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AGAIN new orders from DHS : 165 million rounds of 223 and pepper spray

 
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You got their job done in Iraq & Afghanistan, now you've exceeded your usefulness and that's why they plan to get bullets into you. Simple really...
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Brazil 08/21/2012 11:58 AM,
Is that a reference to fema camps? I agree. But I also say they are scared. Why would you stock up on ammo, it ain't for yon kippur.
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You still do not understand.

They are not buying for them. They're stocking up for you. You will use these munitions against the siege. This is why the caliber of the bullets are not standardized.

They are not planning to attack. They are planning to support. The FEMA camps and couffins are a low profile preparation for "War Relocation Camps", like used on WW2.
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Ah, thank you. That is fresh and makes sense. I read the tank convoy in California is to thwart any untoward movement on the Mexican border, a manoeuver for the forces of good. I hope you are right.
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totally wrong. here is the real deal.

In 2007, the Sentinel Management Group (SMG) collapsed, leaving many customer segregated funds lost after they had been used as collateral. After a plethora of lawsuits and creditor claims, a decision earlier this month in the 7th Circuit Court placed the banking cartels ahead of customer claims for funds returned. Essentially, the Bank of New York Mellon (BNYM) sued to be first in line for return on stolen customer account monies – and won the right by the US court system.

In the mainstream media (MSM), the SMG collapse and subsequent ruling in favor of BNYM was touted as a difficulty “for customers to recoup money lost”.

SMG, a Chicago-based futures broker, had stolen more than $500 million in segregated customer funds to use as collateral on a loan to BNYM for in-house proprietary trading operations. Their books were audited by the National Futures Association (NFA), however the NFA admitted that they could not understand the convoluted mess they were provided by SMG to sign off on. And yet they did; and approved the audit.

BNYM sued SMG to re-coup any monies owed to them. However, these monies were customer segregated funds that SMG stole and re-hypothecated.

In federal court, John D. Tinder, US Circuit Court Judge ruled “that Sentinel failed to keep client funds properly segregated is not, on its own, sufficient to rule as a matter of law that Sentinel acted ‘with actual intent to hinder, delay, or defraud’ its customers.”

This means that once a banking customer deposits their money into an account with a bank, the funds become property of the bank. The customer, at the point of deposit, relinquishes all rights to that money regardless of any laws in place, legal assurances, claims or guarantees; and this extends from investments to private checking accounts.

Once the bank has physical possession of your money, they own it and can use it for any means they deem fit. The veil has been lifted on separation of customer and bank funds. They are now legally co-mingled.

The bank could use it as collateral (as SMG did), to pay off debts, or place it on the stock market to bump up their trading with extra cash. And in the event that the customer allocated funds are lost, the bank does not owe the customer the money back.

Essentially, once you deposit money in your bank account it is gone.

Fred Grede, SMG trustee remarked: “I don’t think that’s what the Commodity Futures Trading Commission had in mind. It does not bode well for the protection of customer funds.”

The MF Global (MFG) scandal rocked the investment world because Jon Corzine, chief executive officer of MF Global, instructed the transfer of $200 million from their customer segregated funds to cover the corporation’s overdraft account with JP Morgan Chase.

Corzine emailed this order just three days before the official collapse of MFG. At the same time Corzine was moving customer money, this missing $6.3 billion dollars were used on bets on European indebted nations. As those European nation’s credit ratings plummeted, JP Morgan profited financially.

Our financial institutions have been planning for a financial collapse wherein the US government will not offer assistance. The resolution plans required by the Federal Reserve Bank, described schemes to have the major domestic banks remain afloat by selling off assets, finding alternative sources of funding, reducing risky measures that make a quick buck. These strategies were to be perfected with “no assumption of extraordinary support from the public sector.”

By selling “non-core assets” without upsetting shareholders while protecting the monetary system, taxpayers and creditors is the work of the mega-banks who have contributed solely to the destruction of the global financial markets. Bank of America (BoA) and Citibank have already begun to liquidate some of their assets – an action a bank takes when they are insolvent.

Both mega-banks and credit unions have been silently altering their deposit/withdrawal policies to deter customers from emptying out their accounts.

Because the digital record of monies is greater than the physical cash held by banks, this is a scheme to stave off a “run on the banks”.

With the Patriot Act , signed in 2001 by former President George W. Bush, and extended in 2011 by President Obama states that all banks must record all banking transactions with photo ID and fingerprints that will then be sent to an FBI database wherein all banking information tied to each individual on file can be traced for future reference.

Of recent, when withdrawing cash from an ATM, the daily allotted amount has decreased with some banks, thereby forcing the customer to go into the branch and extract the difference with a teller. At this point, according to anonymous informants, the customer is taken into a backroom to be questioned as to why they want the cash, what they are purchasing with the cash, why they are not choosing to use a debit card or another form of digital trade to make the purchase. These questions are not only intrusive, they are illegal.

Some anonymous sources have said that banking representatives who conduct the integrations are directed to keep a record of customer responses on an online application that will be sent to the FBI in conjunction with Patriot Act mandates on tracking banking activity.

While American citizens sit on the fence about whether or not they even subscribe to a banking collapse in the US, globalists like George Soros are investing heavily in gold.

Soros recently “unloaded over one million shares of stock in financial companies and banks that include Citigroup (420,000 shares), JP Morgan (701,400 shares) and Goldman Sachs (120,000 shares). The total value of the stock sales amounts to nearly $50 million” and then purchased 884,000 shares of Gold with SPDR Gold Trust.

The mega-banks, through Wall Street, are also acquiring firearms, ammunition and control over private mercenary corporations like DynCorp and ‘Blackwater” as authorized by the Department of Defense (DoD) directive 3025.18 .

DynCorp is a military-based private mercenary contractor that provides (among other services) intelligence training and support, international security, contingency plans and operations. Ninety-six percent of their funding is based on annual revenues from the US federal government. The international branch of DynCorp has operated as a “police force” even assisting local law enforcement during Hurricane Katrina.

Named as investors for the amassing of gun and ammunition manufacturers are Citibank, BoA, Barclays and Deutsche Bank who are pouring money into Cerebus and Veritas Equity who have taken over private corporations involved in the controlling riot situations.

The Federal Reserve Bank, one of the heads of banking cartels, has their own police force which operates as a protective security for the Fed against the American public. As part of the Federal Reserve Act signed in 1913, the designation of a Federal Law Enforcement – special police officers that are exclusively regulated by authority of the Fed (whether in uniform or plain clothes. These specialized police officers (who train with Special Response Teams) can work in tandem with local law enforcement or US federal agencies. These officers are heavily armed with semi-automatic pistols, sub machine guns and assault rifles as well as body armor.

Just this month, the Kaspersky Lab discovered Gauss, a banking surveillance virus believed to have the capability of stealing money out of customer’s bank accounts, as well as spying on banking transactions, stealing login information for social networks, email and instant messaging. So far, Middle Eastern banks have reported having been affected by Gauss – however both Citibank and Ebay’s Paypal have also been infected by this new viral threat to our banking systems.

It is clear that the financial collapse could be eminent. Banks are not only preparing with contingency plans, but also amassing a private police force for protection. With the legalization of stealing from customer secured funds, combined with a possible banking virus that could provide the perfect cover for an all-in-one banking holiday, the stage is being set for utter financial destination.

Once all customer funds were electronically transferred into off-shore accounts, the specialized police forces and hired mercenaries would be allocated forward to protect the technocrats from retaliation for their crimes.

The banking holiday will not come with flashing neon signs. Our warnings are right in front of us, if we choose to see them.
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You got their job done in Iraq & Afghanistan, now you've exceeded your usefulness and that's why they plan to get bullets into you. Simple really...
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Interesting observation......
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Anonymous Coward United States 08/21/2012 13:47
Well put. This makes the most sense plus it parallels Retired Major General Jerry Currys' comments. Let's see

>mandates on tracking banking activity, check
>Soros recently, unloaded over one million shares of stock, check
>The Federal Reserve Bank .. has their own police force, check
>banking 'holiday' via gauss virus, check

So the "Banks are .. amassing a private police force for protection." I have a problem being scared of a bunch of bowties and their silverspoon offspring. They can't take on 300 million Americans.
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Because they cant aim
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Not necessarily correct, they could be barrier rounds.

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One in the same.. penetrating, barrier penetrating, penetraters, potato... patato
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16136779


If your a shooter.......understand this, 223 or 5.56 Barrier rounds are far superior to any other loading including the green tip 5.56 "penetrater" loading's if engaging an individual through glass or car doors etc....... totally different animal. Apples and watermelons would be a better analogy.
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5.56X45 NATO, BVAC, 62 Grain OTMRP Penetrator Bullet, Lake City Brass, 20 Round Box, 2800 fps.

"Designed as a replacement for the M855 "green tip" round, this ammunition is VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL to cartridges currently being issued to Special Forces units fighting in Afghanistan. With a reverse drawn copper jacket giving it better penetrating capability; this "barrier blind" bullet has significantly less deflection when fired through light cover such as doors, windows, and thin walled structures. Designated as an Open Tip Match, Rear Penetrating (OTMRP) round, it has a heavier 62 grain bullet with an aerodynamic boat tail."
BTW "Apples and watermelons" are tasty, smartass! s226
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You just have shown your lack of comprehension...."Virtually Identical" in regards to velocity and "Ballistic Coefficient" meaning the boots on the ground will not have to re-zero their weapons in most cases and that their ACOG's will still be used the same as with the M855....The terminal effect on targets soft or barrier are however VASTLY different, Moran.
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Freeman, I like but I also like to keep an open mind. These rounds won't fit an M16. I think it is finally time for a 'game changer', I think it is finally imminent, something is going to happen. That is why this was posted, we still don't know who is doing this, and thanks to all the intelligent replies. Maybe it is an altruistic force who is preventing us from arming ourselves in the event of such a transistion.
I don't know if I should plug fulford but his posts are getting better. This is some serious stuff.

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bsflag>223 and 5.56 mm Nato are the same people.I know.
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They look the same on the outside but are not the same. You can fire .223 from an M16 (they are chambered in 5.56), but the 5.56 has higher pressures.
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We just can't hammer a square peg into a round hole that is too small brother. Too many egos!
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Lol i speak the truth and you still sit there in you paranoid bubble going lah lah lah.
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So, what is your explanation for the Weather Service purchase of ammunition? Shooting incoming tornadoes??
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Have you figures for them ?
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You are worse than that "local government" idiot! Why is this small ammo purchase so important to debunk when it is well known and widely accepted that nearly a billion rounds of ammunition was contracted out recently by other federal agencies?

What is your angle???
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As Jerry Maguire would say "Show Me The INVOICE"...u Fuck head!
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show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
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Yea, no fucking wonder nothing gets done; you solicit bids for shit have no intention of purchasing. That IS what you're saying, right?

And by "local government", you mean your'e the shit-shoveler on Mackinac Island.
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Nope...LOWEST BIDDER RULES punt in place by taxpayers like YOU....Can't have me making a informed decision and awarding the contract to the BEST candidate....NO, GOTTA GO WITH THE LOWEST BIDDER....GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
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Oh for fuck sakes. I guess you would not believe the person in front of you at McDonalds is ordering food until they have it in their hands.

What a retarded attempt you bring at saying this is nothing.
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you never been in line at any store and have the guy in front of you put shit back or just leave it on the counter and walk out???....IT IS A PROCUREMENT CONTRACT!!!....IT IS NOT AN ACTUAL PURCHASE DUMBASS, get the fuck over it!
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show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22344510


Are you really this thick? Is your mind trying to wrap around this purchase not being real so that you can toss out all of the evidence of the other purchases??? Really???


Is this some kind of emotional defense mechanism at work here?
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Your thick ass, its a bid contract read it props, standard min max output contract, jeesh some people are thick, they havnt even orderd the rounds you fuckwit.
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Facts are wasted on this site.
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at least this AC has some idea of what's up
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show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22344510


Oh for fuck sakes. I guess you would not believe the person in front of you at McDonalds is ordering food until they have it in their hands.

What a retarded attempt you bring at saying this is nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22352596


you never been in line at any store and have the guy in front of you put shit back or just leave it on the counter and walk out???....IT IS A PROCUREMENT CONTRACT!!!....IT IS NOT AN ACTUAL PURCHASE DUMBASS, get the fuck over it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22344510


Are you commission or salary to attempt to make something into nothing? Whichever the case, you fail miserably.
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Re: AGAIN new orders from DHS : 165 million rounds of 223 and pepper spray
show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22344510


Oh for fuck sakes. I guess you would not believe the person in front of you at McDonalds is ordering food until they have it in their hands.

What a retarded attempt you bring at saying this is nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22352596


you never been in line at any store and have the guy in front of you put shit back or just leave it on the counter and walk out???....IT IS A PROCUREMENT CONTRACT!!!....IT IS NOT AN ACTUAL PURCHASE DUMBASS, get the fuck over it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22344510


Are you commission or salary to attempt to make something into nothing? Whichever the case, you fail miserably.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22352596


You know what really gets me about your kind....you won't believe a thing that NASA says or Government Climate change scientist say..... always debunking and ridiculing everything they say or publish, but you will lap this blatant rubbish right up.....it boggles the mind I tell ya!
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it boggles the mind I tell ya!
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What boggles the mind is your persistence that "bid" is where the deal ceases, bid lead to purchase, why the fuck else would there be a bid.

You must be bucking for a raise.
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bump
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show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22344510


show me actual credentials that you are who you say you are.

then... I'll have the absolute evidence that you have no ****in idea what you are talking about.

get it?

i'm in local govt !? LOL so?

no one is here to prove anything to you...get a life
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show me actual purchase numbers....I'm in local gov and we "solicit" bids all the time and that's all this looks like to me....

until you can show me an invoice you got nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22344510


Oh for fuck sakes. I guess you would not believe the person in front of you at McDonalds is ordering food until they have it in their hands.

What a retarded attempt you bring at saying this is nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22352596


you never been in line at any store and have the guy in front of you put shit back or just leave it on the counter and walk out???....IT IS A PROCUREMENT CONTRACT!!!....IT IS NOT AN ACTUAL PURCHASE DUMBASS, get the fuck over it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22344510


PROCUREMENT CONTRACT IS TO PROCURE. TO BUY.
THE BID IS OUT THERE BECAUSE THE FUCKING GOVT IS ABOUT TO BUY AMMO.
THEY ARE ABOUT TO AWARD A CONTRACT.

GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

do you really think, for one minute that they are just soliciting bids for entertainment value?

their budgets are unlimited and they love to spend money...
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Did he finally give up? lol
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"Drake does not believe that the Govt. purchase orders for ammunition have been filled."
Another (hmmm) false flag op. People it is about to get real, how can we maintain composure. How can we become the responsible adults we want to be? Don't riot.

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Well since the DHS is saying the 1 Billion plus rounds of .40 cal hollow point death star ammo they've purchased are just for target practice, I wonder what the pepper spray is for? Children's parties?!?!?
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Back at you fool, it's all over soon & no thanks to your middle finger.
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