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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16022654 United States 08/18/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get how this is meant to work. It's pretty inefficient. This board has no love for Tesla Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18267374 Inefficient?! It's working off the energy of a permanent magnet! There's no other energy input. The thing will keep running as long as the atoms in the magnet are aligned. The device is so simple it's hard for me to imagine how they faked it. The only way to really debunk this is to build one yourself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20022035 United States 08/18/2012 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get how this is meant to work. It's pretty inefficient. This board has no love for Tesla Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18267374 Inefficient?! It's working off the energy of a permanent magnet! There's no other energy input. The thing will keep running as long as the atoms in the magnet are aligned. The device is so simple it's hard for me to imagine how they faked it. The only way to really debunk this is to build one yourself. Permanent magnets are a perpetual favorite for perpetual motion machines. Never mind that this would have to violate the first law of thermodynamics (conservation of mass and energy) to actually work. Never mind that magnetism is a "conservative" force, meaning that no matter how complicated your machine's motions may be, if all the parts return to their starting points then any energy it produces is exactly equal to the energy consumed throughout the cycle -- minus frictional losses, of course. But hope springs eternal, and the scientifically illiterate and irresponsible news media is always ready to give credulous attention to yet another nutter who thinks he's really done it this time for sure! There is one thing that these machines do produce in perpetuity: excuses for why they don't work. Sometimes they're really entertaining, but most of the time they're just really, really lame. Perpetual motion crackpots think that because magnets can remain stuck to the refrigerator indefinitely, they somehow represent an infinite source of energy. They just don't understand that force and energy are two entirely different things. Force isn't energy, nor does it require it. Energy is force times distance, such as expanding gases driving a piston in a car engine, falling water driving a turbine in a hydroelectric plant, or Lance Armstrong's legs cranking his bicycle pedals. But a magnet stuck to the fridge is no more a source of energy than a piece of paper stuck there with glue, or a potted plant hanging from a hook in the ceiling. Any energy you get by letting a magnet get stuck to the fridge is energy you have to give right back when you pull it away. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16022654 United States 08/18/2012 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get how this is meant to work. It's pretty inefficient. This board has no love for Tesla Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18267374 Inefficient?! It's working off the energy of a permanent magnet! There's no other energy input. The thing will keep running as long as the atoms in the magnet are aligned. The device is so simple it's hard for me to imagine how they faked it. The only way to really debunk this is to build one yourself. Permanent magnets are a perpetual favorite for perpetual motion machines. Never mind that this would have to violate the first law of thermodynamics (conservation of mass and energy) to actually work. Never mind that magnetism is a "conservative" force, meaning that no matter how complicated your machine's motions may be, if all the parts return to their starting points then any energy it produces is exactly equal to the energy consumed throughout the cycle -- minus frictional losses, of course. But hope springs eternal, and the scientifically illiterate and irresponsible news media is always ready to give credulous attention to yet another nutter who thinks he's really done it this time for sure! There is one thing that these machines do produce in perpetuity: excuses for why they don't work. Sometimes they're really entertaining, but most of the time they're just really, really lame. Perpetual motion crackpots think that because magnets can remain stuck to the refrigerator indefinitely, they somehow represent an infinite source of energy. They just don't understand that force and energy are two entirely different things. Force isn't energy, nor does it require it. Energy is force times distance, such as expanding gases driving a piston in a car engine, falling water driving a turbine in a hydroelectric plant, or Lance Armstrong's legs cranking his bicycle pedals. But a magnet stuck to the fridge is no more a source of energy than a piece of paper stuck there with glue, or a potted plant hanging from a hook in the ceiling. Any energy you get by letting a magnet get stuck to the fridge is energy you have to give right back when you pull it away. Then where is the energy that is turning this wheel coming from? Or are you saying this is an outright hoax? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17954231 United States 08/18/2012 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get how this is meant to work. It's pretty inefficient. This board has no love for Tesla Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18267374 Inefficient?! It's working off the energy of a permanent magnet! There's no other energy input. The thing will keep running as long as the atoms in the magnet are aligned. The device is so simple it's hard for me to imagine how they faked it. The only way to really debunk this is to build one yourself. Permanent magnets are a perpetual favorite for perpetual motion machines. Never mind that this would have to violate the first law of thermodynamics (conservation of mass and energy) to actually work. Never mind that magnetism is a "conservative" force, meaning that no matter how complicated your machine's motions may be, if all the parts return to their starting points then any energy it produces is exactly equal to the energy consumed throughout the cycle -- minus frictional losses, of course. But hope springs eternal, and the scientifically illiterate and irresponsible news media is always ready to give credulous attention to yet another nutter who thinks he's really done it this time for sure! There is one thing that these machines do produce in perpetuity: excuses for why they don't work. Sometimes they're really entertaining, but most of the time they're just really, really lame. Perpetual motion crackpots think that because magnets can remain stuck to the refrigerator indefinitely, they somehow represent an infinite source of energy. They just don't understand that force and energy are two entirely different things. Force isn't energy, nor does it require it. Energy is force times distance, such as expanding gases driving a piston in a car engine, falling water driving a turbine in a hydroelectric plant, or Lance Armstrong's legs cranking his bicycle pedals. But a magnet stuck to the fridge is no more a source of energy than a piece of paper stuck there with glue, or a potted plant hanging from a hook in the ceiling. Any energy you get by letting a magnet get stuck to the fridge is energy you have to give right back when you pull it away. Then where is the energy that is turning this wheel coming from? Or are you saying this is an outright hoax? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16022654 United States 08/18/2012 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16022654 Inefficient?! It's working off the energy of a permanent magnet! There's no other energy input. The thing will keep running as long as the atoms in the magnet are aligned. The device is so simple it's hard for me to imagine how they faked it. The only way to really debunk this is to build one yourself. Permanent magnets are a perpetual favorite for perpetual motion machines. Never mind that this would have to violate the first law of thermodynamics (conservation of mass and energy) to actually work. Never mind that magnetism is a "conservative" force, meaning that no matter how complicated your machine's motions may be, if all the parts return to their starting points then any energy it produces is exactly equal to the energy consumed throughout the cycle -- minus frictional losses, of course. But hope springs eternal, and the scientifically illiterate and irresponsible news media is always ready to give credulous attention to yet another nutter who thinks he's really done it this time for sure! There is one thing that these machines do produce in perpetuity: excuses for why they don't work. Sometimes they're really entertaining, but most of the time they're just really, really lame. Perpetual motion crackpots think that because magnets can remain stuck to the refrigerator indefinitely, they somehow represent an infinite source of energy. They just don't understand that force and energy are two entirely different things. Force isn't energy, nor does it require it. Energy is force times distance, such as expanding gases driving a piston in a car engine, falling water driving a turbine in a hydroelectric plant, or Lance Armstrong's legs cranking his bicycle pedals. But a magnet stuck to the fridge is no more a source of energy than a piece of paper stuck there with glue, or a potted plant hanging from a hook in the ceiling. Any energy you get by letting a magnet get stuck to the fridge is energy you have to give right back when you pull it away. Then where is the energy that is turning this wheel coming from? Or are you saying this is an outright hoax? ^^^That's not an answer genius. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17954231 United States 08/18/2012 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16022654 Inefficient?! It's working off the energy of a permanent magnet! There's no other energy input. The thing will keep running as long as the atoms in the magnet are aligned. The device is so simple it's hard for me to imagine how they faked it. The only way to really debunk this is to build one yourself. Permanent magnets are a perpetual favorite for perpetual motion machines. Never mind that this would have to violate the first law of thermodynamics (conservation of mass and energy) to actually work. Never mind that magnetism is a "conservative" force, meaning that no matter how complicated your machine's motions may be, if all the parts return to their starting points then any energy it produces is exactly equal to the energy consumed throughout the cycle -- minus frictional losses, of course. But hope springs eternal, and the scientifically illiterate and irresponsible news media is always ready to give credulous attention to yet another nutter who thinks he's really done it this time for sure! There is one thing that these machines do produce in perpetuity: excuses for why they don't work. Sometimes they're really entertaining, but most of the time they're just really, really lame. Perpetual motion crackpots think that because magnets can remain stuck to the refrigerator indefinitely, they somehow represent an infinite source of energy. They just don't understand that force and energy are two entirely different things. Force isn't energy, nor does it require it. Energy is force times distance, such as expanding gases driving a piston in a car engine, falling water driving a turbine in a hydroelectric plant, or Lance Armstrong's legs cranking his bicycle pedals. But a magnet stuck to the fridge is no more a source of energy than a piece of paper stuck there with glue, or a potted plant hanging from a hook in the ceiling. Any energy you get by letting a magnet get stuck to the fridge is energy you have to give right back when you pull it away. Then where is the energy that is turning this wheel coming from? Or are you saying this is an outright hoax? You can't make energy from nothing. It can turn the wheel yes, but you won't see him hooking up anything to transfer its energy to...because it can't. If you use x or more energy to turn the wheel like that, it will only make x or less energy. Therefore, defeating the purpose all together, if that makes sense. here.... [link to www.lhup.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21229594 United States 08/18/2012 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting - thanks OP, have not seen this one before. IMO, to make it 'more efficient' a device of this sort could use the 'frictionless bearings'. Perhaps an array of magnets to allow more variance in speed and oscillations of the ball along circumference of the wheel. Regardless of magnets conservative energy, it is energy nonetheless and tapping into it is the principle of electricity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16022654 United States 08/18/2012 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can't make energy from nothing. It can turn the wheel yes, but you won't see him hooking up anything to transfer its energy to...because it can't. If you use x or more energy to turn the wheel like that, it will only make x or less energy. Therefore, defeating the purpose all together, if that makes sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17954231 here.... [link to www.lhup.edu] Whether it can turn a load or not is just your supposition. There is already a load on the system in the form of the wheel. If there was a pulley attached that drew say 1% more power from the system than is already being drawn by the wheel are you saying it wouldn't turn it? Another way to think of it is ask yourself what if the wheel was made out of lighter materials, like carbon fibers? It would still work right? So where did the energy come from to turn a heavier wheel in the form of aluminum? Don't get me wrong, you've stated very well why under conservation of energy laws as we know them it can't work. But unless it's a hoax it is working! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452236 United States 08/18/2012 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just because an observed phenomenon defies your beliefs, doesn't mean it defies the laws of nature. The academic science community has so much in common with dogmatic religion.. BUT, at least the religous have faith!!! Oh............ |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452236 United States 08/18/2012 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and there is SO much more that is going to be brought to light in short order. That I can promise you. And it is going to shatter an entire paradigm of human beliefs. It is time we grow up as a species. Scientists, get ready to BE taught rather than continue instilling dogma. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16022654 United States 08/18/2012 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is working! Get over yourselves shilltards. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1452236 Just because an observed phenomenon defies your beliefs, doesn't mean it defies the laws of nature. The academic science community has so much in common with dogmatic religion.. BUT, at least the religous have faith!!! Oh............ I don't think the skeptics here are shills. I just think they've been programmed by an educational system which punishes intelectual curiosity when it doesn't conform to established scientific priciples. But if it weren't for the curiostity of a few enlightened and determined people, (such as Nikola Tesla who was told in no uncertain terms by his science teacher that an AC motor would never be invented because such a thing was impossible..)we wouldn't have gotten where we are today. This may well be a hoax but it may not be. But it's simple enough for anyone to build and find out.. |
db User ID: 14925244 United States 08/18/2012 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those of you who just love to quote the 'laws' of physics, please check out the fine print in your physics books. At some point they will all inform you that these 'laws' are only applicable in closed systems. May I suggest, for your pondering, that the universe is not a closed system. In other words you've been had. Do a search on 'laws of physics' and poke around a bit. |
anonimalle User ID: 22182903 United States 08/18/2012 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get how this is meant to work. It's pretty inefficient. This board has no love for Tesla Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18267374 Not true for me, I am fascinated by Tesla and his works. Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
db User ID: 14925244 United States 08/18/2012 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get how this is meant to work. It's pretty inefficient. This board has no love for Tesla Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18267374 Not true for me, I am fascinated by Tesla and his works. He may be back: [link to pesn.com] |
NhinXa User ID: 22912311 United States 09/01/2012 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those of you who just love to quote the 'laws' of physics, please check out the fine print in your physics books. At some point they will all inform you that these 'laws' are only applicable in closed systems. Quoting: db 14925244 May I suggest, for your pondering, that the universe is not a closed system. In other words you've been had. Do a search on 'laws of physics' and poke around a bit. This. In addition, too many people are too close minded to see the whole truth. |
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Nemisis User ID: 22975513 United States 09/01/2012 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they have this as a fully functional motor, but for whatever reason, they are not for sale. [link to youtu.be] |
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IRQ_1 User ID: 22208328 United States 09/01/2012 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why, what's so funny? Certainly there is the possibility of these machines in operation? What if a machine (not necessarily this one) "pushes" against a universal force that allows it a seemingly "free" energy. What if this "push" slows the Earth to a stop after a Trillion years. What if a Trillion of these devices were operating around the world and it brought the Earth's rotation to a still in one year? Shades of Issac Asimov's "The God's Themselves". Jack of all trades master of none "shall not be infringed." BLUE RIBBON AWARNESS FOR MENS' HEALTH Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. --ISAAC ASIMOV I never 'Ad hominem' I don't need to. The Constitution means everything or nothing. You can't have both. |
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