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Is there scientific evidence for an intelligent designer aka God?

 
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Nope. That is why it is called faith.
 Quoting: Psych


Its called the faith of Jesus. There is plenty of evidence for the faith.
 Quoting: Axx 22068026


Christianity is Faith with evidence.

Naturalism is Faith with no evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


Two types of understanding come from two types of knowledge..

priori knowledge: or justification is independent of experience

and

posteriori knowledge: or justification is dependent on experience or empirical evidence

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Indeed, many people testify to having the experience of being saved by Jesus Christ, and having their lives changes radically in a short amount of time.

Couple this with extremely strong historical evidence, and we are looking at a phenomena that you can not simply pass off as some mass delusion.


Now lets look at the case for Naturalism: ... crickets... ummmm... maybe it was aliens...?
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Its called the faith of Jesus. There is plenty of evidence for the faith.
 Quoting: Axx 22068026


Christianity is Faith with evidence.

Naturalism is Faith with no evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


Two types of understanding come from two types of knowledge..

priori knowledge: or justification is independent of experience

and

posteriori knowledge: or justification is dependent on experience or empirical evidence

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Indeed, many people testify to having the experience of being saved by Jesus Christ, and having their lives changes radically in a short amount of time.

Couple this with extremely strong historical evidence, and we are looking at a phenomena that you can not simply pass off as some mass delusion.


Now lets look at the case for Naturalism: ... crickets... ummmm... maybe it was aliens...?
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The evidence for God is clear and overwhelming, it is all around you, it is right in front of your eyes.

Evolution and naturalism, ummm, not so much.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The cause appears to be simple...
We're at a crossroad of sorts where science and religion/spirituality are both close enough to truth to communicate REAL TIME INFO to the masses via intuitive senses rather than people needing to rely on being TOLD what is real.
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The evidence is overwhelming and too numerous to post here.

Science proves most scientists are wrong or lie to keep getting grant money.

Here are some sites that show great examples of our Creator's handiwork.

[link to www.creationtoday.org]

[link to www.6000years.org]

[link to www.arrivalofthefittest.com]
“If Noah’s flood really did occur, what would you expect to find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.” And guess what we find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.
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Is there scientific evidence for an intelligent designer aka God?
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Nope. That is why it is called faith.
 Quoting: Psych


Its called the faith of Jesus. There is plenty of evidence for the faith.
 Quoting: Axx 22068026


Regardless of Christianities perspective that Jesus is God, the topic of this thread is whether there is evidence for a God.

And there is simply no evidence for it. There might be a God, but there is no evidence for it.

If there was evidence for a God, we wouldn't have had this debate, and it wouldn't have been a matter of faith, it would have been a matter of fact.
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There's no scientific evidence. People chose to believe it on faith.

But critical look through nature would conclude either there is no designer or the designer is not intelligent. So many poor designs are out there.
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Can you point to any evidence that any lifeform we see today had natural origins? Do you base THAT faith on anything at all?

And can you point to a design in nature that doesn't work? Do you realize how amazing it is that everything works in the first place and shares endless symbiotic relationships?
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yes it's called creation and universal laws
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And there is simply no evidence for it. There might be a God, but there is no evidence for it.
 Quoting: Psych


What exactly do you call a naturally inexplicable universe, life, and human consciousness?

The evidence is literally right under your nose, but you're viewing the world through the NATURALIST FAITH, and you don't even realize it.

You're not skeptical, you're faithful.
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The simple answer is NO.

The rest is just people twisting and turning every which way to try and justify their faith.
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Is there scientific evidence for an intelligent designer aka God?
 Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI


Nope. That is why it is called faith.
 Quoting: Psych


Its called the faith of Jesus. There is plenty of evidence for the faith.
 Quoting: Axx 22068026


Regardless of Christianities perspective that Jesus is God, the topic of this thread is whether there is evidence for a God.

And there is simply no evidence for it. There might be a God, but there is no evidence for it.

If there was evidence for a God, we wouldn't have had this debate, and it wouldn't have been a matter of faith, it would have been a matter of fact.
 Quoting: Psych


How droll.

"“There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.” - Albert Einstein
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Re: Is there scientific evidence for an intelligent designer aka God?
Scientific I don't think so.


God will give those that really seek him as personal evidence.
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Nope. That is why it is called faith.
 Quoting: Psych


Its called the faith of Jesus. There is plenty of evidence for the faith.
 Quoting: Axx 22068026


Regardless of Christianities perspective that Jesus is God, the topic of this thread is whether there is evidence for a God.

And there is simply no evidence for it. There might be a God, but there is no evidence for it.

If there was evidence for a God, we wouldn't have had this debate, and it wouldn't have been a matter of faith, it would have been a matter of fact.
 Quoting: Psych


How droll.

"“There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.” - Albert Einstein
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Which of course means that, if everything is a miracle, there's no special prof of good, just faith that good made everything, is omnipotent, etc.

But believing something is, and GLP should teach everyone this, not proof or evidence, in and of itself.

People can believe what they like but, there's no evidence for god.
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Re: Is there scientific evidence for an intelligent designer aka God?
Which of course means that, if everything is a miracle, there's no special prof of good, just faith that good made everything, is omnipotent, etc.

But believing something is, and GLP should teach everyone this, not proof or evidence, in and of itself.

People can believe what they like but, there's no evidence for god.
 Quoting: seethelight


There are strong logical inferences to God. One of them being that Naturalism fails miserably to account for even a working theory of the origins of anything.

In general, it is perfectly logical to assume a creation had an intelligent creator.
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Re: Is there scientific evidence for an intelligent designer aka God?
Which of course means that, if everything is a miracle, there's no special prof of good, just faith that good made everything, is omnipotent, etc.

But believing something is, and GLP should teach everyone this, not proof or evidence, in and of itself.

People can believe what they like but, there's no evidence for god.
 Quoting: seethelight


There are strong logical inferences to God. One of them being that Naturalism fails miserably to account for even a working theory of the origins of anything.

In general, it is perfectly logical to assume a creation had an intelligent creator.
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No it's not.

It's never to logically assume something based on no evidence, especially when there is at least some evidence that things can occur without a all powerful creator.

It's never logical to assume that lack of evidence for god is in fact evidence for god.
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No, Christian Science is not based on anything even close to Science.
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I think intelligent design is more plausible than not. What says you?
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I know what Chuck Missler says, and he is much smarter than me.





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Re: Is there scientific evidence for an intelligent designer aka God?
Which of course means that, if everything is a miracle, there's no special prof of good, just faith that good made everything, is omnipotent, etc.

But believing something is, and GLP should teach everyone this, not proof or evidence, in and of itself.

People can believe what they like but, there's no evidence for god.
 Quoting: seethelight


There are strong logical inferences to God. One of them being that Naturalism fails miserably to account for even a working theory of the origins of anything.

In general, it is perfectly logical to assume a creation had an intelligent creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


No it's not.

It's never to logically assume something based on no evidence, especially when there is at least some evidence that things can occur without a all powerful creator.

It's never logical to assume that lack of evidence for god is in fact evidence for god.
 Quoting: seethelight


The evidence is a creation that defies natural origin.

It's right there for you to see.

Admittedly it is still a leap of faith to conclude "God" but it is still more rational than "all of this came together naturally SOMEHOW!"

Naturalism requires an incredible amount of faith. Science has shown us that.
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Which of course means that, if everything is a miracle, there's no special prof of good, just faith that good made everything, is omnipotent, etc.

But believing something is, and GLP should teach everyone this, not proof or evidence, in and of itself.

People can believe what they like but, there's no evidence for god.
 Quoting: seethelight


There are strong logical inferences to God. One of them being that Naturalism fails miserably to account for even a working theory of the origins of anything.

In general, it is perfectly logical to assume a creation had an intelligent creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


No it's not.

It's never to logically assume something based on no evidence, especially when there is at least some evidence that things can occur without a all powerful creator.

It's never logical to assume that lack of evidence for god is in fact evidence for god.
 Quoting: seethelight


The evidence is a creation that defies natural origin.

It's right there for you to see.

Admittedly it is still a leap of faith to conclude "God" but it is still more rational than "all of this came together naturally SOMEHOW!"

Naturalism requires an incredible amount of faith. Science has shown us that.
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That's not evidence.

Just because you don't know the answer, that's not evidence that some random speculation is true.

We have seen, for instance, evolution in species, we have seen geologic process, evidence for a big bang, etc.etc. etc.


We have seen NO evidence for god. At all.
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No, but our eyes all look like the Big Bang.
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No, Christian Science is not based on anything even close to Science.
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You do realize that modern science was developed on the backs of Christian Scientists, right?

And the "top minds" of the academic world have consistently reiterated that organic life and the universe itself simply defies naturalism..

Not to mention there are plenty of prestigious scientists that staunchly defend Creationism. They are censored.

It is only celebrity fundamental atheists that keep pushing the Naturalism as "the only rational conclusion", and continue to viciously slander any opposition.
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No, Christian Science is not based on anything even close to Science.
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You do realize that modern science was developed on the backs of Christian Scientists, right?

And the "top minds" of the academic world have consistently reiterated that organic life and the universe itself simply defies naturalism..

Not to mention there are plenty of prestigious scientists that staunchly defend Creationism. They are censored.

It is only celebrity fundamental atheists that keep pushing the Naturalism as "the only rational conclusion", and continue to viciously slander any opposition.
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They're not censored, but scientific journals aren't gonna take their faith based research...
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Just because you don't know the answer, that's not evidence that some random speculation is true.
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Then why do you believe in natural origins based on pure speculation?

We have seen, for instance, evolution in species, we have seen geologic process, evidence for a big bang, etc.etc. etc.
 Quoting: seethelight


You've seen evidence for small micro variations in species. The rest goes on pure assumption. Big Bang is evidence that the universe had a beginning and a singular source. (It's too bad the Naturalists couldn't hold onto that "universe without beginning or end" hypothesis." Now they're stuck holding the silly "something from nothing" bag)

We have seen NO evidence for god. At all.
 Quoting: seethelight


If you're practicing faith in Naturalism, you will not accept anything as evidence for God. Try a little skepticism of your own faith.
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No, Christian Science is not based on anything even close to Science.
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You do realize that modern science was developed on the backs of Christian Scientists, right?

And the "top minds" of the academic world have consistently reiterated that organic life and the universe itself simply defies naturalism..

Not to mention there are plenty of prestigious scientists that staunchly defend Creationism. They are censored.

It is only celebrity fundamental atheists that keep pushing the Naturalism as "the only rational conclusion", and continue to viciously slander any opposition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


They're not censored, but scientific journals aren't gonna take their faith based research...
 Quoting: seethelight


Academic Journals LOVE faith-based research. As long as it is the Faith of Naturalism.

Watching the naturalists slip and slide through all of the errors, frauds, and blind-faith assumptions with the Macro-Evolution fairytale is like watching an episode of the Marx Brothers.
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And there is simply no evidence for it. There might be a God, but there is no evidence for it.
 Quoting: Psych


What exactly do you call a naturally inexplicable universe, life, and human consciousness?

The evidence is literally right under your nose, but you're viewing the world through the NATURALIST FAITH, and you don't even realize it.

You're not skeptical, you're faithful.
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I am skeptical towards the supernatural explanation due to a lack of evidence.

Science studies the laws of nature. You are proposing that there is something outside of the bounds of these laws which we can't measure but created these natural laws. Laws, which by the way, you reject. i.e. evolution.

Everything that you view as evidence of God is based on natural laws.
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Three decades ago Dr. Frank Salisbury of Utah State University, U.S.A., calculated the odds of the spontaneous formation of a basic DNA molecule essential for the appearance of life. The calculations revealed the probability to be so tiny that it is considered mathematically impossible.


He assumed that this molecule had the opportunity to develop by natural chemical reactions on 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1020) “hospitable” planets over a period of four billion years. What are the chances that a single DNA molecule formed? By his estimate, one in 10 to the 415th power!
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That's only valid if you assume that DNA is essential to life, and there's no reason to believe that.
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heres my question. With all that man has endured thru nature, the most puzzling is this how did man survive the ravages of plague. There is no explanation. The knowledge of epideology would suggests that mankind should have faded into extinction a long time ago, and yet we are still here. The nature of disease is to invade the body and destroy it, about the time the human body's immune system adapts and sends t cells to attack the invading bacterium, the disease has mutated many times, rendering our defenses weak and useless thus the many deaths recorded in history. How did we survive the perfect killing machine if not by the hand of a divine being?
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And the "top minds" of the academic world have consistently reiterated that organic life and the universe itself simply defies naturalism..
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For example?

Not to mention there are plenty of prestigious scientists that staunchly defend Creationism. They are censored.
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Again, some examples, please?
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Just because you don't know the answer, that's not evidence that some random speculation is true.
 Quoting: seethelight


Then why do you believe in natural origins based on pure speculation?

We have seen, for instance, evolution in species, we have seen geologic process, evidence for a big bang, etc.etc. etc.
 Quoting: seethelight


You've seen evidence for small micro variations in species. The rest goes on pure assumption. Big Bang is evidence that the universe had a beginning and a singular source. (It's too bad the Naturalists couldn't hold onto that "universe without beginning or end" hypothesis." Now they're stuck holding the silly "something from nothing" bag)

We have seen NO evidence for god. At all.
 Quoting: seethelight


If you're practicing faith in Naturalism, you will not accept anything as evidence for God. Try a little skepticism of your own faith.
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1. It's NOT based on speculation. The theories are based on evidence.

2. There's plenty of evidence of evolution that doesn't involve micro-organisms. Things like blind catfish in caves, etc. There's also a LOT of evidence for the big bang.

But sure there could be ONE piece of evidence for evolution, just one, and that would be more than all the evidence for god.

I am sceptical, but I follow the evidence, not the lack of evidence. There's SOME evidence for scientific origin theories and NO evidence for god based theories. Try having higher standards than: I can't explain it, or understand the explanations, ergo, God did it.
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And there is simply no evidence for it. There might be a God, but there is no evidence for it.
 Quoting: Psych


What exactly do you call a naturally inexplicable universe, life, and human consciousness?

The evidence is literally right under your nose, but you're viewing the world through the NATURALIST FAITH, and you don't even realize it.

You're not skeptical, you're faithful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


I am skeptical towards the supernatural explanation due to a lack of evidence.

Science studies the laws of nature. You are proposing that there is something outside of the bounds of these laws which we can't measure but created these natural laws. Laws, which by the way, you reject. i.e. evolution.

Everything that you view as evidence of God is based on natural laws.
 Quoting: Psych


Exactly, you have a rigid faith in natural laws (or naturalism) as the ultimate explanation for everything.

The logical problem of where these natural laws originated, is not fathomable to you. You've closed your mind off to such questions because asking them violates your faith.

Micro-Evolution is an observable fact. It is a pure assumption that "millions of years" removes the barriers that we observe daily. Macro-Evolution is not even a working theory.

Nobody rejects Natural Laws of which its effects can be measured or observed. And Macro-Evolution is certainly not one of these.

Natural origin is based on total Faith, and remains irrational and inexplicable according to the natural laws of Science itself.
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Three decades ago Dr. Frank Salisbury of Utah State University, U.S.A., calculated the odds of the spontaneous formation of a basic DNA molecule essential for the appearance of life. The calculations revealed the probability to be so tiny that it is considered mathematically impossible.


He assumed that this molecule had the opportunity to develop by natural chemical reactions on 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1020) “hospitable” planets over a period of four billion years. What are the chances that a single DNA molecule formed? By his estimate, one in 10 to the 415th power!
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That's only valid if you assume that DNA is essential to life, and there's no reason to believe that.
 Quoting: ToSeek


Except that every living thing has DNA, and things like rocks and aluminium siding don't.

Geez, DNA isn't essential to life? That's pretty ridiculous.

Maybe you're just extremely ignorant?:

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