A true christian would never eat meat....

Under what context would accumulating experiences not be viewed as progression?

I have to disagree with that notion. Your past lives contribute to who you are today, to me living those experiences is progress. If there was no progression you would just reincarnate endlessly and nothing you would do or accomplish in those lives would matter.

why would anything in those past lives matter anyway, if that whole life, progression or even points of failure where wiped from your memory?
if you were not aware of what you did wrong in previous lives, that could have the very likely possability of you being stuck in and endless life after life after life matrix for eternity. if you dont have a chance to learn from the mistakes in a previous life, how could one be expected to better ones self?
like for example, if i touck a hot stove, i burn my hand, then i know not to touch it again, but through reincarnation, i would be forced to retouch the stove every life to find out it hot n not to touch it. how would that equil progression?

LOL!
damn my spelling sucks!

Progression implies a destination.

There is no such thing as spiritual progress [from a soul standpoint] because all souls are already perfect.

From an Earthly perspective, you could consider it progression, except that a lot of lifetimes could be considered regression. We all play each part, and sometimes we play the villain after we've played the ultra-enlightened monk.

By a standard of expecting a person to progress to a certain point [be it enlightenment, heaven, ascension, whatnot], that would be thought to be a major backslide. Yet it isn't, because without a villain, there's no hero. Since all souls are perfect, there are no bad souls to play the bad guy... so who has to do it?

The problem in the discussion is that you think the purpose of incarnating is so that you cease incarnating... yet we choose whether or not we incarnate.

That's the hardest part for most to understand. We choose to incarnate, and if we choose not to do it anymore, we will cease incarnating. Contrary to popular belief, we're not stuck in a reincarnation cycle.

We choose it out of love for all things, especially God and each other.

The whole "stuck reincarnating" idea is a tool of control and limitation. It gives an added sense of helplessness and futility.

It isn't true.

I'm not asking you to change your view on anything. Personally, I KNOW that God showed up to you as Jesus because you wouldn't have believed or accepted any other way. That doesn't make God's name Jesus, it just means that it's the only condition under which you'd have accepted God.

My purpose in these discussions is to free the minds of seekers and give them choices. And, you asked without an intent to use what I say for the purpose of mockery.

Dude, it really does.

im sorry if i insinuated that i thought you were trying to change my beliefs. no no no, thats not what i ment at all, im sorry for stating it like that.


as far as God showing Himself as Jesus (fyi, im not a believer that Jesus was God, but the Word of God sent as Gods Son), that parts just not true at all.

the first time i saw Jesus i was like 15, i knew nothing really of the bible really, my family didnt/doesnt really go to church.
i had a dream cant remember what it was though, but it was a normal dream, but at the end i saw a picture of jesus then all the sudden a picture of Satan, and i woke up shaking and full of sweat. like it was telling me to choose, or that i needed to make a choice (i didnt get into God till my 20's btw)

ive had crazy dreams about Revelations as well.

but one instance is this:
my wife (who was pregnate at the time) my 2 kids and myself were living with a roomate and her family (cuz due to the economy im dirt poor), but thrn we found out the roomate was on meth (im 11 years clean) and she was going to move her daughter and her husband in, which the husband was her dealer, we decided we couldnt live there anymore (for obvious reasons), and i asked my parents to move in, they said yes but they were moving to Vegas with their friend who was in the prosses of buying a new house, so thet were leaving in 2 weeks.
i tried everything in my power to get a job and/or a place to live, to no avail.
my wife and kids stayed at her moms for a night (2 days before my parents were supposed to go, here parents live in a 32 foot RV, so no possability of moving there) and i had to go pick them up the next morning. needless to say, i was stressed to the point of crying (literally), her mom live about 45min away, so its a long drive. as i was driving, i looked in the sky a happy face (other than that there were no clouds at all), and i smiled and thought, well maybe thats just God tellen me to cheer up, i even laught a little. then i started seeing happy face clouds everywhere. i picked up my wife and kids and headed back to my parents, and my wife was seeing what i was seeing. when we got home my parents told us their friend lost the house in escrow, and they were staying, and we had a place to live.
(this is all the same day)my parents have little windows on the top of their front door, and for like 2 hours the sun reflected through those windows in the form of a happy face. ive never seen that happen again at that door, and believe me, i looked.

I'm just glad I brought my magic decoder ring to GLP...

We all have our area.

"Everyone is a genius. If you judge a fish by his ability to climb a tree, he will spend his entire life thinking that he is stupid."

We'll have to agree to disagree. You can't be 15 years old in this country and not have heard of Jesus. And clearly you'd seen pictures of him, or you wouldn't have been able to identify the dream picture.

Regardless, as I say, it's just a point of disagreement. Believe whatever you really believe. It's not my intent to change your beliefs, only to protect the minds of seekers from accepting a religion that teaches some pretty evil stuff.

By the way, on a side note, congrats on your sobriety! Two thumbs up and a

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The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
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Thou Shalt Not Kill

Methusaleh: The longest lived man in Bible was a vegetarian and achieved 969 years.
Proverbs: Be not among the wine-bibbers nor the riotous eaters of animal flesh.
Matthew: What did Jesus call those who eat animals? The King James translates it as `whited sepulchres`. The Greek word translated is sarcophagi (flesh) phagi eaters.
Genesis: Behold I have given you herb yielding seed. To you it shall be for food.
Genesis: Flesh shall ye not eat.
Jesus: Feed The Hungry (With 6 billion people in God`s world, we must now choose His food systems: Fruit orchards yield 450,000 lbs. per acre. Slaughterhouses yield 100 to 1000 lbs. an acre.
Daniel 1: Daniel was a vegetarian for 10 days in the king`s prison.
Isaiah 65: The lion shall lie down with the lamb.. they shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord.
Psalm 104: God made the whale to frolic in the sea (not to be slaughtered by the US, JAPAN, NORWAY and ICELAND govts.)
Isaiah 66: 3: He that slays an ox is as he that slays a man.
Acts 15: Do not eat the flesh of strangled animals.
Peter`s Vision of animals in a cage, said Peter himself, related to reaching out to the Gentile world, not seeing Gentiles as unclean.
Acts 18: 18 Paul says that he has taken a private vow. Many scholars believe it was the same vow taken by Samson.. a promise to God not to eat the flesh of innocent animals nor to cut his hair.
The 5th Angel of Revelation: Harm no green living plant.
Isaiah 42: Break not the bruised reed.
Jesus: Whatsoever you have done to these the least of My brethren you have done unto Me.
Corinthians l: If meat makes my brother stumble I shall never again eat meat.
Exodus 16: 31 The desert manna was like coriander seed. (This was stated by Dr.Reginald Cherry MD on the Trinity Broadcast Network).
Proverbs 12:10 The righteous one is concerned for his beast.
Ezekiel 3 and 4: My body has never been contaminated by animal flesh.
Isaiah 66: 17
Leviticus 3: 17 commands to eat no animal fat or animal blood Many Jewish vegetarians such as Dr Richard Schwartz of Staten Island believe that it is impossible to drain all the blood out of tiny capillaries.
Leviticus 11: prohibits the eating of the flesh of rabbits, pigs, shellfish such as lobsters (coprophagous or waste eaters whose consumption of human waste on the Atlantic seaboard is the 2nd annual cause of hepatitis).
Leviticus: I will set my face against them that eat blood.
Judges 13: The breaking of the Nazarite vow (no flesh.. no hair cutting) was the cause of Samson`s downfall.
Job 12: 8 Speak to the earth and she will teach thee (of patience, nurturing, unconditional love, freely giving to all) [link to www.compassionatespirit.com]
Exodus 20: 13 Thou Shalt Not Kill (This is not asterisked in the Bible... Later translations such as New King James diluted King James to "Thou Shalt Not Murder" [link to www.ivu.org.cob-web.org:8888]
Genesis 6: Noah was commanded by God to provide vegetarian food for the animals on the ark. Lions were given milk. [link to www.vegweb.com.cob-web.org:8888]
Hosea 2:28: I will make for you that day a covenant with the animals.
Jesus: My father`s House is a House of Prayer. You have made it a den of thieves and butchers (where animal sacrifice occurred). The original Greek word for plunderer was rendered `thief` by translators. (the Greek gemousin osteon nekronis translated as `full of dead men`s bones` when it is in actuality `full of dead bones`. Interpretations divide. The Spirit Unites. May The Holy Spirit Overshadow Us All and All Creation. May differences of opinion, Holy Spirit, be to us as pleasing as the apple tree`s making crimson apples while the vine makes royal purple grapes. The Nazarite diet is described in Numbers.
Deuteronomy 5: Thou Shalt Not Kill (later versions than the King James translate this as Thou Shalt Not Murder)
Exodus 20: 13 Thou Shalt Not Kill brought down the mountain literally Lo Tirtzach ... (this is nonkilling, not nonmurder) The Biblical command "Thou Shalt Not Kill" which J J Price cites as a reason to change diet ... is not asterisked "to include humans only". The Biblical command "Thou Shalt Not Steal" which Kathy Kurtz cites can be related to not purloining the eggs from chickens nor the milk from mother cows whose calves are then butchered for veal.
Genesis 6: Noah was commanded by God to provide vegetarian food in the ark for people and animals. (The lions drank the milk of cows.)
Genesis 9: 4-5 Flesh shall yet not eat. And surely your blood I will require at the hands of beasts. (God forgive us all and help us all to change.)
Job 12: 8 Speak to the earth and she will teach thee (of patience, humility, forgiveness, universal nurturing) Job 5: You will be in league with the stones of the field and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with you. Isaiah 42: He shall break not the bruised reed.


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Mean people will never understand...life is life..we are no better than any other life form. You reap what you sow. If an advanced race of beings far more intelligent than ourselves considered human flesh tasty, would you volunteer to be the burger on their table?

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Yep because ALL OF THE LAW hangs under those two. Just read the ten commandments and see how each commandment falls under either Loving the Almighty One or loving your neighbor as yourself.

Dumb. Read Acts, where Paul encounters a tapestry of myriad animals, and God tells him to eat.

He says no, and God basically says that it is ok.

It was a metaphor for jewish people and Gentiles, but the message is as clear as it was in the Old Testament: EVerYTHING is good to eat. He put it here for US. I wouldn't recommend possum, but sure, you CAN eat it.

Also, like Christ HIMSELF said, it's not what you put INTO your body that matters; what comes out of it makes you clean or unclean.

OP is pretentious, misleading garbage. You speak of being a True Christian, yet your fruit would lead me to believe otherwise. I suspect Aethist trolling to get a rise out of Christians. Are you? Or just a misled fool.

In either case, you CAN eat meat, and still receive the Holy Seal. Still enter His Kingdom. And HONESTLY-your presence in His company relies on Faith in His Son; loving God with all your heart, and treating your neighbors how you want to be treated. Simple, really.

Stop spinning bullshit and trying to make Christians look bad. Ass.

ha ha oh, others have already said some of this. Good to see the Spirit present, despite the attacks of the accuser.

Peddle your lies where they belong: the mirror.


ok that was harsh-maybe you have good intentions. If so, then you are wrong in opie, pray in Spirit and ask for understanding. In Christ Jesus.

Sandi I never said the purpose was reincarnating was to stop reincarnating, so I'm not sure what gave you that impression. Does that even make any sense?

I believe the purpose of reincarnating is to gain experience so you can eventually traverse the higher dimensions. I never said we were trapped here or implied that this wasn't a conscious decision to incarnate. I simply don't want to do it anymore so my goal has been to learn what I set out to learn & experience what I came here for.

What is wrong with identifying with progression if you have no destination in mind? What is wrong with wanting to advance oneself? Do artists hone their talents with the intention of some final achievement in mind? Or do they simply enjoy what they do and desire to continually improve their trade?

Why do you feel there needs to be a 'bad guy' to facilitate the process of advancement and progression? If you learn through experience, why must there always be an antagonist? We can't learn in the absence of negative energy? Do you believe every dimension follows the same mold as this one? I don't.

I disagree with you about playing the 'villain' AFTER you played the 'monk'. I think you've got the order wrong.

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Seriously, though, we're just going to talk circles around each other.

There's nothing to do, nothing to progress... human souls are already perfect.

We don't come here to learn, we come here to Complete the Paradox of God.

And there are some other places that work the same way as far as having duality, but Earth is in its own way rather unique in the universe. A different discussion for another time.

The problem comes back to the issue of learning, as if our eternal souls weren't already full of all knowledge and wisdom. There's nothing for us to learn, all is already known.

Our souls already exist fully in "higher dimensions"... in fact, there is none higher.

And I know that you think I have it in the wrong order. Because you assume that there is a soul progression, and there isn't. There's no need for that which is perfect already to progress. There is no incompletion or inadequacy in our souls.

I see past lives. And I am telling you that many people go back and forth between dualities. Because a villain is required to create evil, which is required to Complete the Paradox.

Yet we are all just actors on a stage. None of it is 'real', as we all know when we go Home. Yet if we didn't experience it AS REAL, then it would not Complete the Paradox, and it would be pointless.

why because your pastor said so?

YOUR RETARDED AND RELIGIOUS IM GIN BIBLE COLLEGE AND ACTS IS ONE OF MY COURSES AND JESUS OPENED UP HEAVEN AND SENT DOWN A WALL OF MEAT FOR HIM TO EAT AND HE SAID HE WOULD NOT EAT ANYTHING UNCLEAN AND JESUS SAID DO NOT CALL ANYTHING I MADE UNCLEAN!

are you agreeing? or disagreeing?
because i can prove how every one of the 10 commsndments falls into it?

first, TYVM for the congratz!

second, ya ill admit, i heard of Jesus (although very very little), and had seen a picture or 2, but you didnt see ehat i saw, believe me, not quite the same.
yes, we can agree to disagree!
tbh, i mostly just get on people for takken too much shit about what i believe in, and/or really fucken up and/or twisting scripture.

see Sandi-T?
like this person here who pulls and chooses only what he/she is trying to represent, without giving thought to what those passages actually say and/or are trying to represent.
98% of those passages are taken from the OT, first of all.
20% (about) havent a freaken thing to do with eating meat, one way or another.
and with shit like Paul taking a vow, he/she some how just comes up with a notion that the vow was not to eat meat? WTF?

dude, if you're gonna quote scripture, say what it states in whole, not just what you want it to mean and/or represent.

i am a hyppocrite btw...

but i still stand by this message.

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