A true christian would never eat meat....

WTF???

Dimensions = frequency (rate of vibration)

Higher dimensions = Higher frequency

Lower dimensions = Lower frequency

I believe if such a figurative 'hell' were to exist, it would just be a plane of low frequency existence.... But here is the kicker, you do not get cast or relegated to such an existence by any other entity. You decide your own fate because you have control over the frequency or vibrational rate of your spirit. If you end up in a cold and dark place, it's because you led yourself down that path to a low frequency existence - not because there is some external Judge & Executioner determining the fate of a soul based on his own preferences and criteria.... Like attracts like... The Law of Attraction.... If you choose to identify with negative energy, you will find yourself surrounded by negative energy and similar negative entities in the astral realm. I don't believe any spirit is stuck anywhere and that each one possesses the free will to move up and down the dimensional ladder as their actions and frequency/vibration dictates. You can only exist in a plane that is compatible with your frequency. I.E. low frequency entities could not exist within a higher dimensional plane because they would be incompatible.

Jesus fed his followers fish

Durp.

Well, there are other issues that create a problem with it.

I've said it before, but I'll state this again... God is BETTER than I am.

Now, if we, as humans, would never punish someone eternally for something done during a single short lifetime, then God most certainly would not.

The level of absolute sadism in such a thing is staggering.

Hell cannot be reconciled with a god who is even CAPABLE of love, much less a god who IS LOVE personified.

hsck of a theory, but based on that i would have to ask:
where did your soul come from?
what/who created, or where did the existance derive from?

Because GOD SAYS IN HIS WORD TO EAT YOU WACK JOB!!!! WE( GENTILES) DO NOT.....REPEAT....WE DO NOT LIVE UNDER THE OLD LAW ...WE LIVE UNDER GRACE!!!!!! GOD COMMANDED THE EATING OF CLEAN AND UNCLEAN ANIMALS FOR THE jewish people ONLYYYYYYY!!!!!
IT BOGGLES MY MIND HOW U PPL CAN SAY U ARE CHRISTIAN WHEN U DONT HAVE AN OUNCE OF DISCERNING SPIRIT WHATSOEVER.....NOR DO YOU KNOW OR UNDERSTAND THE WORD OF MIGHTY GOD!!!!.
UNTIL YOU DO.........STOP POSTING UR RETARTED CRAP!!! MAN MN THEOLOGIES!!!!

that does make more sence, i agree, but if its true or not is hard to fathom.
tbh, as a believer, it shouldnt worry about it either way, but when i teach, i like to teach what i believe is true.
i usually only talk about hell if the topics brought up though.

A True Christian Obeys the Word of God and not leftist antichrists.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. I Timothy 4:1-7

I believe in the existence of a higher power or higher consciousness, but I am firmly against projecting human-like qualities onto the conceptualization of such a 'Creator'. Humans are currently stuck living in this low frequency existence so our consciousness is restricted and limited - therefore I think it's literally impossible for us to be able to accurately conceive/depict/describe an entity or process that transcends our current level of conscious awareness and understanding. I personally don't care for the phrase 'God' because I feel like that word has been tainted by mankind and it inevitably conjures up the visualization of a human-like entity in the skies that exhibits human traits such as the desire to label and judge things in our environment. We live in a dualistic plane of existence right now so humans project that duality onto their conceptualization of a higher power and assume that such a higher power would exhibit the same tendency to judge and label things as being inherently good/bad (the way that we do). I think such an inclination is a fallacy. For this reason I also do not care for using gender specific phrases like 'He' or 'Him' because again, I believe this is projecting human-like characteristics (in this case gender) onto something that would transcend the nature of human existence.

I personally don't believe any entity or higher consciousness is overseeing or interfering with our existence, I believe in free will and believe that our individual fate ultimately lies in our own hands.

I firmly believe that we lack the conscious awareness to understand certain elements of our existence (including the force responsible for our creation), so I do not dwell on things that I can not comprehend at this juncture because I have the understanding that I will eventually posses the ability (or awareness) to comprehend such things at a later period of my existence (perhaps once I part ways with this physical body). It's a learning process. For example, one could not expect to understand Advanced Physics without first developing an understanding of Basic Physics.

For now my only goal is to advance myself up the dimensional ladder and stop the cycle of reincarnation so that I do not need to keep returning to this dense and dualistic three dimensional plane that is filled with much pain & suffering. I do not wish to reside at this frequency of existence any longer. I feel like I have walked this path many times and I desire to move on to a higher realm of existence and a higher realm of awareness and understanding.

tbh, i kinda like your concept of God. i dont believe thats how/who/what He is, but i dig your concept.
but what, in your opinion, would be the purpose of the Creator making us by what you posted above?
tbh, i am firmly against reincarnation (but thats my thoughts) i mean what really would be thr point? if we didnt remember our previous incarnations how would we be to learn from our mistakes in the previous incarnations, to be able to correct said mistakes therefor to move up the lattrr of frequency?

I suggest you read Genesis in the Bible where it states the beasts of the earth were crated by God for man's consumption. Animals are not our brothers and sisters and they do not have souls... We as Christians can partake in the bounty God has created for us on this earth, but we must avoid gluttony at all costs.

Thanks for the positive feedback... To answer your first question in accordance with my previous point, I don't really feel like I have the awareness to answer such a question, nor would anyone else really while in physical form... I think it's perfectly fine to ponder such a question, but cannot conceive how anyone would be able to comfortably arrive at an answer and have confidence in it being accurate. I can only guess or throw out ideas with no knowledge of their accuracy. Perhaps whatever force was responsible for the creation of our consciousness can only grow through our own individual conscious experiences. So perhaps our individual experiences are feeding the force that created us. Parts of a greater whole?

When I was a child or adolescent I was firmly against the notion of reincarnation. I never really found life to be enjoyable and saw that it was filled with much pain and suffering. The thought of having to return here on an infinite cycle with no knowledge of one's prior identity scared the crap out of me - so I dismissed it.... That was just how I conceptualized the process at that stage in my life. But as I grew older I began to look at the process in a different light and my exploration into the subject matter of past lives and children having researchable/verifiable recollections of them, it changed my perspective. I don't really believe that you don't possess knowledge of your past lives, I believe there is a part of your identity that has this awareness, it's just repressed for the time-being. Call it temporary amnesia. We know that humans can suppress and eventually repress experiences in a single lifetime - push memories out of their conscious awareness and into the subconscious, so I would not be surprised to learn this could take place in a different context. The information is still there, it's just not easily accessible/retrievable. I don't believe you can learn all the lessons that you need to learn in a single lifetime as you see that the circumstances we are born into are quite varied and life can abruptly end without notice.

Wanted to say sorry if some of my previous replies yesterday came across as being short or snippy, I did not intend to express myself in that manner. I was getting frustrated reading some of the replies in this thread because they were very black & white and limiting of the consciousness. I see now that you have an open-mind and are actively trying to increase your awareness and I think that is fantastic and also a trait that many individuals lack.

it still doesnt make sence to me, that if we were to re-establish ourselves through reincarnation, that we wouldnt remember our previous incarnation in order to (in your theory) reach a better frequency. if its how you say, that we will achieve that knowledge of our past life(s) at a later date, then how come the elderly, or even a goid precentage of them remember anything about a past life(s)?tbh it doesnt make sence in a logical nor illogical state (to me anyway).

tyvm, for the apology, i really only respond to people that talk shit about what i believe, or even the Christians that totally misrepresent scripture, or misquote it, or non-believers that twist it to mean what they want.
i apologize if i was snippy with you as well.

I can't answer for him, but reincarnation...

Each lifetime leaves residuals so that the next lifetime has challenges and experiences.

Take an obstacle course. The person first goes through a tunnel, and right after that is something they have to jump. The challenge is, can you get from crawling through a tunnel, up onto your feet, in time to get over the hurdle?

The reason why we don't remember the last life is because it takes much of the challenge out.

A person learning of a past lifetime will often say, "Now I get why I act that way!" or "Now I get why I can't stand [X or Y]!"

Once they get why they do it or feel it or experience it, it loses its power over their life. They are transformed because they begin to realize that "I'm not distant from my family because I'm a bad person, I'm distant because I subconsciously fear them abandoning me again." [as an example]

The set up is to learn to love despite how you feel and despite fears that you feel you're not in control over. Once the knowledge is there of where it comes from, you are released from that challenge.

If you've run the obstacle course a hundred times and you KNOW already that the hurdle is after the tunnel, then you run it by rote and you are prepared.... there's no longer a challenge, but rather a rote running of the course.

I believe that when you pass away or part ways with your physical body, you will regain complete conscious awareness of who you are, what you were doing here, and remember every experience you have ever had (in this lifetime and in previous lifetimes). I didn't mean to imply you would remember at a later age in your specific lifetime, sorry for the confusion.

Regarding why you don't remember now.... I think that would interfere with the process of learning. What if you were born knowing all the details... Would you still make mistakes and learn from them if you had full awareness of the game and how it is played? What if you were born with complete awareness of your spiritual existence and the eternity of your consciousness - would you really be able to motivate yourself to go through the motions of this physical existence if you had knowledge of what lies beyond? What if after each lifetime you lived, you were born again a little smarter, a little wiser, a little more consciously aware of your reality and the nature of your existence - until you reached a critical point where you were ready to graduate to the next level (dimension) of existence?

Can I ask you a question... From the perspective of the One & Done approach to living here on Earth - here are some talking points that did not make any sense to me from this perspective.

- Life appears to be very fragile and can end abruptly and seemingly against our will. What about a child that passes away after a few months or maybe a few years of life? As opposed to an adult who maybe lives to see 100. What would account for the varied experiences here on Earth? Luck/chance? Or what about an individual born with a severe mental impairment or physical deformity or significantly debilitating condition. Would that seem fair or logical that we would receive such varied experiences if this was only a onetime affair?

- What about the varied levels of consciousness you observe around you. What would account for a wise and intelligent individual vs. an individual with little intellect and little conscious awareness of his/her environment and more primitive thought patterns.. Is that a product of biology/genetics or luck/chance again, or could it be a reflection of a soul's experience level as it relates to reincarnations? It wouldn't seem very fair to me that some people just happen to be born with advanced cognitive abilities and others are just given the short-end of the stick from no doing of their own.

When all is said and done reincarnation answered a lot of questions for me that my previous perspective could not answer. I had way more questions when I subscribed to the One & Done theory - and none of the answers I could think of ever made any sense to me or felt right. I had to move beyond the fear of the thought of having to come back here for another 'go around'.

so, by your analigy, it would make sence that we keep going through the same obstacle course tripping over the same hurdle, over n over again until finly by some magical miracle you actualky get that part of the sequence right, then you move on, until you get the whole thing exactly right???

you think this and call hell torture? unloving? dude that would be just as bad to me, except at least in this analigy one could finally complete the obstical.

tbh, your theory here is much like a really complicated video game, that someonepunched an "unlimited lives" code into.
tbh i would think that kinda cruel. good thing by your guys account, one wouldnt remember if things were horable in the last life, or even the possable pain and suffering of their death.

tbh, theres still no way id ever believe this, because, again it has no logical or even illogical meaning to it, what? to live pn a higher plane over and over again?

but very interesting thank you.

Try not to take the analogy so literally. Each life isn't the obstacle course, so you're not going to be going over the same thing over and over again. It's different places on the course... and even then, obstacle course is an imperfect analogy anyway.

There's no need to get everything right. That's not the point. There's no getting it wrong.

But let me ask you this. Do you REALLY think that living with the perfectly clear memories of that much suffering would be desirable? Do you truly think that living with perfectly clear memories of all the good would really be desirable? All the loved ones you lost... you'd want to remember all of them, and losing them?

Having lost much and experienced much suffering in THIS lifetime, let me tell you that living with the clear memory of horrific suffering isn't a gift. It's really not.

Much less the memory of all the people I've loved and lost. Good memory has its nice points, but over-all, it's a burden.

Understanding why human beings exist is central to understanding how it can be that we'd come here again and again. It's all voluntary. We choose to come here, and we can check out and leave any time we wish. Yet most of us choose to return and return and return... out of love.

(this is only a reply to the first part of your paragraph.

why would you only remember things in the middle part (between incarnations) only to have your memory wiped to start again?

yes i do believe if you remembered everything from a previous life, that would make this life better (saying in your theory), yes you might make some mistakes, but they wont nesseceraly be the same as before, the point of mistakes is to learn from them so it wont happen again and then move on. what really would be the point in learning something if in fact i was to forgetvand have to relearn again?
2+2=4 i know that, and i should retain that knowledge and move on to 2x2 (4 lol) not have to have to learn 2+2=4 over and over again.
again this just does not make sence to me.
why would a Creator have this done? to amuse "itself" with watching us repeat the same shit over and over?

Jesus ate meat. Read your bible more and you wouldn't make statements like this...

How is eating dead fruit and vegetation showing any compassion to your plant brothers and sisters?

All life exhibits allelopathy, even plants. They have the same responses to external harm and encroachment we find in animals. Plants feel pain, have war, and wilt for want of light the same as all things.

Abstaining from meat doesn't make you any more humane or egalitarian than any other. In fact, it's actually a tad discriminatory. Being omnivorous is simply being fair toward all lifeforms, including those you find cuter than others.

Eat to live, don't live to eat.

How does a man like Ben Franklin get away with that one? Rather portly fellow, spent a great deal of time circling the aristocracy if only to be closer to their cuisine...

Now there's a proper cautionary tale, if ever I knew such a thing.

I suppose you'll have to trust the real holy spirit on this one.

i understand what you are saying, however (and remember im asking you guys this as if i believe its true, because i really dont and really never will.)if i was given the chance to remember my past lives, there wouldnt be as much suffering, because i would be anle to learn from my first time around (2nd 3rd so on) untill i reached that higher plane of existance, which i believe that if i were to know about my previous incarnations, would get me to the highest level of existance (being able to learn from previous mistakes) much fastervthan not knowing and possably reliving over and over, the same mistakes in my previous incarnations.
let me ask you this in this theory:
when one dies, hownlong does it take, or should it take to progress (or stay) to the next (or relive) life?

Sandi, didnt i read somewhere that you had psycic abilitys?
if reincarnation is true, wouldnt one go on into the next (or start again) life, instead of stick around in spirit form?
and what of spirit form?
do they not reincarnate?
if its a different realm, then why/how do they know do much about people (personal stuff) in this realm? why wouldnt we know stuff about a lesser realm, well unless we're on the bottom rung?

Because thats they way he wanted to do it. Didnt think of that answer did you?

Of course you're god is mighty because he is not the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL. You said it yourself "the word of mighty god." Well the Eternal One is ALMIGHTY and nothing is outta his power. And sorry do you read your bible?

Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

AND

Numbers 15:15
The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before the LORD:

Same rules for the community (Israel) and the stranger (You gentiles). Sorry. And lastly dont forget:

John 4:22

You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the jewish people.

Im sure you're gonna bring something from Paul that says otherwise. Oh well you're fault for trusting in man rather than the Almighty One

PT 2. my thoughts on your baby/handycapped people.

i think different aspects and different happemings, different attitudes, people, places things etc etc have sn effect on everyone around that particular instance that changes the outcome, and destination of their lives at any point in the day, which leads that person to do something that will effect another persons outcome, and so on and so forth.
lets say my baby dies (i really dont like saying that, lol i have a 6 month old, but its the term you used.) and BECAUSE my baby died i become an asshole (negative point of veiw atm) to everyone around me including a guy at a gas station who then gets pissed off and goes home and beats his wife and kid, which kid then makes a vow to himself that he will never hit women and grows up keeping that vow.
that boy (besides the dead baby part, its kind of what happened to me.) grows up never hitting women. but you can see that effect if you imagine it like a pyramid, that baby affects the man which affects several different people which affect several different people.

(a more positive, by my perspective)
a woman has a mentaly (or physically, wouldnt matter in this analigy) handycapped child, because of this, she learns patience (believe me they do more than a normal parent, well, most times anyway), because she has patience, a stranger sees this and inacts it into his/her own life, which then leads another stranger to say, "thank God for (him/her)!" another stranger wonders about God, then researches all he/she can about God, opens up a church (a good one, lol, if there are any left lol) and preaches to some non-believers the good word, and brings morevto salvation through God. (this analigy not part of my life lol)

the variables differ in an infanit way.
one that sucks, might have the purpose(s) of changing anothers for good.

ok guys ill hit you guys up tomorrow, im hitten the hay.

God Bless.

Again, this is coming from a common misunderstanding about reincarnation. The belief is sold to us that we reincarnate in order to progress.

But we are perfect, pure souls. There's nowhere to progress to.

Life is for experience, NOT for progression. There's nothing wrong with making an old mistake in a new way. Indeed, experiencing every mistake in every way is part of the process.



Well, first, the concept of "spirit form" is really a misnomer. It's like calling our bodies our "body spirit". They are our physical form, and there really isn't a spirit "form" per se.

The soul/spirit is more like a cloud or a lattice... some like to call it a matrix. None of these are particularly accurate, however; they all try to rely upon an idea based in physiology.

The soul is Awareness. Now, it should be obvious that our awareness is not limited to [nor like] our body is. Our body is limited to itself and its immediate environment, and we try to limit our souls in the same way... yet such cannot be done.

While your soul, your awareness, is animating your body, it is also checking in on the spirit realm, processing data, and performing multiple other functions constantly. One of which is, yes, interacting with mediums, and sometimes even interacting with people who are still alive from the time when we perished.

The soul is capable of far more than we imagine because the only part of it that is limited is the part that interfaces with the body.

Think of it it this way... you sit at your computer and type. But at the same time, you may also be eating, watching TV, listening to your kids fight in the background, thinking about paying a bill, talking on the telephone, or a vast array of other things.

While you operate on that level, your soul operates on a whole other level with the same degree of full awareness... just as a computer program you're running is only 'aware' of itself and your interaction with it, so your body-awareness is only 'aware' of your soul's interaction with it.

But the soul is capable of tremendous amounts of activity, and each night while you sleep, it is meeting with multitudes of souls in order to organize your next day of life.

The sheer level of our souls' activity would boggle us, if we could see everything that is happening simply in order to give us life from moment to moment.

As far as us knowing about lower activities, there's no reason that we would. It doesn't serve our purpose. The human body is designed to be a limiter.

There are endless colors, but we get only 3 rods/cones... so we get 3 colors out of endless ones.

There are sounds both deeper and higher than human ears will ever hear. Owls and bats both are able to hear many times more than we can. Our ears are poorly designed for hearing... they are intended to limit. We could have perfect hearing, but we don't.

Bears can smell for literally miles and miles. We can barely smell our dinner in a pot in front of us. Our sense of smell is limited.

Beyond that, our minds are limited, too. Our ability to understand is limited. The majority of our DNA is inactive.

The human body is just an interface with the world, its purpose to limit us from the true vastness of who and what we really are.

On a soul level, we know everything going on. But when we're here on Earth, we're here to do a job. When you're at work, you're supposed to be doing your work, not messing around in the garbage just because you're curious [as example]. Knowing everything happening in Timbuktu won't help you do your job better, if you're a toilet cleaner in Aspen Colorado.

Just as knowing what's going on "over there" doesn't help you to be a better human.

True Christian would also understand the allegoric and esoteric meaning of the teachings, not blindly follow literally what the book says.

True christian would also nowdays understand about diseases and how to prevent them and use their own brain to update their knowledge about that issue and eat whatever meat he wants.

READ: [link to www.usbible.com]

tbh, im getten real sick of this "True Christian" shit, although i am by definition a Christian, just so you know this isnt an atheist post.
can you say for a fact exactly what the bible means, not in your opinion, but in 100% fact?
no you cant, if even the best biblical minds cant determine it to 100%, i doubt you can either.
i know for a fact that i dont know all the actual facts of the bible, therefor how would i call myself a "True Christian"?

remember the part where it states, "All fall short"?
or, "if you had faith as much even as a mustard seed, you would be able to tell a tree to uproot itself and plant itself into the sea", can you do that? cuz until that happens for you, or anyone else for that matter, i doubt the valitity of a "True Christian".

the best that we can do, is folkow Christ to the best of our abilitys, and to teach others to do the same.

you wrote true verses, however, Christ Himself stated in Matthew 22:36-40
to love God
and to love your neighbor as you do yourself
and with those two commandment you can hang all the LAWS and the prophets on that
(my own words if you couldnt tell)

in those 2 commandments, all the LAWS fsll under, according to Christ Himself.

i understand what you're saying, i just really dont believe the plausability of reincarnation. still it in itself doent make sence on why we would reincarnate.
but thank you for taking the time to explain it to to me.

is this just what you believe it to be, or is there a sect of theology that believes this way too?


i will stick with my own beliefs however. i have waaaay too much proof in my life of God/Jesus to just walk away from (like your NDE), although i think my thoughts on what hell is, or even what it is not, are changing the more i study up on it.