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On the difference between EPA Radnet and Radiation Network

 
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On the difference between EPA Radnet and Radiation Network
Some attention here has been given to: Why do the EPA Radnet sites and the Radiation Network sites provide such widely different numbers. Let me give it a shot:

It's because they measure different types of radiation, and in different manners.

The Radiation Network is comprised of unpaid volunteers who have specific geiger-counter/meters that are connected to their computers/internet giving real-time readings. These units are indoors, and are primarily measuring naturally occurring radiation from the Earth plus cosmic-rays/gamma-radiation that is/are strong enough to pass though the roof of their abode. Fall-out tracked/blown into the house near the meter might also be expected to show up, as would the solid daughter products of Radon, some of which emit Beta radiation. These counts, total, seldom exceed 100CPM. No fans or filters used.
[link to radiationnetwork.com]

[link to www.geigercounters.com]

Here's a similar set-up in Hong Kong, but measured in microSV/hr instead of CPM
[link to www.weather.gov.hk]

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The EPA sites are outdoors and all have air filters and a fan system that filters the air of dust at 60 cu meters/hour. This dust is going to have some radioactivity normally, but nuclear fall-out would add to it. Most nuclear fallout isotopes/elements release beta and sometimes gamma radiation. It is these filters that are measured on the EPA sites. Unfortunately, they don't use a methodology that measures/states the mass of the dust, which could be a cause of increased CPM if there was increased dust in the air. There are air samplers which do also measure the mass of the dust.

[link to www.epa.gov]

Picture of EPA air sampler
[link to www.epa.gov]

I'm not a nuclear physicist, but do have an interest in radiation, and work around it frequently. Hope this helps.

Last Edited by MuzzleBreak on 09/08/2012 09:12 AM
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I see your opinion highlighted on the internet under EPA Radnet Alerts.

I don't know that you are right, I am the one that brought up this as a question. There is still trouble brewing in my mind as to the reason these differ. I hope you cleared it up correctly, in case I am not the only one that wondered about it. What are your radiation credentials? Are you going to delete my post?
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I see your opinion highlighted on the internet under EPA Radnet Alerts.

I don't know that you are right, I am the one that brought up this as a question. There is still trouble brewing in my mind as to the reason these differ. I hope you cleared it up correctly, in case I am not the only one that wondered about it. What are your radiation credentials? Are you going to delete my post?
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I believe you are correct to be worried about the high Beta counts. I do not know where they are coming from, but suspect some sort of contamination, possibly originating in the north central US.
The normal counts on Radiation Network should parallel the high energy (level 10) counts on gamma rays on EPA site (addendum: unless they are shielded from cosmic rays during measurement), since most Radiation Network meters are sitting inside a house. Also the naturally occurring radiation in the local earth and man-made structures will vary place to place.

I don't have any specific "radiation credentials" other than an graduate degree in physics/chemistry (called combined sciences at the time) and a post-graduate MD degree.

Last Edited by MuzzleBreak on 09/08/2012 09:09 AM
In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

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Re: On the difference between EPA Radnet and Radiation Network
I see your opinion highlighted on the internet under EPA Radnet Alerts.

I don't know that you are right, I am the one that brought up this as a question. There is still trouble brewing in my mind as to the reason these differ. I hope you cleared it up correctly, in case I am not the only one that wondered about it. What are your radiation credentials? Are you going to delete my post?
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I believe you are correct to be worried about the high Beta counts. I do not know where they are coming from, but suspect some sort of contamination, possibly originating in the north central US.
The normal counts on Radiation Network should parallel the high energy (level 10) counts on gamma rays on EPA site, since most Radiation Network meters are sitting inside a house.

I don't have any specific "radiation credentials" other than an graduate degree in physics/chemistry (called combined sciences at the time) and a post-graduate MD degree.
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lol, I lose, to ignorant to understand you, sorry.
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Last Edited by WindyMind on 08/19/2012 08:33 PM

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