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If this evil legislation passes, teaching your children Christianity or the Bible will be effectively made illegal.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Religious indoctrination is child abuse of the worst kind. It has ruined America.

All you do is perpetuate the bullshit of your ancestors, and destroy your children's minds in the process.
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Yeah that is why Kids are bringing guns to schools and gunning down there classmates because they been in Church all morning

Ding dong comment..
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I fail to see how this is forcing anything down anyones throats. Courts already have set precedent thousands of times to protect the emotional well being of children. If you starve your child of food, you go to jail, so you have a legal obligation to feed your child, that doesn't mean you're being forced to make them obese. OP is a fucking dolt.
 Quoting: katiepea


Honestly, I think one of the areas the OP was trying to point out is if Government can pass this "bill" it will lead to other areas that they feel they have the right to "monitor" - and honestly that scares me to death! It's not about healing gay children - it's about the future opportunities it opens up to TPTB!
 Quoting: *HAARP Lady*


that's a fair enough point, but that ship has sailed, you already can't protest or emote any dissent. I.E. : [link to www.businessinsider.com]

the government is already the big bad wolf, arguing over the details is the game they've convinced everyone to play.
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If this evil legislation passes, teaching your children Christianity or the Bible will be effectively made illegal.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Religious indoctrination is child abuse of the worst kind. It has ruined America.

All you do is perpetuate the bullshit of your ancestors, and destroy your children's minds in the process.
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Yeah that is why Kids are bringing guns to schools and gunning down there classmates because they been in Church all morning

Ding dong comment..
 Quoting: christian


actually yes, thank you for bringing up that point, the sexual abuse children have experienced in church has led to one of the largest sidearms of violence in children we've ever seen.
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Every prophecy in the bible has either been claimed BY THE BIBLE to have occurred(without any actual proof outside the bible claiming it happened) or is so vague that you would never know whether it happened or not.
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You know not what you speak of - go out and buy Carl Gallups "Magic Man in The Sky" Amazon - here's the link:
[link to www.amazon.com]
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I know exactly of what I speak of. I spent most of my life as a Christian arguing on message boards with Atheists calling them idiots until I realized I could never find any reason why I believed in god, especially since I always failed to find any credible evidence of the bible being anything but an old religious myth.
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This is messed up they are trying to force homosexuality
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The day that a law enforcement official attempts to enforce a law that tells me how to raise my children, blood will be shed and sure as shit, it will not be mine. They may be tough guys in a desert, but they are not even whale ahit in my yard.
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You realize there are sonar weapons that will make you shit yourself and double over from a mile away right?
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Ok - I'm out on this one! But please know, all of us WILL bend our knees before The Most High God and proclaim He Is King of kings and Lord of lords...whether you are bending your knees because of The Grace that He has provided or because your kneecaps have been broken by The One Who will Rule the nations with a rod of iron...you WILL bend your knee!

Your choice!
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And let me interject here - the majority of us (who have children) know what it takes to "take care of them." I would give my life for my children!! But if I choose to send them to public or private school, or have them go to church with me or have them in counselling for abusive behaviors that is MY business! (thankfully, my children are good kids and love their parents as much as we love them!)

THE POINT IS - the bill can open up new areas where the Government can monitor - let's not stray away from that point of topic, because I believe it is the 'shadow of doubt' on this bill - not just the "gay" aspect!

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Nothing is being forced down your throat. You can't change someone's sexuality; you're either straight or you're not. Could you imagine not being attracted to women(assuming you are a man) all of a sudden? No, because it's not possible.

Forcing someone to change their sexuality is wrong, and you are the one who should change; change your view on a person's sexual preferences and quit defining people by who they are attracted to.

Judge people on things that matter, such as how they treat other people and how friendly and caring they are, not who they choose to love.

Stop spreading hate, and start making this world a better place by being a more caring and loving person who isn't judging and condemning others based on something so silly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22043822


An eternity in Hell is "silly"!
 Quoting: jdb


Yes, because a true loving god would not put you in hell. Especially for who you choose to love and care for.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22043822


You go to hell of your own volition- by your own choice! God IS Loving and has provided a way of escape - take it, it's free to you and I
 Quoting: jdb


How did that work out for all the alter boys that were raped by priests? I think those pure young god lovers did everything you allmight god asked of them. Yet he still let a smelly old pedophile priest molest them.

You are sick to sell people into mental slavery
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If this evil legislation passes, teaching your children Christianity or the Bible will be effectively made illegal.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Religious indoctrination is child abuse of the worst kind. It has ruined America.

All you do is perpetuate the bullshit of your ancestors, and destroy your children's minds in the process.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22262211


Yeah that is why Kids are bringing guns to schools and gunning down there classmates because they been in Church all morning

Ding dong comment..
 Quoting: christian


actually yes, thank you for bringing up that point, the sexual abuse children have experienced in church has led to one of the largest sidearms of violence in children we've ever seen.
 Quoting: katiepea


THAT's a FLAT OUT LIE!~

Before 1964 and prayer was taken out of the Public School System there had NEVER BEEN ONE CASE OF SCHOOL VIOLENCE
and that is proven not your pile of pondscum bull....
Susie

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I fail to see how this is forcing anything down anyones throats. Courts already have set precedent thousands of times to protect the emotional well being of children. If you starve your child of food, you go to jail, so you have a legal obligation to feed your child, that doesn't mean you're being forced to make them obese. OP is a fucking dolt.
 Quoting: katiepea


Honestly, I think one of the areas the OP was trying to point out is if Government can pass this "bill" it will lead to other areas that they feel they have the right to "monitor" - and honestly that scares me to death! It's not about healing gay children - it's about the future opportunities it opens up to TPTB!
 Quoting: *HAARP Lady*


that's a fair enough point, but that ship has sailed, you already can't protest or emote any dissent. I.E. : [link to www.businessinsider.com]

the government is already the big bad wolf, arguing over the details is the game they've convinced everyone to play.
 Quoting: katiepea


And you know what? I concur with you on that - scares the poop outta me, too!
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You completely failed to address my point. Would those two situations now be the same, and would I not be responsible for shooting you?
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Your *point* is based in circular reasoning - kinda like statistics...can make 'em say what you want them to say! Here's the real point - you are rejecting The Grace of The Most High God! Have the integrity to call it what it is..and then live with it!
 Quoting: jdb


There is nothing circular about my point at all, it is just an analogy. I'm not trying to make you say anything; you're just avoiding having to reply to it because you know I'm right, otherwise you'd have no problem explaining why I'm wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22043822


Your analogy of holding a gun to my head presupposes God is doing the same thing to you - sorry man - God Is and we're not! Let's knock off all this nonsense! God is God, we're not, so let's stop trying to tell God Who He should be and what He should do! Check this irony:

Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God, you do well; even the demons believe and tremble.

EVEN the demons tremble...HOWEVER, humans mock!
 Quoting: jdb


God is not holding a gun to my head, but he is demanding I act a certain way or go to hell. In the analogy, the gun is hell and my demands are god's demands. If you disobey me I shoot you; if I disobey god, he sends me to hell.

Both situations are the same, so if you can't blame god for sending me to hell but blame me, then I can blame you for getting shot because you disobeyed me.
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Ok - I'm out on this one! But please know, all of us WILL bend our knees before The Most High God and proclaim He Is King of kings and Lord of lords...whether you are bending your knees because of The Grace that He has provided or because your kneecaps have been broken by The One Who will Rule the nations with a rod of iron...you WILL bend your knee!

Your choice!
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The only thing I hate about Atheism is that I won't be able to say "told you so" once we're both dead.
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LOL - thanks for the laugh!

Peace
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This is messed up they are trying to force homosexuality
down our throatsrant
 Quoting: Dmorg4


The day that a law enforcement official attempts to enforce a law that tells me how to raise my children, blood will be shed and sure as shit, it will not be mine. They may be tough guys in a desert, but they are not even whale ahit in my yard.
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You realize there are sonar weapons that will make you shit yourself and double over from a mile away right?
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sickly funny retort, and true. most of these people don't even realize that every key stroke they type, and esp. on sites like this, is attached to their personal identity by big brother for future ref., if not immediate action in some cases, as we are seeing.
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The Bottom line is!~

The Government has no buisness in telling parents how to raise there children unless the parent is diralect in there duties or abusing them...
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And that is exactly what the legislation aims to do. Thank you and goodnight.
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If this evil legislation passes, teaching your children Christianity or the Bible will be effectively made illegal.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Religious indoctrination is child abuse of the worst kind. It has ruined America.

All you do is perpetuate the bullshit of your ancestors, and destroy your children's minds in the process.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22262211


Yeah that is why Kids are bringing guns to schools and gunning down there classmates because they been in Church all morning

Ding dong comment..
 Quoting: christian


actually yes, thank you for bringing up that point, the sexual abuse children have experienced in church has led to one of the largest sidearms of violence in children we've ever seen.
 Quoting: katiepea


Here is a prayer commonly used in schools up until 1962:
"Almighty God we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our Country."


What happened in the United States in the years following the banning of prayer and Bible reading from public schools?

These are just some of the statistics covering "us", the students.


*Pregnancies in Teen Aged Girls - By 1994 had gone up 400%-Highest rate of teen aged motherhood in the West.


*Sexually Transmitted Diseases - Cases of gonorrhea up almost 400% among students age 10 to 14.


*Two Thirds of teenage boys say they've had sex. By the time they are 18 they've had on average, 5 partners.
*Rapes committed by 13-14 year old boys increased 186%.

These are statistics about the parents.
*Divorce rates - up 120%
*Single parent families - up 140%
Susie

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The Bottom line is!~

The Government has no buisness in telling parents how to raise there children unless the parent is diralect in there duties or abusing them...
 Quoting: christian


And that is exactly what the legislation aims to do. Thank you and goodnight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17881200


Just real quick - and how does the government decide who is "diralect in their dutes"? See the variables?? Again, this "bill" scares the poop right outta me!

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They can guide them asshat, they just can't force the gay out of them like it's a demon in a horror movie. Sheesh.
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Why not force the gay out of them if it is possible?

It's not like it's what I'd call desirable.
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That's because you're straight moron. Why not just force the straight out of you? Think it would be pleasing?
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It is PLEASING for a Child to grow up with his Mother and Father and live in a CIVILIZED WORLD where it is an Honor to have your MOM and DAD love and want to care for you...

That is very PLEASING and SACRED....
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Unless your mom is a racist idiot and your dad is a gay bashing asshole.
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The Bottom line is!~

The Government has no buisness in telling parents how to raise there children unless the parent is diralect in there duties or abusing them...
 Quoting: christian


And that is exactly what the legislation aims to do. Thank you and goodnight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17881200


and of course, everyone that is not a religious fundamentalist would say that forcing your kids sexual orientation constitutes abuse. christians will say you should have the right to force them not to be gay, yet state that others are forcing them to BE gay, which is silly, but a double standard. a forcing of the issue on either side is the same trauma. the government controls your childs education, what food your child is allowed to eat, the entertainment your child receives. sorry guys, they've owned you and your children for a long time. glad to see people waking up to it though.
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You completely failed to address my point. Would those two situations now be the same, and would I not be responsible for shooting you?
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Your *point* is based in circular reasoning - kinda like statistics...can make 'em say what you want them to say! Here's the real point - you are rejecting The Grace of The Most High God! Have the integrity to call it what it is..and then live with it!
 Quoting: jdb


There is nothing circular about my point at all, it is just an analogy. I'm not trying to make you say anything; you're just avoiding having to reply to it because you know I'm right, otherwise you'd have no problem explaining why I'm wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22043822


Your analogy of holding a gun to my head presupposes God is doing the same thing to you - sorry man - God Is and we're not! Let's knock off all this nonsense! God is God, we're not, so let's stop trying to tell God Who He should be and what He should do! Check this irony:

Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God, you do well; even the demons believe and tremble.

EVEN the demons tremble...HOWEVER, humans mock!
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Say it with me... "Because demons are stupid and humans are becoming more evolved and intelligent every day."
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Religious indoctrination is child abuse of the worst kind. It has ruined America.

All you do is perpetuate the bullshit of your ancestors, and destroy your children's minds in the process.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22262211


Yeah that is why Kids are bringing guns to schools and gunning down there classmates because they been in Church all morning

Ding dong comment..
 Quoting: christian


actually yes, thank you for bringing up that point, the sexual abuse children have experienced in church has led to one of the largest sidearms of violence in children we've ever seen.
 Quoting: katiepea


THAT's a FLAT OUT LIE!~

Before 1964 and prayer was taken out of the Public School System there had NEVER BEEN ONE CASE OF SCHOOL VIOLENCE
and that is proven not your pile of pondscum bull....
 Quoting: christian


wife beating and child abuse of all types were rampant and almost totally unreported and not attended to - 'didn't exist'. unlike today, when it is acknowledged and encouraged to be reported for redress.
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Yeah that is why Kids are bringing guns to schools and gunning down there classmates because they been in Church all morning

Ding dong comment..
 Quoting: christian


actually yes, thank you for bringing up that point, the sexual abuse children have experienced in church has led to one of the largest sidearms of violence in children we've ever seen.
 Quoting: katiepea


THAT's a FLAT OUT LIE!~

Before 1964 and prayer was taken out of the Public School System there had NEVER BEEN ONE CASE OF SCHOOL VIOLENCE
and that is proven not your pile of pondscum bull....
 Quoting: christian


wife beating and child abuse of all types were rampant and almost totally unreported and not attended to - 'didn't exist'. unlike today, when it is acknowledged and encouraged to be reported for redress.
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The reason they don't beat there wives today is because they just KILL THEM and there Kids too..

The Number one cause of Death for a Pregnant Woman is her husband....

Yeah they report them on the Jerry Springer Show....

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The Bottom line is!~

The Government has no buisness in telling parents how to raise there children unless the parent is diralect in there duties or abusing them...
 Quoting: christian


And that is exactly what the legislation aims to do. Thank you and goodnight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17881200


Just real quick - and how does the government decide who is "diralect in their dutes"? See the variables?? Again, this "bill" scares the poop right outta me!

Juju
 Quoting: *HAARP Lady*



I am talking about a Parent that does not clothe and feed there children, of course the gov't should step in, if the parent does not provide the essential needs for the child...
Susie

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This is typical, so many losses of liberty start with a drive to "save the children".

While untested or sadistic "aversion therapies" (as shown in the movie Latter Days) should be regulated, as they are ineffective and damaging, that is the purpose of the FDA and does not require additional regulation.
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Why not force the gay out of them if it is possible?

It's not like it's what I'd call desirable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


That's because you're straight moron. Why not just force the straight out of you? Think it would be pleasing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17881200


It is PLEASING for a Child to grow up with his Mother and Father and live in a CIVILIZED WORLD where it is an Honor to have your MOM and DAD love and want to care for you...

That is very PLEASING and SACRED....
 Quoting: christian


Unless your mom is a racist idiot and your dad is a gay bashing asshole.
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Spoken like someone who does not believe in Honor your Mother and Father...

Make your parents cowar to you at every cost..ey?
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Religious indoctrination is child abuse of the worst kind. It has ruined America.

All you do is perpetuate the bullshit of your ancestors, and destroy your children's minds in the process.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22262211


Yeah that is why Kids are bringing guns to schools and gunning down there classmates because they been in Church all morning

Ding dong comment..
 Quoting: christian


actually yes, thank you for bringing up that point, the sexual abuse children have experienced in church has led to one of the largest sidearms of violence in children we've ever seen.
 Quoting: katiepea


THAT's a FLAT OUT LIE!~

Before 1964 and prayer was taken out of the Public School System there had NEVER BEEN ONE CASE OF SCHOOL VIOLENCE
and that is proven not your pile of pondscum bull....
 Quoting: christian


i don't remember paying any attention to any school prayer - i think 99% of us ignored that kind of spoon fed bs like the rest of their ultr-conformist white bread agenda.

they still pray in catholic schools, though, although not as much alone in the sacristy with father purvis. (call no man father...for that is a set-up to give a mortal and always flawed human the power to abuse his 'children'. power corrupts, and absolute, or 'divine', power corrupts absolutely.)
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If this evil legislation passes, teaching your children Christianity or the Bible will be effectively made illegal.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Religious indoctrination is child abuse of the worst kind. It has ruined America.

All you do is perpetuate the bullshit of your ancestors, and destroy your children's minds in the process.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22262211


Yeah that is why Kids are bringing guns to schools and gunning down there classmates because they been in Church all morning

Ding dong comment..
 Quoting: christian


So now the gun shootings are because of society and not because of psyops and gun control
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While I am not sure about this bill... The first thing I think is "This wouldn't be necessary if there weren't crazy parents that are going to hurt their children trying to make them be straight"
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You know not what you speak of - go out and buy Carl Gallups "Magic Man in The Sky" Amazon - here's the link:
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I know exactly of what I speak of. I spent most of my life as a Christian arguing on message boards with Atheists calling them idiots until I realized I could never find any reason why I believed in god, especially since I always failed to find any credible evidence of the bible being anything but an old religious myth.
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Nice argument.
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But...he...posted lots of BS flags... A picture is worth a thousand...ahhhh Yeah.
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Ok - I'm out on this one! But please know, all of us WILL bend our knees before The Most High God and proclaim He Is King of kings and Lord of lords...whether you are bending your knees because of The Grace that He has provided or because your kneecaps have been broken by The One Who will Rule the nations with a rod of iron...you WILL bend your knee!

Your choice!
 Quoting: jdb


The only thing I hate about Atheism is that I won't be able to say "told you so" once we're both dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22043822


Hah that statement is the BEST reason for being an athiest! You're more concerned about saying FU after living a life based on an old book, instead of living your life to its fullest based on what you truly believe.

When life is over, and we're both just dust in the wind. My spirit will have lived with no regrets, and be ready to renew. I won't be looking to say I told you so.

If you're wrong and I'm right, you're gonna feel like you wasted life. If Im wrong and youre right, all the cool people will be with me in hell :) I win either way.





GLP