Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...

I've got a bit of experience in plotting my own interplanetary orbits for simulated missions, so believe me when I say, your proposition is anything but reasonable and I want to see you plot such an orbit. It's your proposition, not mine, it's up to you to show that it's reasonable.

Asteroid? Did you say asteroid?
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The last one was a specific case of such an object rapidly approaching us, this is a general scenario to see if such a system is even stable. This Nibiru fun has an expiration date on it, or at least a "best-by" date of December 21st. I'm going to do the best I can to address it and debunk it until then.

An inverse of the appeal to authority logical fallacy. In fact, you're really suggesting that I should have used an appeal to authority.

No, I don't work for the government and the people who I made the video for wouldn't pay attention to it if I did.

Hard for someone to calculate is one thing, but for it to be real is another.

Ha. You're joking right? Mystery planet X has a million different names and a million different dates, it's going to survive 2012 as long as we do :)

It's up to you to show that a valid stable orbit could even be constructed. Not me.

It's up to you to show that a valid stable orbit could even be constructed. Not me.

It's because you are doing the standard GLP kOOk thing...

In your arrogant ignorance, you've entered a discussion on a topic of which you have no, none, zero, 0, knowledge.
Therefore your statements are completely illucid gibberish to those who know the subject.

You may as well be saying, "Bar, bar, bar. Glimph, snorkle, glub.", because that's what it sounds like. It's just that you're too ignorant to realize you are making no sense.

Don't feel badly. There are quite a few on this thread who are as bad or worse than you.
I'm thinking the skateboarding, 5th grade, gas-mask moron at this point.
He makes even less sense than you and is much more arrogant in his abject ignorance.


R.

Whomever made the video is

(1) chronocentric to the extreme.
(2) They have apparently not heard of Immanuel Velikovsky;
(3) they have apparently not heard of early archeological astronomy calculations of the ancients;
(4) they have not heard of modern day physics in the context of Bode's Law and the natural fast repair of planetary locations after perturbations due to gravitoelectrical solar charges.

Let's evaluate each of these points a bit and elaborate:

(1) Chronocentric to the extreme: The video producer assumes that a change in planetary orbits could not have happened in the past because he sees order now. FALSE ASSUMPTION. What does he know about orbital mechanics that would suggest his assumption is anything near accurate? NOTHING. He's just ASS-U-MEing that if there were past orbital disruptions that there would be evidence of same right now today. This is, as I said, an assumption and he has presented no case that his assumptions have any basis in fact.

(2) They have apparently not heard of Immanuel Velikovsky... Velikovsly wrote 5 massive tomes in which he collected, collated, and synthesized ancient legends and histories from all over the globe. The outcome was that Venus was a new planet and was, prior to its capture, a comet having been ripped from Jupiter by an invasive astronomical body foreign to the Solar System. He discusses Tiamat and Marduk and other Sumerian scripts, much like Sitchin, in which profound chaos existed in the Solar System in the past causing absolutely incredible terrestrial effects, mass extinctions, earth changes, volcanism, tsunamis, and other chaos. He wrote that Venus' period as a comet caused repeated effects on Gaia and that it terrorized human culture for a large number of years. In short, the orbits of all the planets WERE historically perturbed into chaos -- and then the restabilized.

(3) the video producer has apparently not heard of early archeological astronomy calculations of the ancients. Consider the Sumerians and their calculations and legends associated with their calendar/calculations:
(a) Tiamat: [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
(b) Tiamat/comet: [link to www.sitchin.com]
(c) Marduk (Mars) and Tiamat (the planet that was destroyed becoming 1) part of the asteroid belt and 2) earth: [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
(d) Velikovsky: Worlds in Collision: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
(e) Velikovsky's "Comet Venus": [link to www.gks.uk.com]
(f) Mayan calendar chaos: [link to www.triumphpro.com]
(g) 360-day year (5 days shorter than now): [link to www.friendsofsabbath.org]
(h) much, much more...

(4) they have not heard of modern day physics in the context of Bode's Law and the natural fast repair of planetary locations after perturbations due to gravitoelectrical solar charges.
(a) "A number of computer simulations have, over the years, revealed that planetary systems ought to eventually stabilise into a regular pattern of planetary distances as a consequence of both their initial formation spacing, and billions of years of gravitational perturbations..." [link to www.math.nus.edu.sg]

So, in short... video producer/astronomer does nothing to account for any of the 4 points above. It is theoretically possible that an incoming perturbing body totally screwed up the orbitals and eccentricities of all the planets and caused massive upheaval globally and, once they perturbing body left, the planets eventually reassumed their appropriate orbitals dues to Bode's law. The Video producer must disprove this theory proposed here if he wishes to have any credibility in his own weak presentation.

I was thinking the same thing, but then I remembered that Mr. Mut has indicated that all the historic writings, stone carvings, geological records, and pretty much all the evidence found to date, IS ACTUALLY PART OF A HUGE CONSPIRACY TO MAKE US LOOK STUPID for thinking we were smart enough to put this all together and that maybe, just maybe, we might be close to another one of these cycles.

LMFAO! I'm more an authority than you. It's irrelevant here, it says nothing about the effect a perturbing brown dwarf would have! It assumes a stable solar system.

wonderful presentation. great job putting together all that data.!

KEY THING HERE IS THO ..

WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A HUGE AND MASSIVE BROWN DWARF STAR.

i mean OBVIOUSLY?

that was an idea and theory presented by those to spin the truth of the cyclical return of a particular extraterrestrial group of beings. and whatever the technology is they use to get here, may or may not be planet sized at all. they could be cloaking themselves in a way to appear as a "brown dwarf star" OR MORE ACCURATE TO APPEARANCE, creating a gravity well of seemingly disturbed space at times..

but even if they do have planet sized technology they use, this technology would almost definitely consist of mechanics that allow for the least amount of gravitational resistance or disturbance to be applied the the immediate environment of the body. this would be the first sort of "safety measure" i would assume would be thought of with this sort of technology.

The solar system would not be a very stable or pleasant place if there were even a minimum mass brown dwarf passing through it every 3600 years...

"Big comets" are low mass objects that have quite a small physical nucleus compared to planets. They shouldn't have effects on planetary orbits.

Wrong.
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

I think most people will realize it's bullshit after this year.

Astro,

I didn't even watch the video or even read most of this thread, but from what I've seen you post as I lurked back in the day(just registered today!) I gotta say you know quite a bit. Keep it up, we don't need to be afraid of something we have no proof of when the world is going to shit because of the people here, ON THIS PLANET!

Thanks man

LOL spot on!

You don't watch the video or read most of the post but Hey! Astro knows what he's talking about? Ya Right. Just like you do you fountain of unread unseen information. Guessing just like Astro.