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Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls

 
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She is right.

The government should not be in the business of charity, simply because the government is not a charity it is a means to tax every last one of us for the money to fund project we don't approve of.

That is not love or charity that is theft at gunpoint.

Welfare has become not the means to take care of those that cannot work but the means to take care of those that will not work and will vote for their masters to earn more ducats and a bigger piece of the dole which government will provide.
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
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Ayn Rand was for logic and reason.

The two most frightening concepts to any liberal.
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Ayn Rand's philosophy of capitalism and objectivism derive from her belief in the power and glory of the indiviual not the group. Her philosophy allows for no one to be a slave to another, and requires all who wish freedom to abide by the consequences of having that freedom. (something the left has no wish to ponder or argue.)

Many bring up the idea that her philosophy is bases on selfishness. This is far from the case, and is explained in detail to anyone who takes the time to study her logic and follows her strict literal definition of selfishness and selflessness.

Once again we see the uneducated masses, (and there seems to be more and more of them each year) being fed false and unsubstanciated claims about a philosophy that none of them has taken the time to evaluate on their own.

while I am one who believes that man's freedom should trump all other things in life, I am drawn more and more to the belief, that 95% of the population, does not know how to think, and that out of the 5% that do, only 2% of them can do it well. that 2% understands the principles and foundations that Rand espouses. It is getting very hard for us in that 2% to maintain our beliefs in freedom when the great unwashed turns to the sophistry of alturism (which by and large is much more selfish in its belief system) and the false hope of the nanny state for its survival.

there is no fair share, and the belief in a idiotic concept like that is proof of the lack of ability to think rationaly.
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Ayn Rand is always used as an excuse by sociopathic sorts to explain why they are actually good upstanding people.
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Ryan sucks on so many levels but most prominently, as a flaming hypocrite, just like his idol, that worthless, evil POS, Ayn Rand. Like her, he ALSO collected Social Security (it put him through college) as Survivor benefits, now he would destroy these programs for others. And while he pretends he's anti-government, he has worked in government or some politically related job for his ENTIRE ADULT LIFE with only minor forays into the dreaded private sector in college. What a total piece of garbage he is. And so was Ayn Rand. I hope she is chained to Karl Marx in hell. Both of them had completely pernicious and destructive social philosophies. At least I think Marx actually lived a poor life. Rand made sure she got HER Social Security, evil pig.
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Ayn Rand is always used as an excuse by sociopathic sorts to explain why they are actually good upstanding people.
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That's why they love her. She gives them a philosophical basis for their greed and self absorbance. Any one who believes in Ayn Rand literally CANNOT be a Christian as the belief systems are diametically opposed and in conflict. So let's stop the pretense. You are either a Randian or a Christian (for those pretending to be both, that is).
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Why do you libtards find it so necessary to lie? Ryan read Rand as did countless others. So frickin'what. Ayn Rand is no more his guru than I am.

There’s something deeply unsettling about living in a country where millions of people go frothing batshit angry at the suggestion that maybe health care coverage should be extended to the tens of millions of Americans who don’t have it; or when they froth at the mouth in ecstasy at the thought of privatizing and slashing bedrock social programs like Social Security or Medicare. It might not be as hard to stomach if other Western countries also had a large, vocal chunk of their population who thought like this, but the US is seemingly the only place where right-wing elites can openly share their distaste for the working poor. Where do they find their philosophical justification for this kind of attitude?

It turns out, you can trace much of this thinking back to Ayn Rand, a popular cult-philosopher who plays Charlie to the American right-wing’s Manson Family. Read on and you’ll see why.

Read more at [link to www.nakedcapitalism.com]
[link to www.nakedcapitalism.com]
 Quoting: Sir Sidney Fudd

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Asshole, Paul Ryan doesn't know you exist.

But he's said that Ayn Rand inspired him to go into politics so he could screw the poor as hard as possible, he's talked enthusiastically about the "morality" of her sociopathic philosophy, and he requires all of his congressional staff to read her shitty books and watch Ayn Rand videos.
iamwith
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Fuck off, you liar, he never said anything of the sort.. you fucking commies will stop at NOTHING to tear this country apart, and let me tell you, your fucking day is coming....
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22005719


She is right.

The government should not be in the business of charity, simply because the government is not a charity it is a means to tax every last one of us for the money to fund project we don't approve of.

That is not love or charity that is theft at gunpoint.

Welfare has become not the means to take care of those that cannot work but the means to take care of those that will not work and will vote for their masters to earn more ducats and a bigger piece of the dole which government will provide.
 Quoting: Masiro




I notice that this POS, Rand, didn't hesitate to take HER Social Security and Medicare when she was eligible. So much for her fucking principles, worthless evil psychotic whore that she was. Do you have any idea of how CRAZY and EVIL she was in her private life? How many people she fucked over gladly? But I suppose you approve of that. And Paul Ryan is the same kind of POS - someone who is anti government but yet used his SS Survivor benefits to put himself through college - a PUBLIC college - and then spent his entire life either on the government payroll or trying to get there. FUCKING HYPOCRITES.
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Why do you libtards find it so necessary to lie? Ryan read Rand as did countless others. So frickin'what. Ayn Rand is no more his guru than I am.

There’s something deeply unsettling about living in a country where millions of people go frothing batshit angry at the suggestion that maybe health care coverage should be extended to the tens of millions of Americans who don’t have it; or when they froth at the mouth in ecstasy at the thought of privatizing and slashing bedrock social programs like Social Security or Medicare. It might not be as hard to stomach if other Western countries also had a large, vocal chunk of their population who thought like this, but the US is seemingly the only place where right-wing elites can openly share their distaste for the working poor. Where do they find their philosophical justification for this kind of attitude?

It turns out, you can trace much of this thinking back to Ayn Rand, a popular cult-philosopher who plays Charlie to the American right-wing’s Manson Family. Read on and you’ll see why.

Read more at [link to www.nakedcapitalism.com]
[link to www.nakedcapitalism.com]
 Quoting: Sir Sidney Fudd

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21793737



Asshole, Paul Ryan doesn't know you exist.

But he's said that Ayn Rand inspired him to go into politics so he could screw the poor as hard as possible, he's talked enthusiastically about the "morality" of her sociopathic philosophy, and he requires all of his congressional staff to read her shitty books and watch Ayn Rand videos.
iamwith
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Fuck off, you liar, he never said anything of the sort.. you fucking commies will stop at NOTHING to tear this country apart, and let me tell you, your fucking day is coming....
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Who's a fucking commie you stupid POS - someone who actually WORKS for a living in the dreaded private sector, or someone like Paul Ryan who spent his ENTIRE ADULT LIFE either on the government payroll or trying to get on it. He's a lifelong welfare queen with a permanent EBT card.
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Why do you libtards find it so necessary to lie? Ryan read Rand as did countless others. So frickin'what. Ayn Rand is no more his guru than I am.

...

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Asshole, Paul Ryan doesn't know you exist.

But he's said that Ayn Rand inspired him to go into politics so he could screw the poor as hard as possible, he's talked enthusiastically about the "morality" of her sociopathic philosophy, and he requires all of his congressional staff to read her shitty books and watch Ayn Rand videos.
iamwith
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Fuck off, you liar, he never said anything of the sort.. you fucking commies will stop at NOTHING to tear this country apart, and let me tell you, your fucking day is coming....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15978808



Who's a fucking commie you stupid POS - someone who actually WORKS for a living in the dreaded private sector, or someone like Paul Ryan who spent his ENTIRE ADULT LIFE either on the government payroll or trying to get on it. He's a lifelong welfare queen with a permanent EBT card.
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You know you community organizer is a commie!
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I don't think I said Obama was a better choice. Your assessment of Obama is correct.

All I'm saying is we are being run by a bunch of sociopaths - and you think that's OK?

Quit following mad men libtards, consevicunts, whatever
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the secret that the truth movement didn't see is that most of the population are functional sociopaths as well. That's why the "waking people up" to the new world order quest is futile.

In my observation, the great majority in all cultures at all times in history think and believe as they are taught. And today's society has been taught a sociopathic mindset relative to previous generations.
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one of the things programmed human livestock have been trained to do is squabble with each other over political issues, etc. Because different segments have been programmed to opposing paradigms - so you have the left vs right, conservative vs liberal, etc.

It assures that the people never unite against the owners of the farm.

You know you are seeing this when people are like "fuck you commie" when arguing their points and so on.

There is no reasoning with an opposing viewpoint when this principle is in play. Because most people are driven by sensation, such as tribal defense dynamics, etc. Its like fans of opposing football teams. Its a huge myth that people evaluate information and process based on facts. They are driven by instinct to be right, that is all.
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Typical liberal babbling. All they do is name call and blame the other side.
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and Rand was indeed a sociopath. Anyone who subscribes to her philosophy cannot find moral fault with the plans of the elite to genocide us all.
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Rand did, actually, give a degree of praise to the serial killer. It was in a journal entry in the 20s, and is printed in her collection of journal entries. Leonard Peikoff even takes the time to address it directly.

What does Rand say? Basically, this serial killer killed a kid and society rose up against him. Rand's thought was that this was a great example of society rising up against an individual, and it reminded her of the manhunts in Soviet Russia. She doesn't actually praise the killing, but she does see the guy as an individualist.

Why does this piss of liberals? Because they think Rand held this guy as a model of an individualist. Also, they think it shows her to be anti-social, because they say the rising up of society against the guy was justified, a good thing. It should be rising up against killers, whether they are individuals or groups.

What does this tell us about Rand? There's legitimate room for disagreement here. From reading all of Rand's works, I can say that she nowhere calls for killing, let alone killing kids. She thinks the use of force is one of the greatest evils a man can commit. I think it shows an immature Rand, one who had yet to fully distinguish the difference between genuine individualism (rational self-interest individualism) and false individualism (pathological, for instance).

She later rejects Nietzsche, who she earlier admired, precisely because he is an example of false individualism (which, incidentally, always leads to collectivism). As a side note, the same philosophers who reject Rand because she praised this serial killer accept Nietzsche, despite his constant ranting against the jewish people and his praise of the 'blond beast' who crushes his enemies beneath his feet.
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Asshole, Paul Ryan doesn't know you exist.

But he's said that Ayn Rand inspired him to go into politics so he could screw the poor as hard as possible, he's talked enthusiastically about the "morality" of her sociopathic philosophy, and he requires all of his congressional staff to read her shitty books and watch Ayn Rand videos.
iamwith
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Fuck off, you liar, he never said anything of the sort.. you fucking commies will stop at NOTHING to tear this country apart, and let me tell you, your fucking day is coming....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15978808



Who's a fucking commie you stupid POS - someone who actually WORKS for a living in the dreaded private sector, or someone like Paul Ryan who spent his ENTIRE ADULT LIFE either on the government payroll or trying to get on it. He's a lifelong welfare queen with a permanent EBT card.
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You know you community organizer is a commie!
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Just because Obama is also a POS doesn't mean that Paul Ryan is not ALSO a POS!!! Obama, Biden, Romney and Paul are ALLLLLLL POS!!!!! How can you root for an anti-government stand and vote for someone like Ryan, who has spent his ENTIRE ADULT LIFE on the public payroll, seeking to prevent OTHER people from getting all that HE has enjoyed. You know what I call that.... a fucking worthless hypocrite. And you can't deny it.
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Rand did, actually, give a degree of praise to the serial killer. It was in a journal entry in the 20s, and is printed in her collection of journal entries. Leonard Peikoff even takes the time to address it directly.

What does Rand say? Basically, this serial killer killed a kid and society rose up against him. Rand's thought was that this was a great example of society rising up against an individual, and it reminded her of the manhunts in Soviet Russia. She doesn't actually praise the killing, but she does see the guy as an individualist.

Why does this piss of liberals? Because they think Rand held this guy as a model of an individualist. Also, they think it shows her to be anti-social, because they say the rising up of society against the guy was justified, a good thing. It should be rising up against killers, whether they are individuals or groups.

What does this tell us about Rand? There's legitimate room for disagreement here. From reading all of Rand's works, I can say that she nowhere calls for killing, let alone killing kids. She thinks the use of force is one of the greatest evils a man can commit. I think it shows an immature Rand, one who had yet to fully distinguish the difference between genuine individualism (rational self-interest individualism) and false individualism (pathological, for instance).

She later rejects Nietzsche, who she earlier admired, precisely because he is an example of false individualism (which, incidentally, always leads to collectivism). As a side note, the same philosophers who reject Rand because she praised this serial killer accept Nietzsche, despite his constant ranting against the jewish people and his praise of the 'blond beast' who crushes his enemies beneath his feet.
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You can dance around the intellectual maypole all you want but the bottom line is that: Ayn Rand supported a serial killer who murdered children. No decent person would have ANY support for such a creature on ANY level. That right there shows what an absolute and complete degenerate she was. And her private insanity and degeneracy is beautifully reflected in the nearly unreadable garbage she produces which has infected the minds of selfish young Republican spawn for a generation. They love her because she gives them a moral argument for selfishness.

You CANNOT believe in both Ayn Rand and Christ (for those who say they do like Paul Ryan). It is impossible.
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Paul Ryan is about as close to having the beliefs of Ayn Rand as Obama is.

Government is corrupt, period. It doesn't matter what their views are because of that. They are never looking out for the people. R's and D's are meaningless labels.

What fools still have faith in government? What reasons would anyone have to have any faith in government unless they have been brainwashed/dumbed down/trained to follow the herd?
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“We’ll therefore speed up the question of reform (of tarrifs within) the Democratic Party; and we’ll put the spotlight on the question of protection …(for) the Republican Party."

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You can dance around the intellectual maypole all you want but the bottom line is that: Ayn Rand supported a serial killer who murdered children. No decent person would have ANY support for such a creature on ANY level. That right there shows what an absolute and complete degenerate she was. And her private insanity and degeneracy is beautifully reflected in the nearly unreadable garbage she produces which has infected the minds of selfish young Republican spawn for a generation. They love her because she gives them a moral argument for selfishness.

You CANNOT believe in both Ayn Rand and Christ (for those who say they do like Paul Ryan). It is impossible.
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Just because you've found one issue that you believe is impossible to defend, it does not invalidate everything else she has said, if you use only logic instead of appeals to emotion.

If Hitler said "people should not harm each other" would you think the opposite must be true?

It is immoral to initiate the use of violence to coerce anyone. Governments are granted the monopoly of the use of force, therefore are always immoral.
“We must keep the people busy with political antagonisms."
“We’ll therefore speed up the question of reform (of tarrifs within) the Democratic Party; and we’ll put the spotlight on the question of protection …(for) the Republican Party."

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Ayn Rand is always used as an excuse by sociopathic sorts to explain why they are actually good upstanding people.
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That's why they love her. She gives them a philosophical basis for their greed and self absorbance. Any one who believes in Ayn Rand literally CANNOT be a Christian as the belief systems are diametically opposed and in conflict. So let's stop the pretense. You are either a Randian or a Christian (for those pretending to be both, that is).
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That's not true. You can be interested in and admire her ideas and still be a Christian. It's not all or nothing. You make it sound like people worship at the feet of Ayn Rand, just because they believe some of things she said.

I'm no fundamentalist, but I do know that Jesus gave charity because he wanted to, not because he was forced to by some dirtbag politician.

As far as what Ayn Rand did in her personal life, Im going to read up on it. Almost all public figures have skeletons in their closets and are A-holes, so it's nothing new.
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Paul Ryan is about as close to having the beliefs of Ayn Rand as Obama is.

Government is corrupt, period. It doesn't matter what their views are because of that. They are never looking out for the people. R's and D's are meaningless labels.

What fools still have faith in government? What reasons would anyone have to have any faith in government unless they have been brainwashed/dumbed down/trained to follow the herd?
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Amen, brother. I don't know why someone would defend a politician. You think someone like Paul Ryan gives two shits about you or I? Pfft...dream on.
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Rand did, actually, give a degree of praise to the serial killer. It was in a journal entry in the 20s, and is printed in her collection of journal entries. Leonard Peikoff even takes the time to address it directly.

What does Rand say? Basically, this serial killer killed a kid and society rose up against him. Rand's thought was that this was a great example of society rising up against an individual, and it reminded her of the manhunts in Soviet Russia. She doesn't actually praise the killing, but she does see the guy as an individualist.

Why does this piss of liberals? Because they think Rand held this guy as a model of an individualist. Also, they think it shows her to be anti-social, because they say the rising up of society against the guy was justified, a good thing. It should be rising up against killers, whether they are individuals or groups.

What does this tell us about Rand? There's legitimate room for disagreement here. From reading all of Rand's works, I can say that she nowhere calls for killing, let alone killing kids. She thinks the use of force is one of the greatest evils a man can commit. I think it shows an immature Rand, one who had yet to fully distinguish the difference between genuine individualism (rational self-interest individualism) and false individualism (pathological, for instance).

She later rejects Nietzsche, who she earlier admired, precisely because he is an example of false individualism (which, incidentally, always leads to collectivism). As a side note, the same philosophers who reject Rand because she praised this serial killer accept Nietzsche, despite his constant ranting against the jewish people and his praise of the 'blond beast' who crushes his enemies beneath his feet.
 Quoting: Alethian



You can dance around the intellectual maypole all you want but the bottom line is that: Ayn Rand supported a serial killer who murdered children. No decent person would have ANY support for such a creature on ANY level. That right there shows what an absolute and complete degenerate she was. And her private insanity and degeneracy is beautifully reflected in the nearly unreadable garbage she produces which has infected the minds of selfish young Republican spawn for a generation. They love her because she gives them a moral argument for selfishness.

You CANNOT believe in both Ayn Rand and Christ (for those who say they do like Paul Ryan). It is impossible.
 Quoting: Ayn Rand Sucks 1524722


You *CANNOT* tell me how I can think regarding this issue.

Ayn Rand made some great points. Some great points were made in the Bible.

Take what you can use and leave the rest.

My church helps the needy. Directly. I do what I think is right, not what some idiot politician, preacher, or philosopher tells me to do.

We don't all fit into neat little boxes. Everyone is different.
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Paul Ryan is about as close to having the beliefs of Ayn Rand as Obama is.

Government is corrupt, period. It doesn't matter what their views are because of that. They are never looking out for the people. R's and D's are meaningless labels.

What fools still have faith in government? What reasons would anyone have to have any faith in government unless they have been brainwashed/dumbed down/trained to follow the herd?
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Amen, brother. I don't know why someone would defend a politician. You think someone like Paul Ryan gives two shits about you or I? Pfft...dream on.
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clappa best 2 comments I have read on GLP in a long time!
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Paul Ryan is about as close to having the beliefs of Ayn Rand as Obama is.

Government is corrupt, period. It doesn't matter what their views are because of that. They are never looking out for the people. R's and D's are meaningless labels.

What fools still have faith in government? What reasons would anyone have to have any faith in government unless they have been brainwashed/dumbed down/trained to follow the herd?
 Quoting: jcab2002


Amen, brother. I don't know why someone would defend a politician. You think someone like Paul Ryan gives two shits about you or I? Pfft...dream on.
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Thank you. That really is my big point. Thank you for giving it words.
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stupthrd stupthrd stupthrd I doubt Op's even read a book .
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Re: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls
Rand did, actually, give a degree of praise to the serial killer. It was in a journal entry in the 20s, and is printed in her collection of journal entries. Leonard Peikoff even takes the time to address it directly.

What does Rand say? Basically, this serial killer killed a kid and society rose up against him. Rand's thought was that this was a great example of society rising up against an individual, and it reminded her of the manhunts in Soviet Russia. She doesn't actually praise the killing, but she does see the guy as an individualist.

Why does this piss of liberals? Because they think Rand held this guy as a model of an individualist. Also, they think it shows her to be anti-social, because they say the rising up of society against the guy was justified, a good thing. It should be rising up against killers, whether they are individuals or groups.

What does this tell us about Rand? There's legitimate room for disagreement here. From reading all of Rand's works, I can say that she nowhere calls for killing, let alone killing kids. She thinks the use of force is one of the greatest evils a man can commit. I think it shows an immature Rand, one who had yet to fully distinguish the difference between genuine individualism (rational self-interest individualism) and false individualism (pathological, for instance).

She later rejects Nietzsche, who she earlier admired, precisely because he is an example of false individualism (which, incidentally, always leads to collectivism). As a side note, the same philosophers who reject Rand because she praised this serial killer accept Nietzsche, despite his constant ranting against the jewish people and his praise of the 'blond beast' who crushes his enemies beneath his feet.
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You can dance around the intellectual maypole all you want but the bottom line is that: Ayn Rand supported a serial killer who murdered children. No decent person would have ANY support for such a creature on ANY level. That right there shows what an absolute and complete degenerate she was. And her private insanity and degeneracy is beautifully reflected in the nearly unreadable garbage she produces which has infected the minds of selfish young Republican spawn for a generation. They love her because she gives them a moral argument for selfishness.

You CANNOT believe in both Ayn Rand and Christ (for those who say they do like Paul Ryan). It is impossible.
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I don't try to believe in Ayn Rand or Christ. I believe in facts. But you wouldn't understand that, because you're a fucking moron who can't tell A from B.
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Re: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls
Quote: I don't try to believe in Ayn Rand or Christ. I believe in facts. But you wouldn't understand that, because you're a fucking moron who can't tell A from B.


Your facts are merely opinion. To think you really possess facts tells me you're on your way to sociopath heaven, you'll love it there. When they destroy you I hope you're happy with your "facts".

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Re: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls
We ought to be reassured by Ryan's reading of this woman.

Any government official in the Ayn Rand camp is a good thing. Anything to keep these leeches squarely in the position of less government is a good thing. Anything to keep them reminded of their limited role. Anything to remind them to back the fuck off.

Ayn would have socked Paul Ryan for his TARP votes and other big-government bailouts.

It's possible Ryan evolved his view. I'm sure people pointed out she was an atheist. Just because you adhere to someone's philosophy doesn't mean you agree with every cent of it.

At the core, Ayn's right: NO to generosity, giving or social diligence by force.

Libs love to talk about the "poor" -- how many of them volunteer or do anything for their community? They want the government to do it. It takes the responsibility off the backs of the people.
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Yes, but sadly she died with terminal lung cancer living off the public teat...Social Security and likely Medicare.

And about supporting the poor and the aged and the infirm, that's why we vote Democratic and agree to pay taxes and have social networks...to be the antithesis of godless communists or objectivists who turn out, at the end of the days, to be old, sick and need an income, Social Security and health care.

Honest question: How many people do you know who can totally support themselves and any illness they have until 70 or 80?
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Re: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls
Ayn Rand is always used as an excuse by sociopathic sorts to explain why they are actually good upstanding people.
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That's why they love her. She gives them a philosophical basis for their greed and self absorbance. Any one who believes in Ayn Rand literally CANNOT be a Christian as the belief systems are diametically opposed and in conflict. So let's stop the pretense. You are either a Randian or a Christian (for those pretending to be both, that is).
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