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Lot of people in this thread that are scared of the truth.
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If that's how you see it and it makes you sleep better at night. That's fine.

On the contrary, I am not scared of the truth... I hunger for it.

I just don't find it in Christianity. Sorry.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21510771


Then you don't understand Christianity. Ignore the religion that's falsely been build up around it, and go to the source (God's words, as spoken by Jesus and recorded by his followers). Read the New Testament, if you can. As an atheist, I couldn't (it didn't make any sense to me and the words all ran together). Since being reborn over 13 years ago, it's all I read (that, and the Old Testament).

If you're really after the truth, don't worry, you'll find it. God's hidden in plain view. But you might have to give up the lies you've been comforting yourself with (mainly pride).

All the best to you.
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You became an Atheist because of the bible, then later became a Christian because all you read was the Old Testament. Explain to me how that even remotely makes sense.
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And maybe you can read... But the bible isn't translated into your language... And what, there are 6000 languages in the world today... Well, you better hope it's translated in your language and that your language translates the definitions and meanings of other languages words well....

If not, you may we be fucked! Shit!
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Actually there are groups of people who do this very thing. It has been translated to all languages.
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Your statement is incorrect. The bible has not been translated in all existing languages. But I won't delve into proving all that... I'm just a person in internet land to you anyway...

But let's say that is the case... Do these people have equal access to the truths in the bible? Assuming, it's so important to cement a persons faith... Do we all have equal access to this great faith cementer or are some just unlucky?

Sucks to be them, right? I mean, hey, it's in my language, but where the fuck do I find one? I'm the middle of the fucking jungle. Oh shit a tiger!!!!
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Ever hear of missionaries?
I'm guess you have not.

The Bible is heard in every nation on the Earth. As was foretold by Jesus Christ in the book itself
“It would never come into their heads to fabricate such colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there must be some other explanation.” -Adolf Hitler 1925
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This is an important NDE account of a baptist minister, Howard Pittman. Some believe, that once saved, always saved, and you can then live your life anyway you wish. From his NDE and speaking with God, Pittman states this is false, and those Christians, who are lukewarm, back-slidden, or living a double-life will be endanger of God's 'ever-lasting wraith'.
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......bu...bu...butt he loves us. What a blackmail! Fear to make you succumb.

Yet this very well meaning god provided you not with the ability as a child to know him and even at the very least allow everyone born on this planet the ability to speak any/all languages in order to be able to read his cherished book. Most are even only able to speak the language of their region of birth.

Anyone hear of the story of the 5 year old girl who lived with cows and could only communicate by mooing? She could only moo cause she was programmed by cows after living with them. Pretty much like how we are programmed to speak russian or english cause we were born or lived in these regions. It goes to show that language is programming and if god's only tool of making humans know him and the knowledge of hell/heaven is that, then perhaps he also wrote a bible for the cows.

Had it not been for the educational system of this world And his supposed adversary we would not even be able to read his cherished book. Now the question is would the devil grant you tools for you to break free or use against him? Or is god the devil playing tricks with humans?
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The testimony is sound, except for the part where he states he knows for sure that he and his friend are going to heaven. No-one knows that for sure; we live in hope that we will go to heaven, but God is the one who makes that decision, not us.

He also states that he is a sinner. If that's true, then he is not born again (filled with God's spirit), as God's spirit will not co-exist with spirits of sin (i.e., demons). Maybe he meant that he still has the potential to sin, as he still has free will (as long as he's in his body) and can choose against God. But if he were a sinner (one who consciously chooses against God), then he could not by definition also be born again.

He seems to be born again, but only God knows for sure.
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So my testimony of not being in hell during an NDE means nothing?
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Was it an NDE or were you officially clinically dead?
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Clinically dead means a MD looks at a clock and makes the call that he's dead at such and such.


Happens on still alive people, all the time. ex: life support.
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From Wikipedia
Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain life.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest. The term is also sometimes used in resuscitation research.

So no, it does not happen on "still alive people". Otherwise they would be DEAD people.

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“It would never come into their heads to fabricate such colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there must be some other explanation.” -Adolf Hitler 1925
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I thought Jesus was omnibenevolent.

Hell doesn't fit into that concept. It instills fear. Even in good-hearted people.

Fear aims to paralyze and control.

I could not possibly connect such vile tactics to Jesus...
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Hell was created by God for the rebellious angels, the Fallen Ones that produced the Nephilim. Some think of them as aliens, by design. Hell was not meant for anyone else.

However, God is perfect love & justice. And heaven is the home of God and His family. Those who rebelled against God and His love got evicted. They had to leave. Hell was made for them to have a place to exist. It is a reflection of what is in their hearts. It is their domain.

The problem is, when people reject God themselves, they are also rebelling against Him & His love. And when they die, their spirit has to have a place to exist in the afterlife. But how can they go to live with God as a member of His family in heaven when they have rejected Him? How can you go to live with someone in whom you deny exists?

Atheists have rejected God and heaven, so they cannot go there when they die. They have chosen to deny their existence. So they must have some other place in which to spend eternity. But there is no other place for those who reject God and heaven. There are no other Gods who will take them in; no other domains which will accept the non-believers. Except one.

The only so-called god who will accept them is Lucifer, the Father of all Lies, the Fallen One. And his domain or lower dimension is known as hell, or hades by many people. He will accept their souls. It's not a picnic, nor is it heaven, but it's the only other option for those who reject God. And whoever finds themselves there will be in good company, because it is filled up with people and entities who've rejected God.

So you see, it's not really God who condemns souls to hell, but rather it's the rejection of God by people who condemn themselves to an eternity away from God and His love. And that, by any measure, is the true meaning of hell.

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lol, some good meat for believers

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Lot of people in this thread that are scared of the truth.
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If that's how you see it and it makes you sleep better at night. That's fine.

On the contrary, I am not scared of the truth... I hunger for it.

I just don't find it in Christianity. Sorry.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21510771


Then you don't understand Christianity. Ignore the religion that's falsely been build up around it, and go to the source (God's words, as spoken by Jesus and recorded by his followers). Read the New Testament, if you can. As an atheist, I couldn't (it didn't make any sense to me and the words all ran together). Since being reborn over 13 years ago, it's all I read (that, and the Old Testament).

If you're really after the truth, don't worry, you'll find it. God's hidden in plain view. But you might have to give up the lies you've been comforting yourself with (mainly pride).

All the best to you.
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You became an Atheist because of the bible, then later became a Christian because all you read was the Old Testament. Explain to me how that even remotely makes sense.
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No, you misunderstand. I was responding to the poster and suggesting that he/she go to the source of Christianity (Jesus' words in the New Testament), if he/she is able to read it. I stated that previously, as an atheist (a former atheist; I am now born again), I could not read it. I did not say I was reborn by reading the Bible. I said I could only read it after I was reborn. However, some people can still read the New Testament, even if they're not reborn. I was not one of those people. I hated that book and could not make heads or tails of it. It was all gibberish to me. Now I love it, that, and the Old Testament.
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Thanks for acknowledging my posts OP. How is it abusive that people call you out on your actions when you tell others to only read the bible and neglect everything else? Please, just answer me instead of cowering behind the delete button. Don't you think it's harmful to tell people stuff like that? To just ignore all other facets of information? By the way, if you really do delete ALL abusive and argumentative posts, well then there are a heck of alotta posts you forgot to delete.
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I thought Jesus was omnibenevolent.

Hell doesn't fit into that concept. It instills fear. Even in good-hearted people.

Fear aims to paralyze and control.

I could not possibly connect such vile tactics to Jesus...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21763382

Hell was created by God for the rebellious angels, the Fallen Ones that produced the Nephilim. Some think of them as aliens, by design. Hell was not meant for anyone else.

However, God is perfect love & justice. And heaven is the home of God and His family. Those who rebelled against God and His love got evicted. They had to leave. Hell was made for them to have a place to exist. It is a reflection of what is in their hearts. It is their domain.

The problem is, when people reject God themselves, they are also rebelling against Him & His love. And when they die, their spirit has to have a place to exist in the afterlife. But how can they go to live with God as a member of His family in heaven when they have rejected Him? How can you go to live with someone in whom you deny exists?

Atheists have rejected God and heaven, so they cannot go there when they die. They have chosen to deny their existence. So they must have some other place in which to spend eternity. But there is no other place for those who reject God and heaven. There are no other Gods who will take them in; no other domains which will accept the non-believers. Except one.

The only so-called god who will accept them is Lucifer, the Father of all Lies, the Fallen One. And his domain or lower dimension is known as hell, or hades by many people. He will accept their souls. It's not a picnic, nor is it heaven, but it's the only other option for those who reject God. And whoever finds themselves there will be in good company, because it is filled up with people and entities who've rejected God.

So you see, it's not really God who condemns souls to hell, but rather it's the rejection of God by people who condemn themselves to an eternity away from God and His love. And that, by any measure, is the true meaning of hell.

Peace
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If you are born again you are already Judged
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Sorry, but that's unscriptural. Paul told the Corinthian church "if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged."
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I thought Jesus was omnibenevolent.

Hell doesn't fit into that concept. It instills fear. Even in good-hearted people.

Fear aims to paralyze and control.

I could not possibly connect such vile tactics to Jesus...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21763382

Hell was created by God for the rebellious angels, the Fallen Ones that produced the Nephilim. Some think of them as aliens, by design. Hell was not meant for anyone else.

However, God is perfect love & justice. And heaven is the home of God and His family. Those who rebelled against God and His love got evicted. They had to leave. Hell was made for them to have a place to exist. It is a reflection of what is in their hearts. It is their domain.

The problem is, when people reject God themselves, they are also rebelling against Him & His love. And when they die, their spirit has to have a place to exist in the afterlife. But how can they go to live with God as a member of His family in heaven when they have rejected Him? How can you go to live with someone in whom you deny exists?

Atheists have rejected God and heaven, so they cannot go there when they die. They have chosen to deny their existence. So they must have some other place in which to spend eternity. But there is no other place for those who reject God and heaven. There are no other Gods who will take them in; no other domains which will accept the non-believers. Except one.

The only so-called god who will accept them is Lucifer, the Father of all Lies, the Fallen One. And his domain or lower dimension is known as hell, or hades by many people. He will accept their souls. It's not a picnic, nor is it heaven, but it's the only other option for those who reject God. And whoever finds themselves there will be in good company, because it is filled up with people and entities who've rejected God.

So you see, it's not really God who condemns souls to hell, but rather it's the rejection of God by people who condemn themselves to an eternity away from God and His love. And that, by any measure, is the true meaning of hell.

Peace
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...and how are you supposed to know about this god and his "good" plans for you other than from a book he didn't even grant you the tools with which to read.

Recently, a 5 year old girl was found living with cows and could only communicate by mooing. I bet she, and many other gazillion people in undeveloped regions of this planet who cant speak any language how much more read a book, knew god existed. And their many generations that have died, even in the developed regions of the world, before the bible ever reached their part are burning in hell, right?

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If there is Hell it´s full with Religious extremists that killed in the name of god or tourtured others for their belives :D

I had to :D
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If you are born again you are already Judged
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Sorry, but that's unscriptural. Paul told the Corinthian church "if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged."
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YIKES! Being born again means that God's spirit is with you to guide you and protect you, it doesn't mean you've got a guaranteed ticket to heaven. People can still sin (they still have free will), even if they're born again. Jesus says: Those who endure to the end will be saved. Paul says: Run the race to win. He doesn't say you've already won just because you're reborn. Please don't believe the devil's lies about how rebirth or baptism in the holy spirit is your ticket to heaven, because it definitely isn't. There is no such ticket. Even Jesus could have ended up in hell for eternity, had he chosen it.

God judges AFTER DEATH, not after spiritual rebirth.
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If there is Hell it´s full with Religious extremists that killed in the name of god or tourtured others for their belives :D

I had to :D
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True followers of Jesus love God and willingly follow his commandments. One of those is "Thou shallt not kill." Therefore, true Christians would never kill another human, and certainly not in God's name. People who do kill in God's name are not Christians, but they may well be 'religious extremists.
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The very bible you people use as yardstick predicted that there would be wars.

In essence people are supposedly predestined to engage in wars long before they were ever born and made a choice. According to the christian doctrine, those that kill end up in hell, right? So these people that engage in these wars are doomed for hell, right?

Yet the same bible says that if you accept jesus you go to heaven.

Ok, explain this then.....

Soldiers and others who engage in wars have to carry out these acts in order to fulfil the bible but yet end up in hell afterwards. This way, the bible is fulfilled but it makes people especially soldiers have no choice in accepting this jesus or not as their roles are predestined. And if they are predestined for hell or heaven of which is no choice of theirs, then everyone on this planet already have their destination predestined as well and whether one ends up in heaven or hell, it will be god's doing or fault.

On the other side of the argument, assuming these soldiers accept jesus. I want to assume that the end result of accepting jesus is not to kill, then the killing and the wars will stop, hence the bible prophecies of war will not come to pass. And the bible will not be true.

But we cant have that, can we? That the bible cant be true!

So of what use is it then when the bible mentions that people should accept jesus when it matters not to some or impossible for them to. Or is the bible just a tool to make mankind submit their freewill to some demonic deity?
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...


If that's how you see it and it makes you sleep better at night. That's fine.

On the contrary, I am not scared of the truth... I hunger for it.

I just don't find it in Christianity. Sorry.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21510771


Then you don't understand Christianity. Ignore the religion that's falsely been build up around it, and go to the source (God's words, as spoken by Jesus and recorded by his followers). Read the New Testament, if you can. As an atheist, I couldn't (it didn't make any sense to me and the words all ran together). Since being reborn over 13 years ago, it's all I read (that, and the Old Testament).

If you're really after the truth, don't worry, you'll find it. God's hidden in plain view. But you might have to give up the lies you've been comforting yourself with (mainly pride).

All the best to you.
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You became an Atheist because of the bible, then later became a Christian because all you read was the Old Testament. Explain to me how that even remotely makes sense.
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No, you misunderstand. I was responding to the poster and suggesting that he/she go to the source of Christianity (Jesus' words in the New Testament), if he/she is able to read it. I stated that previously, as an atheist (a former atheist; I am now born again), I could not read it. I did not say I was reborn by reading the Bible. I said I could only read it after I was reborn. However, some people can still read the New Testament, even if they're not reborn. I was not one of those people. I hated that book and could not make heads or tails of it. It was all gibberish to me. Now I love it, that, and the Old Testament.
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I am glad you found truth in spite of your original hatred fr the New Testament.

Thats the thing though, I totally understand why Atheists cannot stand Christianity. They just look at everything through their own eyes and fail to realize that they cannot account for what they do not know. Ya just don't know what ya don't know. I used to be so arrogant when I was an Atheist and I honestly see myself in many of these hateful posts. I was that person thru the ages of 12-19. My pop is a super atheist and scoffs at the mention of God so the poster that said if your parents arent Christian then you're just subjected to your environment.

Well when exactly do you grow up and realize that you are your own man, and your parents do not decide what you believe. Just because being a good Christian is not the "cool thing in town" in your Country doesn't mean a damn thing. And all of you here sure are not absentees of the Gospel, thats for sure. Whats your excuse?

Jesus loves you no matter what you say or do. Even as he lay there battered and bruised on the cross being spit on HE STILL SAID "father forgive them for they know not what they do!" If that is not LOVE I do not know what is! Do you know a single person who is so humble, forgiving, loving and caring enough to PRAY FOR YOU while you MURDER him??? Jesus Christ is the definition of love.
“It would never come into their heads to fabricate such colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there must be some other explanation.” -Adolf Hitler 1925
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Jesus loves you no matter what you say or do. Even as he lay there battered and bruised on the cross being spit on HE STILL SAID "father forgive them for they know not what they do!" If that is not LOVE I do not know what is! Do you know a single person who is so humble, forgiving, loving and caring enough to PRAY FOR YOU while you MURDER him??? Jesus Christ is the definition of love.
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Exquisite. You're halfway there, guy :)
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The very bible you people use as yardstick predicted that there would be wars.

In essence people are supposedly predestined to engage in wars long before they were ever born and made a choice. According to the christian doctrine, those that kill end up in hell, right? So these people that engage in these wars are doomed for hell, right?

Yet the same bible says that if you accept jesus you go to heaven.

Ok, explain this then.....

Soldiers and others who engage in wars have to carry out these acts in order to fulfil the bible but yet end up in hell afterwards. This way, the bible is fulfilled but it makes people especially soldiers have no choice in accepting this jesus or not as their roles are predestined. And if they are predestined for hell or heaven of which is no choice of theirs, then everyone on this planet already have their destination predestined as well and whether one ends up in heaven or hell, it will be god's doing or fault.

On the other side of the argument, assuming these soldiers accept jesus. I want to assume that the end result of accepting jesus is not to kill, then the killing and the wars will stop, hence the bible prophecies of war will not come to pass. And the bible will not be true.

But we cant have that, can we? That the bible cant be true!

So of what use is it then when the bible mentions that people should accept jesus when it matters not to some or impossible for them to. Or is the bible just a tool to make mankind submit their freewill to some demonic deity?
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We have been disobeying God from the beginning when Eve and Adam ate the apple. We have been living under the rule of Man ever since. That is why there are Wars and that is why Men are dying needless deaths. If we all just listened to Jesus Christ we would be in harmony with each other. What is so evil about treating thy neighbor as thyself.
“It would never come into their heads to fabricate such colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there must be some other explanation.” -Adolf Hitler 1925
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The very bible you people use as yardstick predicted that there would be wars.

In essence people are supposedly predestined to engage in wars long before they were ever born and made a choice. According to the christian doctrine, those that kill end up in hell, right? So these people that engage in these wars are doomed for hell, right?

Yet the same bible says that if you accept jesus you go to heaven.

Ok, explain this then.....

Soldiers and others who engage in wars have to carry out these acts in order to fulfil the bible but yet end up in hell afterwards. This way, the bible is fulfilled but it makes people especially soldiers have no choice in accepting this jesus or not as their roles are predestined. And if they are predestined for hell or heaven of which is no choice of theirs, then everyone on this planet already have their destination predestined as well and whether one ends up in heaven or hell, it will be god's doing or fault.

On the other side of the argument, assuming these soldiers accept jesus. I want to assume that the end result of accepting jesus is not to kill, then the killing and the wars will stop, hence the bible prophecies of war will not come to pass. And the bible will not be true.

But we cant have that, can we? That the bible cant be true!

So of what use is it then when the bible mentions that people should accept jesus when it matters not to some or impossible for them to. Or is the bible just a tool to make mankind submit their freewill to some demonic deity?
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We have been disobeying God from the beginning when Eve and Adam ate the apple. We have been living under the rule of Man ever since. That is why there are Wars and that is why Men are dying needless deaths. If we all just listened to Jesus Christ we would be in harmony with each other. What is so evil about treating thy neighbor as thyself.
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You didnt address my points and I am not talking about any fruit anyone must have eaten.

But I will agree with you still that the reason for wars is because they ate a mango.

So you are saying in essence that some people will end up in hell, right? I mean for engaging in these wars? So no redemption for them even by accepting jesus? Or there is and as many that want it?

I am saying that if everyone accepted your jesus, there wont be wars no more.

But if they did and there are no more wars, then the bible wont be true.

And if it is just a 50-50 thing where some accept and others dont. So that the bible prophecies of wars is true and the message of salvation is equally true, then it means everyone is already predestined as to where they end up and if they end up in hell, it wont be their fault but god's.

Am I making sense?

This means that at the end of it all, your message of salvation is pointless. And could in fact be deemed as blackmail.

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I thought Jesus was omnibenevolent.

Hell doesn't fit into that concept. It instills fear. Even in good-hearted people.

Fear aims to paralyze and control.

I could not possibly connect such vile tactics to Jesus...
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Hell was created by God for the rebellious angels, the Fallen Ones that produced the Nephilim. Some think of them as aliens, by design. Hell was not meant for anyone else.

However, God is perfect love & justice. And heaven is the home of God and His family. Those who rebelled against God and His love got evicted. They had to leave. Hell was made for them to have a place to exist. It is a reflection of what is in their hearts. It is their domain.

The problem is, when people reject God themselves, they are also rebelling against Him & His love. And when they die, their spirit has to have a place to exist in the afterlife. But how can they go to live with God as a member of His family in heaven when they have rejected Him? How can you go to live with someone in whom you deny exists?

Atheists have rejected God and heaven, so they cannot go there when they die. They have chosen to deny their existence. So they must have some other place in which to spend eternity. But there is no other place for those who reject God and heaven. There are no other Gods who will take them in; no other domains which will accept the non-believers. Except one.

The only so-called god who will accept them is Lucifer, the Father of all Lies, the Fallen One. And his domain or lower dimension is known as hell, or hades by many people. He will accept their souls. It's not a picnic, nor is it heaven, but it's the only other option for those who reject God. And whoever finds themselves there will be in good company, because it is filled up with people and entities who've rejected God.

So you see, it's not really God who condemns souls to hell, but rather it's the rejection of God by people who condemn themselves to an eternity away from God and His love. And that, by any measure, is the true meaning of hell.

Peace
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...and how are you supposed to know about this god and his "good" plans for you other than from a book he didn't even grant you the tools with which to read.

Recently, a 5 year old girl was found living with cows and could only communicate by mooing. I bet she, and many other gazillion people in undeveloped regions of this planet who cant speak any language how much more read a book, knew god existed. And their many generations that have died, even in the developed regions of the world, before the bible ever reached their part are burning in hell, right?
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I think that our conscious (that which gives us a guilty feeling when we do something which we just know is wrong) contains a basic instinctual awareness of the Creator. When we look around us in nature, we see the work of the Creator God everywhere. I think primitive people who've never heard the Word of God can perceive this. I don't know exactly how God might interact with these people, but I trust that God has a plan for all of us.

Just as I believe that small children, who are too young to know the difference between right & wrong, go to heaven if they die before the age of responsibility. I also feel that God has a plan for those who've never been exposed to the Word of God.

I'll let God be the judge of their hearts, while I do as Yeshua/Jesus asked of us, and tell people I meet about what Yeshua taught to mankind while He was here as a teacher. We can teach as we were taught from the bible, His biography, and God can take care of the rest. He is after all the one in control.

But people who have heard or read the Word of God, and have then rejected it, will be held responsible for their rejection, so much more than those who have never heard about God before.

Peace
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And if it is just a 50-50 thing where some accept and others dont.
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Surely that's an acceptable success rate for any "almighty" deity, yes?

;)
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But people who have heard or read the Word of God, and have then rejected it, will be held responsible for their rejection, so much more than those who have never heard about God before.
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Romans says that there are people whom God deliberately holds in unbelief, so that when the time of reckoning comes, e can have mercy on them. He has a grip - this isn't just a great big roll of the dice.
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If you are born again you are already Judged
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Sorry, but that's unscriptural. Paul told the Corinthian church "if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged."
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Meaning, if we take responsibility for our actions and live fully under the love and faith of Jesus Christ, we will not be judged for entry into heaven or hell.

Some things to keep in mind:

Revelations chapter 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelations chapter 20:11
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


So basically it does come up for review.
The Book of Life = Believers whose sins are already forgiven.
The other book = Unbelievers whose sins are weighed against their works.

Of course you have to remember:
“It would never come into their heads to fabricate such colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there must be some other explanation.” -Adolf Hitler 1925
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And if it is just a 50-50 thing where some accept and others dont.
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Surely that's an acceptable success rate for any "almighty" deity, yes?

;)
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Free will. If people want to be devoid of God, that is their choice.
“It would never come into their heads to fabricate such colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there must be some other explanation.” -Adolf Hitler 1925
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There's no book in the bible called "Revelations".
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And if it is just a 50-50 thing where some accept and others dont.
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Surely that's an acceptable success rate for any "almighty" deity, yes?

;)
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Free will. If people want to be devoid of God, that is their choice.
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And of course, He's famous for allowing defective specks to dictate His relationship with them ;)
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I thought Jesus was omnibenevolent.

Hell doesn't fit into that concept. It instills fear. Even in good-hearted people.

Fear aims to paralyze and control.

I could not possibly connect such vile tactics to Jesus...
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Hell was created by God for the rebellious angels, the Fallen Ones that produced the Nephilim. Some think of them as aliens, by design. Hell was not meant for anyone else.

However, God is perfect love & justice. And heaven is the home of God and His family. Those who rebelled against God and His love got evicted. They had to leave. Hell was made for them to have a place to exist. It is a reflection of what is in their hearts. It is their domain.

The problem is, when people reject God themselves, they are also rebelling against Him & His love. And when they die, their spirit has to have a place to exist in the afterlife. But how can they go to live with God as a member of His family in heaven when they have rejected Him? How can you go to live with someone in whom you deny exists?

Atheists have rejected God and heaven, so they cannot go there when they die. They have chosen to deny their existence. So they must have some other place in which to spend eternity. But there is no other place for those who reject God and heaven. There are no other Gods who will take them in; no other domains which will accept the non-believers. Except one.

The only so-called god who will accept them is Lucifer, the Father of all Lies, the Fallen One. And his domain or lower dimension is known as hell, or hades by many people. He will accept their souls. It's not a picnic, nor is it heaven, but it's the only other option for those who reject God. And whoever finds themselves there will be in good company, because it is filled up with people and entities who've rejected God.

So you see, it's not really God who condemns souls to hell, but rather it's the rejection of God by people who condemn themselves to an eternity away from God and His love. And that, by any measure, is the true meaning of hell.

Peace
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...and how are you supposed to know about this god and his "good" plans for you other than from a book he didn't even grant you the tools with which to read.

Recently, a 5 year old girl was found living with cows and could only communicate by mooing. I bet she, and many other gazillion people in undeveloped regions of this planet who cant speak any language how much more read a book, knew god existed. And their many generations that have died, even in the developed regions of the world, before the bible ever reached their part are burning in hell, right?
 Quoting: Ohwell

I think that our conscious (that which gives us a guilty feeling when we do something which we just know is wrong) contains a basic instinctual awareness of the Creator. When we look around us in nature, we see the work of the Creator God everywhere. I think primitive people who've never heard the Word of God can perceive this. I don't know exactly how God might interact with these people, but I trust that God has a plan for all of us.

Just as I believe that small children, who are too young to know the difference between right & wrong, go to heaven if they die before the age of responsibility. I also feel that God has a plan for those who've never been exposed to the Word of God.

I'll let God be the judge of their hearts, while I do as Yeshua/Jesus asked of us, and tell people I meet about what Yeshua taught to mankind while He was here as a teacher. We can teach as we were taught from the bible, His biography, and God can take care of the rest. He is after all the one in control.

But people who have heard or read the Word of God, and have then rejected it, will be held responsible for their rejection, so much more than those who have never heard about God before.

Peace
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Let me say this again. There are tonnes of people all over this planet who cant speak any language. Your perspective about life also appears to revolve around the indoctrination we all have received and the outlook of the bible. I however think there is more to our existence than what the bible tells us.

None of us had a choice of where we were born on this planet. If you were born in the middle east you would be indoctrinated into the islamic culture and allah will appear as the only god to you and the message of jesus' salvation in his name will be something you wont want to hear. Now that you have been indoctrinated into the Christian way of life, does this make muslims wrong and christians right or vice versa. Because you have as much reason to adopt and accept the islamic religion just as much as you have adopted the christian religion.

And in case you want to argue that you know which is better between both religions, the very tools you use to come to that conclusion (language, that is) is not even yours. It is part of the indoctrination you receive....we all received. None of us was born with the ability or intuition to know and understand/speak any/all languages. We are simply able to speak Russian or Chinese cause we were born in those regions and just like the 5 year old girl recently found living with cows who could only communicate by mooing, we might as well be mooing if mooing is the language of the region we were raised. Would you be right if you think in mooing language?
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If god is all-knowing, meaning, he knows *everything* including past, present, and future, then he already knows who will sin and who will not.

He already forsees manmade disasters and wars and the people that perpetrate those diasters and wars.

He already knows about major catastrophic events that are yet to unfold and those people who had a hand in the building up of those events.

To the point, if he already knows all of this, then he should know even before these perpetrators of extreme cruelty are born, that they will do such things.

Now.... That would imply that he knowingly creates people to commit horrible things and will knowingly send people to hell.

It is therefore predetermined by God that many, many people will be sent to Hell by his will, since, he in all-knowing after all.

That means God must be a sadistic entity, creating people just so he can send them to hell.

Can someone explain this to me?
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The very bible you people use as yardstick predicted that there would be wars.

In essence people are supposedly predestined to engage in wars long before they were ever born and made a choice. According to the christian doctrine, those that kill end up in hell, right? So these people that engage in these wars are doomed for hell, right?

Yet the same bible says that if you accept jesus you go to heaven.

Ok, explain this then.....

Soldiers and others who engage in wars have to carry out these acts in order to fulfil the bible but yet end up in hell afterwards. This way, the bible is fulfilled but it makes people especially soldiers have no choice in accepting this jesus or not as their roles are predestined. And if they are predestined for hell or heaven of which is no choice of theirs, then everyone on this planet already have their destination predestined as well and whether one ends up in heaven or hell, it will be god's doing or fault.

On the other side of the argument, assuming these soldiers accept jesus. I want to assume that the end result of accepting jesus is not to kill, then the killing and the wars will stop, hence the bible prophecies of war will not come to pass. And the bible will not be true.

But we cant have that, can we? That the bible cant be true!

So of what use is it then when the bible mentions that people should accept jesus when it matters not to some or impossible for them to. Or is the bible just a tool to make mankind submit their freewill to some demonic deity?
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No, the world's system is what's trying to make people submit their will to a demonic deity. God, through the Bible, his prophets and our hearts, is offering us an invitation to become part of his kingdom on Earth (through spiritual rebirth and discipleship in Jesus) and then to join him in his heavenly kingdom after our physical death, if we continue as Jesus' disciples until the end of our time on Earth. But heaven is only open to those who choose God's way of love, truth, justice and mercy, as exemplified in how Jesus lived his life on Earth. Killing has no place in heaven. Pride has no place in heaven. Lies have no place in heaven. God never predestined anyone for hell (that is a complete misrepresentation of God and scripture). We create our own hell by our choices on Earth. God permits us to choose hell, through our free will. If he didn't give us free will, we would have railed against him about that, too.

God doesn't want automatons. He wants people to willingly and freely choose him because they prefer truth to lies, justice to injustice, mercy to vengeance, and death with God rather than life without him. His reward for those who make this choice is so unbelievably amazing that no words can ever describe it, not even close. Jesus says that those who go to heaven will become like holy angels. If you know anything about holy angels (beautiful, powerful, great voices, etc.), then you'll begin to get an understanding of God's reward for those who choose truth, justice, and mercy over the lies, injustice and vengeance.

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