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A Theory Of What The Devil's Snake Looked Like In The Garden Of Eden

 
A Nummo

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My gut feeling tells me that Enlil did not give this information to Abraham

"Well your gut is wrong. Go read history and find the truth for yourself.
Really, whether you are able to accept the truth or not won't change what the
truth is. Enoch was talking to God/Enki.
God Enki cannot be made into Satan no matter how you wrap the box. Enlil met with Abraham when he came back to Babylon after his Exile. Abraham wrote the Torha the old testament and gave the world the God YHWH who was Enlil
who made the world believe God Enki was Satan. YHWH created Satan."


I'm not sure what you are saying here? As this is pretty much my point. Information was imparted on both sides. Well YHWH/Enlil is pretending to be the one god at many times I think this is pretty obvious. Sounds to me like you are confused.

The message of Enlil YWHW/El is one god who stresses the polarity in mankind. The message of his half brother Enki and his descendants is one god the concept of the Atman, breath or soul namely that of KI (this is where the KI part of the name comes from). If you don't understand the concept read up on the Upanishads which does a fairly good job of explaining this concept. To me the difference is fairly obvious.
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" This single, unitary divinity had several aspects and names in the Upanishads, one of the most important of which is Atman, a word that originally meant "breath" or "soul" or "vital principle" (as the word "Atmen" does in German). As a cosmological principle or deity, Atman seems to be something like "universal soul" or "universal spirit." In the Brihad-Aranyaka Upanishad , Atman is explicitly called a Person that created the universe by first splitting himself into male and female halves. In the Chandogya Upanishad, this single god is called Brahman, and is "the One without a second"; this Brahman is not only the principle and creator of all there is, but is also fully present within each individual."
[link to www.wsu.edu:8080]
"He knows that he is the Atman (or True Self). His "personality", his mistaken
belief in himself as a separate, unique individual, disappears"
[link to www.evansvilleyoga.com]

If you keep this in mind, you'll know who is who when looking at the bible any other 'religious' texts
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I think my point is clear. Enlil upserpted God and his bloodline by having Abraham create the old testament rewriting history and recreating Enki
as Satan.




I understand that you cannot grasp the big picture of what you are saying.
Enoch is a pre-flood documents he was there. He witnessed first hand what was taking place. He was personaly involved. Enki was his God. Satan did not exist. YHWH did not exist as the Old Testament did not exist. Abraham did not exist.

You expect me to take the word of a post flood document written 1,000's of years after the fact by a man who just sudddenly comes on the scene and says hey I got a God for you his name is YHWH and he is the man. Naw.

Good Luck with that.

Enlil has been slaughtering Enki's pure Eve line generation after generation and does still to this day. But that is ok right. Because YHWH says so.
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52731 I think you are missing the point. I respect your ideas and they are your own. Some texts were lost, some misinterpreted which is unfortunate but the idea in itself is timeless.
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AC 101 Right now as wierd as it sounds I think you are the one closest to the truth here so far..
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Yes, but he could speak!
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52731 I think you are missing the point. I respect your ideas and they are your own. Some texts were lost, some misinterpreted which is unfortunate but the idea in itself is timeless.


No, I am missing nothing, they are recorded history, not my own. Enoch is pre-flood. Fisrt hand witnessed. Nothing after the fact is first hand witnessed, Nothing, only rewritten, or misinterpreted history, 1,000 yrs difference just for a start.
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Hi,

I see where you ar coming from. But I think the snake rather resembled a very large centerpede.
If you read Genesis you will see that the Lord God said,

Genesis 3:14-15. And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all the cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.
And I will put emnity between thee and the woman the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

So defintalely still snake size but with legs. It was interesting about other things said. For in John 13:18.
I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his Heel against me.
psalm 41:9.Yea my own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

John 13:27. And after the sop satan entered into him. Then Jesus said unto him, that thou doest, do quickly.

I believe the serpent could never have been a dragon because even without legs a dragons head would be higher than a mans heel.

Sorry its so long.
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Snakes can not speak, but satan will speak to you if your not careful! Do not play with him! He is supernatural, And he speaks only lies to deceive. He is evil power exemplified

[link to biblestudysite.com]
Dee

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The Bible clearly addresses what the snake looks are all about in Genesis..

Then goes on further by providing supportive evidence in other old and new testament books.

Let the bible interpert the bible.
Use studies with lexicons to get the original meanings or the truth that the source is trying to convey to you.

Remember the Bible stands alone as being Divinely insprired for all ages and all men of reason over a millenia of time.

I would not keep offering this link for your consideration if I didn't think it points to the truth of what really happened in the Garden of Eden between the woman Eve and the snake Satan.

[link to biblestudysite.com]
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snip...

Clear your head of all the smoke screens of satan's false teachings, and let God's Word flow clearly and uncorrupted into your mind. Here's what really happened in the garden of Eden: Eve lost her virginity to 'the serpent,' whom was that 'Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden,' and who is none other than satan himself


Satan is a deceiver and a liar, and he has many names and roles he has played throughout history, but it is always the same entity! And he will come in the role of the antichrist to our generation, but it's the same entity that was in the Garden with Adam and Eve
Fruit does not make one aware.

You must remain cognizant of the most important fact that none of these strange things regarding the serpent and this tree of the knowledge of good and evil are of God's doing. God hasn't intervened yet.


And if this particular serpent and this particular tree seem to exhibit supernatural characteristics, it is because they are supernatural; satan is a supernatural being possessing supernatural powers of deception.

But through the Blood of Jesus Christ we have power to withstand satan, in Adam's and Eve's time this was not so.


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Bible is proven to be a big crock!
Dee

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The Bible is a love letter. The sooner you can figure that out the sooner your hate and distain of it will evaporate.

That sir or madam is only if you are a blood bought participant of the human race,
of course. sheep
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Proud to see that there is another who has studied a bit. Hey Dee 58865 your words are right on the button. Good going! I know who your teacher is, just by the way you phrase your words. I do not need to mention his name, nor do you. But I too have learned a great deal from him. Now because of his teachings I can learn on my own and not have to lean on some church doctrine.
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The Lord is there.
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Hi little star rose

Thank you for your kind words..

Yes, I agree it is encouraging to see others who have taken the time and effort to study and essentially just listen...
The most indispensable ingredient in discernment I think.
The key to living/winning while we're still part of this worlds' system.

Blessings to you.
little star
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Hey Dee got a question for you.
I must say first I get really excited when I find one that is learned. You know Amos 8:11 and what is going on today.
Question: Compound question.
Do you think the events from 911 was the beginning of the 7 years told by Daniel?
Have you studied enough to learn the season of and the months of the two witness's; and if you have; Do you think that they could show up this year?
Many things are fall in place.
That shinning on in the garden of Eden is bringing 7000 bad anels with him this time to really do a number on the world.
Thanks Dee.
Blessings.
Dee

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Little star I believe the events of 911 was a major step in implementing the Anti Christ New World Order.

I do not think it began the 7 year tribulation.

I have not studied enough to know for sure if the two witness could be here yet for sure.

I do personally suspect they are but remain behind the scenes.
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Thanks Dee.
God bless.
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A OLD FRIEND OF MINE WAS A SATAN WORRISHIPER WHO sorry had a wig head stand he called satan back in 1974 i think, anyway he said the head would talk to him. one day he called me out of the blue and said the head told him of me. the next day he blew his brains out. true story
Dee

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3616 I am so sorry to hear that..
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>>I do not think it began the 7 year tribulation.<<

Greetings.

I've been sitting here reading the last page of this thread and thought I'd like to comment.

While it makes for lively discussion, some don't think the tribulation is 7 years long. Some think 3 1/2, others shorter still.

What's my point? It is good to study these things but let us remember to "fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith". That way when things go downhill, we have an anchor.

Thanks

3616:

Sorry, too. I had a friend, Richard, who killed himself because voices told him to join Jimi Hendrix "on the other side." Our adversary is subtle.
Where the eagle glides ascending
There's an ancient river bending
Down the timeless gorge of changes
Where sleeplessness awaits.
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Good morning Sheep. How is the herd?
Ha ha.. blessings to you.
Your right that many say 7 and others 3 1/2, but Christ says in Mark 13 He is control and for the elect sake He is shortening the time of when satan is here by 5 months.
It does not say five months in Mark 13, but in Rev. 9 it does. And I have two witness's in that same chapter that confirms it as Paul taught us how to confirm the bible. (2 Chron. 13:1)
But your very right in your words there Sheep..God bless.
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*edited for simplicity*

THE GARDEN OF EDEN BEFORE THE FALL

[link to www.hermeticgoldendawn.org]

At the top are the three Supernal Sephiroth summarized into one unity--Aima Elohim, the Mother Supernal--clothed with the Sun, the Moon at her feet, and on her head the Crown of Twelve Stars. Then follow the other Sephiroth of the Tree of Life. Below the Tree, proceeding from Malkuth is The Tree of Knowledge of Good and of Evil, which is between the Tree of Life and the World of Assiah, represented by the sleeping seven-headed dragon. The dragon symbolizes the Seven Infernal Palaces which contain the Ten Averse Sephiroth. The river Naher flows forth from the Supernals and in Daath it is separated into four streams: Pison, the river of fire flowing to Geburah. Gihon, the river of water flowing into Chesed. Hiddikel, the river of air flowing into Tiphareth. Phrath (Euphrates), the river of earth flowing into Malkuth. The Rivers form a cross upon which is Adam, extended from Tiphareth. His arms stretch out to Geburah and Gedulah (Chesed), and in Malkuth is Eve, who supports the two Pillars.

THE GARDEN OF EDEN AFTER THE FALL

[link to www.hermeticgoldendawn.org]

This diagram symbolizes the Fall from the Garden of Eden. (See the previous diagram.) The goddess Eve, distracted by the fruit of Knowledge, reached down to them and the two pillars were left unsupported. The Sephirotic Tree was shattered, and Adam and Eve fell. The red dragon, Leviathan, was awakened. It enclosed Malkuth within its folds and rose to the level of Daath at the feet of Aima Elohim. But YHVH Elohim placed a Flaming Sword and the letters of the Tetragrammaton between the devastated Garden and the Supernal Eden, so that the highest spheres would not be involved in the Fall.

The restoration of the Sephirotic Tree (and its corresponding elements in the human psyche) back to its original state, is a primary goal of the Great Work.

GARDEN OF EDEN RESTORED!

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This is the power of that oath; for powerful it is, and strong.
And he established this oath of Akae by the instrumentality of the holy Michael.
These are the secrets of this oath, and by it were they confirmed.

Heaven was suspended by it before the world was made, for ever.

By it has the earth been founded upon the flood; while from the concealed parts of the hills the agitated waters proceed forth from the creation to the end of the world.
By this oath the sea has been formed, and the foundation of it.
During the period of its fury he established the sand against it, which continues unchanged for ever; and by this oath the abyss has been made strong; nor is it removable from its station for ever and ever.
By this oath the sun and moon complete their progress, never swerving from the command given to them for ever and ever.
By this oath the stars complete their progress;

And when their names are called, they return an answer, for ever and ever.

Thus in the heavens take place the blowings of the winds: all of them have breathings, (71) and effect a complete combination of breathings.
There the treasures of thunder are kept, and the splendour of the lightning.
There are kept the treasures of hail and of frost, the treasures of snow, the treasures of rain and of dew.
All these confess and laud before the Lord of spirits.

They glorify with all their power of praise; and he sustains them in all that act of thanksgiving; while they laud, glorify, and exalt the name of the Lord of spirits for ever and ever.

And with them he establishes this oath, by which they and their paths are preserved; nor does their progress perish.

Great was their joy
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Has man really fell so far away from the presence and truth of Gods Spirit.
That they can stray to that which is false and has no grounding in truth in Jesus Christ?

I know we have different views and opinions. But would someone explain where these teachings came from which have been displayed and how long they have been in literary existence?
I am always interested to test what people write both it's foundations and it's writers. I woudl be grateful if someone can let me know where all these theories of Garden of Eden came from. Especially the info on the Torah.
Most Jews and Christians will tell you that the Torah camemainly from the time of Moses.And most of what he wrote was given directly by God.It was aprt of the scriptures kept in the covenant box,I believe.

I also believe Enoch was taken immediately to be with God. That he walked all his days on earth with God and never died but went strtaight to be with him.

If you have the time. Please let me know the source and age of information.
Thankyou.
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>Satan is a deceiver and a liar,<

Probably his best known lie is this:

"Remember the Bible stands alone as being Divinely insprired for all ages and all men of reason over a millenia of time."

Men of reason have brought this world to the edge of ruin.

Only unreason will save it.


KY Jelly from page one.

Even the people who developed the concept of DNA have a hard time accepting that it came by chance from some primeval soup.

Crick was into Pan spermia if I remember correctly. The idea that the primal slime was actually seeded by bacteria designed to initiate life.

That is an idea that mirrors Clark Ashton Smith's story "Ubbo-Sathla", published in 1942.


OP

The serpent is our DNA, this is where wisdom lives.

The Komodo Dragon is a big goanna, it holds no more secrets than the rest of nature.

However we have "the same" DNA. Not physically the same, but we are both expressions of the same code.

Looked at from that perspective it seems the religions of Yahweh/jehova/yhwh are essentially an anti life proposition. Claiming that the transmission of life (via the DNAS serpent) is an essentially evil process.

And the creators of life (ubbo-sathla, yog soggoth and azathoth as expressed by the HPL scifi crew, any number of other things as expressed by other cultures) are essentially evil and use life to hide from the righteousness of yhwh.

My understanding is that jesus came to correct this mistaken interpretation of life, to reaffirm that it is not evil, his act of redemption essentially tore up the myth that life was essentially evil.

That is how he redeemed us, I guess.

What some claim to be supernatural is not supernatural at all.

It is within the bounds of nature, maybe at the extreme end, along with such things as tsunami's mankind and even life itself, but still within nature.

The limits placed arbitrarily on creation by people whose only contact with divinity is regulated by a book essentially written by 17 century establishment elites, based on translations collated by 1200 years of other establishment elites, are the work of the devil or whatever it is.

Nothing that occurs naturally to the benefit of humanity (eg the supernatural manifestation of the dead ancestors, or travelling to the underworld to consult and learn from them) is evil.

Scary yes.

Awe inspiring yes

liable to lead to the "fear" (in the biblical sense, ie awe and respect and an awareness of the power therein) of God

Yes.

but evil?

No.

The devils snake in the Garden probably looked more like Gods Will than anything else.
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I don't see how this could possible be true.

Gods' purpose for us has always been for our ultimate good.

Satan's purpose or desire was to corrupt man.
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the garden snake was surely bipodal.
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God never trusted his words to man alone. The truth and wisdom of the bible is not left to the wisdom of man and his limited understanding.

Psalm 18:30.As for God ,his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried:he is a buckler to all thoe that trust in him.

psalm 30:5. Every word of God is pure: he is a sheild unto them that out their trust in him.

Isaiah 59:21. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed,nor out of the mouths of thy seed's seed,saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever more.


psalm 119:160. The word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgements endureth for ever.

Isaiah 40:8. The grass withereth, and the flower fadeth: but the word of God shall stand for ever.

Matthew 4:4. But he answered and said,
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
Deuteronomy 8:3.

Dueteronomy 18:15,18-19.

Moses taught:-

15.The Lord thy God iwill raise thee up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him shall ye hearken;
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him
19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

John12:48-50.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what O should speak.
50. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


Jesus is the one Moses spoke of and as you see Jesus spoke only that which the Father gave him to say.
We need to remember that the truth of Gospel of Christ is only hidden from the minds of those being lost.
When Jesus said he was the Way, the truth and the life. The word of God confirmed this. Moses, the psalms and the prophets all spoke about Jesus.
So be careful how and what you are misled to believe.
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the garden snake was surely bipodal

baby

Behold, in the vision, clouds invited me and a mist summoned me, and the course of the stars and the lightnings sped and hastened me; the winds in the vision caused me to fly, lifted me upward, and bore me into heaven. 9 I went in until I drew nigh to a wall which is built of crystals and surrounded by tongues of fire: It began to affright me. 10 I went into the tongues of fire and drew nigh to a large house which was built of crystals: The walls of the house were like a tesselated floor (made) of crystals, and its groundwork was of crystal.

octonian mirrorhouse

2 facing mirrors can represent the complex numbers,
with 1 imaginary i
which has 1 algebraic generator i
and 1 dimension
(the 2 mirrors (in cross-section) are parallel and make a 1-dim line).

3 facing mirrors can represent the quaternions,
with 3 imaginaries i,j,k
which have 2 algebraic generators i,j (since k = ij)
and 2 dimensions
(the 3 mirrors (in cross-section) form a 2-dim triangle).

Octonions have 7 imaginaries i,j,k,E,I,J,K
which have 3 algebraic generators i,j,E
The third generator E is distinguished -

Start with a 3-dimensional tetrahedron of 4 facing mirrors.
Let the floor be the distinguished third generator E and
the 3 walls be I,J,K (with a specific assignment)
Then, by reflection through the E floor,
the reflected I J K become i j k
and we now have all 7 imaginary octonions,

To get another, truncate the tetrahedron.
Truncation puts a mirror parallel to the floor, making a mirror roof.

Then, when you look up at the mirror roof,
you see the triangle roof parallel to the floor E.
The triangle roof parallel to the floor E represents the octonion -E,
and reflection in the roof -E gives 7 imaginary octonions
with the multiplication rule in which -E is
the distinguished third generator.

Looking up from the floor, you will also see
3 new triangles having a common side with the triangle roof -E, and
6 new triangles having a common vertex with the triangle roof -E.

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