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I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet

 
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08/20/2012 04:42 AM
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If Iran really do have that Gravmag tech that the Keshe Foundation say they developed, no attack is going to work against Iran.

Iran did manage to capture a US drone last year without so much as a scratch on it (and without hacking they say), it's possible that they really do have that tech.

This war could be interesting to say the least. It could also explain why the USA and Israel haven't actually declared war already.
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They were assisted by the Chinese on that.
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Nope, China have shown interest in any developments that arise due to Iran's attempts at reverse engineering the drone's stealth tech and such, but it was Iran themselves that downed the drone, perfectly intact.
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That is not what some Iranians say...
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08/20/2012 05:08 AM
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Sorry pal, I do not like it but the combined armed forces of IDF and USA are unsurpassed. If attack is going to bve executed Iran will not stand a chance.

The can will be open though and different warfare will commence after this war then will bleed both parties at citizen level...iow: terrorist attacks.
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08/20/2012 05:36 AM
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Op has bad case of mouth diarrhea. Why has this thread gone on for this long? This dick doesn't know jack shit about this countries "or Irans for that matter" current military capabilities. This fool is just yappin away to annoy everyone. How stupid can one person be to come to this conclusion from a single war game that took place a decade ago, or on a single man's opinion on said game? So why dontcha put a sock in it eh! You don't know what you are talking aboot mate.
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08/20/2012 05:53 AM
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The scenario in "77 days in September" by Ray Gorham is based on a single and relatively light-weight blast from an anonymously launched single nuclear tipped missile over the USA homeland from a September 2, 2008 article in the Washington Times titled "Invisible Nuclear Threat"

The article was written by Dr. William R. Graham, Chairman of The Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack is what lays behind the reason that have bored certain GLPers to the bone and explains the ongoing delay in doing what Bibi wants from USA regarding his objectives.

I know that Bibi will eventually get what he wants but one thing that apparently not considered in the $250,000.000 war game back in 2002 was that other countries might be against the attempted demolition of Iran.

I wonder if the recent undetected submarine in the GoM and the previous launch south off CA. USA are connected.
Wait for it...and remember: Madness (not the common american meaning of the word) is real and it is contagious. If you remember this, you can avoid getting too much contamination
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08/20/2012 05:57 AM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
So what if they did? The US does not even have to invade. The US will order France & Britain in... They will handle it.
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08/20/2012 11:28 AM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
because Millenium Challenge 2002 says so

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

US for the very first time will be defeated by the Persian army and it would be an embarrassment for the Americans
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Yet one more asshole Canadian betting AGAINST the US, their neighbor, and hoping the US loses

You have no idea how much I have come to LOATHE Canada and the nasty self-impressed, holier-than-thou, passive aggressive and yet so bland douchebags who live in that icebound tundra

I hate you guys. I really do. I am so tired of reading your anti-american bullshit, your non-stop bashing of the American people (not just our goverment), your gloating over any little downturn we experience

Americans have never been as unkind, as rude or plain vicious towards Canadians as you are on a daily basis

The worst sin we ever committed is not know enough about your geography and your history. But we were nice to nearly every Canadian who came to spend time in Florida or elsehwere in the US

Meanwhile, Canadians are just plain nasty, and I make it my new policy to return in kind to any visiting Canadian I find on my way

Your words and actions have spoken volumes and if Canada were ever in trouble, I wouldn't even cross the street to raise a nickel for you

Assholes x 100

Go fuck yourselves
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Dont group all of us Canucks with the mental midget OP..
Im on your side
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08/20/2012 01:59 PM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
Op has bad case of mouth diarrhea. Why has this thread gone on for this long? This dick doesn't know jack shit about this countries "or Irans for that matter" current military capabilities. This fool is just yappin away to annoy everyone. How stupid can one person be to come to this conclusion from a single war game that took place a decade ago, or on a single man's opinion on said game? So why dontcha put a sock in it eh! You don't know what you are talking aboot mate.
 Quoting: DaNose


Look, I agree with you, but this is an important issue we are talking about.

Never EVER underestimate an opponent.
Can we punch Iran in the mouth? Sure. Maybe even a knockout.
But everything depends our what our objectives are.
A ground campaign is not a good idea right now IMO.

Also pay attention to other flare-ups around the world that the mass media is barely talking about. We have Kim Yung Un in N. Korea getting ready to fire off rockets. We have China flexing their muscle against their neighbors, some of which are NATO allies like Japan and Taiwan. We are having strikes against our soldiers in the countries we are already in...

I think that all politics aside... That we need a majority of our military at home here in America right now, Which means no more deployments of the remaining forces that are here.

I think this whole war is a bad idea. How does America benefit from this war? The Iranian people dont want this war either. Global politics are at play, and I am getting really confused right now.

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David Fap

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08/20/2012 03:23 PM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
Look, people seem to think that Iran has some secret Russian missiles that will give it some massive edge. Whatever Iran does possess, has been thoroughly studied and wargamed and many options exist to neautralize these missiles. Carriers, specifically, are DESIGNED to take several MISSILE and TORPEDO hits, and then put out fires with the best damage control crews on earth. Sorry, short of an actual Russian nuclear torpedo or nuclear cruise missile- those carriers arent going down. Even if there was a nuclear warhead used, it would have to be extremely close to sink the carrier- study post WW2 test results when they nuked a whole bunch of retired ships- the results were surprisingly dissapointing. Before an enemy misile gets close, it would have to get through a gauntlet of electronic jamming and anti-missile missiles. Good luck.
Even the Brits dropped an Iraqi much vaunted Sunburn in the first gulf war with a 20mm phalanx. The only reason that Israeli shipped got whacked with a Chinese missile was that the CWIS was turned off and crew got caught with their pants down. The missiles were such low quality that the one that did hit didnt even detonate and the other one veered off wildly and nailed a merchant ship. I doubt Russian export tech level missiles would do better than that. Those so called swarming Iranian fastboats would be literally shredded by 5 inch deck guns airbursting over the fastboats and simply turning them into a flash of plywood and fiberglass chunks, and if they get past that, there are sailors manning 30mm bushmasters to further shred them. Should the fastboats get past that, there are more sailors with single and dual .50 cals. Should they get past that, there are sailors with .30 cal beltfeds everywhere. Even mines wont do much more than a few inconvenient holes that will be isolated with watertight compartments. Sorry, again the carrier isnt going down. The ONLY WAY to make a carrier go away is to QUIT BEING WORLD CLASS DOUCHEBAGS and COCKSUCKER GENOCIDAL DICTATORS. Be nice to your people and dont threaten the neighbors and you wont have a carrier come near.
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08/21/2012 03:12 PM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
If Iran really do have that Gravmag tech that the Keshe Foundation say they developed, no attack is going to work against Iran.

Iran did manage to capture a US drone last year without so much as a scratch on it (and without hacking they say), it's possible that they really do have that tech.

This war could be interesting to say the least. It could also explain why the USA and Israel haven't actually declared war already.
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They were assisted by the Chinese on that.
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YUP ! 'sarcasm off'
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08/21/2012 03:21 PM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
Op has bad case of mouth diarrhea. Why has this thread gone on for this long? This dick doesn't know jack shit about this countries "or Irans for that matter" current military capabilities. This fool is just yappin away to annoy everyone. How stupid can one person be to come to this conclusion from a single war game that took place a decade ago, or on a single man's opinion on said game? So why dontcha put a sock in it eh! You don't know what you are talking aboot mate.
 Quoting: DaNose


We don't say mate here in Canada dumb ass...that's Australian

but thank you though...you've just proved my point on how undereducated you americans are
now put a sock in it, and face reality...Iran is not weak and with the use of assymetric warfare they could really obliterate you especially with their domestic made modern weapons...it's all about strategy boy, if you can't finish off bunch of sandis in Afghanistan, and Israel couldn't finished off 2000 army in Lebanon, then how the fuck are you going to face Iran when they were the ones who trained the Hezb....

hey Good Luck bra...you'll going to need it...btw don't be an armchair hero, go sign up to go to war, then come talk shit
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08/21/2012 03:47 PM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
Op has bad case of mouth diarrhea. Why has this thread gone on for this long? This dick doesn't know jack shit about this countries "or Irans for that matter" current military capabilities. This fool is just yappin away to annoy everyone. How stupid can one person be to come to this conclusion from a single war game that took place a decade ago, or on a single man's opinion on said game? So why dontcha put a sock in it eh! You don't know what you are talking aboot mate.
 Quoting: DaNose


Look, I agree with you, but this is an important issue we are talking about.

Never EVER underestimate an opponent.
Can we punch Iran in the mouth? Sure. Maybe even a knockout.
But everything depends our what our objectives are.
A ground campaign is not a good idea right now IMO.

Also pay attention to other flare-ups around the world that the mass media is barely talking about. We have Kim Yung Un in N. Korea getting ready to fire off rockets. We have China flexing their muscle against their neighbors, some of which are NATO allies like Japan and Taiwan. We are having strikes against our soldiers in the countries we are already in...

I think that all politics aside... That we need a majority of our military at home here in America right now, Which means no more deployments of the remaining forces that are here.

I think this whole war is a bad idea. How does America benefit from this war? The Iranian people dont want this war either. Global politics are at play, and I am getting really confused right now.

sheeplebah
 Quoting: chris999


it just makes me sick that any one who criticize America and give an opinion that their military will lose because of a wargame conducted by US itself, they accuse me as a hater... I hate that
I am not a hater of America, but America has lost its way and they are going to destroy themselves ... this is why history is very important..America is starting to show the same characteristics and actions as during the collapse of the Roman Empire
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08/21/2012 03:48 PM
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08/21/2012 07:14 PM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
Op has bad case of mouth diarrhea. Why has this thread gone on for this long? This dick doesn't know jack shit about this countries "or Irans for that matter" current military capabilities. This fool is just yappin away to annoy everyone. How stupid can one person be to come to this conclusion from a single war game that took place a decade ago, or on a single man's opinion on said game? So why dontcha put a sock in it eh! You don't know what you are talking aboot mate.
 Quoting: DaNose


Look, I agree with you, but this is an important issue we are talking about.

Never EVER underestimate an opponent.
Can we punch Iran in the mouth? Sure. Maybe even a knockout.
But everything depends our what our objectives are.
A ground campaign is not a good idea right now IMO.

Also pay attention to other flare-ups around the world that the mass media is barely talking about. We have Kim Yung Un in N. Korea getting ready to fire off rockets. We have China flexing their muscle against their neighbors, some of which are NATO allies like Japan and Taiwan. We are having strikes against our soldiers in the countries we are already in...

I think that all politics aside... That we need a majority of our military at home here in America right now, Which means no more deployments of the remaining forces that are here.

I think this whole war is a bad idea. How does America benefit from this war? The Iranian people dont want this war either. Global politics are at play, and I am getting really confused right now.

sheeplebah
 Quoting: chris999


it just makes me sick that any one who criticize America and give an opinion that their military will lose because of a wargame conducted by US itself, they accuse me as a hater... I hate that
I am not a hater of America, but America has lost its way and they are going to destroy themselves ... this is why history is very important..America is starting to show the same characteristics and actions as during the collapse of the Roman Empire
 Quoting: moeskyhigh


Nothing wrong with predicting military defeat for America. It could happen. It has happened and is happening right now in Afghanistan. In fact the entire so called war on a tactic is proving to be a strategic defeat.



Numerous commentators have said this. And numerous 4th gen warfare theorists have said this as well.

America has lost it's way. A great many people agree with that, me included. America has been showing (not starting to show) the same characteristics as Rome for quite sometime now.


I would add that if the US military has substantially changed anything in a positive way as a result of the wargame in question it would surprise me very much.

A roman poet once said "the glories of rome are as stars in the sky". Ten years later the barbarians sacked Rome.

Speaking truth in an empire of lies is patriotism.

Last Edited by s. d. butler on 08/21/2012 07:18 PM
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Re: I'm most definitely sure Iran will beat the US Navy fifth fleet
famous qoute from the ealier SECDEF...



Last Edited by CrazyBud on 08/21/2012 08:50 PM
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