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BREAKING: USS Porter collides with Japanese-owned tanker near Strait of Hormuz!

 
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i guess the tanker did not see all the warnings and or hear the warning shots fired and hit the poor US ship....like we were told about the Indian fishing boat ...where the US killed and wounded unarmed fishermen from UAE and India...last i heard the UAE was investigating that event as a murder...then it fell into the media black hole....there was a possibility of international charges brought against the sailors involved.
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You are looking at this with the wrong perspective The tanker has a set trajectory guided by GPS is always set the same way and is mandatory that they follow that trajectory thru the channel, the tanker did not need to do anything those things are slow and can hardly turn. It was the destroyer that needed to take evasive maneuvers, they drill for this all the time.
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Dead ahead, through the pitch-black night, the captain sees a light on a collision course with his ship.
He sends a signal: "Change your course ten degrees east."
"Change yours ten degrees west," comes the reply.
The captain responds, "I'm a United States Navy captain! Change your course, sir!"
"I'm a seaman second class," the next message reads. "Change your course, sir."
The captain is furious. "I'm a battleship! I'm not changing course!"
"I'm a lighthouse. Your call."

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Re: BREAKING: USS Porter collides with Japanese-owned tanker near Strait of Hormuz!
I was researching a bit the company owning that tanker to see if i can come up with something. Only thing i could find a bit suspect was that last month they announced the upgrade of their network in China. Probably doesn't mean much since the tanker wasn't damaged, could this be some kind of warning though? I'll see if i can find something else about it.


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Also the same company (MOL) claims that one of their ships was attacked in the Straits 2 years ago. Could we be on to something here?
hmm

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On August 12, 2000 a Russian submarine,
the Kursk, sank under mysterious circumstances
and all 118 men on board were killed.

Russia was conducing a navy exercise.

The US and UK were spying on them [as usual.]

There was an explosion and the Kursk sank,

Shortly afterwards, one of the US ships that
was spying, the USS Memphis limped into a NATO
[Norway] harbor for repairs.

Many believed the USS Memphis was involved in
the Kursk's demise, but US officials refused
to let Russian officials inspect the USS Memphis.



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With all the advanced radar and sonar technologies, not to mention the proximity sensors...how in God's name does a destroyer collide with a tanker ?

This is the 21 century guys, there are a shitload of electronics and all sorts of measures to prevent this kind of thing from occurring...either the crew on the bridge was asleep or drunk or something is very fishy here !
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I'll go with the fishy part! Not an accident, a decoy!bump
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Re: BREAKING: USS Porter collides with Japanese-owned tanker near Strait of Hormuz!
looks like, from the damage on the destroyer, that they were trying to cut them off, and the tanker called the bluff since they were probably 4 times the size of it.


there's more to it than we're being told, from my best guess, the Japanese tanker was full of Iranian crude, the US ship knew it, Japan isn't honoring the embargo (or Korea for that matter), and it was a push comes to shove.



my best guess, but, since Japan is a supposed "ally", they won't tell the real story..
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True! Wouldn't make sense for the warship to make the turn though? WTF happened there.
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:blumerl: I'm taking a guess here so don't anyone get mad at me if I'm wrong. The tankers Japanese, the Japanese have been how shall we say "a bit reluctant to go along with the US lead oil embargo."

I'd not be all that surprised if it was carrying Iranian crude and the USA was sending a message.

Also historically the Japanese owe the US a pay back for the oil, scrap iron and other embargo's that they placed on Japan prior to WWII.
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Nice theory but there's ONLY ONE BIG problem with that...the US Ship has sophisticated radars and sensors and thinking the Japanese would use a slow-moving oil tanker to strike a US ship is absurd to say the least as the US ship would normally seen this coming from miles away so now this shows just how much the US ship sailors are asleep at the wheel as there's almost ZERO chance that all systems failed all at once rendering the US ship be T-Boned by a slow-moving oil tanker.


sailors weren't doing their jobs and now it makes the Navy look sloppy and not very alert...IMO
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Re: BREAKING: USS Porter collides with Japanese-owned tanker near Strait of Hormuz!
I know Al is a freakin disinfo shill and i hate his guts, but two years ago he called the attack on the company a false flag.



MOL's general manager of tanker safety, says it could have even been hit by a submarine. Can't embed his video for some reason.

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i would be totally gutted if i was in the US navy. That is one badass ship and now its out of action for a very long time.
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Losing a missile destroyer hurts, but at least it wasnt a carrier...
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

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So case closed for me, TPTB have issues with this company and this was no accident.
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Same company tanker was attacked by pirates off the coast of Oman in March 2011.

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I know Al is a freakin disinfo shill and i hate his guts, but two years ago he called the attack on the company a false flag.



MOL's general manager of tanker safety, says it could have even been hit by a submarine. Can't embed his video for some reason.

[link to www.youtube.com]


[link to business-deals.biz]
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this from David Wilcock latest update-
"I found out that two more massive false-flag attempts have been thwarted by Divine Intervention -- at least so far. Either one of these would have been provocative enough to immediately start World War III.

At this time there is still an old, mothballed destroyer in the Persian Gulf that is wired up with charges set to go off -- and be blamed on Iran. However, the charges will not go off and the effort has been a failure.

There have been many frantic attempts to set up false-flag events like this, and none of them have been working -- since August of last year, if not earlier."

while its not a mothballed destroyer, it would fall under 'expendable' USS Cole 2.0. maybe someone threw a wrench in the plan.
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putin

The Arleigh Burke class destroyers were commission on 1991 Prior to that we had Spruance class destroyers

Mothballing or parking a ship when is no longer needed is only done in California and Virginia. NOT in the middle east. Unlike the ships of WWII that were parked and left to rot all the Spruance destroyers are accounted for decommission and recycled. I looked at the pictures of the damage and that is a Current Modern Arleigh Burke destroyer that was damaged I call you and this Cocksucker nothing but a bullshit artist
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Hey R2B BOB, how long do you think it will take to repair the damage to that destroyer ?

Can it be done in a port in Saudi Arabia or does it have to come back to the US ?
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Financial war also against MOL.

Moody's downgrades Mitsui O.S.K. Lines to Baa1; outlook negative

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This is so stupid! Sensors...? Anyone can see a tanker or Navy ship coming at them! Unbelievable! There is no excuse. They should put rubber bumpers on them like bumper cars so they bounce off each other until they get staightened out or something or be magnetically repelled.
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Yeah, even my civvy Raymarine Navionics would be going ballistic spitting out collision alarms, ID'ing vessel, plotting courses/speeds/distance... mil navigation systems? It just can't happen.
The skipper not knowing 'hard to port' or 'hard to starboard', that's another story.
I wont comment or speculate the reasons behind it I'm just simply saying that Accidents like this just don't happen period.

Ships have a transponder that identifies it on a GPS tracker while passing the straits the transponders of both ships will be on and all the ships in the area can track each others movement. They are set marine procedures that dictate speed and trajectory and pretty much the ships have a set track as to how they navigate thru the channel. Think of a an airplane departing or landing at a major airport.

On top of that GPS tracker then you have multiple radars and you have observers on deck. That would have seeing each others lights (this happened at 1am) At a certain distance all kinds of alarms and warnings would of gone off and a an alarm would of gone off to warn the sailors prior to the impact to brace.

Here is a video of an Arleigh Burke Destroyer, exactly the same ship showing how hard they can turn.




Following the collision a general quarters alarm would sound and fire teams would of suit it up into their fire fighting equipment.

Than a damage report would of being called out where each part of the ship calls in to give a damage report




They drill this all the fuking time night and day asleep or not whenever the captain or xo feel like pulling out of their ass.





 Quoting: Ready2bugout AKA R2B BOB

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Japan after the 2010 attack set up her first foreign military base in Djibouti to protect her maritime interests in the region.

[link to www.digitaljournal.com]


Chairman of MOL visited there.

Chairman Ashida Visits Djibouti as Head of JSA Anti-piracy Delegation
[link to www.mol.co.jp]


Thnx for the false flag, it's been a while.
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Re: BREAKING: USS Porter collides with Japanese-owned tanker near Strait of Hormuz!
Hey R2B BOB, how long do you think it will take to repair the damage to that destroyer ?

Can it be done in a port in Saudi Arabia or does it have to come back to the US ?
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Good question, honestly I don't know because it all depends on the type of damage that it sustain I was looking at one of the pictures and it shows a bundle of burn out cables that seem to have caught on fire.

Just like a trauma surgeon they are going to have to peel back a lot of that stuff to make sure there was nothing else damaged. To give you a better idea the pacific fleet in japan can do a trim and a shave and do a major clean up, inspection and maintenance that is done about every 10 years in dry dock in 8 months. By looking at the rusty paint this ship looks like it was schedule to go into dry dock anyways so they are not just going to repair that part but they will go ahead and do the whole thing.

If you are interested in finding out more read this interview with the captain of the USS Cole which is again the same destroyer as the Porter.

I know some of you are going to say the Cole was a false flag but that's not what I'm talking about here I'm just showing this in regards to the damage question.

[link to www.q-and-a.org]

LAMB: So, after the explosion when you lost 17 of your crew and 37 wounded, how long did it take to get Cole back in active duty?

LIPPOLD: It took a period of about 15 months. From the time USS Cole was brought back on that heavy lift ship Blue Marlin and arrived in mid December until she sailed away from the yard at the Huntington Ingalls shipyard in Pascagoula, Mississippi in April of 2002. It was about a 15-month rebuild period.

LAMB: What it cost us?

LIPPOLD: $250 million.
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i would be totally gutted if i was in the US navy. That is one badass ship and now its out of action for a very long time.
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lol It is an Arleigh Burke class destroyer we have 70 of these nothing to worry about limey!!!. Unlike the queen's fleet we have plenty of ships to go around.
 Quoting: Ready2bugout AKA R2B BOB


...maybe you meant "to go aground".

Dude, it´s lame indeed.
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Good question, honestly I don't know because it all depends on the type of damage that it sustain I was looking at one of the pictures and it shows a bundle of burn out cables that seem to have caught on fire.

Just like a trauma surgeon they are going to have to peel back a lot of that stuff to make sure there was nothing else damaged. To give you a better idea the pacific fleet in japan can do a trim and a shave and do a major clean up, inspection and maintenance that is done about every 10 years in dry dock in 8 months. By looking at the rusty paint this ship looks like it was schedule to go into dry dock anyways so they are not just going to repair that part but they will go ahead and do the whole thing.

If you are interested in finding out more read this interview with the captain of the USS Cole which is again the same destroyer as the Porter.

I know some of you are going to say the Cole was a false flag but that's not what I'm talking about here I'm just showing this in regards to the damage question.

[link to www.q-and-a.org]

LAMB: So, after the explosion when you lost 17 of your crew and 37 wounded, how long did it take to get Cole back in active duty?

LIPPOLD: It took a period of about 15 months. From the time USS Cole was brought back on that heavy lift ship Blue Marlin and arrived in mid December until she sailed away from the yard at the Huntington Ingalls shipyard in Pascagoula, Mississippi in April of 2002. It was about a 15-month rebuild period.

LAMB: What it cost us?

LIPPOLD: $250 million.
 Quoting: Ready2bugout AKA R2B BOB


Thanks for the detailed answer !

So I guess it all depends on how extensive the damage is but anyway you put it, the USS Porter is out of commission for a while and is very likely to not participate in the coming war with Iran ! :(
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How dumb do you have to be to crash two huge ships.SMH
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Good question, honestly I don't know because it all depends on the type of damage that it sustain I was looking at one of the pictures and it shows a bundle of burn out cables that seem to have caught on fire.

Just like a trauma surgeon they are going to have to peel back a lot of that stuff to make sure there was nothing else damaged. To give you a better idea the pacific fleet in japan can do a trim and a shave and do a major clean up, inspection and maintenance that is done about every 10 years in dry dock in 8 months. By looking at the rusty paint this ship looks like it was schedule to go into dry dock anyways so they are not just going to repair that part but they will go ahead and do the whole thing.

If you are interested in finding out more read this interview with the captain of the USS Cole which is again the same destroyer as the Porter.

I know some of you are going to say the Cole was a false flag but that's not what I'm talking about here I'm just showing this in regards to the damage question.

[link to www.q-and-a.org]

LAMB: So, after the explosion when you lost 17 of your crew and 37 wounded, how long did it take to get Cole back in active duty?

LIPPOLD: It took a period of about 15 months. From the time USS Cole was brought back on that heavy lift ship Blue Marlin and arrived in mid December until she sailed away from the yard at the Huntington Ingalls shipyard in Pascagoula, Mississippi in April of 2002. It was about a 15-month rebuild period.

LAMB: What it cost us?

LIPPOLD: $250 million.
 Quoting: Ready2bugout AKA R2B BOB


Thanks for the detailed answer !

So I guess it all depends on how extensive the damage is but anyway you put it, the USS Porter is out of commission for a while and is very likely to not participate in the coming war with Iran ! :(
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The USS Cole Damage was a lot more than this and not only that it took in water which makes things worst. The porter did not take water or have a massive fire and heat so is not as bad but at least this will give you an Idea.

I just checked my Navy sources and sure thing the Porter has not being to dry dock. I'm certain that it will be fixed and have a major clean up/refit and maintenance. When the Navy dry docks a ship the sailors that don't do any actual ship related work get put on the base in the meantime. The USN is not going to fix the ship than later on bring it back to do this major refit, it would not make sense because whenever the ship is out of commission the whole ship needs to go to sea trial and re qualify on everything since the sailors are out of practice and can get rusty too.


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I say again that I'm glad no one was hurt, I know a lot of you hate the military and it is very sad what happened to the Vietnam vets by how they were treated when getting back after the war.

These military man and women are hard working and for the most part go into the armed forces seeking a better life, discipline, a career path and way to travel around the world.

In honor of this I would like to post this video while outdated it shows life on board a U.S.N. destroyer.

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Mighta collided with a shoulder launched sam.
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How does a warship collide with an oil tanker in this day and age? The same way a giant cruise ship can hit an island. All the navigational aids and devices in the world don't amount to shit if you're stupid. Or doing something other than what you're supposed to be doing.
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this from David Wilcock latest update-
"I found out that two more massive false-flag attempts have been thwarted by Divine Intervention -- at least so far. Either one of these would have been provocative enough to immediately start World War III.

At this time there is still an old, mothballed destroyer in the Persian Gulf that is wired up with charges set to go off -- and be blamed on Iran. However, the charges will not go off and the effort has been a failure.

There have been many frantic attempts to set up false-flag events like this, and none of them have been working -- since August of last year, if not earlier."

while its not a mothballed destroyer, it would fall under 'expendable' USS Cole 2.0. maybe someone threw a wrench in the plan.
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putin

The Arleigh Burke class destroyers were commission on 1991 Prior to that we had Spruance class destroyers

Mothballing or parking a ship when is no longer needed is only done in California and Virginia. NOT in the middle east. Unlike the ships of WWII that were parked and left to rot all the Spruance destroyers are accounted for decommission and recycled. I looked at the pictures of the damage and that is a Current Modern Arleigh Burke destroyer that was damaged I call you and this Cocksucker nothing but a bullshit artist
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 Quoting: Ready2bugout AKA R2B BOB


didn't i SAY it wasn't mothballed? DW used that word, not me. what I said was EXPENDABLE. touchy touchy. strike a nerve squid? i'm just throwin it out there in discussion. calling me a bullshit artist? out of line.
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Mighta collided with a shoulder launched sam.
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bsflag That is not battle damage
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How does a warship collide with an oil tanker in this day and age? The same way a giant cruise ship can hit an island. All the navigational aids and devices in the world don't amount to shit if you're stupid. Or doing something other than what you're supposed to be doing.
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Let me add to that these sailors work such long hours and are so sleep deprive sometimes that at 1 AM that could of being a factor.
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Mighta collided with a shoulder launched sam.
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bsflag That is not battle damage
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