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What stagnates 911 Truth - A Reply to Ryan Dawson

 
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In the video he states that the fact people still believe that no plane hit the Pentagon is a major stumbling block to "genuine" 9/11 truth. This video really only draws two conclusions for me, he's either ignorant or complete bought and paid for.


As with many aspects of 9/11, all we need to do is look at the physical impossibilities. I don't and never would claim to know exactly how things took place, and exactly who was behind the wheel that day - but what I do know, is the official story is physically impossible.


In 1988 Sandia Labs flew an F4 phantom at 480mph into a steel re-enforced concrete block. The total penetration was approximately THREE INCHES.

Now, over the years many 9/11 debunkers have sighted this test as proof that planes really can vaporize, as the jet appears to do just that in the test. But, people fail to understand a key difference between this test, and the real world, that being rate of travel.


Anyone who believes, regurgitates or preaches that the "planes used" (sic) on 9/11 were traveling anywhere near 500 mph is ignorant, or paid for. These are their cruising speeds at 30-40,000 feet NOT at sea level. Air is much thicker at sea level and thus these speeds CAN NOT be reached by commercial airliners. Traveling at these speeds would blow the plane apart at this altitude.


SO, to review:

1. The planes could not have been traveling at the rate of speed shown in the test, which would make it harder to "vaporize" the plane, and reduce it's penetration. Keep in mind, total penetration was roughly 3 inches at 480 miles per hour.

2. Some how the "plane" (sic) that hit the Pentagon went through every single steel reinforced wall producing an "exit-wound" in the court yard. This is physically impossible.

3. After completing near impossible air acrobatics, it would have been impossible for the jet to have been flown that close to the ground to get that perfect hit on the Pentagon.


It also goes without saying that this was the ONLY wedge (of 5) that had undergone a decades long renovation and reinforcement to withstand such an attack. The renovations ironically were "completed" on September 11th. That wedge also happened to house the accounting department that sustained the highest loss of life during the incident.

A commercial airliner did not hit the Pentagon.
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Re: What stagnates 911 Truth - A Reply to Ryan Dawson
[link to pilotsfor911truth.org]

06/22/2010 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) Recently Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the speeds reported for the aircraft utilized on 9/11. Numerous aviation experts have voiced their concerns regarding the extremely excessive speeds reported above Maximum Operating for the 757 and 767, particularly, United and American Airlines 757/767 Captains who have actual flight time in all 4 aircraft reportedly used on 9/11. These experts state the speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. Combined with the fact the airplane which was reported to strike the south tower of the World Trade Center was also producing high G Loading while turning and pulling out from a dive, the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.

Co-Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Rob Balsamo recently interviewed a former NASA Flight Director in charge of flight control systems at the NASA Dryden Flight Research facility who is also speaking out after viewing the latest presentation by Pilots For 9/11 Truth - "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Retired NASA Senior Executive Dwain Deets published his concerns on the matter at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as follows:


A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?

The above entry remained at the moderated AIAA Aerospace America Forum for approximately two weeks before being removed without explanation. Click "Who is Ethically Responsible" submitted by Dwain Deets at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum for discussion on this entry at AIAA.

Dwain Deets credentials and experience are as follows:

Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career

It is established based on corroborated expert statements, raw data, and precedent, that the extremely excessive speed reported for the 9/11 aircraft is truly the "Elephant In The Room" and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

For summary of speed analysis, please see article 9/11: Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed.

To view the scene from "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" analyzing the reported speeds in more detail, please click here.

For full detailed analysis covering the events which took place in New York City on September 11, 2001, interviews with experts, including analysis of "Hijacker" pilot skill, Black Box recovery and more... please view the latest presentation from Pilots For 9/11 Truth, "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has also analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack and the events in Shanksville, PA. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

[link to pilotsfor911truth.org] for full member list.

[link to pilotsfor911truth.org] to join.

Comments? Click here for discussion.

Follow-up recorded interview - 06/30/10
[link to pilotsfor911truth.org]
10mb download, approx 22 mins runtime.

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Re: What stagnates 911 Truth - A Reply to Ryan Dawson
He's just an idiot.
Took me about 3 to 4 minutes to realise it.

He's distorting the whole 9/11 picture even more adding his stupidities to the world wide web.

And it boils down to bashing of Fetzer & Wood which have better conclusions then all the interwebs 9/11 consp. altogether.
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Re: What stagnates 911 Truth - A Reply to Ryan Dawson
THERE ARE A SEQUENCE OF GROOS ERRORS MADE BY MOST "TRUTHERS"

For this reason, they hit a brick wall.

ERROR ONE - This crime is so big that it is beyond normal criminology. This is, of course, nonsense which they share with the "OFFICIAL STORY" folk. It is like saying that the Sun is too big to obey the laws of gravity and normal mechanics. In actuality, if ordinary criminology of MEANS, MOTIVE AND OPPORTUNITY is applied, it quickly becomes obvious who was behind it.

ERROR TWO - If it wasn't Al Qaeda, it must have been the US Government. This is BS! Does everyone else in the world live in a mud hut, struggling to make fire by rubbing sticks together? There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER why ONLY Al Qaeda or the US Government must have been to blame.

ERROR THREE - All those who did 9/11 must have been utter traitors, yet the "Truthers" also claim that they were all patriotic enough to use ONLY US Personnel and US equipment. THis makes NO SENSE WHATSOSEVER. If someone is doing a crime, certainly one that might send them to the electric chair, then they will use whatever means possible.

ERROR FOUR - No discussion about MOTIVE is necessary as it is obvious. Just like the towers being knocked down by planes flying into them? THis is UTTER BUNK. Of course motive needs to be examined and is NOT OBVIOUS.

ERROR FIVE - Rich people behind 9/11 are driven by identical motives as the rest of us, primarily greed. UTTER BUNK! If a homeless man is offered $1million to kill someone, he will certainly consider it, but if someone is worth $30billion already, they are hardly likely to consider risking a trip to the electric chair for "chump change" which is all that $1million would seem to them.

ERROR SIX - The jet fighters dispatched to Whiskey 386 area in the Atlantic Ocean could only have been sent there for two reasons, firstly as a mistake or secondly to get them conveniently out the way. This is utter bunk which "Truthers' share with the "Official Story" crowd. It is a GROSS false assumption. In actuality, there is a third possible reason which no-one will ever consider and that is that the jet fighters were CORRECTLY dispatched to the Mid Atlantic as this was where the attack had eminated from.

ERROR SEVEN - SHouting "SHILL, shill, shill" dispenses any and ALL criticism of 9/11 Truther reasoning. This is just a sad parody of the Official Story crowd.
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Re: What stagnates 911 Truth - A Reply to Ryan Dawson
1. The plane very much disintegrated much like in the test you talk about.

2. Unlike the wall of reinforced concrete that was used in the test, the pentagon has windows and pretty much all that went into the building was the landing gear which punched through ring C along with engines.

3. All the CCTV footage was confiscated most likely to hide evidence of secondary explosions.

4. Many witnesses saw a plane.

Recap:

We have plane parts, witnesses who saw the plane, recovery of all the registered passengers DNA, flight path data. We have evidence of a plane. You have evidence of a missile? No. There is no evidence of a missile. Most likely secondary explosions occurred judging by the hurried reaction by the FBI to confiscate all CCTV recordings.

This is what Ryan is talking about, stop being led down paths that don't lead to anywhere. Stick to the verifiable evidence.
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Re: What stagnates 911 Truth - A Reply to Ryan Dawson
9/11 certainly isn't "stagnated" it is festering like an open wound. It takes time but sooner or later you have to clean the wound or the game is up.

Festering not stagnating.

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