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Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...

 
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Here is your brown dwarf

NASA

brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
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That's not what it says at all...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So far,the mission discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter!!!
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Secondly, its a computer model, whatever is set for the variables in that application will only consider that. It does not account for other unknown mechanics at work.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom

Such as? SUCH AS? Explain to me what mystical force will keep this from happening!
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I am still trying to figure out what gravity really is. Along with everyone else in the world.

We humans really dont know much.
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We do know orbital mechanics well enough to do the above analysis...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Give thanks to the Ancient indigenous human species, whom have carved the knowledge of the Heavens by hand in stone with blood, those whom set the path, not for you, but for all of humanity, which allows you to "know" any orbits, and mechanics of any Heavenly body. Calculations, mathematical, theoretical, scientific, and or astronomical BS from a Earthly point of view expressed from a mere human's limited mental belief system can not, and will not EVER surpass the ancient knowledge one receives within the successful realignment with the Divine Source, L(((O)))VE ...FACT.
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Re: Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...
Here is your brown dwarf

NASA

brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


That's not what it says at all...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So far,the mission discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


No, that's not what it says at all.
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Here is your brown dwarf

NASA

brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


That's not what it says at all...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Actually, this is what it says verbatim:

"It is likely but not a foregone conclusion that WISE could confirm whether or not Tyche exists."

You know, here's what's so amusing. You are more certain that there is not a brown dwarf out there than NASA is. Incredible!
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I am still trying to figure out what gravity really is. Along with everyone else in the world.

We humans really dont know much.
 Quoting: Revguard


We do know orbital mechanics well enough to do the above analysis...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Give thanks to the Ancient indigenous human species, whom have carved the knowledge of the Heavens by hand in stone with blood, those whom set the path, not for you, but for all of humanity, which allows you to "know" any orbits, and mechanics of any Heavenly body. Calculations, mathematical, theoretical, scientific, and or astronomical BS from a Earthly point of view expressed from a mere human's limited mental belief system can not, and will not EVER surpass the ancient knowledge one receives within the successful realignment with the Divine Source, L(((O)))VE ...FACT.
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Another new age woo-woo adds nothing useful to the conversation.
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Re: Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...
Here is your brown dwarf

NASA

brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


That's not what it says at all...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Actually, this is what it says verbatim:

"It is likely but not a foregone conclusion that WISE could confirm whether or not Tyche exists."

You know, here's what's so amusing. You are more certain that there is not a brown dwarf out there than NASA is. Incredible!
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


Tcyhe != Nibiru. At all. Tyche is a hypothetical planet at Oort cloud distances. It has nothing to do with any object of any kind having a 3600 year orbit, nor does it have anything to do with an object approaching the inner solar system. I have said countless times that a brown dwarf could potentially exist at oort cloud distances.

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Re: Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...
Here is your brown dwarf

NASA

brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


That's not what it says at all...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So far,the mission discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


No, that's not what it says at all.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Oh, and here's what else it says:

"Q: If Tyche does exist, why would it have taken so long to find another planet in our solar system?

A: Tyche would be too cold and faint for a visible light telescope to identify. Sensitive infrared telescopes could pick up the glow from such an object, if they looked in the right direction."


Again, you seem to know with absolute certainty something that NASA admits it does not know. Looks like NASA needs to start leaving the job of space exploration to amateur astronomers ;-)at
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astromut....what do u know of what u dont know?......???, u have no ide of anything...why does anyone even listen to you...you just destroy life bc you have no imagination of life.....
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Why does our Earth revolve around sun in a 365 day cycle every time?
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Actually it's 365.25 days, and even that's not the exact number.
why does our moon revolve around Earth, which turns over day and night, around our sun year after year, and yet we only see one side?
 Quoting: AC

Tidal lock. Most moons in the solar system are tidally locked to their parent planet. It's an inevitable consequence of gravity.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Ok, had todo a quick wiki on that to know what it was. AHA! see, celestial bodies DO evolve in unison(just as animal do with Earth!). If a phenomenon as significant as a tidal lock is possible, why not the "Nemesis" theory?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7916217

I'm sorry but that's a giant non-sequitur. That makes no sense whatsoever.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Ok, I am confused. How are you not understanding what I am saying? I will say again.(or maybe you are losing track of conversation with me, seeing as you have many going at once, this is not un plausible)

Tidal locking is a known phenomenon, and it acts in a PRECISE PATTERN, if such a significant pattern happens rite here, why should an equally significant pattern else where be ruled out so quickly just because it would need to be so precise?
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Again, you seem to know with absolute certainty something that NASA admits it does not know.
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Again, you're dead wrong. Tcyhe != Nibiru. At all. Tyche is a hypothetical planet at Oort cloud distances. It has nothing to do with any object of any kind having a 3600 year orbit, nor does it have anything to do with an object approaching the inner solar system. I have said countless times that a brown dwarf could potentially exist at oort cloud distances.
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If I were of a species way more evolved than humans I would know how to sneak up on them. :) That is fact, not woo woo.

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Re: Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...
Here is your brown dwarf

NASA

brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


That's not what it says at all...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So far,the mission discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


Astro proves his dumb ass nature, all knowing shill.

So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.
 Quoting: NASA


Here's a picture, cause you were obviously too fucking lazy to read the article.

[link to img825.imageshack.us]

Oh and here is the original source AGAIN.

source: [link to www.nasa.gov]
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Here is your brown dwarf

NASA

brown dwarf in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312000


That's not what it says at all...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Actually, this is what it says verbatim:

"It is likely but not a foregone conclusion that WISE could confirm whether or not Tyche exists."

You know, here's what's so amusing. You are more certain that there is not a brown dwarf out there than NASA is. Incredible!
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


Tcyhe != Nibiru. At all. Tyche is a hypothetical planet at Oort cloud distances. It has nothing to do with any object of any kind having a 3600 year orbit, nor does it have anything to do with an object approaching the inner solar system.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


And you know this...how? Tyche's existence has only been the subject of recent speculation. If it does exist, you have absolutely no clue where this object was located 3600 years ago. Or are you a helluva lot older than you are letting on?
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Actually it's 365.25 days, and even that's not the exact number.
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Tidal lock. Most moons in the solar system are tidally locked to their parent planet. It's an inevitable consequence of gravity.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Ok, had todo a quick wiki on that to know what it was. AHA! see, celestial bodies DO evolve in unison(just as animal do with Earth!). If a phenomenon as significant as a tidal lock is possible, why not the "Nemesis" theory?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7916217

I'm sorry but that's a giant non-sequitur. That makes no sense whatsoever.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Ok, I am confused. How are you not understanding what I am saying? I will say again.(or maybe you are losing track of conversation with me, seeing as you have many going at once, this is not un plausible)

Tidal locking is a known phenomenon, and it acts in a PRECISE PATTERN, if such a significant pattern happens rite here, why should an equally significant pattern else where be ruled out so quickly just because it would need to be so precise?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7916217

You're not making any sense at all. Tidal locking has nothing to do with the claim being dealt with here.
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So come up to the lab and see what's on the slab. I see you shiver with antici... pation.
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Secondly, its a computer model, whatever is set for the variables in that application will only consider that. It does not account for other unknown mechanics at work.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom

Such as? SUCH AS? Explain to me what mystical force will keep this from happening!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I agree with the mut on this one. While I do believe that such unknown forces may exist, how can you take into account that which you do not exists? It most surely would lead to random outcomes.
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I wonder if these simulations account for the distance the sun and earth travel through space each year....some 4.7 billion miles.

Because of this we are orbiting the sun through space is a helix pattern and not an elliptical orbit...never in the same 'space' twice.
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That's not what it says at all...
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Actually, this is what it says verbatim:

"It is likely but not a foregone conclusion that WISE could confirm whether or not Tyche exists."

You know, here's what's so amusing. You are more certain that there is not a brown dwarf out there than NASA is. Incredible!
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


Tcyhe != Nibiru. At all. Tyche is a hypothetical planet at Oort cloud distances. It has nothing to do with any object of any kind having a 3600 year orbit, nor does it have anything to do with an object approaching the inner solar system.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


And you know this...how?
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo

Because the theory is specific as to its location in the solar system, ie, oort cloud distances.
Tyche's existence has only been the subject of recent speculation.
 Quoting: cass

Irrelevant, the theory is specific as to its distance.
If it does exist, you have absolutely no clue where this object was located 3600 years ago.
 Quoting: cass

Clearly you don't understand how orbits work and how orbital distance relates to orbital period.
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Dr. Astro. Hello . I have a question for you. Has NASA updated the distances between planets lately?
funny thing happened the other day...

oh yea ,your fired...!
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Nice demonstration.

Who's to say the Anunnaki have or have not the technology that manipulates gravity.
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well, let's see. we appear to have two options here:

1. nibiru is a giant brown dwarf in our solar system inhabited by magic men technologically capable of altering the fabric of reality so as to negate the gravitational effects of their planet/star on neighboring bodies

2. you're a fucking idiot

tough choice
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LMAO - I don't care who you are, that is some funny stuff right there.

Damn the internet is a tough place sometimes. Even the debunkers get debunked for debunking!!!
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Astro, just out of curiosity, would much change from the analysis if, for example, the orbit of a brown dwarf were longer, say 10,500 years? Or would the basics remain the same?

scratching
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Where does that number come from? It would be basically the same, just slower.
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Basically the same, yet slower. Okay, I agree with you. Once it left, would that give our solar system enough time to re-stabalize, so to speak, and as it got closer again, it would start to slowly cause disruptions?
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Whoa!! Whoa!! Hold up!! Am I missing somthing here?

Did I miss Astros reply to this Zetamax post?
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Zetamax is a troll. Frankly he's about last on my priority list of things to address. A word about "maxi" from the horse's mouth:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Do keep that in mind if you seriously think he's making sense.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well...I find him fun and somewhat interesting, plus it seems he don't come on too often...Anyway, you nitpicked at the post and replied to crappy parts...I guess the AC can do whatever he wants but it seemed rather theatrical to me.
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Thanks Chucky. The truth be told, Astromut is just plain tired of being

pwned

And so he takes the "long way home".
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I think Dr. Astros science is good and there are mystical forces. Normally those mystical forces as far as I know don't create big planets. :)

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Dr. Astro. Hello . I have a question for you. Has NASA updated the distances between planets lately?
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Occasionally NASA will re-analyze the astrometric data to squeeze a little more accuracy out of the orbital determinations for the sake of a mission to a planet to try to hit it with their probe as accurately as possible, but most of this involves careful calibration of very old astrometric data from the pre-digital era, though when a probe arrives they can get even better accuracy using telemetry than can be achieved by optical means. They don't specifically update the "distances" per se.
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You are certainly obsessed with this little brown dwarf that doesn't exist...hmmmm.
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Yeah, for a purely "hypothetical" object that is supposedly most bullshit... I don't understand why Astromut spends hundreds of hours debunking this. That can not be denied, anyone who is on GLP regularly knows about his obessesion with commenting on nearly every "nibiru" thread that arises. Chances are, if there is in fact something there that is relatively close, it would be an object that we either very little or no understanding of. Perhaps some fringe gov. agency would know about something like that, but I doubt Astromut would be privileged to that information. I am not saying Nibiru exists or doesn't, but I do believe that Astromut has a particular infatuation with it.
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So what? Perhaps he is doing a public service by providing information that when rationalised makes perfect sense?

Thousands of 'holy' men do the same thing every day, just like people who believe in an inbound object. They have a story of their version of events, don't they?

He's not dicking with anyone, he's offering an opinion based on what he knows and asking YOU to consider that opinion. Besides maybe he's proud of his hobby/work and is in a position to advise people how things work as collectively understood by mankind?

Shame on Nibiru believers for dissing his efforts to inform people - even if it ends in him being totally wrong?

FFS, shooting the messenger never solved the problem.
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You sir, are the sanest person on this site. Thank you Astromut.
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OMG!, so we are DOOM
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Your on the mike right now? How can you do that and type?

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