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Philosophical Question(s) [logic proof]

 
cecirdr
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After pondering for many years and reading many books, I've drawn a few conclusions from what I call logic experiments. Though without a reference, I sometimes wonder just how logical I've been.

I've read books by Seth, by Alan Watts, Joseph Benner, etc...just to give you a starting point to understand the beginning statements that I consider to be a fact.

1: There is no separation from the source.

2: As "above" so "below".

3: What is "inside" is reflected in what is "outside".

[Now...one can debate whether there even *is* an outside, but that's not where I want to go right now in developing the above statements.]

If 1 is true, then my brain cannot make a mistake. Nothing in life can be a mistake. There can be errors technically, but the error is always made *on purpose*. If my brain misinterprets the information from it's source, then even that is not in error, because the brain is in the image of it's source. To me, this is the meaning of "the play's the thing".

If, 1 and 2 are true, then the things I read and methodologies I practice don't *create* a better connection to source, they *reflect* that the source is creating a better translation / representation by it's brain.

If 3 is true then worrying about what's "out there" and trying to change it externally is a waste of time. It's all reflecting me. Now, the only way I can explain this along with the 6 billion other people on this "planet" is that there are an infinite number of universes or the universe is a psychological construct and thus takes up no space. Space in that regard would just be a translation of a source concept. I interact with only *one* version of a person, place or thing and the one chosen best fits my story/play. So, I may see someone get hurt, but that version of them is only one...there are many others. They likewise are creating a universe where they interact with only one version of me. When we separate, the universes no longer "touch". (See brane theory / M theory to follow up)

Ergo...there's *never* anyone else to change but myself, and I am not my body or brain. The change is instigated by the source of the brain and body (which is also not separate from it). The brain is the interpreter/experiencer of the knowing unmoved mover...the creator.

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Does this logic proof make sense to anyone else? Are there errors in my original 3 statements? I could have used more starting "facts" for the proof, but I thought they would actually be unecessary. I could derive many more understanding from these 3 statements, but I opted to keep it "short". Where else would y'all like to take these statments?

IOW, I've been curious as to why people get bent out of shape by those who want to be wealthy or have stuff. I don't think that these things are necessary, but if these statements are true, then there can be a way for people to have their stuff and still not be detrimental to others and the environment. The "fact" that they are detrimental seems to me to be reflecting a belief system.(outside reflects inside)...thus to me it's a wake up call to change ME, not get upset by what others are doing.

Anyway by those 3 statments, to me *anything* is possible. Everything is a miracle and miracles can and do happen constantly.

Thanks for reading,
Ceci
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ceci,

you have a beautiful mind.
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lmao

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BUT WHICH IS TAKING OVER ACCORDING TO THE TRANSFORMATION STAGE BY A REAL SUBUNDERSTRUCTURAL UNIT OF SECOND DEGREE AND WHICH TRANSFORMS IT BY A GREAT “VIBRATILE AND ROTATIVE WEATHER COCK” (BY ITS INTENSE DYNAMICS) INTO LOWER ENERGIES AND IT IS PASSED FROM LEVEL WITHIN THE FRAMEWORKS OF A VIBRATILE CROWN OF REDUCING IN THERE FLOORS AND BROUGHT TO ENERGIES CLOSED TO NORMALITY, MORE MOBILE, MORE WORKING AND VERY DIVERSIFIED (FROM INSIDE TO OUTSIDE) THE MINOR YNN FROM THE NEUTRAL YN / YG (YNN / YANG) FROM AND THE FORM WHICH CAN TRANSFORM ITSELF INTO MINIMUM “YANG”.
asgardhr

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I would forget the 'Above and Below' business...it is misleading. Nothing is above you; you are not beneath anything. Likewise nothing is beneath you. My opinion.
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Thanks asgardhr, I use the above/below quote as a short hand. I admit to assuming that people understand it's real meaning. It's such a lovely, concise way to say it despite it's inherent interpretive limitations. I pitched hierarchies and levels out the window years ago. :)

I realize that many people here already know these conclusions, but I see so many folks arguing, fretting, and worrying. Even people who should "know better". I'm prone to get caught up in the play and forget that I'm acting out a part in a drama. I mistake the drama to be true..and it appears that it's being reflected back to me when I see so much worry on the forum.

Oh..hi Freyja hf Thanks for stopping by.

Ceci (who has a knack for stating the obvious so thanks for bearing with me)
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192,

you just blew my 'lil noggin. lmao

Ceci
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Cool avatar ceci.
"Pray, v:. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy." - Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
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ceci I completely agree with you, nice applause
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i,m sorry

i get carried about
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192 made my brain bleed.

lmao
cecirdr (OP)

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192,

Based on another post you made today, it appears that you are able to think much more mathematically than I can. Sometimes I wish I were a theoretical physicist. But, it appears that I'm a qualitative brain in a quantitative world.

Ceci
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192 hi
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Here, in the glimmering half-light 'of the wood everything is a-quiver with marvel and romance, and if we listen many a roundel and a fairy song will come floating towards us, new notes echoing and blending with the old, because in the Forest of Wild Thyme, which is only a new and beautiful name for Fairy Land, all the songs are exactly the same age, and that is no age at all. Here we shall meet among others the fays of long ago:


[link to newendocrinology.buzau.ro]
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192 reminds me (just a bit) of Urinal Cake.....without the urinal.

hf
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192-You're link is giving me retinal burn.
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Interesting link 192. It's a bit of a hard read for me, but it appears to be discussing the role of the pineal gland in the translation of source knowingness. There are several references to immunity or immune system. Are they discussing the physical bodies immune system being modulated by the activity of the pineal?

Hmmm, I'll look it over a bit closer.

Ceci
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yeah, i hate it when people youse uppercase

it is kind of hard to veiw
i find i close my eyes it becomes munch more readable
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Is this Tanakh approved?

Grrrr.
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"Here, in the glimmering half-light 'of the wood everything is a-quiver with marvel and romance, and if we listen many a roundel and a fairy song will come floating towards us, new notes echoing and blending with the old, because in the Forest of Wild Thyme, which is only a new and beautiful name for Fairy Land, all the songs are exactly the same age, and that is no age at all. Here we shall meet among others the fays of long ago:"

Wow...I really liked this. Thanks,

Ceci
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The problem with amassing much personal wealth/possessions is that is so very SELF oriented. It is not conducive to a spirit caring for others. Take your original thoughts and INCLUDE others in it. You're on the right track but you are a bit mired in SELF.

The only thing separating ME from YOU is space/time. Our minds/tissues would be one were it not for the separation of space/time. Our thoughts are but electrical transmissions. Easily, we are electrical beings that are encapsulated in seemingly separate structures (bodies).

In essence, all that you think/do as a "Self" eventually effects all of your other "SELVES"...it's only a matter of space/time.

Personal wealth/possessions is another means of separating your SELF from all of the other SELVES....in your mind, that is. The reality is that there is only so much stuff....your having an exceptional amount more keeps others from having enough to get by.

Understanding space/time leads to the common good....for all of us SELVES!
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Great thoughts,


Here are my 2 cents from reading various Occult books, escially the works of Crowley and his works on Thelma..

(words tend not to do these thoughts justice, so bear with the discriptions.)

As Above So Below is true in the sence that we, as humans now, are truely meant for a greater place.

THAT is only obtainable through this. We must find THAT within this to make this next step possable.

It is every humans True Will to obtain escape from this into THAT.

The only reason that they can not find IT is because they are still dealing with false will, will that stears one away from their Truth.

Discovering and living forever within your True Will is the hardest and most natural act Man can do.

Once one has found themselves a "Master of the Temple" and has successfully crossed the Abyss of this into THAT, unity with everything can be found.

(the masses are examples, not the reason.)
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192,

I tried to read the article some more, but I'm still getting bogged down. ...perhaps it's a translation from Romanian to English problem??? (ie, is subtissual = to substitial?) Or perhaps it's like many threads of late for me...I simply don't have the vocabulary knowledge to grasp it??

Could you paraphrase the "take home point" of the article...sort of like an abstract?

Ceci
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16298,

Interesting how we draw very different conclusions from the 3 original statements. For the life of me...I can't find any other person...no one else outside of me. I see "us all" as individuations of the one. I see no reason to want wealth, but I see no inherent harm in it. When one realizes that we are all one and loses fear, then you stop hording and wanting wealth. For me, all I want is to be dry when it rains, warm when it's cold, and fed when I'm hungry. Yet, even so, I'm concluding that even these things are not necessary for happiness.

Anyway, to me, it's an alchemical problem to address the inside of me that's creating a universe where there is lack and suffering. I must change the recipe and create a formula that my brain can believe in, then I will be shifting my universe to display me different things.

Thank you for reflecting the belief in lack back to me. I need to notice how much I believe in this, thus was the very reason for my post. It is not wrong to believe this, but my brain is begining to conclude that lack is unecessary as unecessary as wealth is.

Ceci
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Discovering and living forever within your True Will is the hardest and most natural act Man can do.

Once one has found themselves a "Master of the Temple" and has successfully crossed the Abyss of this into THAT, unity with everything can be found."

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Thank you...this makes sense and tells me quite a lot.

Ceci
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got to read it like reading dan winter
he youses geometry imaging with compation compresion lingual representation
he briefly mentions glandually substances without actually hinting at these glandular substances
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A bunch of ad hoc assumptions interlaced with non sequiturs to generate philosophical gobblygook that may impress woo-woos but not the more logical-minded..
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Interesting how we draw very different conclusions from the 3 original statements. For the life of me...I can't find any other person...no one else outside of me. I see "us all" as individuations of the one. I see no reason to want wealth, but I see no inherent harm in it. When one realizes that we are all one and loses fear, then you stop hording and wanting wealth. For me, all I want is to be dry when it rains, warm when it's cold, and fed when I'm hungry. Yet, even so, I'm concluding that even these things are not necessary for happiness.


Ceci,

I see the first part of my life with accumulating wealth for purposes of my identity(to be somebody). Now in this part of my life I see wealth as something that flows naturally from being in alignment with what the soul is choosing to express... not in anyway to impress or be something other than me.

I have to say that those things you mentioned above...basic survival stuff....that is very necessary for me!! Or maybe the joy would remain but my discomfort without these things would definetely take it down a few notches!
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Ceci
Thank you for your post. well done and good luck to you on your quest.
If you don't mind i would like to add this. The main choices have already been made by you before you entered this Hologram. You are here to know the reasoning behind those choices. You are here to know the "why" factor in order to know who you are. There is nowhere to go and nothing to do. You have always been in the heart of source. All you have to do to get there IS TO BE. Once you have become (in small doses) you will realise your connection with the source (in small doses) and remember who you are (in small doses). Your new becoming will allow you to make the next set of decisions both in this hologram and the one that isn't there.
What is outside is a direct reflection of what is inside (as you rightly said). It is like watching a film in a cinema. No matter how much you try to change the screen, you can not change the image. In order to change what is on the screen(the outside) is to go to the source (in that little room where the projector is) and change the image from there. As you rightly said everything that happens is in perfection. All you ‘re doing is projecting this film and watching it. It is in that watching that you will realise the reason behind your making that film. By knowing the reasons, you will know the true director that is inside with the source.
You do however have a big hand in edditing this movie while you are watching it in order to make it a better viewing.

I do have an intersting article regarding your connections with everything and the source. If you wish i can post it from my files and you can copy for a later read. It is just up your street and along with what you have said in a scientific way.
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"I see the first part of my life with accumulating wealth for purposes of my identity(to be somebody). Now in this part of my life I see wealth as something that flows naturally from being in alignment with what the soul is choosing to express... not in anyway to impress or be something other than me.

I have to say that those things you mentioned above...basic survival stuff....that is very necessary for me!! Or maybe the joy would remain but my discomfort without these things would definetely take it down a few notches!"

Freyja...I can understand where you're coming from.

I had a vision as a very young child...one that remains very strong for me, but that I didn't understand until recently.

I was about 5 years old and looking out my family's living room window at the woods to the south. From no where I saw smoke signals beginning to rise. ( I was really into indians as a kid...just in case there's a correlation). Next I saw a rainbow (there was no rain, nor had there been any recently). Next the hand of God descended from the heavens and I was suffused with a feeling of utter safety.

I've decided as an adult to interpret this event as: the first part is learning to communicate, the second is chasing rainbows and the pots of gold associated with 'em, and the last part is coming home to a knowing that I am safe.

Ceci
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Thank you so much Kunaes. I'd love to read your article...and likely copy it to my hard drive to also ponder on later.

cheers

Ceci
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