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Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...

 
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great post!

here's a question though.. i know the 'nemesis' theory has been tossed.. but what if it wasn't a brown dwarf .. what if it was a red dwarf? or something else much smaller than a brown dwarf with 4 times the mass of Jupiter or whatever?
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I was thinking the same thing, but then I remembered that Mr. Mut has indicated that all the historic writings, stone carvings, geological records, and pretty much all the evidence found to date, IS ACTUALLY PART OF A HUGE CONSPIRACY TO MAKE US LOOK STUPID for thinking we were smart enough to put this all together and that maybe, just maybe, we might be close to another one of these cycles.
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Good job Astro!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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The solar system would not be a very stable or pleasant place if there were even a minimum mass brown dwarf passing through it every 3600 years...

Low inclination orbits of the planets? Forget about it!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Whomever made the video is

(1) chronocentric to the extreme.
(2) They have apparently not heard of Immanuel Velikovsky;
(3) they have apparently not heard of early archeological astronomy calculations of the ancients;
(4) they have not heard of modern day physics in the context of Bode's Law and the natural fast repair of planetary locations after perturbations due to gravitoelectrical solar charges.

Let's evaluate each of these points a bit and elaborate:

(1) Chronocentric to the extreme: The video producer assumes that a change in planetary orbits could not have happened in the past because he sees order now. FALSE ASSUMPTION. What does he know about orbital mechanics that would suggest his assumption is anything near accurate? NOTHING. He's just ASS-U-MEing that if there were past orbital disruptions that there would be evidence of same right now today. This is, as I said, an assumption and he has presented no case that his assumptions have any basis in fact.

(2) They have apparently not heard of Immanuel Velikovsky... Velikovsly wrote 5 massive tomes in which he collected, collated, and synthesized ancient legends and histories from all over the globe. The outcome was that Venus was a new planet and was, prior to its capture, a comet having been ripped from Jupiter by an invasive astronomical body foreign to the Solar System. He discusses Tiamat and Marduk and other Sumerian scripts, much like Sitchin, in which profound chaos existed in the Solar System in the past causing absolutely incredible terrestrial effects, mass extinctions, earth changes, volcanism, tsunamis, and other chaos. He wrote that Venus' period as a comet caused repeated effects on Gaia and that it terrorized human culture for a large number of years. In short, the orbits of all the planets WERE historically perturbed into chaos -- and then the restabilized.

(3) the video producer has apparently not heard of early archeological astronomy calculations of the ancients. Consider the Sumerians and their calculations and legends associated with their calendar/calculations:
(a) Tiamat: [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
(b) Tiamat/comet: [link to www.sitchin.com]
(c) Marduk (Mars) and Tiamat (the planet that was destroyed becoming 1) part of the asteroid belt and 2) earth: [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
(d) Velikovsky: Worlds in Collision: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
(e) Velikovsky's "Comet Venus": [link to www.gks.uk.com]
(f) Mayan calendar chaos: [link to www.triumphpro.com]
(g) 360-day year (5 days shorter than now): [link to www.friendsofsabbath.org]
(h) much, much more...

(4) they have not heard of modern day physics in the context of Bode's Law and the natural fast repair of planetary locations after perturbations due to gravitoelectrical solar charges.
(a) "A number of computer simulations have, over the years, revealed that planetary systems ought to eventually stabilise into a regular pattern of planetary distances as a consequence of both their initial formation spacing, and billions of years of gravitational perturbations..." [link to www.math.nus.edu.sg]

So, in short... video producer/astronomer does nothing to account for any of the 4 points above. It is theoretically possible that an incoming perturbing body totally screwed up the orbitals and eccentricities of all the planets and caused massive upheaval globally and, once they perturbing body left, the planets eventually reassumed their appropriate orbitals dues to Bode's law. The Video producer must disprove this theory proposed here if he wishes to have any credibility in his own weak presentation.
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Astro hasnt PROVED shit. that..in itself...is FACT
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The geek in the video had a voice that reminded me of someone not even sure of his manhood.
 Quoting: Astro Poo 3819049

Another idiot who decides to attack me because he doesn't like my voice. By the way, intelligent and beautiful women appreciate men with PhDs.



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Good job Astro!
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On the contrary, crappy job, Astro.
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Astro,the only thing exactly right is your computer program. It is right in the form of its hypothetical programming based on the hypothetical beliefs of men with a hypothesis only barely tested and proven....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1080440

Barely tested and proven eh?
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
Arcsecond accuracy with a 30 year integration of the solar system's motion is pretty damn good.
you are talented, but not gifted,
 Quoting: AC

My pinky finger is more gifted in astronomy than your entire body.
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Re: Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...
Astro,the only thing exactly right is your computer program. It is right in the form of its hypothetical programming based on the hypothetical beliefs of men with a hypothesis only barely tested and proven....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1080440

Barely tested and proven eh?
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
Arcsecond accuracy with a 30 year integration of the solar system's motion is pretty damn good.
you are talented, but not gifted,
 Quoting: AC

My pinky finger is more gifted in astronomy than your entire body.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


His repressed nerd is taking over and he is resulting to communications of "our level"...
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Astro,the only thing exactly right is your computer program. It is right in the form of its hypothetical programming based on the hypothetical beliefs of men with a hypothesis only barely tested and proven....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1080440

Barely tested and proven eh?
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
Arcsecond accuracy with a 30 year integration of the solar system's motion is pretty damn good.
you are talented, but not gifted,
 Quoting: AC

My pinky finger is more gifted in astronomy than your entire body.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Struck a chord there eh guy?...wrap a warm towel around your head and drink some soup...you will feel better.
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Astro, is that your mom calling you to get off the computer and come for dinner?

Phd - MY ASS
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Re: Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...
The geek in the video had a voice that reminded me of someone not even sure of his manhood.
 Quoting: Astro Poo 3819049

Another idiot who decides to attack me because he doesn't like my voice. By the way, intelligent and beautiful women appreciate men with PhDs.
Who said the dwarf would enter the solar system exactly the way you did your analysis? Size, Orbit, Speed has a complete different outcome when changing any of it.
 Quoting: poo

The orbit was based on the Nibiru claim itself, that it approaches "from the south" perpendicular to ecliptic, it has a 3600 year orbit, and that it or one of its planets/moons had a collision with another object to create the asteroid belt. Changing the trajectory would not change the overall result, a jumbled solar system. It's not going to magically remain stable if I change the angle of its approach, and the speed is determined by the size of the orbit, given by the fact that it's supposed to be a 3600 year orbit.
Again, all of this comes from a Kool Aid holic that believes we landed on the moon in a tin can with the technology that would make the old TRS-80 Radio Shack computer look like a Super Computer of 2012.
 Quoting: poo

I've verified for myself that the apollo guidance computer works for navigating to the moon and back.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


LOL!!! Not to be an asshole to you Astro, but from my experiences the overwhelming majority of people with a PhD are and typically difficult to relate too. That's why most of the professors at my old university were single. If they were married, the spouse was always another in academia... This is coming from the mouths of a couple professors I worked with for awhile. They also mentioned several of their colleagues got married for tax reasons tounge

Unfortunately in our dumbed-down, media drive, egocentric society, woman want a man with money. I hope your not in the research side of your field... the pay is usually abhorred for the level of education a PhD recipient has.
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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Anyone with a fucking google search bar can rewrite PHD level literature on any studied subject.
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Astro,the only thing exactly right is your computer program. It is right in the form of its hypothetical programming based on the hypothetical beliefs of men with a hypothesis only barely tested and proven....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1080440

Barely tested and proven eh?
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
Arcsecond accuracy with a 30 year integration of the solar system's motion is pretty damn good.
you are talented, but not gifted,
 Quoting: AC

My pinky finger is more gifted in astronomy than your entire body.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yet you remain 'socially retarded'.

How does that feel?
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Anyone with a fucking google search bar can rewrite PHD level literature on any studied subject.
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This
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Good job, Astro man.

Now, let's wait to hear from the folk that prescribe to the theory that Nibiru shifts into our dimension before it approaches..........
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oh man... HAHAhahahahaaa.

My hat is off to ya for adding a whole new... dimension(see what I did there?) err <ahem> something.. to this issue.

damn well done sir.
props! :)
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Re: Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...
(2) They have apparently not heard of Immanuel Velikovsky;
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 869178

I have and he's full of shit.

(3) they have apparently not heard of early archeological astronomy calculations of the ancients;
 Quoting: AC

I have and they're nowhere near as advanced as our calculations.
(4) they have not heard of modern day physics in the context of Bode's Law and the natural fast repair of planetary locations after perturbations due to gravitoelectrical solar charges.
 Quoting: AC

Bode's law goes to shit when you introduce a highly elliptical brown dwarf like this into the equation. I see you're an electric universe tard. What a shocker.
(1) Chronocentric to the extreme: The video producer assumes that a change in planetary orbits could not have happened in the past because he sees order now. FALSE ASSUMPTION. What does he know about orbital mechanics that would suggest his assumption is anything near accurate?
 Quoting: AC

Lots. Orbital mechanics works. I've put it to use many times.
NOTHING. He's just ASS-U-MEing that if there were past orbital disruptions that there would be evidence of same right now today.
 Quoting: AC

No, I'm not. My analysis of the solar system's motion shows that there would be evidence today, LOTS of evidence, in the form of highly inclined and eccentric orbits of the planets.
(a) "A number of computer simulations have, over the years, revealed that planetary systems ought to eventually stabilise into a regular pattern of planetary distances as a consequence of both their initial formation spacing, and billions of years of gravitational perturbations..." [link to www.math.nus.edu.sg]
 Quoting: AC

Which again, you were too ignorant to realize does not apply here because a highly eccentric brown dwarf is said to exist which throws that all to shit. It passes through the system every 3600 years, not once every few billion years.
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Ok man, I respect your effort to prove something that has become a mainstream nowadays - I do understand the fact that you may be sick of reading ppl talking about something which existence hasn't been proved so far... I appreciate that 'coz I think that we NEED IT! This is what make us think and this is what distinguishes us of all the other animals - we THINK!

But considering the fact that you're dealing with something whose mass is unknown, and so does its speed, size and composition - what is it made of, how could it affect (or not) the other planet's gravity (which you also don't know)...

My point is: you are basing you whole argument on one thing that is itself dependable of other things which you don't know .

I'm not saying that you are wrong - maybe this is the best way to study it and seek the truth (which whatever it is seems to be well-hidden). However, without those ESSENTIAL informations, it's just impossible to predict any sort of planetary behavior of any kind - and this is not just my opinion, this is physics!

We're all in the same team though - the ppl who knows nothing haha - we must stick together, think together. This is why we're all here, to share information and unfold the truth - at least this is why I AM here.

Peace ;)
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aaaaaaaaand... quote again
 Quoting: Donthave

You're awfully impatient aren't you? NEWSFLASH, I'm just one person, I'm not a shill, and I'm not some account manned by an army of shills that can address 4 pages of questions all at once. I know how gravity acts, orbital mechanics works, really fucking well, which is why I can predict the future positions of planets like Saturn decades into the future to arcsecond accuracy using nothing the initial starting position, velocity, and masses of those planets. Oh, but you ignore stuff like Voyager, you act like it's all fake. Well at that point friend, there's nothing anyone can do to help you. At some point you're going to have to wake up on your own and realize that the evidence is not fake, some of us really do know what we're talking about, and orbital mechanics really does work.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Astromut is making extremely arrogant and frankly ABSURD arguments. He's spouting off conjecture "as if" it was FACT. But the fact is, modern astronomy is in it's comparative INFANCY.

How do I know, because BROWN DWARFS didn't even get there freakin NAME until Jill Tarter coined it in 1975 [link to en.wikipedia.org] when I was in middle school (and Astromut was still swimming in his father's scrotum). Yea - orbital mechanics work "pretty well" within a stable solar system - ah, but then you're assuming that "stability" is the NORM. But how can that be when you look around the solar system and see Uranus on it's side (relative to the sun's ecliptic), Mars with missing oceans (or at least Great Lakes) [And what THE HELL is that big scar accross half it's face - oh yea, a LOT of scientists now think it's an ELECTRICAL scar from a vast lightning exchange with some other massive celestial object], half of our moon heavily cratered, the other half NOT!, etc. etc. And where the fuck did the asteroid belt come from, Astromut? The EVIDENCE suggests that in fact the orbits of the planets are anything BUT stable over millions of years. Hundreds? yes. Thousands? Yes, but less so - read Velikovsky's research on the testimony of ancient cultures from around the globe.

Astromut FOOLISHLY assumes that disrupted orbits STAY disrupted until disrupted again by an external agency. BUT what if in fact, there are OTHER factors than "just" gravity at work that causes planets to return to some form of stability rather quickly - over a span of just a few hundred years? For that is IN FACT what the ancients suggest. MAGNETISM can be repulsive - as anyone playing with bar magnents quickly discovers. Hell - even GRAVITY has been theorized to be REPULSIVE in certain conditions.

That topic was treated in another thread I wrote some years ago now.

Thread: ZetaMax: Zetas RIGHT Again! - Gravitational Repulsion Force

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Anyone else notice how many AC posts track back to Astromut?

I have seen at least 4 different User ID's from ACs that track back to him.
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I dont remember all these bright stars (planets) in my youth.

Hell these bright ones (planets) in the last 5 weeks early morning are just freaky.

Been around over half century and some of the stuff in the last 5-6 years is just unseen before.

Of course you will say its normal.
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It IS normal. Venus is currently about magnitude -4, this is predicted using a formula created over 60 years ago.

The original phase coefficient determined by Danjon some 63 years ago was this:
V(1,0)+ delta m(i) = -4.29 + 0.09(i/100)+ 2.39(i/100)^2 - 0.65(i/100)^3
where the formula for the visual magnitude of the planet is
V = V(1,0) + 5 log10(rd) + delta m(i)
V(1,0) = the magnitude of the planet as seen from 1 AU and a phase angle of 0°
r = distance of planet from sun
d = distance of planet from earth
delta m(i) = phase coefficient for the phase angle "i"
More refined solutions were determined by Knuckles and Irvine in the 60's, but the basic premise is the same. This formula was empirically determined by Danjon from 335 observations spanning 10 years.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro




I was going to say exactly the same thing…

Well done mutt.
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Astro,the only thing exactly right is your computer program. It is right in the form of its hypothetical programming based on the hypothetical beliefs of men with a hypothesis only barely tested and proven....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1080440

Barely tested and proven eh?
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
Arcsecond accuracy with a 30 year integration of the solar system's motion is pretty damn good.
you are talented, but not gifted,
 Quoting: AC

My pinky finger is more gifted in astronomy than your entire body.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yet you remain 'socially retarded'.

How does that feel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1306067


I don't care what you think. My hot girlfriend begs to differ.
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Too bad Niburu is a planet
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Anyone else notice how many AC posts track back to Astromut?

I have seen at least 4 different User ID's from ACs that track back to him.
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People posting from their phones. I post from mine quite a bit.
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Or... not to mention IF there was anything else orbiting in our solar system that it would be VISIBLE at least a decade before it all of a sudden showed up.

This is where the tards majorly fail.

No Nibiru, No brown dwarf.. no NOTHING.

Especially not going to show up ALL OF A SUDDEN... you would see it coming FOR YEARS.
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Astro,the only thing exactly right is your computer program. It is right in the form of its hypothetical programming based on the hypothetical beliefs of men with a hypothesis only barely tested and proven....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1080440

Barely tested and proven eh?
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
Arcsecond accuracy with a 30 year integration of the solar system's motion is pretty damn good.
you are talented, but not gifted,
 Quoting: AC

My pinky finger is more gifted in astronomy than your entire body.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yet you remain 'socially retarded'.

How does that feel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1306067


I don't care what you think. My hot girlfriend begs to differ.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well lets see his picture...shall we?
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Astro, is that your mom calling you to get off the computer and come for dinner?

Phd - MY ASS
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Go ask SHR. Go on, ask him. He knows I actually do have it.
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Astro,the only thing exactly right is your computer program. It is right in the form of its hypothetical programming based on the hypothetical beliefs of men with a hypothesis only barely tested and proven....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1080440

Barely tested and proven eh?
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
Arcsecond accuracy with a 30 year integration of the solar system's motion is pretty damn good.
you are talented, but not gifted,
 Quoting: AC

My pinky finger is more gifted in astronomy than your entire body.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yet you remain 'socially retarded'.

How does that feel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1306067


I don't care what you think. My hot girlfriend begs to differ.
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GAHAHAHAHAHAH I LITERALLYLAUGH OUT LOUD...Astro, fuck this bro, you aint worth it.Not worth a damn. Im leaving this thread, oh man i feel kinf of bad for you bud. Good Luck.

laugh
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Barely tested and proven eh?
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
Arcsecond accuracy with a 30 year integration of the solar system's motion is pretty damn good.
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My pinky finger is more gifted in astronomy than your entire body.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yet you remain 'socially retarded'.

How does that feel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1306067


I don't care what you think. My hot girlfriend begs to differ.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well lets see his picture...shall we?
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I see hooked on phonics failed you.
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Astro, is that your mom calling you to get off the computer and come for dinner?

Phd - MY ASS
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Go ask SHR. Go on, ask him. He knows I actually do have it.
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SHR is a JACKASS the same category as you my friend. Show the papers or sign off dickhead

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