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AGAIN new orders from DHS : 165 million rounds of 223 and pepper spray

 
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Is it depleted ur? damned
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the 62 grain is the ss109 armor piercing bullet, steel core. Why they need armor piercing is something someone should ask them
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What goes around, comes around. You guys in the U.S are really fucked, lol.
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yep, you are correct. just a matter of time till it all kicks off......
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the military will allow this to be used against US people?
where they will be?
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Or not. Just brainwashing.
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Hmmm, interesting they are buying .223 and not 5.56. It could be they don't have any standardized gear and have been equipping themselves with what ever they can find. If an AR15 is chambered in the 5.56 they can fire both 5.56 and .223. But if it is chambered in the .223 it could damage the gun if you fire 5.56 from it.

This ammo purchase means several things:
1) They use .223 in at least some of their guns which means they are probably just buying what ever is available rather then standardizing their gear.
Or They are buying .223 chambered guns, why i don't know.
2) The .223 is cheaper so they are looking at their pocket book right now.
3) Or these really are for target practice. Why use expensive rounds at the range when .223 would work for paper.

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ya, unfortunately 556 and 223 have been lumped into the same category all too often.

seems like any rifle with a detachable box magazine is chambered in 556, except maybe the rugar mini 14. bolt guns are mostly 223 as that is the hunting round version.

it could be that some .gov stooge doesnt really know the difference between the 2 calibers when they placed the order.

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Could it be they will nationalize the sale of guns and ammo only through the government?
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They could close the ``gunshow loophole``...
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there is no gunshow loophole

private sales by non dealers are legal. except it would seem where they gather. Dont be a simp
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Brazil 08/21/2012 11:58 AM,
Is that a reference to fema camps? I agree. But I also say they are scared. Why would you stock up on ammo, it ain't for yon kippur.
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You still do not understand.

They are not buying for them. They're stocking up for you. You will use these munitions against the siege. This is why the caliber of the bullets are not standardized.

They are not planning to attack. They are planning to support. The FEMA camps and couffins are a low profile preparation for "War Relocation Camps", like used on WW2.
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Ah, thank you. That is fresh and makes sense. I read the tank convoy in California is to thwart any untoward movement on the Mexican border, a manoeuver for the forces of good. I hope you are right.
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FEMA camps ammo bitchez!! banana2
At least we know already what ammo our guards are gonna use.
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Is it depleted ur? damned
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the 62 grain is the ss109 armor piercing bullet, steel core. Why they need armor piercing is something someone should ask them
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ss109 green tip is tungsten tipped perpetrator, still a lead core though.

not really AP in the traditional sense. that would be the M995 black tip 52gr with large steel core.

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show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
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Fucking government parasite.
You are part of the problem, asshole.
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Is it depleted ur? damned
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the 62 grain is the ss109 armor piercing bullet, steel core. Why they need armor piercing is something someone should ask them
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No, you are wrong. The .223 Remington and 5.56 can both come in 62 grain bullets! They are not the same.
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"5.56×45mm NATO (official NATO nomenclature 5.56 NATO) is a rifle cartridge developed in the United States and originally chambered in the M16 rifle. Under STANAG 4172, it is a standard cartridge for NATO forces as well as many non-NATO countries.[2] It is derived from, but not identical to, the .223 Remington cartridge."

The difference is the 5.56 produces higher pressure and imparts greater energy on the target then the .223.
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The government must think we are completely stupid.

First, we should recognize that the government is motivated by sociopathic individuals that could give a rat's ass for any one of us individually. That's just the way it is, plan and act accordingly.

Second, the various preparations undertaken quietly, such as FEMA camps preparations, purchases of food, hardened equipment being distributed around the country in strategic locations, indicates that there is a plan in operation that anticipates some very major events taking place. Were I a sociopathic government leader/planner, I would leave the ammunition/arms acquisition to near the endgame time, because that is certainly indicative of the need to project deadly force. That means a foe that is either aggressive, or desperate.

Surveillance is increased in depth and breadth. Over the air, through the wires.

Factions of the population that will not willingly transport themselves or report to a FEMA camp are being labelled, identified, and demonized. Example: veterans. It is especially important to "sequester" veterans, who have been trained, conditioned to accept hardships, and combat hardened. Veterans are unlikely to yield without a fight.

Financial collapse preparations are being made as well.

It is very apparent to me that societal collapse instigated by a financial system collapse is on our near horizon. They know it, but dare not show that they know it. But they know that many of us know it. They want to know who we are, and where we are, so we can be dealt with.

Their plan is predicated on having dutiful minions that are willing to pull the trigger on their fellow citizens.

If a society exists that provides sufficient numbers of such people, then I want no part of it. Life is more or less over. There is nothing to lose. Key phrase that: nothing to lose.

I believe they are wrong in their assumption that their goons will point their guns in the direction they wish.

Just my opinion, and thoughts for a work of fiction I am contemplating. It is a futuristic science fiction novel - the plot of which is that a core group of bankers use fiat currencies as a headlock and stranglehold on the political and media classes, while they inflate a debt bubble that is impossible to sustain, robbing the population all the while of their accumulated AND FUTURE wealth. This group leverages their puppets in government to turn against the population once the wealth has been plundered and the debt bubble allowed to explode. The population rises against these evil oligarchs, finds them, and at first retards their plan, but ultimately, triumphs over greed, pride, and sociopathy. Some of the heros in the novel see it all coming, and prepare, both themselves, and survival assets. They are dedicated, motivated, cunning, and courageous once they realize that they face a choice of life, under certain servitude, or death in an attempt to live as free individuals on the face of good planet Earth.
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ARUBA?!

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keep rowing braahs!

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What if they know China is going to cash in on our huge debt and take our country as payment. Is that really that far out of the box? I don't know if its for Marshall law or for foreign invasion but that's what I conclude. They aren't buying this for shots and giggles. Time to start connecting the dots. I read on another thread that a trucker just ran a shipment of boots piled high. Also huge orders of meal rations. They are preforming a lot of homeland drills. What else can be added to this list? Does this have to do with the federal reserve and money collapsing. Does it have to do with a major earth catasrophe we are in the dark about? If this was to help the citizens why aren't they training us. So I don't think its for us. Anyone have info on large orders of temp shelter,blankets, medicine,.? Somethings not right and I don't like the idea of our citizens paying out of our tax dollars all this ammo which could be used against usp
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Is it depleted ur? damned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21374333


the 62 grain is the ss109 armor piercing bullet, steel core. Why they need armor piercing is something someone should ask them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2228679



ss109 green tip is tungsten tipped perpetrator, still a lead core though.

not really AP in the traditional sense. that would be the M995 black tip 52gr with large steel core.

[link to beta.ar15.com]
 Quoting: krinkfan


Green tip is M855. A standard steel perpetrator.
Black is AP.
Red tip is tracer.
Unpainted is for unarmored targets.
[link to www.armystudyguide.com]
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The more you know...
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Freeman, I like but I also like to keep an open mind. These rounds won't fit an M16. I think it is finally time for a 'game changer', I think it is finally imminent, something is going to happen. That is why this was posted, we still don't know who is doing this, and thanks to all the intelligent replies. Maybe it is an altruistic force who is preventing us from arming ourselves in the event of such a transistion.
I don't know if I should plug fulford but his posts are getting better. This is some serious stuff.

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show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
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bsflag
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Hmmm, interesting they are buying .223 and not 5.56. It could be they don't have any standardized gear and have been equipping themselves with what ever they can find. If an AR15 is chambered in the 5.56 they can fire both 5.56 and .223. But if it is chambered in the .223 it could damage the gun if you fire 5.56 from it.

This ammo purchase means several things:
1) They use .223 in at least some of their guns which means they are probably just buying what ever is available rather then standardizing their gear.
Or They are buying .223 chambered guns, why i don't know.
2) The .223 is cheaper so they are looking at their pocket book right now.
3) Or these really are for target practice. Why use expensive rounds at the range when .223 would work for paper.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Snickrot


ya, unfortunately 556 and 223 have been lumped into the same category all too often.

seems like any rifle with a detachable box magazine is chambered in 556, except maybe the rugar mini 14. bolt guns are mostly 223 as that is the hunting round version.

it could be that some .gov stooge doesnt really know the difference between the 2 calibers when they placed the order.
 Quoting: krinkfan


Thank you!! + karma for you. I was beginning to think i was talking to a wall.
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Freeman, I like but I also like to keep an open mind. These rounds won't fit an M16. I think it is finally time for a 'game changer', I think it is finally imminent, something is going to happen. That is why this was posted, we still don't know who is doing this, and thanks to all the intelligent replies. Maybe it is an altruistic force who is preventing us from arming ourselves in the event of such a transistion.
I don't know if I should plug fulford but his posts are getting better. This is some serious stuff.

[link to src-fla.us]
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bsflag>223 and 5.56 mm Nato are the same people.I know.
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Freeman, I like but I also like to keep an open mind. These rounds won't fit an M16. I think it is finally time for a 'game changer', I think it is finally imminent, something is going to happen. That is why this was posted, we still don't know who is doing this, and thanks to all the intelligent replies. Maybe it is an altruistic force who is preventing us from arming ourselves in the event of such a transistion.
I don't know if I should plug fulford but his posts are getting better. This is some serious stuff.

[link to src-fla.us]
 Quoting: Overworked Asshole


bsflag>223 and 5.56 mm Nato are the same people.I know.
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They look the same on the outside but are not the same. You can fire .223 from an M16 (they are chambered in 5.56), but the 5.56 has higher pressures.
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Freeman, I like but I also like to keep an open mind. These rounds won't fit an M16. I think it is finally time for a 'game changer', I think it is finally imminent, something is going to happen. That is why this was posted, we still don't know who is doing this, and thanks to all the intelligent replies. Maybe it is an altruistic force who is preventing us from arming ourselves in the event of such a transistion.
I don't know if I should plug fulford but his posts are getting better. This is some serious stuff.

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bsflag>223 and 5.56 mm Nato are the same people.I know.
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No they are not. If they were the same they would use the same name. Read, it's been posted.
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Freeman, I like but I also like to keep an open mind. These rounds won't fit an M16. I think it is finally time for a 'game changer', I think it is finally imminent, something is going to happen. That is why this was posted, we still don't know who is doing this, and thanks to all the intelligent replies. Maybe it is an altruistic force who is preventing us from arming ourselves in the event of such a transistion.
I don't know if I should plug fulford but his posts are getting better. This is some serious stuff.

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These rounds will definitely fit in a m16. used them in one last week. fyi
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Here is a General commenting on this. Nice contrast to our work.
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Read the contract properly you fool.

"The guaranteed minimum of any contract awarded is 10,000 rounds and is applicable to the base year only."

There isnt an actual order for 165 mill you numpty, its an estimate. This is atndard procedure in a contract that if needed in time of war that they are capable of supplying the higher amount.

This is standard across any civi - military arms contract.

It clearly states in what you linked "Minimum and Maximum Tresholds", and you even spelt that wrong buddy.

Get educated on a subject before you post it in future.aaaa
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Assclown... In war time the burden of purchasing ammo does not fall on DHS
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Freeman, I like but I also like to keep an open mind. These rounds won't fit an M16. I think it is finally time for a 'game changer', I think it is finally imminent, something is going to happen. That is why this was posted, we still don't know who is doing this, and thanks to all the intelligent replies. Maybe it is an altruistic force who is preventing us from arming ourselves in the event of such a transistion.
I don't know if I should plug fulford but his posts are getting better. This is some serious stuff.

[link to src-fla.us]
 Quoting: Overworked Asshole


bsflag>223 and 5.56 mm Nato are the same people.I know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54326


They look the same on the outside but are not the same. You can fire .223 from an M16 (they are chambered in 5.56), but the 5.56 has higher pressures.
 Quoting: Snickrot


You are correct sir,also have used 5.56 in my .223 mini 14 for years without a problem, Ruger designed them to shoot surplus ammo.

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Read the contract properly you fool.

"The guaranteed minimum of any contract awarded is 10,000 rounds and is applicable to the base year only."

There isnt an actual order for 165 mill you numpty, its an estimate. This is atndard procedure in a contract that if needed in time of war that they are capable of supplying the higher amount.

This is standard across any civi - military arms contract.

It clearly states in what you linked "Minimum and Maximum Tresholds", and you even spelt that wrong buddy.

Get educated on a subject before you post it in future.aaaa
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Assclown... In war time the burden of purchasing ammo does not fall on DHS
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Wow!! Brit AC is criticizing spelling????
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Is it depleted ur? damned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21374333


the 62 grain is the ss109 armor piercing bullet, steel core. Why they need armor piercing is something someone should ask them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2228679



ss109 green tip is tungsten tipped perpetrator, still a lead core though.

not really AP in the traditional sense. that would be the M995 black tip 52gr with large steel core.

[link to beta.ar15.com]
 Quoting: krinkfan


Green tip is M855. A standard steel perpetrator.
Black is AP.
Red tip is tracer.
Unpainted is for unarmored targets.
[link to www.armystudyguide.com]
[link to www.thegunzone.com]
[link to www.biggerhammer.net]
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]
The more you know...
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thanks for correcting me. i know better and spaced that detail out. cool2
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People who don't have first-hand experience with 223/5.56 shouldn't speculate on their use. 223 will operate fine in a 5.56 chambered rifle. However, 5.56 should not be used in a 223 chambered rifle. It's as simple as that.

As far as the gov ordering 223; many of the ammo manufacturers make soft-point / hollow point law enforcement ammo in 223. They probably do this to avoid lawsuits from gov agencies that might screw-up and use 5.56 in 223 rifles (not all AR's and other law enforcement rifles are chambered in 5.56, many are chambered in 223).

They are not purchasing 223 to save money. Most of the law enforcement 223 ammo is much more expensive than military M193 or M855. The big ammo manufacturers simply make LE ammo in 223.
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What goes around, comes around. You guys in the U.S are really fucked, lol.
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what goes around comes around?
oh right, so the US citizens really deserve this.
we are the ones who got ours selves into this mess, right?
we are the ones that this ammo will be expelled on.

its not a "LOL" moment. your country is next, 'mate'.

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