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HUGE Louisiana sinkhole! PART 2

 
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Here is an article I found when researching during the BP/Gulf oil spill. At that time there was a small earthquake in Louisiana - north of New Orleans, which caught my attention. I think this article is very fitting for what is happening there now. Explains the geology of the area (salt domes and more) and how the area is connected to the New Madrid fault and others.

[link to www.aapg.org]
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nice find!

hf
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from that:
"Next Scientific Group meeting is tentatively
scheduled scheduled for 8/23/2012 @ 9:30 AM LaSalle for 8/23/2012 @ 9:30 AM LaSalle
Building"

why are they waiting TEN DAYS before the next meeting????
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So what happened to that spin about them meeting every day and keeping people informed? The people who live there must be so furious.
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the feds moved in
watch for the news blackout
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You're probably right. That, or lies that aren't even well thought out.
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State approves permit for sinkhole relief well
Posted: Aug 13, 2012 12:32 PM by AP

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - The state Department of Natural Resources says is has approved a drilling permit for a relief well near a massive sinkhole in Assumption Parish.

DNR Secretary Stephen Chustz says Houston-based Texas Brine Co. will drill into a brine cavern the company owns in the Napoleonville salt dome.

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Louisiana Sinkhole Expected To Keep Residents Away At Least A Month
Posted on: 10:46 am, August 13, 2012, by Staff Writer

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Here is an article I found when researching during the BP/Gulf oil spill. At that time there was a small earthquake in Louisiana - north of New Orleans, which caught my attention. I think this article is very fitting for what is happening there now. Explains the geology of the area (salt domes and more) and how the area is connected to the New Madrid fault and others.

[link to www.aapg.org]
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Nice read. From the article:

One piece of this evidence, according to Reed, is the apparent connection of the New Madrid seismic zone with the Gulf rift features to the south.

"This northeast trending earthquake zone appears to connect with the northeast trending Monroe Uplift, the LaSalle Arch and, possibly, to an active seismic zone located in and around Sabine Lake on the Texas-Louisiana border," he said.

This complex of doming and seismic centers is similar to another Cretaceous age triple juncture located in the northeastern Gulf of Mexico Basin. Doming of the DeSoto Canyon High during the Jurassic to Cretaceous created this triple juncture, which includes the Cretaceous Shelf Edge, the Suwannee Strait and the West Florida Escarpment.

If the New Madrid seismic zone is indeed part of a triple juncture, he continued, there should be an expression of this limb trending along a line in a northeast direction.

So Reed conducted a study using data from the U.S. Geological Survey's National Earthquake Information Center and the USGS map "Earthquakes in the Conterminous United States." He only studied earthquakes measuring at least magnitude 5, and found that while most of the earthquake centers are random with no alignment, there is a well-defined earthquake trend extending northeastward from the New Madrid seismic zone across the United States to Canada, where it joins with the St. Lawrence River seismic zone.

Within the boundaries of this earthquake alignment there are:

Sixty-one seismic points that have a magnitude of 5 and greater.
Several large earthquakes dating to the early 1800s, all measuring over magnitude 8, all occurring within a couple of months of each other, all centered in a northeast trending line.
The two 5+ earthquakes that occurred earlier this year in northern New York state and southern Indiana.

"There is definitely some form of movement occurring along this trend," Reed said, "and it appears to be active today."

As he continued that trend south of New Madrid he found that it was in line with the Monroe Uplift.

"Suddenly I could see that this area had doming much like I had seen at the Desoto Canyon in the Gulf," he said. "This entire zone through the United States is suffering some type of tectonic activity that I believe is tied to the deeply buried tectonics in the Gulf of Mexico."
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If they have a nuke bomb site that was tested i a salt flat underneath much of the region, then during each rain fall the salt will erode away and cause all the land above the salt flats to collapse down upon where the salt used to be, until they opened up a hole and caused water to reach the salt! Morons if you ask me...ahhhscaredeqalonesiren2
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This might also contribute to the "coastal erosion" problem that has been here.
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good point
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Here is an article I found when researching during the BP/Gulf oil spill. At that time there was a small earthquake in Louisiana - north of New Orleans, which caught my attention. I think this article is very fitting for what is happening there now. Explains the geology of the area (salt domes and more) and how the area is connected to the New Madrid fault and others.

[link to www.aapg.org]
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nice find, Thanks!

hf
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Here is latest update! Please be reminded that this summary will be updated every 72 hours and posted at [link to assumptionla.com]

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Here is an article I found when researching during the BP/Gulf oil spill. At that time there was a small earthquake in Louisiana - north of New Orleans, which caught my attention. I think this article is very fitting for what is happening there now. Explains the geology of the area (salt domes and more) and how the area is connected to the New Madrid fault and others.

[link to www.aapg.org]
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nice find, Thanks!

hf
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Yes, there was a 4.0 quake during that time around the Hammond area. I felt the tremor. That is not normal for Louisiana.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
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Boudreaux said the pipeline bent 16 feet downward and 15 feet to the east toward the slurry-filled sinkhole that developed overnight Thursday in the swamps near Bayou Corne.

He said the pipeline was not leaking, but presented an explosion risk if it would rupture.

Boudreaux said the compromised section of pipeline stretches for about 400 feet about a half-mile south of La. 70.

Boudreaux also said authorities believe the pipeline was damaged in connection with the formation of the sinkhole.
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They're talking about a 36 inch pipeline. What kind of force would be required to bend a 36 inch pipeline 16 ft. downward?
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Re: HUGE Louisiana sinkhole! PART 2
Here is an article I found when researching during the BP/Gulf oil spill. At that time there was a small earthquake in Louisiana - north of New Orleans, which caught my attention. I think this article is very fitting for what is happening there now. Explains the geology of the area (salt domes and more) and how the area is connected to the New Madrid fault and others.

[link to www.aapg.org]
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nice find, Thanks!

hf
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Yes, there was a 4.0 quake during that time around the Hammond area. I felt the tremor. That is not normal for Louisiana.
 Quoting: Earth Cries


Thank you for reminding me of the area. I was trying to jog my memory for that one. Yes, most people thought I was crazy to post about the quake back then but I had a hard time arguing that a quake in that area was very abnormal.

Be safe since you live in the vacinity!
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heres dutchscince explaining the what has been done to these salt mines and the potential for explosion. very enlightening, sorry if already posted

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Good video!
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Re: HUGE Louisiana sinkhole! PART 2
Here is an article I found when researching during the BP/Gulf oil spill. At that time there was a small earthquake in Louisiana - north of New Orleans, which caught my attention. I think this article is very fitting for what is happening there now. Explains the geology of the area (salt domes and more) and how the area is connected to the New Madrid fault and others.

[link to www.aapg.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20727452


Nice read. From the article:

One piece of this evidence, according to Reed, is the apparent connection of the New Madrid seismic zone with the Gulf rift features to the south.

"This northeast trending earthquake zone appears to connect with the northeast trending Monroe Uplift, the LaSalle Arch and, possibly, to an active seismic zone located in and around Sabine Lake on the Texas-Louisiana border," he said.

This complex of doming and seismic centers is similar to another Cretaceous age triple juncture located in the northeastern Gulf of Mexico Basin. Doming of the DeSoto Canyon High during the Jurassic to Cretaceous created this triple juncture, which includes the Cretaceous Shelf Edge, the Suwannee Strait and the West Florida Escarpment.

If the New Madrid seismic zone is indeed part of a triple juncture, he continued, there should be an expression of this limb trending along a line in a northeast direction.

So Reed conducted a study using data from the U.S. Geological Survey's National Earthquake Information Center and the USGS map "Earthquakes in the Conterminous United States." He only studied earthquakes measuring at least magnitude 5, and found that while most of the earthquake centers are random with no alignment, there is a well-defined earthquake trend extending northeastward from the New Madrid seismic zone across the United States to Canada, where it joins with the St. Lawrence River seismic zone.

Within the boundaries of this earthquake alignment there are:

Sixty-one seismic points that have a magnitude of 5 and greater.
Several large earthquakes dating to the early 1800s, all measuring over magnitude 8, all occurring within a couple of months of each other, all centered in a northeast trending line.
The two 5+ earthquakes that occurred earlier this year in northern New York state and southern Indiana.

"There is definitely some form of movement occurring along this trend," Reed said, "and it appears to be active today."

As he continued that trend south of New Madrid he found that it was in line with the Monroe Uplift.

"Suddenly I could see that this area had doming much like I had seen at the Desoto Canyon in the Gulf," he said. "This entire zone through the United States is suffering some type of tectonic activity that I believe is tied to the deeply buried tectonics in the Gulf of Mexico."
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Thank you Nine's. Although the article is pretty old, it shows that the geology of the area was in question in regards to it's stability. Sure makes me pause and hope everyone down there and along the new madrid stays safe.
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A possible breach of a butane-filled well 1500 feet from Bayou Corne's sinkhole, the size of three football fields, is so "very serious," it has Assumption Parish sheriff and local residents ordered to evacuate worried about a catastrophic explosion, one according to scientists in an Examiner investigation, would be in the range of one and a half B83 thermonuclear (hydrogen) bombs, the most powerful United States weapons in active service.

[link to www.examiner.com]

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this so soooo Bad.
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Assumption Parish
Operational Situation Summary

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nice find!

hf
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from that:
"Next Scientific Group meeting is tentatively
scheduled scheduled for 8/23/2012 @ 9:30 AM LaSalle for 8/23/2012 @ 9:30 AM LaSalle
Building"

why are they waiting TEN DAYS before the next meeting????
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i found it alarming that they are waiting that long. it has a fuku-esque feel to it like they are stalling as long as they can.
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A possible breach of a butane-filled well 1500 feet from Bayou Corne's sinkhole, the size of three football fields, is so "very serious," it has Assumption Parish sheriff and local residents ordered to evacuate worried about a catastrophic explosion, one according to scientists in an Examiner investigation, would be in the range of one and a half B83 thermonuclear (hydrogen) bombs, the most powerful United States weapons in active service.

[link to www.examiner.com]

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this so soooo Bad.
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Check the above post with the nuclear link to see how much 1.5 times of a B83 explosion would affect the area.
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A possible breach of a butane-filled well 1500 feet from Bayou Corne's sinkhole, the size of three football fields, is so "very serious," it has Assumption Parish sheriff and local residents ordered to evacuate worried about a catastrophic explosion, one according to scientists in an Examiner investigation, would be in the range of one and a half B83 thermonuclear (hydrogen) bombs, the most powerful United States weapons in active service.

[link to www.examiner.com]

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this so soooo Bad.
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Check the above post with the nuclear link to see how much 1.5 times of a B83 explosion would affect the area.
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i did. grim. 100% within a 2 mile radius, and it wouldn't be much better for the next 3 or 4 mile radius, and then it will start to ease off. that's a lot of carnage. it's crazy. it's appalling that they are not even going to have another scientific meeting for 10 more days. something seems very wrong with this picture.
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A possible breach of a butane-filled well 1500 feet from Bayou Corne's sinkhole, the size of three football fields, is so "very serious," it has Assumption Parish sheriff and local residents ordered to evacuate worried about a catastrophic explosion, one according to scientists in an Examiner investigation, would be in the range of one and a half B83 thermonuclear (hydrogen) bombs, the most powerful United States weapons in active service.

[link to www.examiner.com]

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this so soooo Bad.
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Check the above post with the nuclear link to see how much 1.5 times of a B83 explosion would affect the area.
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i did. grim. 100% within a 2 mile radius, and it wouldn't be much better for the next 3 or 4 mile radius, and then it will start to ease off. that's a lot of carnage. it's crazy. it's appalling that they are not even going to have another scientific meeting for 10 more days. something seems very wrong with this picture.
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You are correct, it seems like they are stalling for time so they don't have to deal with it.
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I'd evacuate that area and fast.

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"Mark Cartwright, president of Texas Brine, on Saturday informed state officials that the first deliveries of drilling equipment to the site to will arrive late Wednesday or early Thursday, with drilling to begin a few days later, once the rig is assembled and readied.



“There are no further regulatory approvals Texas Brine needs at this point,” Chustz said. “From here on, their timetable is only limited by their decisions, but we will be monitoring progress to ensure that they expedite the drilling of that well, while maintaining a safe operation.” "

[link to dnr.louisiana.gov]

Hmmm...
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For economic and safety reasons, the knowledge of discontinuities in the salt which lie beyond a mining face is of great value to miners. The use of VHF radar to probe for discontinuities in salt is a fast, safe, and cheap alternative to drilling and coring. Drilling can be hazardous, as the drill hole can enter a water or gas filled fracture in the salt. This has happened. Also, drilling can miss important discontinuities, as only a small volume of salt is sampled.

VHF radar probing for discontinuities in salt has been accomplished in thirteen salt mines in the U.S. and Canada.
[link to www.physics.ucla.edu]

It's fast, safe and cheap. Why aren't they doing it?
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For economic and safety reasons, the knowledge of discontinuities in the salt which lie beyond a mining face is of great value to miners. The use of VHF radar to probe for discontinuities in salt is a fast, safe, and cheap alternative to drilling and coring. Drilling can be hazardous, as the drill hole can enter a water or gas filled fracture in the salt. This has happened. Also, drilling can miss important discontinuities, as only a small volume of salt is sampled.

VHF radar probing for discontinuities in salt has been accomplished in thirteen salt mines in the U.S. and Canada.
[link to www.physics.ucla.edu]

It's fast, safe and cheap. Why aren't they doing it?
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Maybe because it doesn't cost enough money to do it. They love big expenditures for tax write offs.
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related?

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They could also be waiting for as close to the end of the calendar year as possible, so they make sure to spend $$$ on profitible gas and oil wells and if they have left-over monies, they'll spend them on the relief well(s).

Yes, money is more important than human life. What, you didn't know?
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This is not going to end well....
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this so soooo Bad.
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Check the above post with the nuclear link to see how much 1.5 times of a B83 explosion would affect the area.
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i did. grim. 100% within a 2 mile radius, and it wouldn't be much better for the next 3 or 4 mile radius, and then it will start to ease off. that's a lot of carnage. it's crazy. it's appalling that they are not even going to have another scientific meeting for 10 more days. something seems very wrong with this picture.
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You are correct, it seems like they are stalling for time so they don't have to deal with it.
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is my opinion they have a more sinister agenda than that, involving the GOM and the new madrid. that's why i find this so alarming.
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This is not going to end well....
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For economic and safety reasons, the knowledge of discontinuities in the salt which lie beyond a mining face is of great value to miners. The use of VHF radar to probe for discontinuities in salt is a fast, safe, and cheap alternative to drilling and coring. Drilling can be hazardous, as the drill hole can enter a water or gas filled fracture in the salt. This has happened. Also, drilling can miss important discontinuities, as only a small volume of salt is sampled.

VHF radar probing for discontinuities in salt has been accomplished in thirteen salt mines in the U.S. and Canada.
[link to www.physics.ucla.edu]

It's fast, safe and cheap. Why aren't they doing it?
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do you know what the dangers of drilling could be?
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Check the above post with the nuclear link to see how much 1.5 times of a B83 explosion would affect the area.
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i did. grim. 100% within a 2 mile radius, and it wouldn't be much better for the next 3 or 4 mile radius, and then it will start to ease off. that's a lot of carnage. it's crazy. it's appalling that they are not even going to have another scientific meeting for 10 more days. something seems very wrong with this picture.
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You are correct, it seems like they are stalling for time so they don't have to deal with it.
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is my opinion they have a more sinister agenda than that, involving the GOM and the new madrid. that's why i find this so alarming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16007817


Katrina, Deepwater Horizon and now this shit.. It really does seem like there's something there that they want.. Maybe they want to have an excuse to make the whole gulf including the gulf states a giant drilling farm.
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Check the above post with the nuclear link to see how much 1.5 times of a B83 explosion would affect the area.
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i did. grim. 100% within a 2 mile radius, and it wouldn't be much better for the next 3 or 4 mile radius, and then it will start to ease off. that's a lot of carnage. it's crazy. it's appalling that they are not even going to have another scientific meeting for 10 more days. something seems very wrong with this picture.
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You are correct, it seems like they are stalling for time so they don't have to deal with it.
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is my opinion they have a more sinister agenda than that, involving the GOM and the new madrid. that's why i find this so alarming.
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Yes, by bringing light to this situation we can help inform everyone about this potential risk.
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Look up Bp's algae farms... :wink wink:

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i did. grim. 100% within a 2 mile radius, and it wouldn't be much better for the next 3 or 4 mile radius, and then it will start to ease off. that's a lot of carnage. it's crazy. it's appalling that they are not even going to have another scientific meeting for 10 more days. something seems very wrong with this picture.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16007817


You are correct, it seems like they are stalling for time so they don't have to deal with it.
 Quoting: Paa Tal

is my opinion they have a more sinister agenda than that, involving the GOM and the new madrid. that's why i find this so alarming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16007817


Katrina, Deepwater Horizon and now this shit.. It really does seem like there's something there that they want.. Maybe they want to have an excuse to make the whole gulf including the gulf states a giant drilling farm.
 Quoting: Slick Vick