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Man pulls Gun during Store Robbery, shoots both Robbers but pays with his Life...(2 different camera angles, outside and inside)

 
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Man pulls Gun during Store Robbery, shoots both Robbers but pays with his Life...(2 different camera angles, outside and inside)
Manaus,Brazil - One of the two criminals broke into the shop and announced the robbery.

An off-duty police officer responded and shot the robber and accomplice who was waiting on a bike outside. But he ended up getting hit too.

All three died in hospital.



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Both robbers also died later
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Hmmm....
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Re: Man pulls Gun during Store Robbery, shoots both Robbers but pays with his Life...(2 different camera angles, outside and inside)
his fatal mistake was not checking over his shoulder or letting the first guy out of his sight after he shot him.
why did he go outside?
if that had been me I would have used the door as a barrier when dealing with the second guy. Also the second guy didn't have a gun pulled anyway so no need to shoot imo.

it would have saved the off duty officer his life
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Policeman did not double tap.
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Re: Man pulls Gun during Store Robbery, shoots both Robbers but pays with his Life...(2 different camera angles, outside and inside)
he probably didnt see the man outside and also expected to kill the man with the first shot
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Re: Man pulls Gun during Store Robbery, shoots both Robbers but pays with his Life...(2 different camera angles, outside and inside)
who would have pulled their gun in this situation?
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Policeman did not double tap.
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just another human who chose to serve and protect and lost his life doing so........... cops, or police are good people who do care . so sad that a few a-holes blemish all the decent ones . RIP, AND THANK YOU.
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There's nothing just about a vigilante.

What he did was kill two people that hadn't fired a shot. He was shot BECAUSE he started a gun fight and had no indication that he was a cop. Which was not even smart given the public location.

He's the reason three people are dead, including himself, and he's very lucky a stray bullet didn't hit an innocent.
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There's nothing just about a vigilante.

What he did was kill two people that hadn't fired a shot. He was shot BECAUSE he started a gun fight and had no indication that he was a cop. Which was not even smart given the public location.

He's the reason three people are dead, including himself, and he's very lucky a stray bullet didn't hit an innocent.
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thats why I asked who else would have pulled their gun here?

I mean honestly unless they were killing a child or others I would have let them go.
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Re: Man pulls Gun during Store Robbery, shoots both Robbers but pays with his Life...(2 different camera angles, outside and inside)
good argument for larger caliber handguns.
I am guessing he had a .380, which is a rather small round.
a 45 or even a defensive load 9mm would have dropped that first guy np
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Re: Man pulls Gun during Store Robbery, shoots both Robbers but pays with his Life...(2 different camera angles, outside and inside)
his fatal mistake was not checking over his shoulder or letting the first guy out of his sight after he shot him.
why did he go outside?
if that had been me I would have used the door as a barrier when dealing with the second guy. Also the second guy didn't have a gun pulled anyway so no need to shoot imo.

it would have saved the off duty officer his life
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No, his fatal mistake was trying to defend a little cash in the register.
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There's nothing just about a vigilante.

What he did was kill two people that hadn't fired a shot. He was shot BECAUSE he started a gun fight and had no indication that he was a cop. Which was not even smart given the public location.

He's the reason three people are dead, including himself, and he's very lucky a stray bullet didn't hit an innocent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810


Really...soooo, anybody can pull a gun and rob people, BUT, so long as they don't shoot, they should be able to continue breaking the law without interuption?
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Re: Man pulls Gun during Store Robbery, shoots both Robbers but pays with his Life...(2 different camera angles, outside and inside)
I don't think anyone here has to room speak on woulda,coulda,shoulda, during a REAL robbery. It's easy to think up options after the fact and from a keyboard where you're seeing the situation unfold safely behind the cameras. While I agree it could have been handled better, you still gotta respect the guy for the effort. Most people who carry guns already know that it doesn't guarantee they're gonna come away unharmed in a fight.
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Policeman did not double tap.
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anything worth shooting once is definitely worth shooting twice!!!
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There's nothing just about a vigilante.

What he did was kill two people that hadn't fired a shot. He was shot BECAUSE he started a gun fight and had no indication that he was a cop. Which was not even smart given the public location.

He's the reason three people are dead, including himself, and he's very lucky a stray bullet didn't hit an innocent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810


Really...soooo, anybody can pull a gun and rob people, BUT, so long as they don't shoot, they should be able to continue breaking the law without interuption?
 Quoting: jdb


Well, he was an off duty officer, so technically yes he had to right to pull his gun. BUT had he been a citizen with a concealed carry licence (which doesn't exist in Brasil) then the only reason to pull his gun would be if HIS life was in danger. I'm sure in the moment, anyone would feel their life was in danger, but there is a reason you go through CC training...which I have. Rational discernment in an irrational moment.
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There's nothing just about a vigilante.

What he did was kill two people that hadn't fired a shot. He was shot BECAUSE he started a gun fight and had no indication that he was a cop. Which was not even smart given the public location.

He's the reason three people are dead, including himself, and he's very lucky a stray bullet didn't hit an innocent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810


Really...soooo, anybody can pull a gun and rob people, BUT, so long as they don't shoot, they should be able to continue breaking the law without interuption?
 Quoting: jdb


Well, he was an off duty officer, so technically yes he had to right to pull his gun. BUT had he been a citizen with a concealed carry licence (which doesn't exist in Brasil) then the only reason to pull his gun would be if HIS life was in danger. I'm sure in the moment, anyone would feel their life was in danger, but there is a reason you go through CC training...which I have. Rational discernment in an irrational moment.
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not just about fear for "your" life - but fear for other's lives as well
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There's nothing just about a vigilante.

What he did was kill two people that hadn't fired a shot. He was shot BECAUSE he started a gun fight and had no indication that he was a cop. Which was not even smart given the public location.

He's the reason three people are dead, including himself, and he's very lucky a stray bullet didn't hit an innocent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810


Really...soooo, anybody can pull a gun and rob people, BUT, so long as they don't shoot, they should be able to continue breaking the law without interuption?
 Quoting: jdb


Well, he was an off duty officer, so technically yes he had to right to pull his gun. BUT had he been a citizen with a concealed carry licence (which doesn't exist in Brasil) then the only reason to pull his gun would be if HIS life was in danger. I'm sure in the moment, anyone would feel their life was in danger, but there is a reason you go through CC training...which I have. Rational discernment in an irrational moment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


not just about fear for "your" life - but fear for other's lives as well
 Quoting: jdb


Again, in this situation he did have the right to pull his weapon.
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There's nothing just about a vigilante.

What he did was kill two people that hadn't fired a shot. He was shot BECAUSE he started a gun fight and had no indication that he was a cop. Which was not even smart given the public location.

He's the reason three people are dead, including himself, and he's very lucky a stray bullet didn't hit an innocent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810


Really...soooo, anybody can pull a gun and rob people, BUT, so long as they don't shoot, they should be able to continue breaking the law without interuption?
 Quoting: jdb


No, they shouldn't be allowed to break the law.
The cop should have made it very clear he was an officer of the law. He didn't. He reacted too quickly based off of poor judgement and three people are dead because of that. Thank God it was not more than that. It was a knee-jerk reaction for him to just pull his gun and start shooting.

By your logic, if someone's breaking the law and a bystander has a gun to handle the situation, the criminal deserves to be shot. Because if they aren't shot, they'll just continue breaking the law. That's dangerous.

The cop's intentions were good. He was trying to prevent innocent people from getting shot. But, there were a number of ways to handle that situation which could have resulted in 0 deaths.
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Really...soooo, anybody can pull a gun and rob people, BUT, so long as they don't shoot, they should be able to continue breaking the law without interuption?
 Quoting: jdb


Well, he was an off duty officer, so technically yes he had to right to pull his gun. BUT had he been a citizen with a concealed carry licence (which doesn't exist in Brasil) then the only reason to pull his gun would be if HIS life was in danger. I'm sure in the moment, anyone would feel their life was in danger, but there is a reason you go through CC training...which I have. Rational discernment in an irrational moment.
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not just about fear for "your" life - but fear for other's lives as well
 Quoting: jdb


Again, in this situation he did have the right to pull his weapon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


He had the right to pull his weapon, yes. He didn't have the right to shoot until the robbers decided to pop off shots.
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There's nothing just about a vigilante.

What he did was kill two people that hadn't fired a shot. He was shot BECAUSE he started a gun fight and had no indication that he was a cop. Which was not even smart given the public location.

He's the reason three people are dead, including himself, and he's very lucky a stray bullet didn't hit an innocent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810


Really...soooo, anybody can pull a gun and rob people, BUT, so long as they don't shoot, they should be able to continue breaking the law without interuption?
 Quoting: jdb


kitty Yeah I can see where that one is leading. LOL
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Common cops, LEARN from the mistakes of others.

Let people defense THEMSELVES with firearms and you won't have trigger-happy, adrenaline tweaking cops trying to be heroes.

If even 25% of the population were able to protect themselves competently with a concealed firearm or other weapon, what criminal would take a chance of harming anyone, knowing there's a one in 4 chance that someone is able to kill them.

Then when stupid criminals want to knock over a piss ant convenience store, the only thing at real risk is the money. The wise store clerk will hand over the money. The wise patrons will retreat as is possible with weapons at the ready. The gubers will flee with the ill-gotten booty.

Let the security cameras do the real work of capturing the event as evidence for the police to pursue them in a CONTROLLED and safe manner--as safe as is possible.

Whatever you cops do, DON'T START A GUNFIGHT!!!!

If the bad guys start one, protect those whose lives are at risk. It's a much better play than engaging the bad guys who are running away with some cash. Better, let law-abiding citizens protect themselves if the need arises.

The outcomes will be MUCH better.
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Policeman did not double tap.
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anything worth shooting once is definitely worth shooting twice!!!
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That's why you should have a shotgun for home defense. Once you started the first shot, you do NOT want that criminal to get up or fire back at you. You want him DOWN, NOW !!
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Well, he was an off duty officer, so technically yes he had to right to pull his gun. BUT had he been a citizen with a concealed carry licence (which doesn't exist in Brasil) then the only reason to pull his gun would be if HIS life was in danger. I'm sure in the moment, anyone would feel their life was in danger, but there is a reason you go through CC training...which I have. Rational discernment in an irrational moment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


not just about fear for "your" life - but fear for other's lives as well
 Quoting: jdb


Again, in this situation he did have the right to pull his weapon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


He had the right to pull his weapon, yes. He didn't have the right to shoot until the robbers decided to pop off shots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810



He had the right to shoot as soon as the robber points a weapon at an innocent person, period.
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just another human who chose to serve and protect and lost his life doing so........... cops, or police are good people who do care . so sad that a few a-holes blemish all the decent ones . RIP, AND THANK YOU.
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he was brave to do what he did , but also very stupid , he should of just shot the guy multiple times instead of one ...

he payed with his life ....shame really , good job on killing the robbers though , scum
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Policeman did not double tap.
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Rule number 2
hidinganything worth shooting once should be shot twice .

Drill Sergeant Joe B. Fricks Rules For A Gunfight

1. Forget about knives, bats and fists. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring four times the ammunition you think you could ever need.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap - life is expensive. If you shoot inside, buckshot is your friend. A new wall is cheap - funerals are expensive

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker and go to cover. Distance is your friend. (Bulletproof cover and diagonal or lateral movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a semi or full-automatic long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running. Yell "Fire!" Why "Fire"? Cops will come with the Fire Department, sirens often scare off the bad guys, or at least cause then to lose concentration and will.... and who is going to summon help if you yell "Intruder," "Glock" or "Winchester?"

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

11. Stretch the rules. Always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

12. Have a plan.

13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work. "No battle plan ever survives 10 seconds past first contact with an enemy."

14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible, but remember, sheetrock walls and the like stop nothing but your pulse when bullets tear through them.

15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

16. Don't drop your guard.

17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees. Practice reloading one-handed and off-hand shooting. That's how you live if hit in your "good" side.

18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. Smiles, frowns and other facial expressions don't (In God we trust. Everyone else keep your hands where I can see them.)

19. Decide NOW to always be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet if necessary, because they may want to kill you.

22. Be courteous to everyone, overly friendly to no one.

23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than "4".

25. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket." At a practice session, throw your gun into the mud, then make sure it still works. You can clean it later.

26. Practice shooting in the dark, with someone shouting at you, when out of breath, etc.

27. Regardless of whether justified of not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.

28. The only thing you EVER say afterwards is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please speak with my attorney."
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Well, he was an off duty officer, so technically yes he had to right to pull his gun. BUT had he been a citizen with a concealed carry licence (which doesn't exist in Brasil) then the only reason to pull his gun would be if HIS life was in danger. I'm sure in the moment, anyone would feel their life was in danger, but there is a reason you go through CC training...which I have. Rational discernment in an irrational moment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


not just about fear for "your" life - but fear for other's lives as well
 Quoting: jdb


Again, in this situation he did have the right to pull his weapon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


He had the right to pull his weapon, yes. He didn't have the right to shoot until the robbers decided to pop off shots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810




That's incorrect. In the US, even conceal carry citizens, are allowed to use their firearm if their life or the life of a justified individual is threaten. Aiming a fire arm at someone is enough. Hell, if he just brandished his weapon it's still justified. If you feel your life or the life of another is threatened you are good.
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not just about fear for "your" life - but fear for other's lives as well
 Quoting: jdb


Again, in this situation he did have the right to pull his weapon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


He had the right to pull his weapon, yes. He didn't have the right to shoot until the robbers decided to pop off shots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810




That's incorrect. In the US, even conceal carry citizens, are allowed to use their firearm if their life or the life of a justified individual is threaten. Aiming a fire arm at someone is enough. Hell, if he just brandished his weapon it's still justified. If you feel your life or the life of another is threatened you are good.
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I actually just took a concealed carry class and you are in fact allowed to shoot a person who is threatening you or someone else with a weapon. If someone's life is in danger, you have the right to kill them. And if you do shoot the person, you have to do it with the intention to kill them. Meaning, no purposely disabling shots or torture shots. And the person you kill does not have to have a weapon either as long as you think someone could be killed.

Another interesting thing is that if stray bullets from your firearm injure or kill any bystanders, the criminal who caused the situation is the one who is liable, not you.

This is Kansas's CCW law.... btw. In Texas you can shoot them if they look at you funny.lol

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