Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...

He has absolutely no idea how this brown dwarf is going to approach our solar system. And if you'll notice in the video... in order to throw all the planets out of wack and off their original plane... he creates only one possibility in order to create the mess he is suggesting... when in actuality there are hundreds, if not thousands of possibilities due to various positions the planets could be sitting in their orbits... if and when this brown dwarf finally does comes through our solar system. That to me would be like trying to predict the temperature at noon in Chicago on April 30th 2044. Impossible... to say the least.

If such a thing were in the asteroid belt, we'd all know about it.
Thread: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*

This thread reminds me that we are in some deep shit in this old world. Some of you all have the ignorance disease real bad.

stop ruining my doom. I'm looking forward to it lmao

It wouldn't fucking matter, the end result would still be a jumbled mess, just a different jumble. If you want to see for yourself, download the program and run it on your own computer. I didn't play some trick by carefully positioning the planets.

Listen, you're not the authority. Titus-Bode Law dictates exactly how far away from the Sun a given planet's orbital shell will fall. This is an electric harmonic wave that dictates where the planet will orbit in distance from the sun; angular momentum of the electric wave dictates the eccentricity.

So, quit with your trite stupidity.

LMFAO! I'm more an authority than you. It's irrelevant here, it says nothing about the effect a perturbing brown dwarf would have! It assumes a stable solar system.

It would matter... especially if this brown dwarf were on the exact same plane as the rest of our planets... which it very well could be.

It's because you are doing the standard GLP kOOk thing...

In your arrogant ignorance, you've entered a discussion on a topic of which you have no, none, zero, 0, knowledge.
Therefore your statements are completely illucid gibberish to those who know the subject.

You may as well be saying, "Bar, bar, bar. Glimph, snorkle, glub.", because that's what it sounds like. It's just that you're too ignorant to realize you are making no sense.

Don't feel badly. There are quite a few on this thread who are as bad or worse than you.
I'm thinking the skateboarding, 5th grade, gas-mask moron at this point.
He makes even less sense than you and is much more arrogant in his abject ignorance.


R.

The beauty of perspective

[link to www.youtube.com]

The standard claim is that it's perpendicular and would therefore have no effects. That's why I set out to debunk it. If it were in the plane of our solar system it would have a greater effect on eccentricities and less of an effect on inclination, but the end result would still be a different jumbled mess. Go on, try it yourself.

A continuance then? When I said math, I meant numbers of Earth and moon. That is equation, it is not quite what I asked but none the less, with that equation, you can put in the known numbers and supply the answer, so I will accept it.

And I will try and whip up a real quick equation here, seeing as I cannot simply look one up on the internet.

Meh, I concede that I was hasty in using that as a reference to support my argument

BUT



Source: [link to www.astronomy.com]

I don't myself believe this is happening, but the question does beg, when?

It is bound to happen eventually.

This really gets tiresome.

It only takes a roughly 25% increase in speed for an orbiting object to reach escape velocity.

The sling shot effect of passing objects provides up to a 3 times increase in speed.

A heavy object (Jupiter x 10) entering the solar system particularly in plane will clear out the solar system after a relatively few number of passes. All the planets would be in the sun or on their way out.

its funny watching ignorant people argue with someone who knows what hes talking about. they base their entire knowledge off "facts" they have read from GLP.

Notice he said BROWN DWARF. Why didn't he say any planet any asteroid any anomoly. Zeroing on the nibiru thing again. You just hade a thread up about Nibiru. Two days ago? This is just another repeat. Another thing. The Video. He Clearly does not Identify Himself with any Reputable Group or Organization. This does not convince me one way or the other. If your going to be taken seriously then might not you post a video that can be clearly linked with a governing body. Who has the respect of the people they serve and the equipment in place as they do. This is your second attempt at debunking Planet X is as many days?

Good lord.

You are functionally illiterate and arguing science with adults.
It isn't even amusing.

Go back to 2nd grade and learn how to read before you speak to adults.

Get off the skateboard, pull your pants up, tuck your shirt in, turn your ballcap around and get back to grade school you twit. How do you expect to get your GED when you can't even read the instructions on the application?

You have a bright future in the food service industry or in the lawn service industry.


R.

Disliking you a little for showing me how screwed we really are. With non-thinking sheep like this around, we really don't have a chance. They'll drag us down with them.

And I'm just about sick of this palnet x/nibiru crap. Bunch of kids fantasizing about planetary catastrophe?!?!?

Feel better now?

I read through in haste and concluded this to argue against how the models are actually proven since we have only gathered this knowledge in roughly the last few decades.

That was actually my entire argument from the beginning. I have already retracted that assumption in a previous post.

Anyhow, how does this add productively to the thread?

Great post.

Sadly won't convince nibirutards... Untill dec 22 O_o

Then again, it'll get pushed back to another date

Thanks for this post Astromut.

they'll say it passed through a wormhole or some shit, and got sent an extra lightyear away but is still heading here. supporting evidence : youtube videos

Asteroid? Did you say asteroid?
Thread: Here's what a real cosmic threat looks like

The last one was a specific case of such an object rapidly approaching us, this is a general scenario to see if such a system is even stable. This Nibiru fun has an expiration date on it, or at least a "best-by" date of December 21st. I'm going to do the best I can to address it and debunk it until then.

An inverse of the appeal to authority logical fallacy. In fact, you're really suggesting that I should have used an appeal to authority.

No, I don't work for the government and the people who I made the video for wouldn't pay attention to it if I did.

PM*PS=PE(PE-SHE=CEPT)CEPT+ERRH-SHE=UCP is the answer!!!!

PM: Planet Mass

PS: planet speed

PE: potential energy

SHE: speed lost during hill sphere escape

CEPT: Conditioned energy at produced trajectory.

ERRH: Energy regained during opposing hill sphere re entry

UCP= ultimate condition path.

Well um.... Of course you could never actually calculate anything with that, but I don't plan on sitting down for three years coming up with one that will work.

Still my proposition cannot be overlooked, you are saying the lack of evidence for it justifies it as non existent, clearly not a good way to go about thinking thing.

Asteroid? Did you say asteroid?
Thread: Here's what a real cosmic threat looks like

The last one was a specific case of such an object rapidly approaching us, this is a general scenario to see if such a system is even stable. This Nibiru fun has an expiration date on it, or at least a "best-by" date of December 21st. I'm going to do the best I can to address it and debunk it until then.

An inverse of the appeal to authority logical fallacy. In fact, you're really suggesting that I should have used an appeal to authority.

No, I don't work for the government and the people who I made the video for wouldn't pay attention to it if I did.

So then would the model be roughly the same even for different class dwarfs? Here is some data to research your answer.

Serious question too.

[link to www.gemini.edu]

I've got a bit of experience in plotting my own interplanetary orbits for simulated missions, so believe me when I say, your proposition is anything but reasonable and I want to see you plot such an orbit. It's your proposition, not mine, it's up to you to show that it's reasonable.

A minimum mass brown dwarf is a generous assumption. If you start talking about any other kind of dwarf star it gets worse. The paper you linked to seems focused on stellar class, but mass is the question here. I'm not talking about whether it'd emit enough light on its own to be easily visible or not (without considering reflected sunlight, of course).

Last Edited by Astromut on 08/16/2012 12:12 AM

Hard to play a devils advocate with such limited data.

Thanks for your clarity Astro.