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Shooting in refinery parking lot north of New Orleans. TWO sheriffs dead.

 
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Soon there will be shootings like crazy, this is just a prelude to the inevitable.

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There's a TON of crooked cops in New Orleans, so we'll never know the true story.
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The real question is:

Are there *any* honest policemen left in NO?
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“we are in control at this point.”


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There's a TON of crooked cops in New Orleans, so we'll never know the true story.
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The real question is:

Are there *any* honest policemen left in NO?
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Maybe it was a revenge killing by some of the friends or family members of the victims killed by the N.O. serial killer cop.

Maybe the cop being demoted to a desk job for a while wasn't good enough for them. Never can tell.
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I live 3 miles from this crime scene. I now see how GLP takes a story and makes it crazy bullshit. First of all its not 10 miles from sinkhole, more like 50. Second, what do the crooked NO police have to do with this? This didn't happen in Orleans Parish????? I can go on but I really dont feel like it.
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I live 3 miles from this crime scene. I now see how GLP takes a story and makes it crazy bullshit. First of all its not 10 miles from sinkhole, more like 50. Second, what do the crooked NO police have to do with this? This didn't happen in Orleans Parish????? I can go on but I really dont feel like it.
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Maybe revenge killers shop out of their areas. Like serial killers. Understand though, with the number of crooked ones, how hard it would be to investigate all who would have a motive.
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And the War on Cops continues. How many more cops have to be gunned down before we do what needs to be done and ban these assault weapons and get them off of the streets?

THIS. MUST. STOP.
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Banning them wont do shit but make sure that these stay in the hands of the criminals.
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I do not believe there is enough initial evidence to indicate an act of domestic terrorism. This more likely a criminal matter, drugs, stolen property, or something of that nature.

To rush to the conclusion that this is an act DT is just irresponsible.
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Well near as I can gather the shooter, if there is only one...according to the story thus far walked or more likely drove up to the Sherrif directing traffic and started firing for unknown reasons...also appears to have shot up a car..The Sherrif said earlier that car belonged to a DA investigator named Scott boyington, but the news pages say that a deputy "Micheal Boyington" was in the hospital...assuming the car belongs to him and that this officer was there directing traffic...I would guess he had to be "off duty"...found the guys name...it's the same guy...

Deputy Michael Scott Boyington has been with the St John Sheriff's Office for the past 3 years and is currently assigned to the District Attorney's Office as an Invesigator.

[link to stjohnsheriff.org]

A DA investigator I cannot believe would be "on duty" directing traffic...so either he was off duty "moonlighting"..or the shooting was not just a guy walking up to the traffic cop and shooting starts...

So there is some sorting out of details that will happen there. It also not known what type of weapon was used at this time, the mention of an assualt rifle is only later.

The shooter speeds off and the local Sherrifs get a call about a speeding car in that riverview trailer park area. They proceed to that area with an unknown number of Sherrifs. They find a vehicle that matches the description of the first shooter car. They encounter two people, one of them gets cuffed, they do not say why at this time. After that one of those 2 leads them to a trailer..they go to the trailer and are talking to the person who answered the door with a dog. They see another person inside under a blanket and say he is wearing clothing, they ask that person to come outside...so that is a total of 4 people involved so far, 2 that at least one is cuffed and possibly not near the trailer now and the 2 that were inside the trailer. 2 Sherrifs at least are talking to those 2 guys when a 5th person comes out another door from the trailer with an assualt type rifle and ambush kills the 2 sherrifs who were killed.

In the fire fights at least one more Sherrif is wounded and possibly a couple of civilians too, at least 2 of the 5 suspects were shot and at least was wounded badly, but is expected to survive. Whether some of those also transported to the hospitale came from the trailer park scene or one or more aside from the DA investigator sherrif Boyington from the parking lot scene is not known.

So...if I was going to piece it together...the first shooting happened from the car and was likely a 9mm or a semi-auto handgun of similar sort...whatever sparked that off and whether that shooter was an employee or just drivng by?...who knows...so the shooter opens fire, hits the first Sherrif and his car multiple times, possibly stray rounds hit other people or cars...he then speeds off. The first sherrif is hit, but not mortally, shoulder hit, but he probably had a vest on and that saved his life...a BPV of the type they wear is not going to do much good up against an AK or an M-16 type rifle. The Sherrif calls over the radio he is hit and shots fired etc etc.

Probably some chaotic minutes begin now. The Sherrifs get the call shortly after from someone unknown reporting a speeding car that matches the description from the shot sherrif..Sherrifs go to that location, at least 4, maybe more...they encounter some persons unknown and those people give up one of the trailers...the Sherrifs proceed to that trailer and encounter 2 guys there...they get them outside and while they are talking to those 2 the original shooter now armed with the rifle comes out another door and guns down the 2 sherrifs there...the other sherrifs return fire, one more sherrif wounded in that fire fight and the main shooter goes down from the sherrifs gunfire...

At that point it's over as far as gun fire goes.

2 dead sherrifs, 2 more wounded with 1 not too badly, the other status unknown and 2 suspects wounded by gun fire, one badly but expected to survive, probably the shooter, with some possible other gunshot victims.

If I were to guess?....some whacked out Meth or crack head encounters Sherrif on the road, paranoid flips out and starts shooting..wails back to the base and colors up with heavier firepower and when the Sherrifs show very soon after he is still extremely freaked up and attacks with assault rifle, firefight ,he get's shot down, but he'll probably live...

I don't think there's a lot behind it...no terrorist cell or a planned assualt or anything along those lines....doesn't fit that types Operating procedure.

Have not seen any pictures or info on the shooter(s) or suspects...so we'll see in a while I guess.

Shame that 2 sherrifs got killed and another 2 shot...hope the other Sherrif with unknown status survives.
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Latest news I heard on radio newsbreak was that the two shootings were separate incidents. In other words, there was a shooting in the parking lot, then there was a shooting at the trailer park. All they are talking about on wwl radio is gun control.

A few minutes ago SPud, the radio personality, said that a lot of people were wondering about the sinkhole expansion and the risk of explosion there. He actually said everyone should download yesterday's think tank show with Garland as he covered all that. YES, we all want YESTERDAY'S news podcast for the latest on a huge threat looming up river. FWIW I listened to his show yesterday and didn't ever hear him get to it after a long promo. His guests were talking about basketball.
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Muslims?
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Zombies?

sinkhole?
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Seems they got a leak that named this guy as one of the people involved or even being the shooter...

[link to journalstar.com]

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Someone shot the Sheriff, and the deputy?
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Latest news I heard on radio newsbreak was that the two shootings were separate incidents. In other words, there was a shooting in the parking lot, then there was a shooting at the trailer park. All they are talking about on wwl radio is gun control.

A few minutes ago SPud, the radio personality, said that a lot of people were wondering about the sinkhole expansion and the risk of explosion there. He actually said everyone should download yesterday's think tank show with Garland as he covered all that. YES, we all want YESTERDAY'S news podcast for the latest on a huge threat looming up river. FWIW I listened to his show yesterday and didn't ever hear him get to it after a long promo. His guests were talking about basketball.
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Fuckin grrrrreat...if this is the guy?....this thing is going to explode real fast and real soon....See if I can dig up what sort of "terrorist org" this nimrod was associated with...


The search for a man, who allegedly has ties to a terrorist organization continued Monday evening in the northeast Kansas town of Oketo.

Gage County Nebraska authorities say they know Joekel for making threats, firearms activity, and drug deals.

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Seems they got a leak that named this guy as one of the people involved or even being the shooter...

[link to journalstar.com]
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So harsh words in a bar.. where is the terroristic threat?
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I do not believe there is enough initial evidence to indicate an act of domestic terrorism. This more likely a criminal matter, drugs, stolen property, or something of that nature.

To rush to the conclusion that this is an act DT is just irresponsible.
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Deputy Michael Scott Boyington has been with the St John Sheriff's Office for the past 3 years and is currently assigned to the District Attorney's Office as an Invesigator.

[link to stjohnsheriff.org]

A DA investigator
I cannot believe would be "on duty" directing traffic...so either he was off duty "moonlighting"..or the shooting was not just a guy walking up to the traffic cop and shooting starts...


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My 2 cents.

Correction...
The bad guy waited for the Deputyto come into the parking lot, he knew the Deputy worked as a Traffic Cop on the Valero site.

This cop was serving papers,on bad guy sometime earlier * ie.. child support, outstanding warrant for missing a Court date, blah, blah, blah.** Anyway, bad guy stalked and killed policeman just doing his duty..

I'll bet it was divorce papers or child custody papers..

People have had enough of the BOOT on our necks. They need to lighten up just a little.

And,,,

I'll bet a dollar dad guy is an ex navy guy, or Maritime person, or so says my cards. He will be found by the River nears some ships..


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Fuckin grrrrreat...if this is the guy?....this thing is going to explode real fast and real soon....See if I can dig up what sort of "terrorist org" this nimrod was associated with...


The search for a man, who allegedly has ties to a terrorist organization continued Monday evening in the northeast Kansas town of Oketo.

Gage County Nebraska authorities say they know Joekel for making threats, firearms activity, and drug deals.

[link to www.wibw.com]
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He is referred to as having made "terroristic" threats in that article.

"Terroristic threats" can be entirely personal in nature, such as "I'll burn your house down", and do not necessarily imply any connection to a terrorist organisation.

Of course, the rest of y'all are ahead of me on this story, so he may actually have known links to some wacko group.
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Seems they got a leak that named this guy as one of the people involved or even being the shooter...

[link to journalstar.com]
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So harsh words in a bar.. where is the terroristic threat?
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Got a dozen articles all stating the guy has "ties to a terrorist org"...read the links...

Exactly what org?...I don't think has been put out there yet...not easy to find if it is.

Also no confirmation it IS the same guy...but the reporter was sure enough to print it...we'll see if it's true or not..

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Fuckin grrrrreat...if this is the guy?....this thing is going to explode real fast and real soon....See if I can dig up what sort of "terrorist org" this nimrod was associated with...


The search for a man, who allegedly has ties to a terrorist organization continued Monday evening in the northeast Kansas town of Oketo.

Gage County Nebraska authorities say they know Joekel for making threats, firearms activity, and drug deals.

[link to www.wibw.com]
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He is referred to as having made "terroristic" threats in that article.

"Terroristic threats" can be entirely personal in nature, such as "I'll burn your house down", and do not necessarily imply any connection to a terrorist organisation.

Of course, the rest of y'all are ahead of me on this story, so he may actually have known links to some wacko group.
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It says both...
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Well if this IS the guy he's an uber violent dangerous fucktard that had a slew of warrants...who knows...maybe the traffic sherrif and he got into something and he thought he'd get "pulled over" or asked to show ID...he's armed and it's off to the races and already has fled in a high speed chase prior...


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Joekel, 28, Beatrice, is wanted for questioning in pending Nebraska and Kansas cases. He is said to have ties to a terrorist organization, according to a press release from Gage County Sheriff Millard “Gus” Gustafson.

Hargrave reported that a warrant has been issued for Joekel’s arrest, following charges filed Monday morning at Marshall County district court. Joekel will face felony charges of fleeing and eluding, criminal damage to property valued between $1,000 and $25,000, obstruction of legal process and reckless driving.

According to Hargrave, Joekel and Schwartz left Grand Avenue Bar Sunday about 8 p.m. in Barneston, Neb., and Joekel said he was headed into Kansas to kill law enforcement officers. Marshall County officials were alerted by Gage County officials, who had received a tip. Gage County officials said Joekel was armed, dangerous and had ties to a terrorist group.

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Still no confirm...but here's a page from the Nebraska Sherrifs.

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I don't know if this puts him there...but it's the same name in Kenner La...and that's fairly close...

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here's an article about the whole gang from the shreveport paper
apparently the sheriff had the trailer under surveillance recently and were familiar with the suspects .. three guys from the same family are in jail right now


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I don't know if this puts him there...but it's the same name in Kenner La...and that's fairly close...

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"High School 12
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Places him in NE for high school, LA looking for a job -- very likely the same guy.

Anything new on this story?
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here's an article about the whole gang from the shreveport paper
apparently the sheriff had the trailer under surveillance recently and were familiar with the suspects .. three guys from the same family are in jail right now


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See if this link works....sooo..it was the guy...and he seems like he was hooked up with some nice friends too...and this article says 2 shooters...guys applying for fed firearms license...so they could buy full auto firearms if that was granted...buying guns used in the shooting from a pawn shop..this story has all the potential to get traction for the left and the gun grabbers...

WTF was with the surveillance for months when the guys had warrants?...they are down playing the warrants on Joekel...he had to have had at least 4 felony warrants.

This thing is starting to smell real odd...and again they mention some mystery ties to a group, but this time it's an "anti-goverment" group...these scumbags don't strike me as the typical OWS type retards, or AMOWDRC Anarchists Making Out With Dumb Rich Chicks ...more like some militia types if anything....that "tie" has got to be pretty thin..

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I don't know if this puts him there...but it's the same name in Kenner La...and that's fairly close...

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"High School 12
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High School Graduate "

Places him in NE for high school, LA looking for a job -- very likely the same guy.

Anything new on this story?
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Well...it was the guy...2 seperate shooters...they seem like very bad people from what the article says...the local LEO had them on their radar...but why they were still running around lose when it seems like at least a couple of em had warrants?....got me..they might have been hooked into something much larger.
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Muslims?
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Posse Comitatus and heavily armed adherents to an ideology known as the "sovereign citizens" movement.

White extremists.

Gage County Sheriff Millard “Gus” Gustafson told the New Orleans Times-Picayune Friday that he believed Joekel may be tied to the Posse Comitatus -- an anti-government group that was predominant in the Southeast Nebraska in the 1980s but has since dwindled --
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Story now making mainstream national news, tying the shooters and their companions to soveriegn citizens movement:

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The sick thing is, that the Police KNEW these guys were dangerous. Rather, I should say it appears in isolated clusters the police knew these guys were dangerous.

From the looks of it DeSoto Parish, Robertson County Sheriff's Office, Adams, Tennessee, Morehouse Parish Sheriffs , knew that these bad guys went through Nebraska, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, Indiana, South Carolina and Virginia. All these authorities knew of this dangerous situation, yet from the looks of it they sat on the information. They LET these bad guys live in neighborhoods with innocent women and children. Is this not Maleficence in office?

Was it for the BIG ARREST, the Career Maker that these stupid selfish police officers sat on this information?

Further more, what about this.. why wasn't Big Sis Napolitano at DHS all over this? There are warrants from across state lines,obviously some federal jurisdiction there. We need answers.

Speaking of Police, I fear that the Sheriff who had only been in Office 45 days on the day of the shooting was not equipped or properly trained or experienced enough to handle this dangerous situation.. Did the deputies handle the visit to the trailer incorrectly?

A deputy had already been ambushed near the Valero Refinery and shot. The deputies were dispatched to the trailer park on a citizen's tip. However given the FACT there was a previous ambush, St. John's deputies should have gone in heavy with vests, shotguns & AR-15s (if they have them) and maybe brought in State Police on patrol in the area. I don't think St John has a SWAT team.

If they had been investigating a standard assault & battery and received the citizen tip, then 3 deputies would have been fine. But we are talking about a tip after three extremists drove up to a deputy's car and opened fire. That should have put everyone on high alert

The 7 suspects ( that include one black woman) in St. John deputy shootings are tied to a violent anti-government group. Terry Smith admitted to being involved with the Sovereign Citizen Movement.


For the record, I am against too much regulation and a government gone wild, but I also believe in our System of Government, that being doing things legally. Use the courts, use recall, use the voting booth.

These crazies NEED to be rounded up, they are destroying our freedoms with their crazy ideas.
AND...

Mr and Miss policeman, don't sit on this kind of information, make a plan and go in and arrest the bad guys, or at the very least please share the info with ALL of the Police dept. around the country.

You are your Brother’s Keeper

[link to www.nola.com]
Just because YOU don’t believe
in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou,
don’t make you safe; No !

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -- Thomas Paine

"They must find it very difficult...
Those who have taken authority as the truth, Rather than truth as the authority."
- Gerald Massey