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Lake Erie UFO Footage From Michael Lee Hill - August 9, 2012

 
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Lake Erie UFO Footage From Michael Lee Hill - August 9, 2012
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Those are airplanes.

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"Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen." John Jay, NY,NY - 1787

When the US Constitution was written, the "natural law" that dealt with issues such as nationality and allegiance to a sovereign was called "the law of nations." Modernly, we call this "international law." In 1788, the preeminent codification, description and explanation of "the law of nations" was a work written by Emerich de Vattel, entitled THE LAW OF NATIONS, or principles of the law of nature applied to the conduct and affairs of nations and sovereigns. The Founders were not only familiar with de Vattel's treatise, they relied on it extensively when they wrote laws and Constitutions (of their respective States, not just the Federal one.)

In Section 212 of de Vattel's treatise, he states the following:

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
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Re: Lake Erie UFO Footage From Michael Lee Hill - August 9, 2012
Those are airplanes.

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 Quoting: Copernica


They appear out of nowhere, move to the left then stop and hover, Silent and the simple fact it is a huge ball of fire or star like object = Not an airplane.

Also the FAA & Cleveland Airports reported these Lake Erie UFO's are not In Normal Flight Paths, Not Showing Up On Radar and Nothing They Are Doing = Not an airplane

MSNBC contacted the FAA and all local Cleveland Airports who said These objects are not in normal flight paths, that none of these objects were anyhting they were doing and these objects were not showing up on any of the airports radar as well!

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You don't live in the area of mike and as such this was filmed close to a nuke power plant and after 9/11 no planes are allowed to fly in that area.
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You don't live in the area of mike and as such this was filmed close to a nuke power plant and after 9/11 no planes are allowed to fly in that area.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22193136


Yes, I just finished filming a new TV show for a major network, they actually got the FAA flight Papers and they will show the huge two red no fly zones around where these objects are appearing, near Eastlake CEI Power Plant and Perry Nuclear power plant a little further down the Lake Erie shoreline, both will be proven to be without a doubt, no fly zones.
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Those are airplanes.

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 Quoting: Copernica


You don't live in the area of mike and as such this was filmed close to a nuke power plant and after 9/11 no planes are allowed to fly in that area.
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Incorrect - I actually do live in the area...and I have my whole life.
"Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen." John Jay, NY,NY - 1787

When the US Constitution was written, the "natural law" that dealt with issues such as nationality and allegiance to a sovereign was called "the law of nations." Modernly, we call this "international law." In 1788, the preeminent codification, description and explanation of "the law of nations" was a work written by Emerich de Vattel, entitled THE LAW OF NATIONS, or principles of the law of nature applied to the conduct and affairs of nations and sovereigns. The Founders were not only familiar with de Vattel's treatise, they relied on it extensively when they wrote laws and Constitutions (of their respective States, not just the Federal one.)

In Section 212 of de Vattel's treatise, he states the following:

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
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Re: Lake Erie UFO Footage From Michael Lee Hill - August 9, 2012
Those are airplanes.

wakeup
 Quoting: Copernica


They appear out of nowhere, move to the left then stop and hover, Silent and the simple fact it is a huge ball of fire or star like object = Not an airplane.

Also the FAA & Cleveland Airports reported these Lake Erie UFO's are not In Normal Flight Paths, Not Showing Up On Radar and Nothing They Are Doing = Not an airplane

MSNBC contacted the FAA and all local Cleveland Airports who said These objects are not in normal flight paths, that none of these objects were anyhting they were doing and these objects were not showing up on any of the airports radar as well!


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22091738


But that doesn't cover the new ones you just posted.

I've asked before for coordinates & exact times of where you're filming these from. Without it - your claims and videos are showing lights somewhere out over the lake.

And the fact is, airplanes fly out over the lake on various paths both incoming and outgoing. We only have your word that the area you're filming is a no fly zone. Even with the coordinates and times - there's still the issue of calculating distance. The distance could place them outside of the no fly zone.

Again, I've spent my whole life here and I've watched lord knows how many aircraft of all types flying over the lake at all times of day. Your video appears to show standard airplane patterns and lighting.

As far as contacting all local airports - that doesn't necessarily cover all small private planes. The small planes don't have to report into any of the airports or any ATC station. They also don't have to have transponders on them. A person could fly from some private strip around Buffalo fly to Detroit over the lake, and not talk to anyone or be identified on radar at any time in between take-off and landing.
"Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen." John Jay, NY,NY - 1787

When the US Constitution was written, the "natural law" that dealt with issues such as nationality and allegiance to a sovereign was called "the law of nations." Modernly, we call this "international law." In 1788, the preeminent codification, description and explanation of "the law of nations" was a work written by Emerich de Vattel, entitled THE LAW OF NATIONS, or principles of the law of nature applied to the conduct and affairs of nations and sovereigns. The Founders were not only familiar with de Vattel's treatise, they relied on it extensively when they wrote laws and Constitutions (of their respective States, not just the Federal one.)

In Section 212 of de Vattel's treatise, he states the following:

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
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Re: Lake Erie UFO Footage From Michael Lee Hill - August 9, 2012
Those are airplanes.

wakeup
 Quoting: Copernica


You don't live in the area of mike and as such this was filmed close to a nuke power plant and after 9/11 no planes are allowed to fly in that area.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22193136


Yes, I just finished filming a new TV show for a major network, they actually got the FAA flight Papers and they will show the huge two red no fly zones around where these objects are appearing, near Eastlake CEI Power Plant and Perry Nuclear power plant a little further down the Lake Erie shoreline, both will be proven to be without a doubt, no fly zones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22091738



MLH, you rock dude...! Ignore the 'airplane' misdirection...
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