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Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."

 
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Damn strange, folks. Connect the dots.
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What makes it so strange? He enjoys astronomy. Nibiru/Planet X is a topic of interest within astronomy. I fail to see what's so hard for you to understand. Perhaps you're trying to connect the dots in the wrong order.
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Haha Why can I see it moving without a telescope? Fuck off with this co-intel bullshit...
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Haha Why can I see it moving without a telescope? Fuck off with this co-intel bullshit...
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Because the earth is rotating?
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Haha Why can I see it moving without a telescope? Fuck off with this co-intel bullshit...
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Because the earth is rotating?
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Because the earth is rotating?
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Haha Why can I see it moving without a telescope? Fuck off with this co-intel bullshit...
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Because the earth is rotating?
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Dr. Astro:

It is really obvious we need a thread that explores the basic of astrophysics. Some of the people on this thread aren't quite up to speed.

The topical facts that should be covered include:
1. The earth isn't flat.
2. The earth is round (more or less) and rotates on its axis once a day.
3. The earth revolves around the sun once a year.
...


Eventually you could work up to latitude and declination and the apparent path objects take through the sky. And that the solar system's baricenter is partway between the sun and Jupiter (and to a lesser extent Saturn).

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So according to this video that's been going viral lately, Jupiter is "off."


I compared the position of Jupiter in the SOHO images from the time periods covered by the above youtube video to the predicted position of Jupiter based on ephemeris that were originally generated in 1890 by George Hill. It's position is normal, even though I'm comparing it to data that originates over 120 years ago (in other words, no way it's part of some "NASA cover-up").

I didn't bother accounting for the position of SOHO in this case. I could squeeze a little more accuracy out of it if I did that, but I don't think it's necessary in this case (it would also require importing SOHO's orbital data uniquely for each observation epoch). It was enough work to convert and import the old ephemeris into modern software. Rather than try to modify the VSOP87 algorithms, I simply imported mean Keplerian elements for Jupiter at each observation epoch (derived from the original Hill data) into Celestia. ORSA was used to propagate the data to each observation epoch.

I made a gif animation showing the various comparisons. It starts with a simple 3 frame comparison similar to what the youtube video showed (one image from 2000, one from 2007, and one from 2012). I then compared this to the ephemeris data using celestia, registering each image based on the stars (effectively doing astrometry by hand). As you can see, Jupiter's where it should be in the image, even according to 19th century data.

[link to img705.imageshack.us]

I also did a direct measurement of Jupiter's position in a video you may have seen before, and indeed it's perfectly normal to within at least 1.69 arcseconds (far high resolution than what you can see in the SOHO images).


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Are you still dicking around with that Nibiru crap? If it's all fake, just move on already.
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you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?

shouldn't you be out spending time doing your doctoring of whatever it is that you are a doctor of today?

do doctors have so little to do in a work day that they get to sit in their offices all day, ignoring their super hot girlfriends while making internet videos debunking the same non-existent phenomenon over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.......

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you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?

shouldn't you be out spending time doing your doctoring of whatever it is that you are a doctor of today?

do doctors have so little to do in a work day that they get to sit in their offices all day, ignoring their super hot girlfriends while making internet videos debunking the same non-existent phenomenon over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.......

shill
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WTF do you care what he does with his time?

At least he brings some rational thinking and scientific facts to the table.
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Haha Why can I see it moving without a telescope? Fuck off with this co-intel bullshit...
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Because the earth is rotating?
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Rotating yes, but around what, big boy?

Sun?

Astro....hock.
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Re: Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."
you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?

shouldn't you be out spending time doing your doctoring of whatever it is that you are a doctor of today?

do doctors have so little to do in a work day that they get to sit in their offices all day, ignoring their super hot girlfriends while making internet videos debunking the same non-existent phenomenon over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.......

shill
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WTF do you care what he does with his time?

At least he brings some rational thinking and scientific facts to the table.
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WTF do you care what i think about him.

was i fucking talking to you?
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Haha Why can I see it moving without a telescope? Fuck off with this co-intel bullshit...
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Because the earth is rotating?
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Rotating yes, but around what, big boy?

Sun?

Astro....hock.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19325492


the sun rotates on its axis. putin

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Dr. Astro, since Jupiter Sun is kept constantly behind our sun from us, (by adjustment of its orbital speed), I don't thinks its possible to know if its OFF or not.

I have not looked at star ship Jupiter of late to compare to my sky program in location, but you don't even know if that puppy is in Jupiter orbit. It could even be orbiting earth with careful computer calculations to put it where people expect to see it in the sky.

I do know that is NOT Jupiter out there in the sky, that was proven to me summer 2009 when they lights were turned OFF on it, then back on and then dimmed and brightened plus the craft was moved around.

I have also observed Star ship Sirius to move around, and over quite a distance visually and there was a witness with me, who watched that in another state, not standing next to me, at the same time.

You can see Jupiter sun being moved behind our sun in mid March 2009 here:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] It has a solar corona and as I explained often here, at the time Jupiter was observed in this video, people had been seeing Star ship Jupiter with hologram long before mid March, yet Nasa admits in this that Jupiter was not seen YET.

You can go backwards on your sky programs if you have a good one and see when Jupiter was supposed to appear from behind the sun that year in early to mid february or so. I used to have the record and had it typed up. I don't have it on this computer and don't feel like doing it again. I would suggest Dr. Astro that YOU do so. I could use my star program and move it back to 2009 and determine that again. But again, I think you should Dr. Astro, you would learn something and it would change your paradigm. give it a shot.

If you don't want to, maybe some others here would do that? Any takers? Go figure when Jupiter was supposed to be seen from the southern hemisphere that year.
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Re: Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."
you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?

shouldn't you be out spending time doing your doctoring of whatever it is that you are a doctor of today?

do doctors have so little to do in a work day that they get to sit in their offices all day, ignoring their super hot girlfriends while making internet videos debunking the same non-existent phenomenon over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.......

shill
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Haha Why can I see it moving without a telescope? Fuck off with this co-intel bullshit...
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Because the earth is rotating?
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Rotating yes, but around what, big boy?

Sun?

Astro....hock.
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the sun rotates on its axis. putin
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


Its spiral dud. They all rotate around it.
Yes, Sun is big mass and have us around but that is not the point...
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Dr. Astro, since Jupiter is kept constantly behind our sun from us, (by adjustment of its orbital speed), I don't thinks its possible to know if its OFF or not.

I have no looked at star ship Jupiter of late to compare to my sky program in location, but you don't even know if that puppy is in Jupiter orbit. It could even be orbiting earth with careful computer calculations to put it where people expect to see it in the sky.
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What? No it's not. It has an 11 year orbit, most of the time it's not behind the sun.
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It could even be orbiting earth with careful computer calculations to put it where people expect to see it in the sky.
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Only if it was the same size as Jupiter and at the same distance and position as Jupiter could it appear correctly to all observers on Earth. In other words, it *is* Jupiter.
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Because the earth is rotating?
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Rotating yes, but around what, big boy?

Sun?

Astro....hock.
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the sun rotates on its axis. putin
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


Its spiral dud. They all rotate around it.
Yes, Sun is big mass and have us around but that is not the point...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19325492


Anyway..read this..its kinda 1 class for astronomers.
[link to www.infinitelymystical.com]
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Dr. Astro, since Jupiter is kept constantly behind our sun from us, (by adjustment of its orbital speed), I don't thinks its possible to know if its OFF or not.

I have no looked at star ship Jupiter of late to compare to my sky program in location, but you don't even know if that puppy is in Jupiter orbit. It could even be orbiting earth with careful computer calculations to put it where people expect to see it in the sky.
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What? No it's not. It has an 11 year orbit, most of the time it's not behind the sun.
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Ohh... you must have missed a chapter in the saga of "WOO". They think what we see in the sky is not really Jupiter, but rather a starship. You heard me..
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Rotating yes, but around what, big boy?

Sun?

Astro....hock.
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the sun rotates on its axis. putin
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


Its spiral dud. They all rotate around it.
Yes, Sun is big mass and have us around but that is not the point...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19325492


Anyway..read this..its kinda 1 class for astronomers.
[link to www.infinitelymystical.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19325492


As a side note, consider that in about 130 B.C., the same time frame as the creation of the Maya calendar, the Greek astronomer Hipparchus estimated precession to be 36,000 years or less. He was off by 10,000 years! Even so, Hipparchus is very famous for his work on precession and he wrote two books on the subject. He is considered by some people to be the greatest astronomer of antiquity. I can only add that it's a good thing he was not in charge of creating the Maya calendar! (
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Astro proves or disproves by using science, programmes and his telescope.


yet as he's american I'm guessing that he believes in a god, which cannot be proven or disproved by science, programmes or a telescope.


How does that work?
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you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?
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It isn't. I don't care what idiotic thing you choose to believe, but I will put the truth out there for those rational enough to examine it. Astronomy is my hobby, right now it's raining, so deal with it. Don't worry your pretty little britches, soon I'll be back to work and you'll have plenty more time to spread bullshit without me being here to counter it. In the meantime I'm enjoying debunking the nonsense. You can either debate the substance of what I've presented, or shut up. Your choice.
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you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?
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It isn't. I don't care what idiotic thing you choose to believe, but I will put the truth out there for those rational enough to examine it. Astronomy is my hobby, right now it's raining, so deal with it. Don't worry your pretty little britches, soon I'll be back to work and you'll have plenty more time to spread bullshit without me being here to counter it. In the meantime I'm enjoying debunking the nonsense. You can either debate the substance of what I've presented, or shut up. Your choice.
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Read this if you are free..batter then to debunk kids on GLP.
Maybe they need some fiction to stick with in rainy days. Dont be so cruel. Good thing is what you are doing in the manner of education people on basics...not to be in stress.
For that you have my gratitude. Just stay open dud. Cos there are things maybe which are there on sky but you have not allowed your brain to see it...just sayin.
What that is...i dont know..but those how may tell us are for some reason dead.
Happy holiday.
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you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?
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It isn't. I don't care what idiotic thing you choose to believe, but I will put the truth out there for those rational enough to examine it. Astronomy is my hobby, right now it's raining, so deal with it. Don't worry your pretty little britches, soon I'll be back to work and you'll have plenty more time to spread bullshit without me being here to counter it. In the meantime I'm enjoying debunking the nonsense. You can either debate the substance of what I've presented, or shut up. Your choice.
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Read this if you are free..batter then to debunk kids on GLP.
Maybe they need some fiction to stick with in rainy days. Dont be so cruel. Good thing is what you are doing in the manner of education people on basics...not to be in stress.
For that you have my gratitude. Just stay open dud. Cos there are things maybe which are there on sky but you have not allowed your brain to see it...just sayin.
What that is...i dont know..but those how may tell us are for some reason dead.
Happy holiday.
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Re: Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."
you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?

shouldn't you be out spending time doing your doctoring of whatever it is that you are a doctor of today?

do doctors have so little to do in a work day that they get to sit in their offices all day, ignoring their super hot girlfriends while making internet videos debunking the same non-existent phenomenon over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.......

shill
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WTF do you care what he does with his time?

At least he brings some rational thinking and scientific facts to the table.
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WTF do you care what i think about him.

was i fucking talking to you?
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


Eat a bag of dicks dude.
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Thanks Astro...

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you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?
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It isn't. I don't care what idiotic thing you choose to believe, but I will put the truth out there for those rational enough to examine it. Astronomy is my hobby, right now it's raining, so deal with it. Don't worry your pretty little britches, soon I'll be back to work and you'll have plenty more time to spread bullshit without me being here to counter it. In the meantime I'm enjoying debunking the nonsense. You can either debate the substance of what I've presented, or shut up. Your choice.
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doctors require nice weather to drive to the office?

what exactly is it that you are a doctor of that would require pleasant weather?
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You can see Jupiter sun being moved behind our sun in mid March 2009 here:
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No, that's from the STEREO satellite. Newsflash, that is not where Jupiter was relative to the sun from earth's perspective.
It has a solar corona and as I explained often here, at the time Jupiter was observed in this video, people had been seeing Star ship Jupiter with hologram long before mid March, yet Nasa admits in this that Jupiter was not seen YET.
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NASA admitted no such thing. STEREO perspective != Earth perspective
You can go backwards on your sky programs if you have a good one and see when Jupiter was supposed to appear from behind the sun that year in early to mid february or so.
 Quoting: smith

And it did.
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you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?
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It isn't. I don't care what idiotic thing you choose to believe, but I will put the truth out there for those rational enough to examine it. Astronomy is my hobby, right now it's raining, so deal with it. Don't worry your pretty little britches, soon I'll be back to work and you'll have plenty more time to spread bullshit without me being here to counter it. In the meantime I'm enjoying debunking the nonsense. You can either debate the substance of what I've presented, or shut up. Your choice.
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doctors require nice weather to drive to the office?

what exactly is it that you are a doctor of that would require pleasant weather?
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


You have chosen the latter.

For your information, I'm not working right this minute, but I will shortly be starting a new experiment that will require a considerable amount of my time (yes, believe it or not, I arranged things so that I would have a break for a little while after I finished my doctorate, what a fucking concept). You can then post as much BS as you want without worrying about me contradicting you, but you will not be doing so on my threads.
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Re: Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."
Dr. Astro, since Jupiter Sun is kept constantly behind our sun from us, (by adjustment of its orbital speed), I don't thinks its possible to know if its OFF or not.

I have not looked at star ship Jupiter of late to compare to my sky program in location, but you don't even know if that puppy is in Jupiter orbit. It could even be orbiting earth with careful computer calculations to put it where people expect to see it in the sky.

I do know that is NOT Jupiter out there in the sky, that was proven to me summer 2009 when they lights were turned OFF on it, then back on and then dimmed and brightened plus the craft was moved around.

I have also observed Star ship Sirius to move around, and over quite a distance visually and there was a witness with me, who watched that in another state, not standing next to me, at the same time.

You can see Jupiter sun being moved behind our sun in mid March 2009 here:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] It has a solar corona and as I explained often here, at the time Jupiter was observed in this video, people had been seeing Star ship Jupiter with hologram long before mid March, yet Nasa admits in this that Jupiter was not seen YET.

You can go backwards on your sky programs if you have a good one and see when Jupiter was supposed to appear from behind the sun that year in early to mid february or so. I used to have the record and had it typed up. I don't have it on this computer and don't feel like doing it again. I would suggest Dr. Astro that YOU do so. I could use my star program and move it back to 2009 and determine that again. But again, I think you should Dr. Astro, you would learn something and it would change your paradigm. give it a shot.

If you don't want to, maybe some others here would do that? Any takers? Go figure when Jupiter was supposed to be seen from the southern hemisphere that year.
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


Interesting post.

I said spontaneously to Venus. I know you're a craft, and it vanished, and it kept on coming back and vanishing. But the 3rd, 4th and so times it vanished and came back, it came back a stain glass, cobalt blue, several times. And I asked my then 12 year old son if he was seeing this and he replied, of course, do you think I'm stupid?

And then it came back and pretended to be a star/planet and acted like Venus again.

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