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I'm calling Photoshop on this one. It's Not Venus, Jupiter, or the Moon although the Moon should have been very close to being in the image. It will be easy enough to Verify, the Astrometry is here [link to nova.astrometry.net]

I tried removing what I think may be photoshopped to see if Astrometry would label the stars on the left side of the image. It didn't. I think the entire left side may have been altered [link to nova.astrometry.net]

The Google Sky KMZ file is a perfect match, look and see if you see anything there [link to nova.astrometry.net]

It will be visible to Florida around 03:30. I'll bet there is nothing there.

BTW, ANYONE CAN USE ASTROMETRY.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I appreciate your effort but several people have said they have seen this with their own eyes and it is very bright and seems out of the norm...but, I guess if "Astrometry" or "Google Sky" say nothing is there (even if it's heavily censored as I imagine something like this would be) then we should just breathe a collective sigh of relief, stick our heads in the sand and not quit our tax-paying jobs, huh?

I'm sure you mean well but IF this is some catastrophic space object about to swing by us, then I have no doubt they are either going to tell everyone it is Jupiter or Venus or censor it all together from their sites. They would NOT tell us! Period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21880144

You don't understand Astrometry, that much it clear. What others have seen is Venus & Jupiter. Astrometry PROVES this is NOT Venus or Jupiter and gives the EXACT Location to look for the object, IF, there is something there. 03:30 EDT that location will be Visible to ALL on the East Coast. All you have to do is look. Astrometry has given you the EXACT location to look. I bet all you see is Venus & Jupiter EXACTLY where they should be. I'm using Starry Night Pro Plus and it shows this location about half way between Jupiter & Venus. I have a camera too...even a telescope...and know Astrometry.
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There You Go, It's A Hoax. There is Nothing There.
Astrometry on crazycam007_2012-8-13.jpg: [link to nova.astrometry.net]
Astrometry on Taurus 2012-8-14.jpg: [link to nova.astrometry.net]


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Beat me to it, thanks TBar!
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I appreciate your effort but several people have said they have seen this with their own eyes and it is very bright and seems out of the norm...but, I guess if "Astrometry" or "Google Sky" say nothing is there (even if it's heavily censored as I imagine something like this would be) then we should just breathe a collective sigh of relief, stick our heads in the sand and not quit our tax-paying jobs, huh?

I'm sure you mean well but IF this is some catastrophic space object about to swing by us, then I have no doubt they are either going to tell everyone it is Jupiter or Venus or censor it all together from their sites. They would NOT tell us! Period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21880144

You don't understand Astrometry, that much it clear. What others have seen is Venus & Jupiter. Astrometry PROVES this is NOT Venus or Jupiter and gives the EXACT Location to look for the object, IF, there is something there. 03:30 EDT that location will be Visible to ALL on the East Coast. All you have to do is look. Astrometry has given you the EXACT location to look. I bet all you see is Venus & Jupiter EXACTLY where they should be. I'm using Starry Night Pro Plus and it shows this location about half way between Jupiter & Venus. I have a camera too...even a telescope...and know Astrometry.
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There You Go, It's A Hoax. There is Nothing There.
Astrometry on crazycam007_2012-8-13.jpg: [link to nova.astrometry.net]
Astrometry on Taurus 2012-8-14.jpg: [link to nova.astrometry.net]


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Beat me to it, thanks TBar!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Looks like the coordinates are a match for Venus' location a few days ago. *Make that a couple weeks ago, but see if you check for Venus' position from australia as of late July, I think you should be able to find an exact match."

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Its not Nibiru, its a lens flare and Jupiter and a hoax.
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Its not Nibiru, its a lens flare and Jupiter and a hoax.
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and the lost chinese lantern

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I'm calling Photoshop on this one. It's Not Venus, Jupiter, or the Moon although the Moon should have been very close to being in the image. It will be easy enough to Verify, the Astrometry is here [link to nova.astrometry.net]

I tried removing what I think may be photoshopped to see if Astrometry would label the stars on the left side of the image. It didn't. I think the entire left side may have been altered [link to nova.astrometry.net]

The Google Sky KMZ file is a perfect match, look and see if you see anything there [link to nova.astrometry.net]

It will be visible to Florida around 03:30. I'll bet there is nothing there.

BTW, ANYONE CAN USE ASTROMETRY.
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T-Bar says it is not Venus or Jupiter. He says the image is photoshopped. Anyone been able to bunk or debunk this at all?
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Assuming astrometry.net is correct.....

Venus passed that part of the sky on 27th July (UK time - give or take half a day for Australia)

Here's the relevant part of a screenshot from sky charting software 'cartes du Ciel' - with date set to 27th July
[link to i50.tinypic.com]
Turn that upside-down for the Southern hemisphere view - and it's the same as the still used at astrometry.net
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21559351

I'm showing a pretty good match with Venus around 0400 Brisbane time on July 29th. The only problem is that bright little object at Venus's 1 o'clock. The rest would work. So, he is showing US an image that is over two weeks old? Yes, I can believe that...
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I'm showing a pretty good match with Venus around 0400 Brisbane time on July 29th. The only problem is that bright little object at Venus's 1 o'clock. The rest would work. So, he is showing US an image that is over two weeks old? Yes, I can believe that...
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That bright little object at Venus' 1 O'clock.....
I'm thinking 'filter flare'
They're very common in Sun videos - I expect they'd also show up in low-light videos of bright planets..??
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So if this IS Venus and we are all idiots, could someone PLEASE explain to me why Venus is SO BRIGHT? Is it getting closer to us? Is this some centennial cycle and it's just that none of us was alive the last time it was this bright?

I don't know what it is, I don't even care if it IS Venus or Jupiter but none of you know-it-alls are getting to the main question...WHY IS IT SO BRIGHT?!
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So if this IS Venus and we are all idiots, could someone PLEASE explain to me why Venus is SO BRIGHT? Is it getting closer to us? Is this some centennial cycle and it's just that none of us was alive the last time it was this bright?

I don't know what it is, I don't even care if it IS Venus or Jupiter but none of you know-it-alls are getting to the main question...WHY IS IT SO BRIGHT?!
gaah
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It isn't any brighter than it usually gets at this point of it's 'morning star' apparition.

Saw it this morning - I estimate round about magnitude minus 4 point-something - which is perfectly normal for Venus.
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I'm showing a pretty good match with Venus around 0400 Brisbane time on July 29th. The only problem is that bright little object at Venus's 1 o'clock. The rest would work. So, he is showing US an image that is over two weeks old? Yes, I can believe that...
 Quoting: TBar1984

That bright little object at Venus' 1 O'clock.....
I'm thinking 'filter flare'
They're very common in Sun videos - I expect they'd also show up in low-light videos of bright planets..??
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Possible, it's also possibly an effect of either mirror slap or button slap. If you don't use a wired or wireless remote to trigger the shutter, or if you're using an SLR and don't use a mirror lockup feature properly, you get an initial jerk or vibration at the start of the exposure. Most of the stars would be too dim for this to matter; in the split second the camera moves as the shutter opens they don't record enough light on the CCD to be seen, but Venus being the brightest star up there by far would record its initial position as a small star and its post-jerk position as a really bright star (since that's where it would be for the rest of the exposure, which for this kind of shot is probably several seconds long at least).
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So if this IS Venus and we are all idiots, could someone PLEASE explain to me why Venus is SO BRIGHT?
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That's normal. Venus is the brightest thing up there aside from the moon (and sun, of course). It has a high albedo. It's supposed to be about magnitude -4 right now. That's incredibly bright.

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So if this IS Venus and we are all idiots, could someone PLEASE explain to me why Venus is SO BRIGHT? Is it getting closer to us? Is this some centennial cycle and it's just that none of us was alive the last time it was this bright?

I don't know what it is, I don't even care if it IS Venus or Jupiter but none of you know-it-alls are getting to the main question...WHY IS IT SO BRIGHT?!
gaah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21880144

It isn't any brighter than it usually gets at this point of it's 'morning star' apparition.

Saw it this morning - I estimate round about magnitude minus 4 point-something - which is perfectly normal for Venus.
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Yes, Venus has always been Bright. Back on the 29th it was -4.41 as it moved away from Transit. This morning it was -4.31 as it is getting further away. It is usually in the low -4s.
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Looks like it was Venus to us. My partner set up the telescope and it looked like it was crossing the Sun at about that point.
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It's supposed to be about magnitude -4 right now. That's incredibly bright.
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Yup!
And for the benefit of non-astros - that's 4 magnitudes brighter than Vega - And a difference of 4 magnitudes equates to about 40 times brighter
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What is this..?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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[link to www.youtube.com]


Good find Waterbug!! This is a different one with the same object in the same place :)

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First one is filter flare.
You can see it also moves slightly - only, not as much as the lens flare.

Second one is a combo of fakery and a bullshit voiceover.
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That is so big and bright that, assuming it isn't photoshopped, if it wasn't anything ordinary thousands of astronomers, amateur and pro alike, would be all over it.

So the Nibiru claims are

bsflagbsflagbsflag
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Every telescope in this country (with the exception of those you get for 40 bucks at Wal-mart) is under the government's tight control and surveillance. You just think Trinity could point his monster scope at any point in the sky and show us what is out there but I'm sure, if the gov't swat wasn't there within the hour to confiscate the GLP telescope, that the gov't has had a little talk with anyone capable of seeing something significant out there and either threatened or guilted them into silence..."You wouldn't want to cause mass panic, now would you?"
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You're an idiot. No one controls my telescope but me. The government doesn't know what the fuck I'm looking at and doesn't care. Quit being a paranoid fear monger. There are thousands of amateur astronomers out each night. If there was really something that big and bright, they would be the first to notice it, not some idiot with a cell phone camera.
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You're an idiot. No one controls my telescope but me. The government doesn't know what the fuck I'm looking at and doesn't care. Quit being a paranoid fear monger. There are thousands of amateur astronomers out each night. If there was really something that big and bright, they would be the first to notice it, not some idiot with a cell phone camera.
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Damn right!

And Ditto on the telescope usage.
Not only do I own several telescopes, including a couple of quite large ones - I also know personally, well over 50 people who own 'scopes of 8" aperture and bigger.
Not one of them is 'govt. controlled'

The idiocy on these forums never ceases to amaze me.
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It was geeses...
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They were only off by 20 million light years..
Invoke means invent.. in this case.

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[link to www.skyandtelescope.com]

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Astronomers had estimated that the Antennae are 65 million light-years away. Now Hubble's analysis of red giants in an outlying patch brings them a lot closer, to 45 million light-years.

This matters. As a NASA / European Space Agency press release tells it:

"The previous larger distance required astronomers to invoke some quite exceptional physical characteristics to account for the spectacular system: very high star-formation rates, supermassive star clusters, ultraluminous X-ray sources, etc. The new smaller distance makes the Antennae Galaxies less extreme in terms of the physics needed to explain the observed phenomena. For instance, with the smaller distance its infrared radiation is now that expected of a 'standard' early merging event, rather than that of an ultraluminous infrared galaxy. The size of the star clusters formed as a consequence of the Antennae merger now agree with those of clusters created in other mergers, instead of being 1.5 times as large."
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The Problem Faced by Modern Astronomy is that Experiments Are Not Possible

But, if we cannot test our hypotheses, how can we reject or modify them? The answer, of course, is that astrophysicists, more than those in any other branch of science, must be exceedingly careful to continually examine their hypotheses in light of any new data. It is the contention of the author of these pages that they have not been doing this.

Most of today's accepted astronomy/cosmology is a set of deductively arrived at hypotheses precariously based on two false assumptions :

Electrical fields, currents, and plasma discharges are not important in space. Only gravitational and magnetic fields are important.
If the light from an object exhibits redshift, the object must be speeding away from us. And its distance from us is directly proportional to that speed.

Both of these assumptions are demonstrably wrong. They have been, and continue to be, contradicted by actual observations of the sky. Those observations tell us that

The universe is highly electrical in nature.
Redshift is more a measure of an object's youth than its velocity.

The continued refusal of astrophysicists to re-examine their hypotheses in light of these new observations is the focus of these pages.
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from same source...

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Astrophysicists Denigrate Outsiders - Then Quietly Adopt their New Ideas

There have been several instances in the past when the astronomical mainstream has long rejected an idea that is later accepted. There is usually no public disgrace for the in-group who were on the wrong side of the issue. When, after being viciously denigrated, the validity of a new idea becomes inescapably obvious, a few years go by, and then we quietly hear: "Well, Everyone has known for a Long Time that this (the new idea) was always true." An example of this is Hannes Alfvén's discovery of plasma waves. This relatively recently discovered property of plasmas is now being wrongly used by astrophysicists to explain away all sorts of (what is for them) enigmatic phenomena - such as the temperature inversion in the Sun's lower corona.

The following pages discuss some of the people, observations, and ideas, that challenge the false assumptions that mainstream science refuses to re-examine. When you read them, remember that any single unanswered challenge of this sort is enough to bring down the pseudoscientific magic show that modern astronomy/cosmology has become - like a house of cards.

more here..


Electric Sky
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Mainstream astrophysicists are continually “surprised” by new data sent back by space probes and orbiting telescopes. That ought to be a clue that something is wrong. New information always sends theoretical astrophysicists "back to the drawing board". In light of this, it is curious that they have such "cock-sure" attitudes about the infallibility of their present models. Those models seem to require major "patching up" every time a new space probe sends back data.

Astrophysicists and astronomers do not study experimental plasma dynamics in graduate school. They rarely take any courses in electrodynamic field theory, and thus they try to explain every new discovery via gravity, magnetism, and fluid dynamics which is all they understand. It is no wonder they cannot understand that 99% of all cosmic phenomena are due to plasma dynamics and not to gravity alone.

When confronted by observations that cast doubt on the validity of their theories, astrophysicists have circled their wagons and conjured up pseudo-scientific invisible entities such as neutron stars, weakly interacting massive particles, strange energy, and black holes. When confronted by solid evidence such as Halton Arp's photographs that contradict the Big Bang Theory, their response is to refuse him access to any major telescope in the U.S.
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So if this IS Venus and we are all idiots, could someone PLEASE explain to me why Venus is SO BRIGHT? Is it getting closer to us? Is this some centennial cycle and it's just that none of us was alive the last time it was this bright?

I don't know what it is, I don't even care if it IS Venus or Jupiter but none of you know-it-alls are getting to the main question...WHY IS IT SO BRIGHT?!
gaah
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OP -- that is the right question. I live on the Atlantic coast. When I was a kid, my parents had a house in a fishing village, and every day I'd get up when it was still dark and watch the sun rise over the ocean. It was beautiful. I had a clear view of the horizon; there was nothing between me and the sun but the ocean. Every day, for years and years, I watched the sun rise. Even on cloudy days, there would still usually be at least a sliver of a sunrise between horizon and cloud cover. But not once did I ever notice another 'heavenly body' in the morning sky as bright as Venus is today. Had it been as bright as it is today (in the same way as the sun is much brighter), I would have noticed it.

Venus IS brighter than it used to be back in the 1970s and 1980s. I have absolutely no doubt about that. And the sun is likewise brighter. In the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s -- heck, right up until the mid to late 1990s, I could look at the sun. Remember how you used to be warned, as children, not to look at the sun too long? You got warned because it was actually possible back then to look at the sun. No more. It's difficult sometimes even to look in its general direction, let alone right at it.

So the question that needs to be answered is: Why are the planets and why is the sun getting brighter?
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First one is filter flare.
You can see it also moves slightly - only, not as much as the lens flare.

Second one is a combo of fakery and a bullshit voiceover.
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And your empirical proof is..? Your observations..?
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Wow you people are hilarious.

So out of all the astronomers and sky watchers out there, no one saw this but some random guy in some unnamed location, time of day, and direction did?

rofl

Props to the You Tube guy for fooling you all.

IT IS VENUS!

GOOD LORD PEOPLE!
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Above AC,

You are missing the point.

Yes, this is a website with reasonably intelligent people - they are not reacting to seeing Venus, which they have seen their whole lives.

Even if it is Venus, what people are reacting to is the increased luminosity of this object : Venus or whatever.


I have never seen Jupiter or Venus as bright as they have been the past few years, and I am no spring chicken my friend.
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exactly my thoughts. even on the other moon thread that people are calling the posters "moontards"

i call BS - there is SOMETHING going on in space! something is not right at all! i too have watched what they call venus and mars, not once in my lifetime have i ever seen them this bright!
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Wow you people are hilarious.

So out of all the astronomers and sky watchers out there, no one saw this but some random guy in some unnamed location, time of day, and direction did?

rofl

Props to the You Tube guy for fooling you all.

IT IS VENUS!

GOOD LORD PEOPLE!
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Above AC,

You are missing the point.

Yes, this is a website with reasonably intelligent people - they are not reacting to seeing Venus, which they have seen their whole lives.

Even if it is Venus, what people are reacting to is the increased luminosity of this object : Venus or whatever.


I have never seen Jupiter or Venus as bright as they have been the past few years, and I am no spring chicken my friend.
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There's nothing abnormal about the brightness of Venus.
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What is this..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

First one is filter flare.
You can see it also moves slightly - only, not as much as the lens flare.

Second one is a combo of fakery and a bullshit voiceover.
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And your empirical proof is..? Your observations..?
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"empirical proof" please answer that I would
love to hear it,and astromut,you call Photoshop, listen
to the guy who posted this on you tube.does he really sound
like the type of guy to get 13 pages of GLP concern by using PS.I think he is very concerned with what he has found
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and astromut,you call Photoshop,
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Where did I do that? Quote me where I said that.
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