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Baruch, Jeremiah's scribe wrote an interesting end-time prophetic work re: sun-powered UFO/Solar Sail

 
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Be sure to read/scroll down to the bottom for passages and excerpt of this book. These passages pass the scriptural validity test and clearly describe an enormous craft, powered by the sun as part of end time prophecy.




Book of Baruch

The Book of Baruch, occasionally referred to as 1 Baruch, is called a deuterocanonical book of the Bible. Although not in the Hebrew Bible, it is found in the Septuagint and in the Vulgate Bible, and also in Theodotion's version.[1] It is grouped with the prophetical books which also include Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, and the twelve minor prophets. It is named after Baruch ben Neriah, Jeremiah's scribe. Some scholars propose that it was written during or shortly after the period of the Maccabees.[2] In the Vulgate, the King James Bible, and many other versions, the Letter of Jeremiah is appended to the end of the Book of Baruch as a sixth chapter.

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Use in the New Testament:
Lk 13:29 bears relation to Baruch 4:37 [1].
Jn 3:13 bears relation to Baruch 3:29 (ibid.).
1 Cor 10:20 bears relation to Baruch 4:7 (ibid.).
Jn 1:14 bears relation to Baruch 3:38 (numbered 3:37 in most modern translations) as well as to Lev 26:11-12, 1 kg 8:27, and Psalms 85:9.

Contents.

One of the Apocryphal or so-called deuterocanonic books of the Old Testament. It consists of two parts. The first (i. 1-iii. 8) is in the form of a prose letter with a historical introduction. Baruch, the secretary of Jeremiah, having written a book, reads it before King Jehoiachin and the exiles in Babylon. The people weep, fast, and pray. Then they make a collection of money, which they send to Jerusalem to be used for the Temple service, with an injunction to pray for the life of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and that of Belshazzar, his son, so that the people may dwell in peace under the shadow of these princes (i. 1-14). A letter follows, which is presumably the one written by Baruch, although not expressly mentioned as such. This letter (i. 15-iii. 8) is a confession of national sin, a recognition of the justness of the nation's punishment, and a prayer for mercy.

The second part of the book (iii. 9-v. 9), which differs greatly in form and tone from the first, consists of two poems, the first of which (iii. 9-iv. 4) is an exhortation to Israel to learn wisdom, which is described as the source of all happiness, and as "the book of the commandments of God." The second poem (iv. 5-v. 9) is a picture of the suffering of Israel, and an exhortation to Jerusalem to take heart and await hopefully the salvation of God, Jerusalem being here represented as a desolate widow mourning over the distress of her children.

Canonicity:

The Book of Baruch was never accepted as canonical by the Palestinian jewish people (Baba Batra 14b). According to the "Apostolical Constitutions," it was read in public worship on the tenth day of the month Gorpiaios (probably Ab). This statement, however, can hardly be considered authoritative; and even if it be correct, it can refer only to the usage of some group of Hellenistic jewish people. If, as is probable, the first part of the book was written in Hebrew, its exclusion from the Palestinian canon must have been owing to its supposed lack of prophetic authority. It was, however, accepted by the Alexandrian jewish people as a work of edification; and through the medium of the Septuagint it passed into the hands of the Christians, among whom it speedily became popular, being often quoted by Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, and many others as a work of Jeremiah and as sacred Scripture. In a number of early Christian canonical lists the work was included in Jeremiah, and together with the other Apocryphal books was pronounced canonical (deuterocanonical) by the Council of Trent (1545-63). Its canonicity, however, is not accepted by the Protestant churches. Besides its value as a mirror of the time, the book, though devoid of new ideas, contains many liturgical and poetical passages of great beauty and power.

The Epistle of Jeremiah is usually printed as an appendix to the Book of Baruch and marked as ch. vi. of that book. It is, however, an independent work.

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The books of Baruch and epistle of Jeremiah.
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Third Baruch

From The Apocrypha and Pseudeipgrapha of the Old Testament by R. H. Charles, vol. II , Oxford Press

Prologue. 1 A narrative and revelation of Baruch, concerning those ineffable things which he saw by command of God. Bless Thou, O Lord. 2 A revelation of Baruch, who stood upon the river Gel weeping over the captivity of 3 Jerusalem, when also Abimelech was preserved by the hand of God, at the farm of Agrippa. And he was sitting thus at the beautiful gates, where the Holy of holies lay.

1 1 Verily I Baruch was weeping in my mind and sorrowing on account of the people, and that 2 Nebuchadnezzar the king was permitted by God to destroy His city, saying: Lord, why didst Thou set on fire Thy vineyard, and lay it waste? Why didst Thou do this? And why, Lord, didst Thou not requite us with another chastisement, but didst deliver us to nations such as these, so that they 3 reproach us and say, Where is their God? And behold as I was weeping and saying such things, I saw an angel of the Lord coming and saying to me: Understand, O man, greatly beloved, and trouble not thyself so greatly concerning the salvation of Jerusalem, for thus saith the Lord God, 4 the Almighty. For He sent me before thee, to make known and to show to thee all (the things) 5, 6 of God. For thy prayer was heard before Him, and entered into the ears of the Lord God. And when he had said these things to me, I was silent. And the angel said to me: Cease to provoke 7 God, and I will show thee other mysteries, greater than these. And I Baruch said, As the Lord God liveth, if thou wilt show me, and I hear a word of thine, I will not continue to speak any longer. 8 God shall add to my judgement in the day of judgement, if I speak hereafter. And the angel of the powers said to me, Come, and I will show thee the mysteries of God.

The First Heaven 2 1 And he took me and led me where the firmament has been set fast, and where there was a river 2 which no one can cross, nor any strange breeze of all those which God created. And he took me and led me to the first heaven, and showed me a door of great size. And he said to me, Let us enter 3 through it, and we entered as though borne on wings, a distance of about thirty days journey. And he showed me within the heaven a plain; and there were men dwelling thereon, with the faces of 4 oxen, and the horns of stags, and the feet of goats, and the haunches of lambs. And I Baruch asked the angel, Make known to me, I pray thee, what is the thickness of the heaven in which we journeyed, 5 or what is its extent, or what is the plain, in order that I may also tell the sons of men? And the angel whose name is Phanuel said to me: This door which thou seest is the door of heaven, and as great as is the distance from earth to heaven, so great also is its thickness; and again as great as is the distance (from North to South, so great) is the length of the plain which thou didst see. And again the angel of the powers said to me, Come, and I will show thee greater mysteries. But 6, 7 I said, I pray thee show me what are these men. And he said to me, These are they who built the tower of strife against God, and the Lord banished them.

The Second Heaven. 3 1 And the angel of the Lord took me and led me to a second heaven. And he showed me there 2 also a door like the first and said, Let us. enter through it. And we entered, being borne on wings 3 a distance of about sixty days' journey. And he showed me there also a plain, and it was full of 4 men, whose appearance was like that of dogs, and whose feet were like those of stags. And I asked 5 the angel: I pray thee, Lord, say to me who are these. And he said, These are they who gave counsel to build the tower, for they whom thou seest drove forth multitudes of both men and women to make bricks; among whom, a woman making bricks was not allowed to be released in the hour of child-birth, but brought forth while she was making bricks, and carried her child in her apron, and 6 continued to make bricks. And the Lord appeared to them and confused their speech, when they 7 had built the tower to the height of four hundred and sixty-three cubits. And they took a gimlet, and sought to pierce the heaven, saying, Let us see (whether) the heaven is made of clay, or of 8 brass, or of iron. When God saw this He did not permit them, but smote them with blindness and confusion of speech, and rendered them as thou seest.

The Third Heaven. 4 1 And I Baruch said, Behold, Lord, Thou didst show me great and wonderful things; and now 2 show me all things for the sake of the Lord. And the angel said to me, Come, let us proceed. (And I proceeded) with the angel from that place about one hundred and eighty-five days' 3 journey.

And he showed me a plain and a serpent, which appeared to be two hundred plethra 4 in length. And he showed me Hades, and its appearance was dark and abominable. And I said, 5 Who is this dragon, and who is this monster around him? And the angel said, The dragon is he 6 who eats the bodies of those who spend their life wickedly, and he is nourished by them. And this is Hades, which itself also closely resembles him, in that it also drinks about a cubit from 7 the sea, which does not sink at all.

Baruch said, And how does this happens? And the angel said, Hearken, the Lord God made three hundred and sixty rivers, of which the chief of 8 all are Alphias, Abyrus, and the Gericus; and because of these the sea does not sink. And I said, I pray thee show me which is the tree which led Adam astray. And the angel said to me, It is the vine, which the angel Sammael planted, whereat the Lord God was angry, and He cursed him and his plant, while also on this account He did not permit Adam to touch it, and therefore 9 the devil being envious deceived him through his vine.

[And I Baruch said, Since also the vine has been the cause of such great evil, and is under judgement of the curse of God, and was the 10 destruction of the first created, how is it now so useful? And the angel said, Thou askest aright. When God caused the deluge upon earth, and destroyed all flesh, and four hundred and nine thousand giants, and the water rose fifteen cubits above the highest mountains, then the water entered into paradise and destroyed every flower; but it removed wholly without the bounds the shoot 11 of the vine and cast it outside.

And when the earth appeared out of the water, and Noah came out 12 of the ark, he began to plant of the plants which he found. But he found also the shoot of the vine; and he took it, and was reasoning in himself, What then is it ? And I came and spake to 13 him the things concerning it. And he said, Shall I plant it, or what shall I do ? Since Adam was destroyed because of it, let me not also meet with the anger of God because of it.

And saying 14 these things he prayed that God would reveal to him what he should do concerning it. And when he had completed the prayer which Lasted forty days, and having besought many things and wept, 15 he said: Lord, I entreat thee to reveal to me what I shall do concerning this plant. But God sent his angel Sarasael, and said to him, Arise, Noah, and plant the shoot of the vine, for thus saith the Lord: Its bitterness shall be changed into sweetness, and its curse shall become a blessing, and that which is produced from it shall become the blood of God; and as through it the human race obtained condemnation, so again through Jesus Christ the Immanuel will they receive in Him the 16 upward calling, and the entry into paradise]. Know therefore, O Baruch, that as Adam through this very tree obtained condemnation, and was divested of the glory of God, so also the men who now drink insatiably the wine which is begotten of it, transgress worse than Adam, and are far from the 17 glory of God, and are surrendering themselves to the eternal fire.

For (no) good comes through it. For those who drink it to surfeit do these things: neither does a brother pity his brother, nor a father his son, nor children their parents, but from the drinking of wine come all evils, such as murders, adulteries, fornications, perjuries, thefts, and such like. And nothing good is established by it. 5 1, 2 And I Baruch said to the angel, Let me ask thee one thing, Lord. Since thou didst say to me 3 that the dragon drinks one cubit out of the sea, say to me also, how great is his belly? And the angel said, His belly is Hades; and as far as a plummet is thrown (by) three hundred men, so great is his belly. Come, then, that I may show thee also greater works than these. 6 1 And he took me and led me where the sun goes forth; and he showed me a chariot and four, under which burnt a fire, and in the chariot was sitting a man, wearing a crown of fire, (and) the chariot (was) drawn by forty angels. And behold a bird circling before the sun, about nine 3 cubits away.

And I said to the angel, What is this bird? And he said to me, This is the 4, 5 guardian of the earth. And I said, Lord, how is he the guardian of the earth? Teach me. And the angel said to me, This bird flies alongside of the sun, and expanding his wings receives its fiery 6 rays. For if he were not receiving them, the human race would not be preserved, nor any other 7 living creature. But God appointed this bird thereto. And he expanded his wings, and I saw on his right wing very large letters, as large as the space of a threshing-floor, the size of about four 8 thousand modii; and the letters were of gold. And the angel said to me, Read them. And I read, 9 and they ran thus: Neither earth nor heaven bring me forth, but wings of fire bring me forth. And 10 I said, Lord, what is this bird, and what is his name? And the angel said to me, His name is called 11 Phoenix. (And I said), And what does he eat ? And he said to me, The manna of heaven and 12 the dew of earth. And I said, Does the bird excrete? And he said to me, He excretes a worm, and the excrement of the worm is cinnamon, which kings and princes use. But wait and thou shalt 13 see the glory of God. And while he was conversing with me, there was as a thunder-clap, and the place was shaken on which we were standing.

And I asked the angel, My Lord, what is this sound? And the angel said to me, Even now the angels are opening the three hundred and sixty-five gates 14 of heaven, and the light is being separated from the darkness. And a voice came which said, Light 15 giver, give to the world radiance. And when I heard the noise of the bird, I said, Lord, what is this 16 noise? And he said, This is the bird who awakens from slumber the cocks upon earth. For as men do through the mouth, so also does the cock signify to those in the world, in his own speech. For the sun is made ready by the angels, and the cock crows. 7 1, 2 And I said, And where does the sun begin its labours, after the cock crows? And the angel said to me, Listen, Baruch: All things whatsoever I showed thee are in the first and second heaven, and in the third heaven the sun passes through and gives light to the world. But wait, and thou 3 shall see the glory of God. And while I was conversing with him, I saw the bird, and he appeared 4 in front, and grew less and less, and at length returned to his full size.

And behind him I saw the shining sun
, and the angels which draw it, and a crown upon its head, the sight of which we were 5 not able to gaze upon; and behold. And as soon as the sun shone, the Phoenix also stretched out his wings. But I, when I beheld such great glory, was brought low with great fear, and I fled and 6 hid in the wings of the angel. And the angel said to me, Fear not, Baruch, but wait and thou shalt also see their setting. 8 1 And he took me and led me towards the west; and when the time of the setting came, I saw again the bird coming before it, and as soon as he came I saw the angels, and they lifted the crown 2, 3 from its head. But the bird stood exhausted and with wings contracted. And beholding these things, I said, Lord, wherefore did they lift the crown from the head of the sun, and wherefore is 4 the bird so exhausted? And the angel said to me, The crown of the sun, when it has run through the day four angels take it, and bear it up to heaven, and renew it, because it and its rays have been defiled upon earth; moreover it is so renewed each day.

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excerpt:

"And I said to the angel, What is this bird? And he said to me, This is the guardian of the earth. And I said, Lord, how is he the guardian of the earth? Teach me. And the angel said to me, This bird flies alongside of the sun, and expanding his wings receives its fiery rays. For if he were not receiving them, the human race would not be preserved, nor any other living creature. But God appointed this bird thereto. And he expanded his wings, and I saw on his right wing very large letters, as large as the space of a threshing-floor, the size of about four thousand modii; and the letters were of gold. And the angel said to me, Read them. And I read, and they ran thus: Neither earth nor heaven bring me forth, but wings of fire bring me forth. And I said, Lord, what is this bird, and what is his name? And the angel said to me, His name is called Phoenix. (And I said), And what does he eat ? And he said to me, The manna of heaven and the dew of earth. And I said, Does the bird excrete? And he said to me, He excretes a worm, and the excrement of the worm is cinnamon, which kings and princes use. But wait and thou shalt see the glory of God. And while he was conversing with me, there was as a thunder-clap, and the place was shaken on which we were standing."



this "bird" with the writing on the wings sounds very very much like a space craft that utilizes the sun for power called "Pheonix".

Modi as a type of lettering:
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Modi is also a unit of measurement.
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the book of Baruch consists of 6 chapters which can be read here:

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Epistle of Jeremiah:

I. TITLE

In Cod.B, A, the title is "Epistle of Jeremiah," in Cod.Q simply "Epistle"; but in some Greek MSS it follows Baruch without a break, and is therefore without a title; similarly in the Vulgate, where it forms chap.vi of Baruch without any title. The RV title is thus taken from the Septuagint.

II. CONTENTS OF THE BOOK

This rambling and unedifying fragment does not lend itself to a clear analysis of its contents; but some attempt must be made to describe these.

The Epistle purports to have been written by the prophet Jeremiah to the exiles in Babylon; this is stated in the superscription, which is evidently not an original part of the Epistle; according to it the people are not yet in exile. The name of Jeremiah never occurs in the Epistle itself.

The prophet tells his people, who are represented as still in Palestine, that because of their sins they are to be carried captive to Babylon. The captivity will last for seven generations, and then the exiles will be brought out in peace (vv.2, 3). A description is then given of the idols, silver, golden, and wooden, of Babylon, of their inability to hear or help their worshippers, and therefore the folly of serving them (vv.4-27). A further emphasis on the impotence of idols follows, together with an exposure of their priests (vv.28-39). How, it is asked, can such impotent images be called gods? And how can men be so foolish as to worship what their own hands have fashioned? Better to be a king who shows his manhood, or even a household utensil, which is at any rate useful, than to be such a god (vv.40-59). Sun, moon, stars, lightning, wind, and clouds all fulfil their offices, but these gods can do nothing. "Better, therefore, is the just man that hath none idols; for he shall be far from reproach" (vv.60-73).

III. PURPOSE AND DATE OF THE EPISTLE

The purpose for which the epistle was written is clear enough; it is to shame idolaters for their foolish worship, and to call them to wiser courses. But to whom does the writer address himself? Jer.x.1-16 and Isa.xliv.9-20 evidently inspired the epistle. These prophets were denouncing Gentile idolaters, but their denunciations had the further object of warning their own people, lest they should be tempted to join in such worship. We may postulate the same in the present case. But while in the case of the earlier prophets we know to what particular generation they were speaking, and where their hearers were living, the period and locality in the present instance are not so certain. Babylon, as we have seen in Baruch, may be a mark for some other city, and the period at which the epistle was written is difficult to determine. It has been held that Egypt is meant by "Babylon," and that the date of the epistle is the middle of the second century BC. Large colonies of jewish people were settled at this time both in Babylonia and Egypt. There are, however, indications in the epistle from which it would appear that Babylon is to be taken literally.

In verse 4 the procession of gods is referred to: "But now shall ye see in Babylon gods of silver, and of gold, and of wood, borne upon shoulders". Such processions are known to have been customary in Babylon. (See, e.g., the relief portraying such a procession in Gressmann, Altorientalische Bilder zum alten Testament, Plate 136 (1927).)

Herodotus speaks of the custom mentioned in verse 43 as prevalent in Babylon. (Hist., i.199, 200.)

Evidently, therefore, the purpose of the writer was to warn his people living in Babylonia against idolatry, see verses 2 ff., and verses 5, 6: " Beware therefore that ye in nowise become like unto the strangers. ... But say in your hearts, 0 Lord, we must worship thee."

As to the date of the Epistle, it is well known that many jewish people of the Dispersion were attracted to alien cults throughout the Greek period (300BC onwards). (E.g. the cult of Sabazios in Asia Minor, see The Labyrinth (ed. Hooke, pp.115-158 1935).)

So that the warning contained in the epistle would be appropriate at any time during that period. But the words in verse 3, "So when ye be come into Babylon, ye shall remain there many years, and for a long season, even for seven generations; and after that I will bring you out peaceably from thence," may well indicate a closer date, as Ball has pointed out.

"Seven generations," he says, "allowing forty years to the generation, according to Old Testament reckoning, would cover 280 years. If we count from the exile of Jechonias (597BC), this brings us to the year 317BC, or, counting (as the author may have done) from 586BC, the year of the final captivity, we arrive at 306BC, some thirty years after the arrival of Alexander in Babylon."

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The Book of Baruch was never accepted as canonical by the Palestinian jewish people (Baba Batra 14b). According to the "Apostolical Constitutions," it was read in public worship on the tenth day of the month Gorpiaios (probably Ab). This statement, however, can hardly be considered authoritative; and even if it be correct, it can refer only to the usage of some group of Hellenistic jewish people.

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^^THIS^^ was interesting to me, as the ninth of Ab is a day of fasting and mourning to commemorate the fall of Jerusalem.

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[...]

The Book of Baruch was never accepted as canonical by the Palestinian jewish people (Baba Batra 14b). According to the "Apostolical Constitutions," it was read in public worship on the tenth day of the month Gorpiaios (probably Ab). This statement, however, can hardly be considered authoritative; and even if it be correct, it can refer only to the usage of some group of Hellenistic jewish people.

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^^THIS^^ was interesting to me, as the ninth of Ab is a day of fasting and mourning to commemorate the fall of Jerusalem.

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the other thing that authenticates this writing is the epistle at the end. i just got done studying about the epistles, canonical and otherwise, Christian and Jew ish. interesting literary form, and always the same.

these books are focused on je ws and the temple, and how they will get it back. interesting stuff.
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i think the poetry aspect is more of a Greek thing, the Hellenistic way. Poetry and song were the popular modes of communication in writing in Greek culture. Homer comes to mind when i think of Greek poetry.
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it is Third Baruch that strikes my interest:


Third Baruch

From The Apocrypha and Pseudeipgrapha of the Old Testament by R. H. Charles, vol. II , Oxford Press

Prologue. 1 A narrative and revelation of Baruch, concerning those ineffable things which he saw by command of God. Bless Thou, O Lord. 2 A revelation of Baruch, who stood upon the river Gel weeping over the captivity of 3 Jerusalem, when also Abimelech was preserved by the hand of God, at the farm of Agrippa. And he was sitting thus at the beautiful gates, where the Holy of holies lay.

1 1 Verily I Baruch was weeping in my mind and sorrowing on account of the people, and that 2 Nebuchadnezzar the king was permitted by God to destroy His city, saying: Lord, why didst Thou set on fire Thy vineyard, and lay it waste? Why didst Thou do this? And why, Lord, didst Thou not requite us with another chastisement, but didst deliver us to nations such as these, so that they 3 reproach us and say, Where is their God? And behold as I was weeping and saying such things, I saw an angel of the Lord coming and saying to me: Understand, O man, greatly beloved, and trouble not thyself so greatly concerning the salvation of Jerusalem, for thus saith the Lord God, 4 the Almighty. For He sent me before thee, to make known and to show to thee all (the things) 5, 6 of God. For thy prayer was heard before Him, and entered into the ears of the Lord God. And when he had said these things to me, I was silent. And the angel said to me: Cease to provoke 7 God, and I will show thee other mysteries, greater than these. And I Baruch said, As the Lord God liveth, if thou wilt show me, and I hear a word of thine, I will not continue to speak any longer. 8 God shall add to my judgement in the day of judgement, if I speak hereafter. And the angel of the powers said to me, Come, and I will show thee the mysteries of God.

The First Heaven 2 1 And he took me and led me where the firmament has been set fast, and where there was a river 2 which no one can cross, nor any strange breeze of all those which God created. And he took me and led me to the first heaven, and showed me a door of great size. And he said to me, Let us enter 3 through it, and we entered as though borne on wings, a distance of about thirty days journey. And he showed me within the heaven a plain; and there were men dwelling thereon, with the faces of 4 oxen, and the horns of stags, and the feet of goats, and the haunches of lambs. And I Baruch asked the angel, Make known to me, I pray thee, what is the thickness of the heaven in which we journeyed, 5 or what is its extent, or what is the plain, in order that I may also tell the sons of men? And the angel whose name is Phanuel said to me: This door which thou seest is the door of heaven, and as great as is the distance from earth to heaven, so great also is its thickness; and again as great as is the distance (from North to South, so great) is the length of the plain which thou didst see. And again the angel of the powers said to me, Come, and I will show thee greater mysteries. But 6, 7 I said, I pray thee show me what are these men. And he said to me, These are they who built the tower of strife against God, and the Lord banished them.

The Second Heaven. 3 1 And the angel of the Lord took me and led me to a second heaven. And he showed me there 2 also a door like the first and said, Let us. enter through it. And we entered, being borne on wings 3 a distance of about sixty days' journey. And he showed me there also a plain, and it was full of 4 men, whose appearance was like that of dogs, and whose feet were like those of stags. And I asked 5 the angel: I pray thee, Lord, say to me who are these. And he said, These are they who gave counsel to build the tower, for they whom thou seest drove forth multitudes of both men and women to make bricks; among whom, a woman making bricks was not allowed to be released in the hour of child-birth, but brought forth while she was making bricks, and carried her child in her apron, and 6 continued to make bricks. And the Lord appeared to them and confused their speech, when they 7 had built the tower to the height of four hundred and sixty-three cubits. And they took a gimlet, and sought to pierce the heaven, saying, Let us see (whether) the heaven is made of clay, or of 8 brass, or of iron. When God saw this He did not permit them, but smote them with blindness and confusion of speech, and rendered them as thou seest.

The Third Heaven. 4 1 And I Baruch said, Behold, Lord, Thou didst show me great and wonderful things; and now 2 show me all things for the sake of the Lord. And the angel said to me, Come, let us proceed. (And I proceeded) with the angel from that place about one hundred and eighty-five days' 3 journey.

And he showed me a plain and a serpent, which appeared to be two hundred plethra 4 in length. And he showed me Hades, and its appearance was dark and abominable. And I said, 5 Who is this dragon, and who is this monster around him? And the angel said, The dragon is he 6 who eats the bodies of those who spend their life wickedly, and he is nourished by them. And this is Hades, which itself also closely resembles him, in that it also drinks about a cubit from 7 the sea, which does not sink at all.

Baruch said, And how does this happens? And the angel said, Hearken, the Lord God made three hundred and sixty rivers, of which the chief of 8 all are Alphias, Abyrus, and the Gericus; and because of these the sea does not sink. And I said, I pray thee show me which is the tree which led Adam astray. And the angel said to me, It is the vine, which the angel Sammael planted, whereat the Lord God was angry, and He cursed him and his plant, while also on this account He did not permit Adam to touch it, and therefore 9 the devil being envious deceived him through his vine.

[And I Baruch said, Since also the vine has been the cause of such great evil, and is under judgement of the curse of God, and was the 10 destruction of the first created, how is it now so useful? And the angel said, Thou askest aright. When God caused the deluge upon earth, and destroyed all flesh, and four hundred and nine thousand giants, and the water rose fifteen cubits above the highest mountains, then the water entered into paradise and destroyed every flower; but it removed wholly without the bounds the shoot 11 of the vine and cast it outside.

And when the earth appeared out of the water, and Noah came out 12 of the ark, he began to plant of the plants which he found. But he found also the shoot of the vine; and he took it, and was reasoning in himself, What then is it ? And I came and spake to 13 him the things concerning it. And he said, Shall I plant it, or what shall I do ? Since Adam was destroyed because of it, let me not also meet with the anger of God because of it.

And saying 14 these things he prayed that God would reveal to him what he should do concerning it. And when he had completed the prayer which Lasted forty days, and having besought many things and wept, 15 he said: Lord, I entreat thee to reveal to me what I shall do concerning this plant. But God sent his angel Sarasael, and said to him, Arise, Noah, and plant the shoot of the vine, for thus saith the Lord: Its bitterness shall be changed into sweetness, and its curse shall become a blessing, and that which is produced from it shall become the blood of God; and as through it the human race obtained condemnation, so again through Jesus Christ the Immanuel will they receive in Him the 16 upward calling, and the entry into paradise]. Know therefore, O Baruch, that as Adam through this very tree obtained condemnation, and was divested of the glory of God, so also the men who now drink insatiably the wine which is begotten of it, transgress worse than Adam, and are far from the 17 glory of God, and are surrendering themselves to the eternal fire.
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it appears that Heaven was also the house of demonic beings?
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particulary, the demons that inspired the building of the tower of babel (which is a bit more than what scripture tells us it was).... and Satan with Hades...
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the Lord God made three hundred and sixty rivers, of which the chief of 8 all are Alphias, Abyrus, and the Gericus


i wonder where these rivers are?
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another interesting note:

the tree in the garden of eden wasn't planted by God?


"And I said, I pray thee show me which is the tree which led Adam astray. And the angel said to me, It is the vine, which the angel Sammael planted, whereat the Lord God was angry, and He cursed him and his plant, while also on this account He did not permit Adam to touch it, and therefore 9 the devil being envious deceived him through his vine."
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Thanks Salt and Lightbump
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Not inspired; written after the fact. Correctly removed from the KJV.
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particulary, the demons that inspired the building of the tower of babel (which is a bit more than what scripture tells us it was).... and Satan with Hades...
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The tower of babel is a literary reference to the confounding of telepathic communication... many languages were introduced on this planet to make it near impossible for the population to properly understand each other...

Making it easier for the alien overlords ( your god, in disqiuse) to manipulate the population...
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the Lord God made three hundred and sixty rivers, of which the chief of 8 all are Alphias, Abyrus, and the Gericus


i wonder where these rivers are?
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360, is the corporate world...

The reference here is to a control mechanism - not a physical thing - a parrable...
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Not inspired; written after the fact. Correctly removed from the KJV.
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ugh...

the book is authentic, written at the precise time of the activity written within.

Je w ish leaders removed books from the old testament. has nothing to do with whether or not it was inspired of God or not. but, it did have to do with the certain groups not wanting pieces of information included in the Torah (primarily, the prophecies of Jesus and the activity of demons/Satan)

The book of Baruch is important. it is NOT scripture. but it is still a vital piece to the epic.
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Not inspired; written after the fact. Correctly removed from the KJV.
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ugh...

the book is authentic, written at the precise time of the activity written within.

Je w ish leaders removed books from the old testament. has nothing to do with whether or not it was inspired of God or not. but, it did have to do with the certain groups not wanting pieces of information included in the Torah (primarily, the prophecies of Jesus and the activity of demons/Satan)

The book of Baruch is important. it is NOT scripture. but it is still a vital piece to the epic.
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^^THIS^^
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Have you done an analysis of 1Enoch yet? That book, IMO, is the one which upset the "religion apple cart" the most.
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Have you done an analysis of 1Enoch yet? That book, IMO, is the one which upset the "religion apple cart" the most.
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i have. i have spent at least a whole year on studying that book and picking it apart.

here's a couple of little threads on pieces of Enoch's writings.

Thread: Higgs Boson "god particle" already described in the Secrets of Enoch ?

Thread: Enoch wrote about Metatron, Adoil and Archas - the beings who execute the architectural physics of the universe
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OP can you sum it up and what point are you trying to make?
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Your pic excludes you. You look authoritative, as if you command. You should look like you're pleading and begging. That's a common problem with predator type people. People do NOT need "commanders" and "saviors". We need TRUTH that is freely AVAILABLE.

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Have you done an analysis of 1Enoch yet? That book, IMO, is the one which upset the "religion apple cart" the most.
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To gain the greatest understanding of all religious material - it is vital to start from this reference point;

They are alien in origin - the purpose is control...

Now, with this in mind, you can examine much of the hierarchial structure on this planet, and put the pieces together...
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Have you done an analysis of 1Enoch yet? That book, IMO, is the one which upset the "religion apple cart" the most.
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To gain the greatest understanding of all religious material - it is vital to start from this reference point;

They are alien in origin - the purpose is control...

Now, with this in mind, you can examine much of the hierarchial structure on this planet, and put the pieces together...
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Forgot to add;

There are and have been many different alien factions involved on this planet - they are not united - the compete with one another...

However, the orion's seem to be the dominant ones... Look to catholic material to gain the most, in terms of the structure on this planet... catholic = orion..
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Not inspired; written after the fact. Correctly removed from the KJV.
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and yet the bible references it
-Heed the warning or endure the mourning
-Favor ain't fair
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I like the book of Jasher..tells how haagar was a kings daughter before she was with Abraham..how Abram was in a fiery furnace and lots of details about Moses...and Nimrod and etc..
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Thanks salt. Will read it when get home.
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But what is the simple key "How do I know if you are gods" is the answer to the future? You want an eternity with a being that doesn't entertain anything but obedience?
"De Omnibus Dubitandum"
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I think most of you watched the closing ceremonies of the olympics...

Did you pay attention to the symbol behind the olympic flame???

It was a symbol of a phoenix - this is the symbol of the orion queen...

The indication is - britain has thrown their support behind the orion's as the dominant, winning faction on this planet...

The god's (alien posers) are returning to rule overtly, the true second coming...
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Have you done an analysis of 1Enoch yet? That book, IMO, is the one which upset the "religion apple cart" the most.
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i have. i have spent at least a whole year on studying that book and picking it apart.

here's a couple of little threads on pieces of Enoch's writings.

Thread: Higgs Boson "god particle" already described in the Secrets of Enoch ?

Thread: Enoch wrote about Metatron, Adoil and Archas - the beings who execute the architectural physics of the universe
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The Book of Enoch is the greatest book of the bible. They left it out for good reason.

Organized Religions (as it exists today) would of never come to fruition if this book was included.

It was truly an eye opener reading it.

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