ALERT!!! Most Important Nibiru Video _Planets Orbits and Killed Scientist

Believe it or not, scientsts (unlike you) are not programmed robots. We have critical thinking skills we apply to claims like this, we're not taught to give pre-programmed responses.


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Try to convince your boyfriend of that


Yes, but the problem with scientists is that half of them say one thing, half say the opposite. Scientists for hundreds of years asserted that the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth, and the were willing to kill those who went against the mainstream.

Now while I realise these two examples are old ones, in todays big money market, regular folks cannot tell which of the scientists are telling the truth, Those that are shilling for the rich and powerful, who pay their salaries by the way, or those who go against the grain. Historically, the anti-grain types have been the truth tellers, while the science for pay types have been the shills.

Whichever it is, we non-scientists cannot trust either, so I guess we will find the truth when it flys up our collective asses as it were.

Yes, but the problem with scientists is that half of them say one thing, half say the opposite. Scientists for hundreds of years asserted that the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth, and the were willing to kill those who went against the mainstream.

Now while I realise these two examples are old ones, in todays big money market, regular folks cannot tell which of the scientists are telling the truth, Those that are shilling for the rich and powerful, who pay their salaries by the way, or those who go against the grain. Historically, the anti-grain types have been the truth tellers, while the science for pay types have been the shills.

Whichever it is, we non-scientists cannot trust either, so I guess we will find the truth when it flys up our collective asses as it were.

It was not scientists said the earth was flat but rather the religious institutions at the time. Go do your research before trying to make such a claim.

That's only half the equation. The other half is Jupiter's orbit. You shouldn't neglect it just because it's the minor part. Any deviation from the predicted position would be claimed by nibirutards to be a change in Jupiter's orbit.

If you want to be precise, you must account for the fact that SOHO actually orbits the lagrange point, it is not stationary. But again, even that's only half the equation.

It's true that the video in and of itself doesn't show anything unusual, and I tried to explain as much, you're certainly right about it only showing half the orbit for comparison. Nibirutards who are persistent will simply assume that the change was greater than the 1.3 degree inclination would allow. That's why astrometry is necessary to answer the question definitively.

If that were the case the ephemeris would disagree with older software and even older ephemeris from, say, the 19th century such as from Simon Newcomb. I've already checked my software and found it to be in agreement with these sources.

Actually, scientists had known for hundreds of years that the earth was round. They even knew its true circumference. It was the uneducated idiot class that still thought it was flat. Reminds me of today.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I know that mankind has a great debt that we owe to the scientists of history. Without them we would not have any of the really cool weapons that we all enjoy, no nuclear bombs or misslesor submarines, no biological weapons of mass destruction, and hell, this planet would have exploded with excess population a long time ago without all of that! I for one am grateful indeed!

Not without penicillin.

Technology is a tool, budy.
You can't blame the inventor of the axe for every axe murderer.

No, and I will be first to agree that science, like technology, is a 2 edged sword. Cellphones are great, but how about the mindless minions staggering about with their mouths wide open falling into fountains? You know what I mean.

I am an engineer myself, and will quickly admit that we do the same damn thing the good/evil gig. I do, however get tired of hearing people tell me, "I am a scientist, bow down before me". Is Pluto a planet today or not?

It's the same object. It's label was refined.

This was done because we learnt more about the universe.
(There being a whole bunch of Plutos out there.)

And from what they seem to have learned in the past few, it does look like they didn't know shit before doesn't it?

maybe you've heard this, maybe you haven't but Nancy Leider is not a doctor who works for NASA. she is a supposed conduit of the alien race known as the Zetas. so anytime you read a story with her name connected to NASA ignore it.

What is your metric for the total amount of scientific data?

When we improve our methods and equipment we can observe more of the macro- and micro-cosmos.
It is almost guaranteed that we will learn many things that we didn't know before.
What we knew before was not wrong, it was a subset of what we know now.

Let me put it this way. If I was the one writing the checks for your "research" you would be staring at the Moon through an empty toilet paper tube.

"He wrote on his computer..."

If everybody thought like that we'd still be living in mud brick huts.

Too bad for you, this is wrong. I just compared the position of Jupiter in SOHO images from the time periods covered by the OP's video to the predicted position of Jupiter based on ephemeris that were originally generated in 1890 by George Hill. Guess what? It's still right, even though I'm comparing it to data that originates over 120 years ago. They haven't changed the ephemeris to "cover this up." Anyone can compare it to data that existed long before NASA. I did.

I didn't bother accounting for the position of SOHO in this case. I could squeeze a little more accuracy out of it if I did that, but I won't unless someone really pushes me simply because it was enough work converting and importing such old data into modern programs. Rather than try to modify the VSOP87 algorithms, I simply imported mean keplerian elements for Jupiter at each observation epoch (derived from the original Hill data) into Celestia.

I made a gif animation showing the various comparisons. It starts with a simple 3 frame comparison similar to what the youtube video showed (one image from 2000, one from 2007, and one from 2012). I then compared this to the ephemeris data using celestia, registering each image based on the stars (effectively doing the astrometry by hand). As you can see, Jupiter's where it should be in the image, even according to 19th century data.

[link to img705.imageshack.us]

Yes, but the problem with scientists is that half of them say one thing, half say the opposite. Scientists for hundreds of years asserted that the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth, and the were willing to kill those who went against the mainstream.

Now while I realise these two examples are old ones, in todays big money market, regular folks cannot tell which of the scientists are telling the truth, Those that are shilling for the rich and powerful, who pay their salaries by the way, or those who go against the grain. Historically, the anti-grain types have been the truth tellers, while the science for pay types have been the shills.

Whichever it is, we non-scientists cannot trust either, so I guess we will find the truth when it flys up our collective asses as it were.


+1
great post! thanks

Confirmed this is really getting interesting, huge increases in climate change on most of our planets in our solar system. Now the pertubation of our biggest gas giant is being affected.

All points to Nibiru, probably still a few years out according to Bob Dean. I tend to agree with him although i am skeptical on people giving dates but i`m pretty sure i`ll see something in my lifetime with regards to this subject.

Decmeber 2012 the world will not end life will go on for a a while longer at least.



Interesting reading for Nibiru believers.

Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades
[link to www.ncdc.noaa.gov]

Surprises from Mercury -
[link to science.nasa.gov]

Mysterious Night Glow in the Skies of Venus Puzzles Scientists
[link to www.nytimes.com]

Mars warming up
[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

Jupiter Melting [link to www.foxnews.com]

Jupiter's raging thunderstorms a sign of 'global upheaval'
[link to www.newscientist.com]

Saturn's Equatorial Winds Decreasing
[link to www.wellesley.edu]

Huge springtime storms hit the planet Uranus -
[link to science.nasa.gov]

Hubble Discovers New Dark Spot on Neptune
[link to hubblesite.org]

I said, let it

Sounds like the plot of DEEP IMPACT!!!
LOL!

LOTS TO DIGEST

Shmuck Astro had to open another thread, bc people don't fuck with him on this one

Go Astro, go Astro!

The problem these days with science is the massive expense for little gain, yes return on investment. Hugh amounts of cash are consumed, often on borrowed monies printed by bankrupt governments, on projects that lead to information that is kept from the very public that funded them in the first place. Or projects that develop some new form of crowd control technology, or hey how about that wonderful HAARP progrem, eh. You know the one that is fucking up our weather so nicely now. Or when a group of scientists come out with a "theory" that my underarm deodorant is screwing up the atmosphere, so I will now have to pay massive taxes to my corrupt government to fix the ozone! Oh yes and how is the search for that "God" particle going? Now that went a long way to end world hunger did it not?

Give it up buddy, you guys are screwing us hard and we know it. It is just that we are powerless to stop it, however your day of reckoning approaches. I am sure your masters will take good care of you once TSHTF. Good luck.

I am sorry to butt in but how can you honestly say we are spending too much money on science? I thought you were an engineer?

Yes I am, sorry. Have you seen the state of the world's poverty stricken? Do you think we would have as much terrorism and war if this problem was ever addressed in a serious attempt? What has science done to alleviate THIS problem?

A lot more than war that is for sure. I honestly cannot fathom how you think we spend too much money on science. The reality is that we don't spend nearly enough on it.

Science is the best tool ever devised for understanding how the world works.

I understand that you canot conceive of reducing your own paycheck. It is the way of the elite. I ran my own small engineering firm for 15 years. My paycheck was a function of the profitability of the projects that I did. It was fair and it worked. I received no handouts from government grants or other forms of elite welfare. And I solved problems for my customers, I did not publish findings and studies that proved that I had a large vocabulary and typing skills. THAT is the crux of the issue - solving problems. The problems today are growing by the hour, and they will not be solved by studying them further!

The "earth is flat" argument annoys me to all Hell. The Egyptians had it figured out that the earth was round. Where does that crap come from?

I must apologize for that one, sorry. But scientists throughout time have said everything was impossible, until they were accomplished. Mainstream science, like mainstream everything else, does little to advance mankind. It is the innovators that achieve and advance.

Mainstream science does little to advance mankind? Sit back and think about that statement for a minute or two. It couldn't be more false.

You miss the point. Mainstream science does little for mankind when you consider the hugh amounts of cash that it takes to support it. But that will soon change. Once the governments have succeeded in reducing the paychecks of all of the firemen, police and rescue personnel, they will set their sights on science. In fact it has already begun has it not?