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Moving to The Netherlands, Tell Me What to Expect!

 
aNONaMITTy (OP)

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I was just in Amsterdam today for 3 hours. My tenth trip. Decided I want to relocate there as well. Best city in the world IMHO.
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I agree!!

Thread: THE COOLEST CITY IN THE WORLD...AMSTERDAM THE NETHERLANDS.
 Quoting: Sleepy dog 3705




Sleepy Dog, I just watched the 2 videos you posted. Thank you. I am looking in the Limburg area right now and this gives me a good idea of what it's like. Yipee!
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Back soon. Thanks for all the posts.


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I would prefer Americans coming here above northern Dutchies (and i am northern city Guy myself :-)
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TRAITOR ALERT! NSB'ER!
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Wooden shoes ....... Wooden heads ....... Wouldn't listen!

Sums up the Dutch!
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Ral

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No, all "Netherlanders" are Dutch. But not all Netherlanders are Hollanders. Holland is two provinces.

We don't call all Canadians "Ontarians", do we?

So Netherlanders and Dutch are synonymous, but Holland and Netherlands aren't
 Quoting: Ral

it's pretty obvious that Dutchies have SOMETHING TO HIDE!!! Otherwise why would they need THREE DIFFERENT NAMES for their people and country!?!!?!!!??!?!?
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Three names that mean three different things. Did you read and understand my post?
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Got caught with kilo of crack in suitcase.
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Ohhhhhh! So you got deported then? Any jail time?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Aye I got stuck in jail for 4 days the got bail - I wnt to British embassy and they got me flight home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21841759


Yeah, crime in Nederland is somewhat different. I remember a coworker telling me that if you murder someone, you might be able to get off without jail time but if you cheat on your taxes, expect the death penalty.
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Got caught with kilo of crack in suitcase.
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Ohhhhhh! So you got deported then? Any jail time?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Aye I got stuck in jail for 4 days the got bail - I wnt to British embassy and they got me flight home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21841759


Yeah, crime in Nederland is somewhat different. I remember a coworker telling me that if you murder someone, you might be able to get off without jail time but if you cheat on your taxes, expect the death penalty.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14118518


Hahaha. We have no death penalty
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Thank you. I think I've just found out the part of The Netherlands I'd like to try.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy

personally, i love the southerns parts of the netherlands (province Noord-Brabant and Limburg). they are, for me, the ideal mixture between the dutch and the flemish people. there is also a lot more nature, compared to most other provinces in the netherlands.

on both sides of the border in these provinces, you will always have a mixture of both cultures. the actual 'border' is just a sign saying "welcome to holland/belgium" anyway, tollbooths and border police stations have gone since a decade.

if you like to live in a smaller town with plenty of cultural accomodations, and easy public transport to the rest of the netherlands and belgium, try Tilburg.
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More nature? No. That is in the neast and north.
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You have to make a tough choice: Heineken or Grolsch? Don't come to the 'Achterhoek' if you prefer Heineken!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1400299

as a belgian, i'm not ashamed to say that Grolsch is actually a nice beer :)
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One comment: Grolsch is from Twente, not the Achterhoek.
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I came to US as a political refugee from Poland in 1976, with grandiose vision and ideas about the Land Of Free. Slowly this onion got peeled out to about a one string of chive.
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europe is slowly becoming the same sort of police state, .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15782258


nothing like in the us. I see a cop once a month where I live, if I am lucky...
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Left a long time ago cause it started too look more and more like the cesspool we call the US....

You'll feel right at home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21858155





Ugh! I sure hope not. At least it isn't a war-mongering country.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


The Dutch started to get less freedom, police everywhere ridiculous rules.

The Dutch have severe problems with North Africans that cannot adapt. Additionally the US gang culture slowly became the life of a lot of kids. Playing getto.

Now they are closing the coffeeshops practically by issuing crazy laws. In fact they could probably close every coffeeshop TODAY because of the insane 15% THC rule.

For everything there's a rule. And then everything is artificial as the whole country is cultivated or even created (which is an interesting achievement.) Not my thing I like nature and mountains.
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This sounds great. What town did you visit that reminded you of southern France?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


I live in Maastricht in a nice little village just outside the centre called 'Borgharen'. Today we went to Maasmechelen (20 min drive, just in Belgium), which has really nice lakes with a bit of a sandy beach, very very nice!
 Quoting: Daikirai


I was in Maastricht 2 weeks ago.

Such a friendly atmosphere there, totally different from Amsterdam, Rotterdam & The Hague.

Groningen is also nice, Arnhem & Nijmegen too.

Utrecht is supposed to be okay - I can't tell 'cos I never go there.

Haarlem is a very nice town to live - inbetween Amsterdam (15 minutes by train to the east) and the beaches of Zandvoort in the west.
 Quoting: RoXY




Thank you. This is the kind of thing I was hoping for when I posted this thread. I personally prefer to live in a smaller village but had no idea where. Your list is helpful.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Haarlem is expensive.

Try Zwolle, Apeldoorn, Deventer, Amersfoort, Enschede, Hengelo
Ral

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both the netherlands and flanders (roughly the upper half of belgium) don't have any nature left. originally, those regions were either floodland, heath or moorland - but massive forests have been planted during medieval times; those forests have almost been cut entirely these days. a few spots still stand ground, and are more or less untainted.

the only real nature close to the netherlands is either on the german border (forests) or in the southern part of belgium (hills, forests, peatland, farmland).

of course, if you like the seaside, you'll find all you need :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward I am very attracted to Belgium, probably because it seems so much closer to nature. Thanks again.


Like I said: go to the east of Holland: Twente and the Achterhoek. Rural, nature. Enschede has 200K+ inhabintants and a University.
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Seaside in Netherlands?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy

yes. plenty of that. it's not all dikes and deltaworks.
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I like the seaside but I like forests too. Anyplace that has both in The NL?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Bergen & Aardenhout (near Haarlem)
 Quoting: RoXY


Seaside in Netherlands?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy

yes. plenty of that. it's not all dikes and deltaworks.
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I like the seaside but I like forests too. Anyplace that has both in The NL?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Bergen & Aardenhout (near Haarlem)
 Quoting: RoXY


Extremely expensive. More like Beverly Hills
Ral

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This is what attracts me to Europe. The architecture, the culture and green trees, bushes, flowers, etc:. America is too landscapped. Everything is touched by human hands.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy

Huh? Too landscaped bsflag have you ever been to pacific northwest. Norther California,Oregon,Washington
 Quoting: Ready2bugout AKA R2B BOB

indeed. the netherlands and belgium are one of the most densely populated and unnatural landscapes you'll find. its landscaping might look more natural or organically formed, because we have been building stuff for few thousand years, just patching it all together on top of the older stuff.

in general, the netherlands and belgium are quite rural and quiet places to live though. you just can't compare it to the vast natural reserves of eg. the united states or canada.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15782258


You just go to the Veluwe (NL) or the Ardennes (BE) and have a look there
Ral

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yes. plenty of that. it's not all dikes and deltaworks.
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I like the seaside but I like forests too. Anyplace that has both in The NL?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Bergen & Aardenhout (near Haarlem)
 Quoting: RoXY




Will check that out. Thanks.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Not rural, not slow paced... Hyper capitalism galore over there.

Go to Twente, Achterhoek or Drente. Slow paced communities.
T Ceti H.C. Radnarg

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has this been used ,stoned pedophiles below sea level..yeah i know,other countries have stoned pedophiles above sea level,but at least child porn is illegal here or is that just a rumor about Amsterdam?..agent any dutch wish to clear up that rumor?

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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has this been used ,stoned pedophiles below sea level..yeah i know,other countries have stoned pedophiles above sea level,but at least child porn is illegal here or is that just a rumor about Amsterdam?..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg

Of course child porn is illegal here.

And about people being high on hash & weed I'd like to point out that they don't cause the kind of problems (agression being one) alcohol causes.

'Een tevreden roker is geen onrust stoker'.
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Left a long time ago cause it started too look more and more like the cesspool we call the US....

You'll feel right at home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21858155





Ugh! I sure hope not. At least it isn't a war-mongering country.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


The Dutch started to get less freedom, police everywhere ridiculous rules.

The Dutch have severe problems with North Africans that cannot adapt. Additionally the US gang culture slowly became the life of a lot of kids. Playing getto.

Now they are closing the coffeeshops practically by issuing crazy laws. In fact they could probably close every coffeeshop TODAY because of the insane 15% THC rule.

For everything there's a rule. And then everything is artificial as the whole country is cultivated or even created (which is an interesting achievement.) Not my thing I like nature and mountains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21858155


Where did you live? Probably in a big city. We don't have police over here where I live (really!) and at night only 5 cars patrol the entire province :-)

I have seen no gangs because I dont live in Amsterdam...

You must have been a drug tourist going to Amsterdam and getting disappointed ?
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Hey OP,

The beer is a deal!!cheers


Just let me know when you arrive and where you are!

I went 7 times to the US, starting in the Ronald Reagan
and Archie Bunker (lol) periode in 1985.

At that time I was 24, and I went because Bruce Springsteen's album Born in the USA.


Yess the Boss invited me to you country.

I am still a loyal fan, I saw him this year in
Cologne and went for a 2 day trip to Paris to see him!
He is still my inspiration!!

Now he is playing in Fenway Park in Boston, wow
what a history in that stadium, more than 100 years old!


From my location its 3 or 4 hours by train to Paris, London, Brussels, or Berlin, Frankfurt or what ever.
Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague are around 90 minutes.

But at that time in 1985 it were Glory days all the way
for me!!
I went to Orlando/Disneyland 5 days, saw the everglades
and ended up at Key West and got drunk with the sailors.
In Orlando I meet a guy from New York with his girlfriend
they invited me to New York.
So, my first visit to New York was a year later in 86!




My first landing on American ground was
a flight with Pan-Am from Amsterdam to Atlanta.

My first Budweiser was at the transit area at Atlanta.

After 2 hours there I was on the Plane to Miami!

It was my first American city to visit. ( many would follow after that, I tell you later, if you want!)

How I came to the choice Miami?
It was because the series Miami Vice haha


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When I arrived and landed my first time,
Starship had a number one with this!

We built this city!

Cool song I had it on my casette player in the plane
when I landed!

I know I am getting old! lol

aNONaMITTy (OP)

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Wooden shoes ....... Wooden heads ....... Wouldn't listen!

Sums up the Dutch!
 Quoting: ScarfNZ 21929742


grinning
 Quoting: Daikirai





Daikirai, could you email me?
GLPmessages@yahoo.com
aNONaMITTy (OP)

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I came to US as a political refugee from Poland in 1976, with grandiose vision and ideas about the Land Of Free. Slowly this onion got peeled out to about a one string of chive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21515565

europe is slowly becoming the same sort of police state, .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15782258


nothing like in the us. I see a cop once a month where I live, if I am lucky...
 Quoting: Ral





Plus, it doesn't look to me like your cops beat the shit out of somebody and then haul them. I've watched YT videos of arrests there. The cops are pretty polite.
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You have to make a tough choice: Heineken or Grolsch? Don't come to the 'Achterhoek' if you prefer Heineken!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1400299

as a belgian, i'm not ashamed to say that Grolsch is actually a nice beer :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15782258

One comment: Grolsch is from Twente, not the Achterhoek.
 Quoting: Ral

Philistine! ;)

Grolsch mean from Grol (Groenlo in Dutch).
It was brewed there from 1615 to 2004.
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aNONaMITTy (OP)

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Left a long time ago cause it started too look more and more like the cesspool we call the US....

You'll feel right at home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21858155





Ugh! I sure hope not. At least it isn't a war-mongering country.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


The Dutch started to get less freedom, police everywhere ridiculous rules.

The Dutch have severe problems with North Africans that cannot adapt. Additionally the US gang culture slowly became the life of a lot of kids. Playing getto.

Now they are closing the coffeeshops practically by issuing crazy laws. In fact they could probably close every coffeeshop TODAY because of the insane 15% THC rule.

For everything there's a rule. And then everything is artificial as the whole country is cultivated or even created (which is an interesting achievement.) Not my thing I like nature and mountains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21858155




Me too. But, I have a better chance at establishing myself as a Dutch citizen first. Then, I can explore the rest of Eu. to find nature if I can't find it in The Netherlands.

I actually am part German but not enough to establish myself as a citizen there.
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I live in Maastricht in a nice little village just outside the centre called 'Borgharen'. Today we went to Maasmechelen (20 min drive, just in Belgium), which has really nice lakes with a bit of a sandy beach, very very nice!
 Quoting: Daikirai


I was in Maastricht 2 weeks ago.

Such a friendly atmosphere there, totally different from Amsterdam, Rotterdam & The Hague.

Groningen is also nice, Arnhem & Nijmegen too.

Utrecht is supposed to be okay - I can't tell 'cos I never go there.

Haarlem is a very nice town to live - inbetween Amsterdam (15 minutes by train to the east) and the beaches of Zandvoort in the west.
 Quoting: RoXY




Thank you. This is the kind of thing I was hoping for when I posted this thread. I personally prefer to live in a smaller village but had no idea where. Your list is helpful.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Haarlem is expensive.

Try Zwolle, Apeldoorn, Deventer, Amersfoort, Enschede, Hengelo
 Quoting: Ral




Aha! Thank you for that list. I will check them out.
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This is what attracts me to Europe. The architecture, the culture and green trees, bushes, flowers, etc:. America is too landscapped. Everything is touched by human hands.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy

Huh? Too landscaped bsflag have you ever been to pacific northwest. Norther California,Oregon,Washington
 Quoting: Ready2bugout AKA R2B BOB

indeed. the netherlands and belgium are one of the most densely populated and unnatural landscapes you'll find. its landscaping might look more natural or organically formed, because we have been building stuff for few thousand years, just patching it all together on top of the older stuff.

in general, the netherlands and belgium are quite rural and quiet places to live though. you just can't compare it to the vast natural reserves of eg. the united states or canada.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15782258


You just go to the Veluwe (NL) or the Ardennes (BE) and have a look there
 Quoting: Ral




OK, thank you again. I'm looking them up right now.
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I like the seaside but I like forests too. Anyplace that has both in The NL?
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Bergen & Aardenhout (near Haarlem)
 Quoting: RoXY




Will check that out. Thanks.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


Not rural, not slow paced... Hyper capitalism galore over there.

Go to Twente, Achterhoek or Drente. Slow paced communities.
 Quoting: Ral



I checked out Achterhoek yesterday. I'll check out the other two today. Thanks.
aNONaMITTy (OP)

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Left a long time ago cause it started too look more and more like the cesspool we call the US....

You'll feel right at home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21858155





Ugh! I sure hope not. At least it isn't a war-mongering country.
 Quoting: aNONaMITTy


The Dutch started to get less freedom, police everywhere ridiculous rules.

The Dutch have severe problems with North Africans that cannot adapt. Additionally the US gang culture slowly became the life of a lot of kids. Playing getto.

Now they are closing the coffeeshops practically by issuing crazy laws. In fact they could probably close every coffeeshop TODAY because of the insane 15% THC rule.

For everything there's a rule. And then everything is artificial as the whole country is cultivated or even created (which is an interesting achievement.) Not my thing I like nature and mountains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21858155


Where did you live? Probably in a big city. We don't have police over here where I live (really!) and at night only 5 cars patrol the entire province :-)

I have seen no gangs because I dont live in Amsterdam...

You must have been a drug tourist going to Amsterdam and getting disappointed ?
 Quoting: Ral




What part of the country are you in Ral? (If you don't mind me asking.)
aNONaMITTy (OP)

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Hey OP,

The beer is a deal!!cheers


Just let me know when you arrive and where you are!

I went 7 times to the US, starting in the Ronald Reagan
and Archie Bunker (lol) periode in 1985.

At that time I was 24, and I went because Bruce Springsteen's album Born in the USA.


Yess the Boss invited me to you country.

I am still a loyal fan, I saw him this year in
Cologne and went for a 2 day trip to Paris to see him!
He is still my inspiration!!

Now he is playing in Fenway Park in Boston, wow
what a history in that stadium, more than 100 years old!


From my location its 3 or 4 hours by train to Paris, London, Brussels, or Berlin, Frankfurt or what ever.
Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague are around 90 minutes.

But at that time in 1985 it were Glory days all the way
for me!!
I went to Orlando/Disneyland 5 days, saw the everglades
and ended up at Key West and got drunk with the sailors.
In Orlando I meet a guy from New York with his girlfriend
they invited me to New York.
So, my first visit to New York was a year later in 86!




My first landing on American ground was
a flight with Pan-Am from Amsterdam to Atlanta.

My first Budweiser was at the transit area at Atlanta.

After 2 hours there I was on the Plane to Miami!

It was my first American city to visit. ( many would follow after that, I tell you later, if you want!)

How I came to the choice Miami?
It was because the series Miami Vice haha



 Quoting: Sleepy dog 3705





LOL! Thanks for sharing your story. And sure, I enjoy hearing about your adventures, whatever and wherever they take place.

I'll post here when I get some more details worked out. In the meantime, take my email address. Several of the posters here are keeping in touch that way too.

We'll have a party as soon as I get there. It should be fun meeting other GLP'ers and of course, I'd like to thank everybody for the help. You guys are a fun bunch of folks. We'll have a beer fest and you guys can watch me try every brand you come up with, LOL!


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