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Sitting under the bodhi tree

 
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Feel free to make propositions and we might discuss.

"Ask me a question"

Attain enlightenment? To attain anything is to lose it. To hold your breath means to lose your breath. Nirvana.
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Where 'you' come from or Where You Go?
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Where 'you' come from or Where You Go?
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From here and now.
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Why do you feel that some refuse to except that of what they don't understand?

Why can't some just be and let be?
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Why do you feel that some refuse to except that of what they don't understand?

Why can't some just be and let be?
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Well that is the great game isn't it. Sometimes we have to hide to find ourselves.

We are trying to figure something out with abstract thought. We think in abstracts, and to use the mind to find the mind is like riding an ox while looking for an ox. Just like how the teeth can't bite themselves, my left index finger can't touch itself either.

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Will you have a afterlife?
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Will you have a afterlife?
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It's a beautiful Monday here in Seattle today, how about where you're at?
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Actually it's night here, with lot of artificial chemical clouds in the sky (Geo Engineering).

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"If you awaken from this illusion, and you understand that black implies white, self implies other, life implies death — or shall I say, death implies life — you can conceive yourself. Not conceive, but feel yourself, not as a stranger in the world, not as someone here on sufferance, on probation, not as something that has arrived here by fluke, but you can begin to feel your own existence as absolutely fundamental. What you are basically, deep, deep down, far, far in, is simply the fabric and structure of existence itself. So, say in Hindu mythology, they say that the world is the drama of God. God is not something in Hindu mythology with a white beard that sits on a throne, that has royal perogatives. God in Indian mythology is the self, Satcitananda. Which means sat, that which is, chit, that which is consciousness; that which is ananda is bliss. In other words, what exists, reality itself is gorgeous, it is the fullness of total joy."

-Alan Watts
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Feel free to make propositions and we might discuss.

"Ask me a question"

Attain enlightenment? To attain anything is to lose it. To hold your breath means to lose your breath. Nirvana.
 Quoting: Eternium


Does free will exist? If so, how does it work?
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Alan Watts was a total alcoholic.
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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I wanna ask question. What do you think about money and life security? thx b4.
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I wanna ask question. What do you think about money and life security? thx b4.
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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beavis
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Please discuss this OP. I posted this a day or so ago in another thread.

There is no difference between the observer, and the object being observed. Does the object being observed influence the observer, or does the observer influence the object being observed.

They are one, and cannot be untangled. Just like you, I, and all things are one. There is no difference between the external, and internal. There is no difference between the past, present, and future. The only time you think exists is the moment in which you think.

Welcome, and hope you enjoy your stay.
 Quoting: Ipsissimus Nihil 8564682


The only difference that exists is the one in which you think.

Sit very still, and listen. You hear something external, but it's only the sound of the internal perceiving its own music. Walk outside, and feel. You feel the breeze, but it's only the wind of the mind moving inside you.

Enlightenment is nothing more than the fruit of perspective. You will find that the outside is the inside, and that the observer is the observed. You observe yourself as the observed of the observer.

There is bliss.
 Quoting: Ipsissimus Nihil 8564682


The music of silence is the boundless awareness of the true nature of eternal being.

Can you hear it? It is beyond sound. Can you see it? It is beyond sight. Can you touch it? It is beyond touch. Can you taste it? It is beyond taste. Can you smell it? It is beyond smell. Can you sense it? It is beyond sense.

Can you be it? It is beyond being, but it is you.

Please continue.
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Feel free to make propositions and we might discuss.

"Ask me a question"

Attain enlightenment? To attain anything is to lose it. To hold your breath means to lose your breath. Nirvana.
 Quoting: Eternium


Does free will exist? If so, how does it work?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


Although things do happen the way they will happen; choice and choosing cannot be predetermined or illusory. “Man is free to choose to the extent of his knowledge that guides him.
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hugs:)
hugs for you:)
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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I've been trying to rearrange these words, and still nothing?
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I wanna ask question. What do you think about money and life security? thx b4.
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We confuse money with actual wealth. Life security? Well, to what extent? Security for what? If life is about attaining security then life becomes a drag. :)
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stop quoting alan watts and think for yourself
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Well since we are here sitting I will share what I find interesting today.


The Benben Stone and the Bennu Bird are the same thing.

The Temple at Heliopolis is the proof.


So what this implies is that the Phoenix is the Philosopher Stone.


And from what I know about Alchemy this makes since. Because they make the stone from Calcined Ashes.

Just as the bird is reborn from its own ashes.
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Please discuss this OP. I posted this a day or so ago in another thread.

There is no difference between the observer, and the object being observed. Does the object being observed influence the observer, or does the observer influence the object being observed.

They are one, and cannot be untangled. Just like you, I, and all things are one. There is no difference between the external, and internal. There is no difference between the past, present, and future. The only time you think exists is the moment in which you think.

Welcome, and hope you enjoy your stay.
 Quoting: Ipsissimus Nihil 8564682


The only difference that exists is the one in which you think.

Sit very still, and listen. You hear something external, but it's only the sound of the internal perceiving its own music. Walk outside, and feel. You feel the breeze, but it's only the wind of the mind moving inside you.

Enlightenment is nothing more than the fruit of perspective. You will find that the outside is the inside, and that the observer is the observed. You observe yourself as the observed of the observer.

There is bliss.
 Quoting: Ipsissimus Nihil 8564682


The music of silence is the boundless awareness of the true nature of eternal being.

Can you hear it? It is beyond sound. Can you see it? It is beyond sight. Can you touch it? It is beyond touch. Can you taste it? It is beyond taste. Can you smell it? It is beyond smell. Can you sense it? It is beyond sense.

Can you be it? It is beyond being, but it is you.

Please continue.
 Quoting: Ipsissimus Nihil 8564682


I feel this creation is trying to make sense of itself, trying to find itself. Woven into countless dimensions. Being a part of the whole I cannot comprehend the whole, although, become a point in existence in which the whole becomes aware of itself.

We are trying to make sense of it, and that is our clinging, our suffering.

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stop quoting alan watts and think for yourself
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Thinking for myself is still just an act, no matter how you go about it. The real self is the self that goes on of itself, that is "when you look out of your eyes, you're looking at you, that's the real you, the you that goes on of itself." This personification, is a great act.

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stop quoting alan watts and think for yourself
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Thinking for myself is still just an act, no matter how you go about it. The real self is the self that goes on of itself, that is "when you look out of your eyes, you're looking at you, that's the real you, the you that goes on of itself." This personification, is a great act.
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You're still parroting Alan Watts FFS!
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stop quoting alan watts and think for yourself
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Thinking for myself is still just an act, no matter how you go about it. The real self is the self that goes on of itself, that is "when you look out of your eyes, you're looking at you, that's the real you, the you that goes on of itself." This personification, is a great act.
 Quoting: Eternium


You're still parroting Alan Watts FFS!
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And Alan Watts is parroting Zen teachings?
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Feel free to make propositions and we might discuss.

"Ask me a question"

Attain enlightenment? To attain anything is to lose it. To hold your breath means to lose your breath. Nirvana.
 Quoting: Eternium


Does free will exist? If so, how does it work?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


Although things do happen the way they will happen; choice and choosing cannot be predetermined or illusory. “Man is free to choose to the extent of his knowledge that guides him.
 Quoting: Eternium


How does it work then? If it is deterministic then it is not free and if it is random then it is not will. Or is it that no free will is bad therefore, free will.
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Feel free to make propositions and we might discuss.

"Ask me a question"

Attain enlightenment? To attain anything is to lose it. To hold your breath means to lose your breath. Nirvana.
 Quoting: Eternium


Does free will exist? If so, how does it work?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


Although things do happen the way they will happen; choice and choosing cannot be predetermined or illusory. “Man is free to choose to the extent of his knowledge that guides him.
 Quoting: Eternium


How does it work then? If it is deterministic then it is not free and if it is random then it is not will. Or is it that no free will is bad therefore, free will.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


Exactly, duality is the illusion. Maybe spontaneous is the word I'm looking for here, when hinting at the universe, and us happening.
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Does free will exist? If so, how does it work?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


Although things do happen the way they will happen; choice and choosing cannot be predetermined or illusory. “Man is free to choose to the extent of his knowledge that guides him.
 Quoting: Eternium


How does it work then? If it is deterministic then it is not free and if it is random then it is not will. Or is it that no free will is bad therefore, free will.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


Exactly, duality is the illusion. Maybe spontaneous is the word I'm looking for here, when hinting at the universe, and us happening.
 Quoting: Eternium


I am not saying I know the answer but I do think it is a fundamental question, maybe one of the most fundamental questions. The problem I see is that if it cannot be defined or explained it is a meaningless concept, therefore, it needs some sort of definition or explanation. Otherwise it is nothing.
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Although things do happen the way they will happen; choice and choosing cannot be predetermined or illusory. “Man is free to choose to the extent of his knowledge that guides him.
 Quoting: Eternium


How does it work then? If it is deterministic then it is not free and if it is random then it is not will. Or is it that no free will is bad therefore, free will.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


Exactly, duality is the illusion. Maybe spontaneous is the word I'm looking for here, when hinting at the universe, and us happening.
 Quoting: Eternium


I am not saying I know the answer but I do think it is a fundamental question, maybe one of the most fundamental questions. The problem I see is that if it cannot be defined or explained it is a meaningless concept, therefore, it needs some sort of definition or explanation. Otherwise it is nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


There it is! Also, there it is not! heh. Out of nothing came everything. We're trying to find the mind with the mind here. And it won't be found. Because no mind, mind is still only a,... myth? Concept...came out of nothing.
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How does it work then? If it is deterministic then it is not free and if it is random then it is not will. Or is it that no free will is bad therefore, free will.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


Exactly, duality is the illusion. Maybe spontaneous is the word I'm looking for here, when hinting at the universe, and us happening.
 Quoting: Eternium


I am not saying I know the answer but I do think it is a fundamental question, maybe one of the most fundamental questions. The problem I see is that if it cannot be defined or explained it is a meaningless concept, therefore, it needs some sort of definition or explanation. Otherwise it is nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541801


There it is! Also, there it is not! heh. Out of nothing came everything. We're trying to find the mind with the mind here. And it won't be found. Because no mind, mind is still only a,... myth? Concept...came out of nothing.
 Quoting: Eternium


Everything out of nothing doesn't work for me. If something came from "it" then whatever "it" is "it" is something "it" is not nothing. Something cannot come from its very absence, that is a completely nonsensical idea. The entire concept of nothing is meaningless unless it is framed in the positive sense as the absence of something but as a concept of it's own, as a pure negation, I reject it as a useless superstition.

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