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The government is saying, if you live in a house with a racist/ignorant dumb parent who want to brainwash you into questioning your natural instincts, they will help.

I suppose you're ok with parents keeping their children in a cage and feeding them dog food and not educating them? The government shouldnt have the right to make you feed, clothes, and educate an innocent child right?

The stupidity in this forum is OFF.THE.CHARTS.
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You're so fucking stupid it burns!!! Do you hear yourself????? And who decides what is racist or excuse me, ignorant or dumb? so a parent(s) do not have a college degree, the gov. can now label you as unfit and do with YOUR children what they will... Take your gay support and stick it up your assskull_fing
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You don't need a college degree for common sense. You added all your paranoid government is coming for me bullshit to make your bigotry and racism seem legit. Why don't you go burn some crosses buddy.
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Government takes our freedoms on a weekly basis and your small brain tells you that i am a bigot because i don't like my freedom being infringed upon? MORE DRIBBLE FROM YOU.
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Here is some TOTALLY WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT LEGISLATION
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) was a landmark piece of legislation in the United States[1] that outlawed major forms of discrimination against racial, ethnic, national and religious minorities and women.[2]. It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public ("public accommodations").
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Small poerson, midget!
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No, most people are ignorant because they don't face the thing they hate or fear. Women, blacks, gays, all discriminated against, all have moved forward because people said enough is enough. You bible thumping ignorant dummies are simply the crust that forms around society, eventually you'll be brushed off and swept aside for a more enlightened society. Sucks to be you
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Most people are ignorant because of Government Brainwashing.

The Black Family were in better shape during Slavery times then they are now....
 Quoting: christian


That's a good one, I'm sure someday you'll meet a black person and share that with them. I hope you have insurance.
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Insurance why? Looks like you are the one that is a racist...


During Slavery the Father and Husband did not walk out on his wife and kids...


GO into the Slums and Inner Cities and tell me how the Black Family is doing...

Wise up.
 Quoting: christian


You're so racist and stupid. Nothing like painting the black american family with the brush of the slums and inner cities. I guess we should paint all white people as rednecks, suburban meth heads, wall street criminals, and religious pedophiles.

Claiming a family was better off when they were treated like property takes the cake. YOU WIN THE INTERNET. Now go eat a dick.



You are Foolish...

Now the Black Family belongs to the U.S Government....

Go look at New Orleans and see how much the Gov't has helped the Black Family..

Sorry Sparky even the Slave Owners treated the Blacks better than that...

And Wise Up I am not condoning slavery hopwever you are not a FREE MAN when the government owns you...



You racist fucks love to compartmentalize to make your case. The country is more than corrupt New Orleans. The country is more than racist LAPD. I am not for handouts, but I am for legislating a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. Helping gay children with a LIFELINE from a hateful, ignorant, brainwashed parent is a GOOD thing IMO. But of course, I have spoken to gay people, and understand their situation. You watch the news and make your racist reactions based on ignorance.
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You are suck a sucker.
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If you think the word of god in a book written thousands of years ago is true, then you are a true mental patient. Ask yourself, would you ever choose to suck a dick? Did you have to consciously choose to be attracted to women?

Use your brain and stop letting a book of fables overrule common sense.
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lol , the usual tripe from a blind homosexual God-hater. Do you think people who have sex with animals had no choice either ? Herp , derp. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12386757


More proof that you're a bible brainwashed idiot. Comparing homosexuality with bestiality shows you have very little education and look to an invisible man in the sky to guide you through a life of mediocrity.
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Truth hurt ? You have been brainwashed by this world of sin and wickedness. My comparison was fine and clearly demonstrated that both perversions are carried out by choice and there is nothing natural about them. And God is very real but you wouldn't know that because he does not reveal himself to people like you void of humility and full of pride and rebellion !
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Did he reveal himself to all those pedophile priests? What about the Vatican who covered up for these child raping god lovers.

Don't even bother reciting your testament that's been hacked and slashed by ever religious scholar ever, just know that you are living in a false utopia while contributing the agenda that is responsible for more death and destruction than any other movement on the planet.
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If you think the word of god in a book written thousands of years ago is true, then you are a true mental patient. Ask yourself, would you ever choose to suck a dick? Did you have to consciously choose to be attracted to women?

Use your brain and stop letting a book of fables overrule common sense.
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Many gay people love sucking penis's.
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Yes, because they have the biological urge, not because they want to be friends with the emo crowd and become a broadway singer. If there was a god, he'd be laughing at how easily you're manipulated by fairy tales. moron.
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No it's called lust. Science has proven that there is no gay gene so drop the bullshit !
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There are gay animals. Pick up a science book, they update them frequently as we learn Jugghead
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parents should certainly have the right to guide, and/or seek therapy for their children when they deem it necessary. However, in some cases, that guidance turns abusive and/or straight out cruel. I recently talked to a woman whose 18 year old son just came out. She was so distraught, she indicated that she rather he be dead than gay. he is in his first year of college and is a star athlete. She then began to rip all of his ribbons, trophies and newspaper articles off the wall. She also called the police trying to claim his step father must have molested him as a child. I tried to comfort her, telling her it could just be a phase, experimentation ect, and there are definitely worse things that could happen. She did not think so. I met the kid the next day. He is sooo obviously gay, my comments the previous day seemed extremely unlikely. I think this woman could probably cause real emotional damage to her son, and he is technically an adult who could leave. I cant even imagine how the situation would had played out had he been a minor.
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I definitely would support this bill in such cases. It appears the opponents of this bill still treat homosexuality as an illness.
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"Illness"...no! Abomination before The Most High God - Yes!
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Most people are ignorant because of Government Brainwashing.

The Black Family were in better shape during Slavery times then they are now....
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That's a good one, I'm sure someday you'll meet a black person and share that with them. I hope you have insurance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17881200


Insurance why? Looks like you are the one that is a racist...


During Slavery the Father and Husband did not walk out on his wife and kids...


GO into the Slums and Inner Cities and tell me how the Black Family is doing...

Wise up.
 Quoting: christian


You're so racist and stupid. Nothing like painting the black american family with the brush of the slums and inner cities. I guess we should paint all white people as rednecks, suburban meth heads, wall street criminals, and religious pedophiles.

Claiming a family was better off when they were treated like property takes the cake. YOU WIN THE INTERNET. Now go eat a dick.
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You are Foolish...

Now the Black Family belongs to the U.S Government....

Go look at New Orleans and see how much the Gov't has helped the Black Family..

Sorry Sparky even the Slave Owners treated the Blacks better than that...

And Wise Up I am not condoning slavery hopwever you are not a FREE MAN when the government owns you...



You racist fucks love to compartmentalize to make your case. The country is more than corrupt New Orleans. The country is more than racist LAPD. I am not for handouts, but I am for legislating a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. Helping gay children with a LIFELINE from a hateful, ignorant, brainwashed parent is a GOOD thing IMO. But of course, I have spoken to gay people, and understand their situation. You watch the news and make your racist reactions based on ignorance.


Flat out LIES and Dribble from you....

Yeah let the School dish-out Condoms to grade schoolers, and give free advice on gettting Abortions because they have nothing but BIGOT RACIST HOMOPHOBE PARENTS... What delusion you are under..When were your born in 1999?

A Child that says they are GAY has no clue what that means..

He has no clue about the Morality of Homosexuality..(Because there isn't any)

No clue about what Family is as a Homosexual

No clue about the sexual activity of being a Homosexual

No clue about the Health risks being a Homosexual..

But after all you think Kids are guinea pigs for the Government...

You also have no clue about the LAPD...

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You can't force someone to not be gay, the act is as futile as the bill itself.
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The government is saying, if you live in a house with a racist/ignorant dumb parent who want to brainwash you into questioning your natural instincts, they will help.

I suppose you're ok with parents keeping their children in a cage and feeding them dog food and not educating them? The government shouldnt have the right to make you feed, clothes, and educate an innocent child right?

The stupidity in this forum is OFF.THE.CHARTS.
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You're an idiot, you know that? Did you even READ what I wrote? No, because I think you're a part of the sheeple that agree with the government on everything! MY POINT was if this bill passes then the Gov't can have the right to come into our home to pretty much do anything they like under the guise "monitoring!" And if you'll also read what I read I said the MAJORITY of us know what is good for our children! I despise retards that use the extreme to prove a point!

yes... the stupidity today is "of the charts" and you just topped it, moran!

~ Juju
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The government isn't coming into your house. Paranoid much? They're providing help to innocent children born of stupid parents. You're probably one of those idiots that home schools the kid and has a shotgun and a month of canned food ready for the apocalypse. Your poor kids. Someday they'll run from you and never look back5a
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See? This shows how ignorant you are! If this bill passes then the door will be open for the Gov't to come in and say "I need to see how you're dressing your child!" or "I need to see if your children are being taught the correct curriculum." That is NONE of the Government's business! If I decided to homeschool my child, that's MY business! If I decide that private schooling is the best, that is MY business! If I decide to help my child physically with a diet to help reduce weight (or gain weight, for that matter) that is MY business! As I stated, we (as parents) know what is right for our child! (I presume you have no children? If that is the case, please come back and talk to us when you do!)

You know - what's wonderful about GLP is that this is a place where we can "agree to disagree" - in this case I take that stance.

~ Juju
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Trying to force your kid to be straight is not the same as trying to help your kid eat healthy.
It would be like you waking up and your parents deciding you HAD to be gay, and that as long as you lived under their roof, you had to suck of the cable guy for free showtime.

I think you'd be looking for some help if that was how your parents CHOSE to raise you.
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Many gay people love sucking penis's.
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Yes, because they have the biological urge, not because they want to be friends with the emo crowd and become a broadway singer. If there was a god, he'd be laughing at how easily you're manipulated by fairy tales. moron.
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No it's called lust. Science has proven that there is no gay gene so drop the bullshit !
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There are gay animals. Pick up a science book, they update them frequently as we learn Jugghead
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I have never heard an animal be referred as *Heterosexual*
when did science discover Homosexual Animals but not Heterosexual Animals?
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Don't try to convert the vessels of wrath, they are being fitted for destruction.
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Yes, because they have the biological urge, not because they want to be friends with the emo crowd and become a broadway singer. If there was a god, he'd be laughing at how easily you're manipulated by fairy tales. moron.
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No it's called lust. Science has proven that there is no gay gene so drop the bullshit !
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There are gay animals. Pick up a science book, they update them frequently as we learn Jugghead
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I have never heard an animal be referred as *Heterosexual*
when did science discover Homosexual Animals but not Heterosexual Animals?
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It's not hard to put two and two together...
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look at all the God hating vessels of wrath posting in this thread. Homosexuality is sin and is condemned by God, no amount of legislation on earth can change that fact. Those that spend their time on earth defending and condoning sin will answer for it on judgment day.
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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parents should certainly have the right to guide, and/or seek therapy for their children when they deem it necessary. However, in some cases, that guidance turns abusive and/or straight out cruel. I recently talked to a woman whose 18 year old son just came out. She was so distraught, she indicated that she rather he be dead than gay. he is in his first year of college and is a star athlete. She then began to rip all of his ribbons, trophies and newspaper articles off the wall. She also called the police trying to claim his step father must have molested him as a child. I tried to comfort her, telling her it could just be a phase, experimentation ect, and there are definitely worse things that could happen. She did not think so. I met the kid the next day. He is sooo obviously gay, my comments the previous day seemed extremely unlikely. I think this woman could probably cause real emotional damage to her son, and he is technically an adult who could leave. I cant even imagine how the situation would had played out had he been a minor.
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I definitely would support this bill in such cases. It appears the opponents of this bill still treat homosexuality as an illness.
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"Illness"...no! Abomination before The Most High God - Yes!
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How many of these rules are you following god lover. Get bent. Evolve dude.



MOST UNEXPECTEDLY WISE AND LIFE-ENHANCING RULES
Keep the sabbath. As a workaholic (I check my emails in the middle of movies), I learned the beauty of an enforced pause in the week. No cell phones, no messages, no thinking about deadlines. It was a bizarre and glorious feeling. As one famous rabbi called it, the sabbath is a "sanctuary in time."

"Let your garments be always white" Ecclesiastes 9:8. I chose to follow this literally - I wore white pants, a white shirt and a white jacket. This was one of the best things I did all year. I felt lighter, happier, purer. Clothes make the man: You can't be in a bad mood when you're dressed like you're about to play the semi-finals at Wimbledon.

No gossip. When you try to go on a gossip diet, you realize just how much of our conversations involve negative speech about others. But holding your tongue is like the verbal equivalent of wearing white. I felt cleaner and untainted.

No images. If you interpret the second commandment literally, then it tells you not to make a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or underwater. Which pretty much covers it. So I tried to eliminate photos, TV, movies, doodling. It made me realize we're too visual in this culture. It made me fall in love once again with words, with text.

Give thanks. The Bible says to thank the Lord after meals. I did that. Perhaps too much. I got carried away. I gave thanks for everything - for the subway coming on time, for the comfortableness of my couch, etc. It was strange but great. Never have I been so aware of the thousands of little things that go right in our lives.

MOST BAFFLING RULES TO THE 21ST CENTURY MIND
(Note: See bottom of this for possible explanations of some of these rules)
You shall not wear a "garment of cloth made of two kinds of stuff." (Leviticus 19:19). At first, I thought this applied to any mixed fiber. So I cleared my closet of all polycotton T-shirts. But it turns out the truly forbidden combo is mixing wool and linen. Sadly, my only good suit - my wedding suit -- contained both wool and linen. So I had to embargo it for a year.

If you are in a fistfight with another man, and his wife grabs your private parts, you "shall cut off her hand." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12). Another rule you won't find engraved outside many courthouses.

If you suspect your wife is cheating, you shall bring her to a priest, who will mix a potion of barley, water, and dust, which the woman shall drink. If she's cheating, her stomach will swell. (Numbers 5:11-20).

If you set your slave free after six years, but he decides to stay, then you shall bring him to the doorpost and bore a hole in his ear. (Exodus 21:5).

RULES THAT I SUCCESSFULLY KEPT THE ENTIRE YEAR WITHOUT VIOLATING EVEN ONCE

You shall not marry your wife's sister (Leviticus 18:18) It helps that my wife doesn't have a sister.

You shall not plant your field with two kinds of seed (Leviticus 19:19). I did plant some cucumber seeds in some pots. But I kept it purely cukes.

You shall not eat eagles, vultures, black vultures, red kites, black kites, ravens, horned or screech owl, gull or any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Do not become a shrine prostitute (Deuteronomy 23;17) I didn't become any kind of prostitute.

MOST DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW
You shall not trim the corners of your beard (Leviticus 19:27) My rabbinical beard became wildly uncomfortable, plus I was subjected to every beard joke in the history of facial hair, with about 412 ZZ Top references.

You should not lie on a bed where a mensturating woman has lain, and you can't sit on a chair where she has sat (Leviticus 15:20). That knocks out all subways and restaurants. See the Handy Seat section for my attempt to follow this.

You shall smash idols. The ban on idolatry is such a huge part of the Bible, I figured I should try to smash something. I ended up smashing my wife's fake Oscar statuette. But it felt like a hollow gesture, and it annoyed my wife by getting gold flakes all over the rug.

Put to death men and women who commit adultery. Though I did manage to figure out a way to stone adulterers. One adulterer in particular. A grumpy seventysomething man I met in the park. I used pebbles.

RULES VIOLATED AT LEAST ONE TIME PER DAY
You shall not covet. This is like asking someone not to breathe. Especially in New York. New York is a city that runs on coveting. On a typical day, I covet everything from Jonathan Safran Foer's speaking fee (allegedly $15,000) to our friend's sprawling backyard in the suburbs.

You shall not lie. Once I started keeping track, the number of lies was astounding. I lie to everyone - strangers, my wife, my three-year-old son ("No, we can't watch TV. It's broken.")

You shall stand in the presence of the elderly. I did try to follow this at certain points in my journey. Like the time I ate dinner in a Florida restaurant at 5 p.m. That was the highest concentration of elderly people in America. So I stood up from my chair every time a white-haired person entered the room, which meant I was bouncing up and down like a pogo stick.

You shall not utter the name of another God. English is filled with the names of pagan gods - even the days of the week are named for them: Thursday, for the Norse god of thunder Thor.

Be slow to anger (Proverbs 19:11). My anger isn't of the shouting, pulsing, vein-in-the-forehead variety. It's more of long-lasting resentment. I never fully got it under control, but the best method for putting the brakes on my anger came from the story of Jonah. (See the book for details)

THE BAFFLING RULES (KIND OF, SORT OF) EXPLAINED

There are two schools of thought on the baffling rules. Well, there are countless schools of thought on them. But I'll keep it to two for simplicity.

a) Many baffling rules have no rational explanation. We have to accept what God tells us, because He knows better than we do, just as a parent knows better than a child.

b) The baffling rules actually do have a rational explanation. They either made perfect logical sense back in biblical time, or they yield tangible benefits today, or both. Here, the spin on the baffling rules cited above (note: I'm not saying I buy all this spin, but I present it to you to judge):

--No mixing of wool and linen. This taught the ancient Israelites to keep things separate, good training for not intermarrying.

--If a woman grabs her husband's opponent, she shall have her hand cut off. The hand-chopping part was meant as a metaphor: The woman actually just had to pay a monetary fine. And why? Because she had embarrassed her husband and his opponent.

--Make a suspected adulteress drink holy water. This was early marriage counseling. If the woman is, indeed, innocent of adultery, all she has to do is drink some water with a little dirt in it, and her husband's mind will be put at ease. Marriage saved.

--Drill a hole in a slave's ear if he refuses freedom. A man, it's argued, should embrace freedom. An ear hole is a mark of humiliation, another reason why he should leave his master.
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Does the Cali senate really have nothing else better to do?
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Nah, just because the whole state is going bankrupt doesn't mean they shouldn't push for more queers.
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Again, any parent that, due to what their neighbors or pastors think, tries to hammer their child who is a round peg, into a square whole, doesnt know what parenting is. Our children are gifts, we do not own them, and though we are here to guide them, we are not here to bend them out of shape or tell them they are not meant to be who they are, with their personalities, their gifts, their unique spirits, and trying to get them to stop seeking within and obey obey obey.

Children have a thing or two to teach parents, I would say.

I've been lucky, none of my sons are homosexual or bisexual. I have a feeling that none of us had this lesson to deal with, we didn't have to overcome this.

When its in your family, you're getting a big lesson to overcome, and the problem is never in the Other person. Its in us, the one having the problem.

The problem isn't in being who you are.

The problem is in the programming and mindset of someone who can't accept other people being who they are.

Note this is about the person's neutral state of being. Not about accepting someone murdering or raping another, for that is not the neutral state of being who you are, but negativity resulting in having made choices, or having been hurt enormously and then made choices, here in this world.

Who your children are however, your teens, if you haven't abused them, is their neutral states, their core beings.
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn


Sooo...you set yourself ABOVE The Most High God...The Devil tried to do that...he failed...I suspect you will fail as well!
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look at all the God hating vessels of wrath posting in this thread. Homosexuality is sin and is condemned by God, no amount of legislation on earth can change that fact. Those that spend their time on earth defending and condoning sin will answer for it on judgment day.
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Cool story bro.
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Don't try to convert the vessels of wrath, they are being fitted for destruction.
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And the government is trying to get them there...

The Terrible Truth of what is going on...
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the emotional damage inflicted on kids from parents who think being gay is 'evil'/ 'wrong' is absolutely disgusting. try to force them to be not homosexual, for some bullshit fantasy religious dogma? its like trying to turn a squirrel into a hamster...it aint gonna happen.

accept your children for who they are & love them regardless of the sexual orientation.

homosexuality is part of nature & NEVER going to go away

so stop your goddamned hypocritical whining about morality / whats right and wrong in your small minded view of the world & let people be who nature intended them to be.
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Again, any parent that, due to what their neighbors or pastors think, tries to hammer their child who is a round peg, into a square whole, doesnt know what parenting is. Our children are gifts, we do not own them, and though we are here to guide them, we are not here to bend them out of shape or tell them they are not meant to be who they are, with their personalities, their gifts, their unique spirits, and trying to get them to stop seeking within and obey obey obey.

Children have a thing or two to teach parents, I would say.

I've been lucky, none of my sons are homosexual or bisexual. I have a feeling that none of us had this lesson to deal with, we didn't have to overcome this.

When its in your family, you're getting a big lesson to overcome, and the problem is never in the Other person. Its in us, the one having the problem.

The problem isn't in being who you are.

The problem is in the programming and mindset of someone who can't accept other people being who they are.

Note this is about the person's neutral state of being. Not about accepting someone murdering or raping another, for that is not the neutral state of being who you are, but negativity resulting in having made choices, or having been hurt enormously and then made choices, here in this world.

Who your children are however, your teens, if you haven't abused them, is their neutral states, their core beings.
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Sooo...you set yourself ABOVE The Most High God...The Devil tried to do that...he failed...I suspect you will fail as well!
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Don't try to convert the vessels of wrath, they are being fitted for destruction.
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And the government is trying to get them there...

The Terrible Truth of what is going on...
 Quoting: christian


Yeah, and they are WILLINGLY going there. They hate God, and nothing anyone says can change their wicked hardened little hearts.

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parents should certainly have the right to guide, and/or seek therapy for their children when they deem it necessary. However, in some cases, that guidance turns abusive and/or straight out cruel. I recently talked to a woman whose 18 year old son just came out. She was so distraught, she indicated that she rather he be dead than gay. he is in his first year of college and is a star athlete. She then began to rip all of his ribbons, trophies and newspaper articles off the wall. She also called the police trying to claim his step father must have molested him as a child. I tried to comfort her, telling her it could just be a phase, experimentation ect, and there are definitely worse things that could happen. She did not think so. I met the kid the next day. He is sooo obviously gay, my comments the previous day seemed extremely unlikely. I think this woman could probably cause real emotional damage to her son, and he is technically an adult who could leave. I cant even imagine how the situation would had played out had he been a minor.
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I definitely would support this bill in such cases. It appears the opponents of this bill still treat homosexuality as an illness.
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"Illness"...no! Abomination before The Most High God - Yes!
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How many of these rules are you following god lover. Get bent. Evolve dude.



MOST UNEXPECTEDLY WISE AND LIFE-ENHANCING RULES
Keep the sabbath. As a workaholic (I check my emails in the middle of movies), I learned the beauty of an enforced pause in the week. No cell phones, no messages, no thinking about deadlines. It was a bizarre and glorious feeling. As one famous rabbi called it, the sabbath is a "sanctuary in time."

"Let your garments be always white" Ecclesiastes 9:8. I chose to follow this literally - I wore white pants, a white shirt and a white jacket. This was one of the best things I did all year. I felt lighter, happier, purer. Clothes make the man: You can't be in a bad mood when you're dressed like you're about to play the semi-finals at Wimbledon.

No gossip. When you try to go on a gossip diet, you realize just how much of our conversations involve negative speech about others. But holding your tongue is like the verbal equivalent of wearing white. I felt cleaner and untainted.

No images. If you interpret the second commandment literally, then it tells you not to make a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or underwater. Which pretty much covers it. So I tried to eliminate photos, TV, movies, doodling. It made me realize we're too visual in this culture. It made me fall in love once again with words, with text.

Give thanks. The Bible says to thank the Lord after meals. I did that. Perhaps too much. I got carried away. I gave thanks for everything - for the subway coming on time, for the comfortableness of my couch, etc. It was strange but great. Never have I been so aware of the thousands of little things that go right in our lives.

MOST BAFFLING RULES TO THE 21ST CENTURY MIND
(Note: See bottom of this for possible explanations of some of these rules)
You shall not wear a "garment of cloth made of two kinds of stuff." (Leviticus 19:19). At first, I thought this applied to any mixed fiber. So I cleared my closet of all polycotton T-shirts. But it turns out the truly forbidden combo is mixing wool and linen. Sadly, my only good suit - my wedding suit -- contained both wool and linen. So I had to embargo it for a year.

If you are in a fistfight with another man, and his wife grabs your private parts, you "shall cut off her hand." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12). Another rule you won't find engraved outside many courthouses.

If you suspect your wife is cheating, you shall bring her to a priest, who will mix a potion of barley, water, and dust, which the woman shall drink. If she's cheating, her stomach will swell. (Numbers 5:11-20).

If you set your slave free after six years, but he decides to stay, then you shall bring him to the doorpost and bore a hole in his ear. (Exodus 21:5).

RULES THAT I SUCCESSFULLY KEPT THE ENTIRE YEAR WITHOUT VIOLATING EVEN ONCE

You shall not marry your wife's sister (Leviticus 18:18) It helps that my wife doesn't have a sister.

You shall not plant your field with two kinds of seed (Leviticus 19:19). I did plant some cucumber seeds in some pots. But I kept it purely cukes.

You shall not eat eagles, vultures, black vultures, red kites, black kites, ravens, horned or screech owl, gull or any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Do not become a shrine prostitute (Deuteronomy 23;17) I didn't become any kind of prostitute.

MOST DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW
You shall not trim the corners of your beard (Leviticus 19:27) My rabbinical beard became wildly uncomfortable, plus I was subjected to every beard joke in the history of facial hair, with about 412 ZZ Top references.

You should not lie on a bed where a mensturating woman has lain, and you can't sit on a chair where she has sat (Leviticus 15:20). That knocks out all subways and restaurants. See the Handy Seat section for my attempt to follow this.

You shall smash idols. The ban on idolatry is such a huge part of the Bible, I figured I should try to smash something. I ended up smashing my wife's fake Oscar statuette. But it felt like a hollow gesture, and it annoyed my wife by getting gold flakes all over the rug.

Put to death men and women who commit adultery. Though I did manage to figure out a way to stone adulterers. One adulterer in particular. A grumpy seventysomething man I met in the park. I used pebbles.

RULES VIOLATED AT LEAST ONE TIME PER DAY
You shall not covet. This is like asking someone not to breathe. Especially in New York. New York is a city that runs on coveting. On a typical day, I covet everything from Jonathan Safran Foer's speaking fee (allegedly $15,000) to our friend's sprawling backyard in the suburbs.

You shall not lie. Once I started keeping track, the number of lies was astounding. I lie to everyone - strangers, my wife, my three-year-old son ("No, we can't watch TV. It's broken.")

You shall stand in the presence of the elderly. I did try to follow this at certain points in my journey. Like the time I ate dinner in a Florida restaurant at 5 p.m. That was the highest concentration of elderly people in America. So I stood up from my chair every time a white-haired person entered the room, which meant I was bouncing up and down like a pogo stick.

You shall not utter the name of another God. English is filled with the names of pagan gods - even the days of the week are named for them: Thursday, for the Norse god of thunder Thor.

Be slow to anger (Proverbs 19:11). My anger isn't of the shouting, pulsing, vein-in-the-forehead variety. It's more of long-lasting resentment. I never fully got it under control, but the best method for putting the brakes on my anger came from the story of Jonah. (See the book for details)

THE BAFFLING RULES (KIND OF, SORT OF) EXPLAINED

There are two schools of thought on the baffling rules. Well, there are countless schools of thought on them. But I'll keep it to two for simplicity.

a) Many baffling rules have no rational explanation. We have to accept what God tells us, because He knows better than we do, just as a parent knows better than a child.

b) The baffling rules actually do have a rational explanation. They either made perfect logical sense back in biblical time, or they yield tangible benefits today, or both. Here, the spin on the baffling rules cited above (note: I'm not saying I buy all this spin, but I present it to you to judge):

--No mixing of wool and linen. This taught the ancient Israelites to keep things separate, good training for not intermarrying.

--If a woman grabs her husband's opponent, she shall have her hand cut off. The hand-chopping part was meant as a metaphor: The woman actually just had to pay a monetary fine. And why? Because she had embarrassed her husband and his opponent.

--Make a suspected adulteress drink holy water. This was early marriage counseling. If the woman is, indeed, innocent of adultery, all she has to do is drink some water with a little dirt in it, and her husband's mind will be put at ease. Marriage saved.

--Drill a hole in a slave's ear if he refuses freedom. A man, it's argued, should embrace freedom. An ear hole is a mark of humiliation, another reason why he should leave his master.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17881200


As noted previously-you set yourself ABOVE The Most High God- the Devil tried to do that and failed...I suspect you will as well!
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Does the Cali senate really have nothing else better to do?
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Nah, just because the whole state is going bankrupt doesn't mean they shouldn't push for more queers.
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:inflate:
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Say a child of 13 tells the parent they are GAY...

The Parent asks child: Meaning what?

Child- I am attracted to my own gender..

Parent asks the child..And?

Child: What do you mean AND?

Parent- You are attracted to your own gender, what does that mean for you?

Child says I don't understand...


The Parent says; Why don't we as a Family seek counseling for you and us so we can understand what all this means for you and your family..


However: BIG BROTHER SAY'S NO NO NO...WE will tell you how to raise your child as a Homosexual..

That is Being a MODERN SLAVE to the Government....

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Again, any parent that, due to what their neighbors or pastors think, tries to hammer their child who is a round peg, into a square whole, doesnt know what parenting is. Our children are gifts, we do not own them, and though we are here to guide them, we are not here to bend them out of shape or tell them they are not meant to be who they are, with their personalities, their gifts, their unique spirits, and trying to get them to stop seeking within and obey obey obey.

Children have a thing or two to teach parents, I would say.

I've been lucky, none of my sons are homosexual or bisexual. I have a feeling that none of us had this lesson to deal with, we didn't have to overcome this.

When its in your family, you're getting a big lesson to overcome, and the problem is never in the Other person. Its in us, the one having the problem.

The problem isn't in being who you are.

The problem is in the programming and mindset of someone who can't accept other people being who they are.

Note this is about the person's neutral state of being. Not about accepting someone murdering or raping another, for that is not the neutral state of being who you are, but negativity resulting in having made choices, or having been hurt enormously and then made choices, here in this world.

Who your children are however, your teens, if you haven't abused them, is their neutral states, their core beings.
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn


Sooo...you set yourself ABOVE The Most High God...The Devil tried to do that...he failed...I suspect you will fail as well!
 Quoting: jdb


You would love my tattoo.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14896274


Yes-your tattoo prolaims your decision - repent, or you WILL find yourself bending your knees and confessing He Is The Most High God before being thrown into an regretfilled eternity that is beyond your imagination!
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Lol, you degenerates just go to show how washington government needs to put a stop to your bs family-lack-of-values-government. Your ilk need to be controlled and not allowed to abuse their kids forcing them to become heterosexuals, forcing them to be think whites are superior to blacks, and huge big-ass etcetera
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Yes, because they have the biological urge, not because they want to be friends with the emo crowd and become a broadway singer. If there was a god, he'd be laughing at how easily you're manipulated by fairy tales. moron.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17881200


No it's called lust. Science has proven that there is no gay gene so drop the bullshit !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12386757


There are gay animals. Pick up a science book, they update them frequently as we learn Jugghead
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I have never heard an animal be referred as *Heterosexual*
when did science discover Homosexual Animals but not Heterosexual Animals?
 Quoting: christian


when a female animal wants to mate with another female or a male wants another male, that isn't because they saw it on Mtv or heard about it on twitter.
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the emotional damage inflicted on kids from parents who think being gay is 'evil'/ 'wrong' is absolutely disgusting. try to force them to be not homosexual, for some bullshit fantasy religious dogma? its like trying to turn a squirrel into a hamster...it aint gonna happen.

accept your children for who they are & love them regardless of the sexual orientation.

homosexuality is part of nature & NEVER going to go away

so stop your goddamned hypocritical whining about morality / whats right and wrong in your small minded view of the world & let people be who nature intended them to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21302847


Liberal Bull crapola...

If your child says they are a girl in a boy's body I assume you will run to the Doctor for a Sex Change...

Golly Gee Whiz- Need to love my child and make them happy even if it ruins there life in the long run..


What a Goofy comment from you...

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