I am a victim of SRA / Mind Control / MK-Ultra

you are a slave Neo.

You are sadly mistaken.

OP, I am sorry that you have experienced so much darkness, but as it has been stated, it means you are a survivor. You were strong enough to make it to where you are now, and you continue to thrive. My heart is open to you and I will continue to send positive thoughts about you out into the universe.

Please know that the darkness you have experienced come from a place where love is absent, but you can chose to let love shine in that darkness. If you can find a way to forgive those who have wronged you, you may find that all the power they seem to still have over you suddenly disappearing.

Thank you for the kind words.

Honestly, with no one around, I think I'm officially screwed.

Please keep sending those positive vibes. I need all I can get :)

Thank you so much for your reply. You seem really intelligent and level headed, especially for someone who has been through as much as you have. If what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, you are one tough cookie!

We live in a world of impermanence. No two moments are the same. In the worst of times, you can find solace with the mantra "this too shall pass"

If you are looking for others to connect with, maybe you can find a place to volunteer some of your time. helping others in need can be very rewarding and can help sooth your hurt. I work in the medical field and I spend much of my day with the elderly. some can be really grouchy, but the majority of them are quite pleasant and extremely grateful just to have someone to talk to.

Peace, my friend.

I think I will take your advice here. I truly appreciate your encouragement, from the depths of my heart.

Peace to you, always.

Wanted to give you a good resource to start, and will follow up with some more. The trouble with some therapists in this field is they are either kind of cold in a clinical psychology way or they apprear almost creepy and make you wonder if they are double agents.

This woman has an extensive track record and knew Svali, which is something I verified with her as my 4 decades of working on this subject told me this was a legit story.

[link to endritualabuse.org]

First is an eye opener on cults & religions:
[link to www.dicksutphen.com]

More resources:
[link to fromtheinsideout.tripod.com]
[link to ritualabuse.us]
[link to ra-info.org]

Something to consider, whatever your religion. This evil can penetrate our bodies and our minds, but cannot touch our immortal souls, and that is your strength and refuge. Whatever you choose to call it, pray to your creator, the maker of this universe, and ask for strength and protection. Something already seems to have lifted you this far, trust in those instincts.

There is a problem with many religions and cults, they are not representing the founders, and it is obvious from some churches they are working for the other side, no matter what the hype. There is much good in the Bible and other religions, but respect the books and take the followers with a grain of salt.

There are also spiritual practices from thing like Yoga, ancient wisdom that parallel Jesus' teaching and perhaps go into more details, such as fasting for spiritual and physical renewal, of which the Bible says little. I will give you some references there that helped me, also a survivor, later.

Warning, this transcription, which outlines the history and the various programming systems and key words, could cause some triggering. This man is highly qualified to work on this subject, but dropped out of public speaking because of death threats. He might privately still work with people, or have references to other good therapists:

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

You probably don't want to take that in one sitting, but might find it useful to begin to find the parts in you affected. Your soul and even your subconscious, where much of the damage is done, is greater than these small fragments. Trust your higher self, and don't fear these artificial constructions which you can overcome. It helps to put some faith also in the creator and realize a much greater source can lead you to healing and wholeness, you are never alone!

Whatsoever is pure, Whatsoever is holy, think on these things!

I went through something similar...am going through? Idk. Anyway, if you ever need to talk send me a message. No worries about god here...I'm pretty sure 99.9% of me has managed to come through as atheist ;)

I have the same type of mark just below my chest and was also told it was from chicken pox... No unusual experiences in my childhood. I think the explanation may be legit.

OP here are my impressions just reading your post. I don't know you personally so take this with a grain of salt and please don't take offense. You sound like a very spiritually in-tune individual and unfortunately it appears that this state can make individuals susceptible to feelings of paranoia and persecution. I think your increased sense of awareness and proneness to other peoples' energies & emotions can often create feelings of alienation and create this barrier or wall that you perceive exists between yourself and those that you interact with. This 'distance' that you perceive can help to fuel these feelings of paranoia/persecution because you feel separate from these individuals that you interact with - like you are operating on a completely different wavelength, and this can create the impression that the others are working together' since you perceive them as being on a similar wavelength that is much different from your own. The ego element of your mind can also contribute to these feelings of being watched as it's the portion of your mind that concerns itself with how others view & judge you. If this part of your consciousness is energized or over-identified with, it can manifest itself in some unpleasant ways, as you may feel compelled to believe you are constantly being watched and scrutinized.

Have you ever sat down and really challenged these beliefs that you have arrived at? Asked difficult questions that force you to question the validity and practicality of these assertions? Have you allowed for the possibility that your perceptions or impressions of the 'situation' may be off? The messages you received from your friends & family, those sounded very normal responses to receive given the circumstances. The actions by your brother did not sound all that out of context either. You have to also understand that if your friends & family have perceived that you went 'off the deep end' they may feel compelled to take actions or reach out to you in a very direct manner and may not know how to approach you or the circumstances because they may feel uncomfortable or that they are not able to relate to what you're going through.

I don't feel all that different from you yet I don't even know you on a personal level. The suicidal feelings need not be elicited by others as they are much more common than you think and I believe are often the product of feeling detached and separate from the world around you - I've gone down that road myself. Please hang in there and stick around. We live in very interesting times and you don't want to miss the fireworks when they start.

I agree with many others that you must be a strong individual.

I think the worst thing we can let evil do is destroy our faith in everyone. The world may be full of evil, but it is also full of good people too. Do not let the darkness destroy your faith in humanity.

I will send as much good energy or thoughts for your strength. Remember that no matter how out of control things may be, you can overcome.

It happens. Sadly more frequently then most are willing to realize. It is in the book of revelation.

It is a curse, but it is also a gift. It grants they with abilities of powers. Those abilities can devower your soul or free your spirit. Which way it plays out for you is personal.

Are you going to be a "Victim"?

Thank you so much for your encouragement and the resources you've linked to. In response to your previous message, I have been reading some of Svali, and have found her work to be not only informative, but a source of hope.

Again, thank you. Peace always

I am working on being a survivor. :)

Thank you :) I am not really an atheist, but I'm still figuring out where I stand on the spiritual side of things. That doesn't mean I can't benefit from encouragement from a fellow survivor :) Thank you :hf:

Let's hope so :)

I think the 'bottom of the rabbit hole' is not just recognizing that mind control exists, but realizing how pervasive it is in our society. Not everyone you meet is in a cult (not even half the people you meet), but the signs, symbols and signals are everywhere, right in front of our faces. IDK about Revelation, but I am convinced that this sh#t is everywhere.

Thank you for the + vibes. I have to admit, aside of how much I liked people before, many of the responses to this thread have warmed my heart and spoken sermons to my soul about the good that still drives much of humanity.

Thanks for the encouragement and playing "devil's advocate" [pun intended ;)], but unfortunately, yes. I have questioned - constantly, really - whether any of my assumptions are "real" or if I've just somehow lost it and need to snap back into reality. Unfortunately, there have been too many experiences that I cannot write off as coincidence or simple anomaly. Some of the details are too graphic, in my opinion, to share here, but it's impossible for me to write them off. If one day I find that some of my recovered memories point only to traditional sexual abuse and some child abuse/neglect, my heart will be overjoyed. But at this point, I cannot take any chances. I will pursue the truth about my past until the end. Regardless of where that pursuit takes me.

Don't confuse it as a totality. This is a key. I was born in boston where the jesuits' did it to many many families.

The use of it in government. The use of it back via hitler. The use of it in rogue cults. It isn't linked together in human understanding.

It's the olden babblonian mysteries.

and i understand you're ability to see it "everywhere".

That's the funny thing right? There are many that might read this and be unwilling to accept they are part of it.

Escaping seemed easy to me but it took a long time to find a safe place where i could revisit it. It is based upon "Shame and Fear" and the humans mind and its ability to obscure things from the human consciouness.

Back in the 80s there were many innocent people and parents put in jail thru false hypnotism and fake satanic stories and fake abuse allegations. The kids grew up and later admitted they made it up just like the witch trials of long ago. Id really look into the pages and pages of fake stories generated during that time and it still happens..

WIKI ENTRY of the mass panic movement that put lots of innocent people in jail...

The panic was influenced to a large extent by testimony of children and adults that was obtained using therapeutic and interrogation techniques now considered discredited. Initial publicity generated was by the now-discredited autobiography Michelle Remembers (1980), and sustained and popularized throughout the decade by the McMartin preschool trial. Testimonials, symptom lists, rumors and techniques to investigate or uncover memories of SRA were disseminated through professional, popular and religious conferences, as well as through the attention of talk shows, sustaining and spreading the moral panic further throughout the United States and beyond. In some cases allegations resulted in criminal trials with varying results; after seven years in court, the McMartin trial resulted in no convictions for any of the accused, while other cases resulted in lengthy sentences. Scholarly interest in the topic slowly built, eventually resulting in the conclusion that the phenomenon was a moral panic.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

WIKIPEDIA

False memories

One explanation for the SRA allegations is that they were based upon false memories caused by the over-use of hypnosis and other suggestive techniques by therapists underestimating the suggestibility of their clients.[167] The altered state of consciousness induced by hypnosis rendered patients unusually able to produce confabulations, often with the assistance of their therapists.[168] Advocates of false memory syndrome (FMS), a controversial term promoted by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, claim that the purported "memories" of ritual abuse are actually false memories, created iatrogenically through suggestion or coercion.[78] The FMSF has used the idea of ritual abuse as a strategy to illustrate their position that most allegations of sexual abuse uncovered by the suggestive techniques used during recovered memory therapy are false "memories" of events that never happened. According to Kathleen Faller this has contributed to the sensationalization of the ritual abuse cases in the media.[169]


Paul R. McHugh, professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University discusses in his book Try to Remember the developments that led to the creation of false memories in the SRA moral panic and the formation of the FMSF as an effort to bring contemporary scientific research and political action to the polarizing struggle about false memories within the mental health disciplines. According to McHugh, there is no coherent scientific basis for the core belief of one side of the struggle, that sexual abuse can cause massive systemic repression of memories that can only be accessed through hypnosis, coercive interviews and other dubious techniques. The group of psychiatrists who promoted these ideas, whom McHugh terms "Mannerist Freudians", consistently followed a deductive approach to diagnosis in which the theory and causal explanation of symptoms was assumed to be childhood sexual abuse leading to dissociation, followed by a set of unproven and unreliable treatments with a strong confirmation bias that inevitably produced the allegations and causes that were assumed to be there.

The treatment approach involved isolation of the patient from friends and family within psychiatric wards dedicated to the treatment of dissociation, filled with other patients who were treated by the same doctors with the same flawed methods and staff members who also coherently and universally ascribed to the same set of beliefs. These methods began in the 1980s and continued for several decades until a series of court cases and medical malpractice lawsuits resulted in hospitals failing to support the approach. In cases where the dissociative symptoms were ignored, the coercive treatment approached ceased and the patients were removed from dedicated wards, allegations of satanic rape and abuse normally ceased, "recovered" memories were identified as fabrications and conventional treatments for presenting symptoms were generally successful.[170]
See also

Well, that's convenient. Were they funded by any groups trying to cover their own arses? lol

Nope, at a time I considered going into healthcare, Ive seen the most severely mentally ill. Have you worked with them or ever been around them?

They are capable of making up anything and everything. Im not saying this to the OP and Im not implying OP is mentally ill. Im just stating where this belief came from. Its also the interogation techniques they used on people and hypnotism that created false memories..

You should worry, What if youre kid came home tomorrow and accused you of all this and you went to jail?

Every parent should be concerned, Every innocent person should be concerned.

You could have been living in Salem gardening and minding your own business and some mentally ill neighbor comes by and accuses you of witchcraft

What are you going to do when they open up concentration camps and neighbors snitch and lie about you and put you away???

We should all be concerned about this..


The episode is one of the most notorious cases of mass hysteria, and has been used in political rhetoric and popular literature as a vivid cautionary tale about the dangers of isolationism, religious extremism, false accusations and lapses in due process.[3] It was not unique, being an American example of the much larger phenomenon of witch trials in the Early Modern period, but many have considered the lasting impressions from the trials to have been highly influential in subsequent American history.

"More than once it has been said, too, that the Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered."
— George Lincoln Burr pg. 197[4]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Mentally Ill? Fuck you!

There are many cases were it is actually facts. Sure "kids" don't know jack, but when a grown adult becomes ready to face that which took them a lifetime to be able to face and you present this manipulative data as if it would discredit them. You have a can of pain come your way.

Be a real being and fess up to what you have done.

Mentally ill coming from secret socieities is rubbish.