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Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."

 
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oh dear, poor poor astro.
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You can't fix stupid, Astro. I love that you try, though! I still learn a few things I didn't know from watching your debunking videos. Most of it, I've known though, and so would all the retards screaming "shill" if they wouldn't have dropped out of the 8th grade.

Keep it up! Can't wait for your next streaming session!
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Re: Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."
So according to this video that's been going viral lately, Jupiter is "off."


I compared the position of Jupiter in the SOHO images from the time periods covered by the above youtube video to the predicted position of Jupiter based on ephemeris that were originally generated in 1890 by George Hill. It's position is normal, even though I'm comparing it to data that originates over 120 years ago (in other words, no way it's part of some "NASA cover-up").

I didn't bother accounting for the position of SOHO in this case. I could squeeze a little more accuracy out of it if I did that, but I don't think it's necessary in this case (it would also require importing SOHO's orbital data uniquely for each observation epoch). It was enough work to convert and import the old ephemeris into modern software. Rather than try to modify the VSOP87 algorithms, I simply imported mean Keplerian elements for Jupiter at each observation epoch (derived from the original Hill data) into Celestia. ORSA was used to propagate the data to each observation epoch.

I made a gif animation showing the various comparisons. It starts with a simple 3 frame comparison similar to what the youtube video showed (one image from 2000, one from 2007, and one from 2012). I then compared this to the ephemeris data using celestia, registering each image based on the stars (effectively doing astrometry by hand). As you can see, Jupiter's where it should be in the image, even according to 19th century data.

[link to img705.imageshack.us]

I also did a direct measurement of Jupiter's position in a video you may have seen before, and indeed it's perfectly normal to within at least 1.69 arcseconds (far high resolution than what you can see in the SOHO images).


 Quoting: Dr. Astro


i don't think Jupiter has moved...you are assuming the camera is in the same orbit....probably not!
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Finally you got it, yes, on time.

Just the tip of the iceberg.
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So according to this video that's been going viral lately, Jupiter is "off."


I compared the position of Jupiter in the SOHO images from the time periods covered by the above youtube video to the predicted position of Jupiter based on ephemeris that were originally generated in 1890 by George Hill. It's position is normal, even though I'm comparing it to data that originates over 120 years ago (in other words, no way it's part of some "NASA cover-up").

I didn't bother accounting for the position of SOHO in this case. I could squeeze a little more accuracy out of it if I did that, but I don't think it's necessary in this case (it would also require importing SOHO's orbital data uniquely for each observation epoch). It was enough work to convert and import the old ephemeris into modern software. Rather than try to modify the VSOP87 algorithms, I simply imported mean Keplerian elements for Jupiter at each observation epoch (derived from the original Hill data) into Celestia. ORSA was used to propagate the data to each observation epoch.

I made a gif animation showing the various comparisons. It starts with a simple 3 frame comparison similar to what the youtube video showed (one image from 2000, one from 2007, and one from 2012). I then compared this to the ephemeris data using celestia, registering each image based on the stars (effectively doing astrometry by hand). As you can see, Jupiter's where it should be in the image, even according to 19th century data.

[link to img705.imageshack.us]

I also did a direct measurement of Jupiter's position in a video you may have seen before, and indeed it's perfectly normal to within at least 1.69 arcseconds (far high resolution than what you can see in the SOHO images).


 Quoting: Dr. Astro


hmmm, ok, good insight.
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So according to this video that's been going viral lately, Jupiter is "off."


I compared the position of Jupiter in the SOHO images from the time periods covered by the above youtube video to the predicted position of Jupiter based on ephemeris that were originally generated in 1890 by George Hill. It's position is normal, even though I'm comparing it to data that originates over 120 years ago (in other words, no way it's part of some "NASA cover-up").

I didn't bother accounting for the position of SOHO in this case. I could squeeze a little more accuracy out of it if I did that, but I don't think it's necessary in this case (it would also require importing SOHO's orbital data uniquely for each observation epoch). It was enough work to convert and import the old ephemeris into modern software. Rather than try to modify the VSOP87 algorithms, I simply imported mean Keplerian elements for Jupiter at each observation epoch (derived from the original Hill data) into Celestia. ORSA was used to propagate the data to each observation epoch.

I made a gif animation showing the various comparisons. It starts with a simple 3 frame comparison similar to what the youtube video showed (one image from 2000, one from 2007, and one from 2012). I then compared this to the ephemeris data using celestia, registering each image based on the stars (effectively doing astrometry by hand). As you can see, Jupiter's where it should be in the image, even according to 19th century data.

[link to img705.imageshack.us]

I also did a direct measurement of Jupiter's position in a video you may have seen before, and indeed it's perfectly normal to within at least 1.69 arcseconds (far high resolution than what you can see in the SOHO images).


 Quoting: Dr. Astro


i don't think Jupiter has moved...you are assuming the camera is in the same orbit....probably not!
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You do realize that I'm debunking the first video, not agreeing with it, right?
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Good job, Astro.

Now can you prove there is no God?

Thanks, Miggy
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Good job, Astro.

Now can you prove there is no God?

Thanks, Miggy
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Wtf ?
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you know whats funny is that you would even make a video to debunk this? that leads me to this conclusion.1. your a shill trying to disinfo everyone here,By you making the videos trying to discredit Nibiru you make yourself look guilty has hell.
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Typical strawman argument - because someone tries to reassure people and educate them about the world around them, it means they're some kind of shill.

Go ahead - remain ignorant. BTW - it should be YOU'RE not YOUR.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


You know what's even funnier? I searched all of the threads that Dr. Astro has started over the past year, and all I could find were four (4) - and they were all about Nibiru.

Someone please double-check my search - maybe I'm wrong - but it seems to me that this dude has a major hard-on for "watching the world learn" about just ONE topic.

Damn strange, folks. Connect the dots.
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Good job, Astro.

Now can you prove there is no God?

Thanks, Miggy
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clapping
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OK..

So.. If I understood this correctly, the differences in orbits is due to the difference in SOHO position..

I guess SOHO isn't in a stable orbit then? It wobbles along with the Earth?

(I don't know anything about SOHO...)

I suppose the same would be true of Geosynchronous orbits as well then, they would follow the earths wobbly orbit?
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thats interesting,




Astro, do you believe in a god? if so which one?
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The one good thing about Dr. Astro's threads are:

You can always find out who the niburu retards are, they can't understand or put up any intellectual facts to support their claims and can only name call and attempt to ridicule instead of backing their claims.

I have an entire new list of people on my ignore list now who lack credibility and I no longer need to ever read their bullshit again.

Much thanks Dr. Astro, you help in so many ways.

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you know whats funny is that you would even make a video to debunk this? that leads me to this conclusion.1. your a shill trying to disinfo everyone here,By you making the videos trying to discredit Nibiru you make yourself look guilty has hell.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15547648


Most of the things in the last 4 years posted to prove nibiru ended up shooting it down.

I mean the Nibiru Final Update was a laugh all this BS data somehow taken from a IRAS image.

You people discredit yourselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15547648


Why are we even on this subject? According to JRM Nibiru crashed into the earth 5 days ago (his disasters were supposed happen on the 16th), and I was raking Nibiru debris out of my yard all weekend.

This is over, please stop this and move on.

Thank you.

PS. The IRAS data is between 2 and 30 years old. Nibiru people - please quit using IRAS data to show Nibiru is crashing into the earth tommorrow - it's embarrassing.

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you know whats funny is that you would even make a video to debunk this? that leads me to this conclusion.1. your a shill trying to disinfo everyone here,By you making the videos trying to discredit Nibiru you make yourself look guilty has hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15547648


Typical strawman argument - because someone tries to reassure people and educate them about the world around them, it means they're some kind of shill.

Go ahead - remain ignorant. BTW - it should be YOU'RE not YOUR.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


You know what's even funnier? I searched all of the threads that Dr. Astro has started over the past year, and all I could find were four (4) - and they were all about Nibiru.

Someone please double-check my search - maybe I'm wrong - but it seems to me that this dude has a major hard-on for "watching the world learn" about just ONE topic.

Damn strange, folks. Connect the dots.
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


He's merely trying to educate and save people from themselves.
He is the Roy Rogers of astronomy.. He and his posse of 'Cosmic Cowboys' are worried that people will commit hara kiri if they find out that the universe doesn't work according to man's laws.
Of course.. this quest is very noble and worthy of a cookie.. or maybe an attaboy..
This is their only reward... oh.. and the satisfaction they receive by ridiculing anyone who disagrees.
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The one good thing about Dr. Astro's threads are:

You can always find out who the niburu retards are, they can't understand or put up any intellectual facts to support their claims and can only name call and attempt to ridicule instead of backing their claims.

I have an entire new list of people on my ignore list now who lack no credibility and I no longer need to ever read their bullshit again.

Much thanks Dr. Astro, you help in so many ways.
 Quoting: Redpaw360




"on my ignore list now who lack no credibility"

lack credibility or lack no credibility


hmmmm
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OK..

So.. If I understood this correctly, the differences in orbits is due to the difference in SOHO position..
 Quoting: CanadaIn NIC

No, Jupiter's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic, so the expectation that it would always take the same track across is inherently flawed.
I guess SOHO isn't in a stable orbit then? It wobbles along with the Earth?
 Quoting: Canada

It orbits the L1 lagrange point, which is inherently unstable, and it requires station keeping burns to maintain. I didn't bother to account for that though, it's a smaller effect than Jupiter's own orbit (image orientation is also another big issue, which is also why adjusting each image relative to the stars is so important).
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Astro proves or disproves by using science, programmes and his telescope.


yet as he's american I'm guessing that he believes in a god, which cannot be proven or disproved by science, programmes or a telescope.


How does that work?
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There is no planet X and everything is where it should be.
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The one good thing about Dr. Astro's threads are:

You can always find out who the niburu retards are, they can't understand or put up any intellectual facts to support their claims and can only name call and attempt to ridicule instead of backing their claims.

I have an entire new list of people on my ignore list now who lack no credibility and I no longer need to ever read their bullshit again.

Much thanks Dr. Astro, you help in so many ways.
 Quoting: Redpaw360




"on my ignore list now who lack no credibility"

lack credibility or lack no credibility


hmmmm
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Coffee was kicking in, statement corrected. Carry on.

LOL
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you know whats funny is that you would even make a video to debunk this? that leads me to this conclusion.1. your a shill trying to disinfo everyone here,By you making the videos trying to discredit Nibiru you make yourself look guilty has hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15547648


Typical strawman argument - because someone tries to reassure people and educate them about the world around them, it means they're some kind of shill.

Go ahead - remain ignorant. BTW - it should be YOU'RE not YOUR.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


You know what's even funnier? I searched all of the threads that Dr. Astro has started over the past year, and all I could find were four (4) - and they were all about Nibiru.

Someone please double-check my search - maybe I'm wrong - but it seems to me that this dude has a major hard-on for "watching the world learn" about just ONE topic.

Damn strange, folks. Connect the dots.
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


Yes, once again, you're wrong.
Thread: Come see live video of the moon and Saturn! 6-27-12
Thread: Come see live video of asteroid 2012 LZ1 as it passes by earth!
Thread: Here's what a real cosmic threat looks like
Thread: We saw that bright planet in the west (Venus), now come see live video of Saturn! 5-15-12 *Thanks for watching, replay on page 2*
Thread: Come see live video of Mars! Tonight is the closest it will be to earth for the next two years! 3-5-12
I also wouldn't call this a "Nibiru" thread, but I guess you would:
Thread: Come see live video of the "blacked-out" region of the infrared layer of Google sky in Virgo! 8-16-12
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All someone needs to do it go back 10yrs SAME DATES and make a new video showing the paths over the years to see if its moving or not.
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Re: Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."
Astro: There was one accusation on this thread that you made no comment on. Perhaps it was to far out there for you to consider? But anyway, I am going to repeat the posters statement.

Jupiter is not off its orbit... Earth is off.

I know that lay people have always thought of Earth as the base point and related everything to her. So is it at all possible?

Please respond...
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I countered the one star bandit. Good stuff as always astro
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:propsyo:
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The "your" is misspelled in the smilie. It should be "you're".
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


stop the idiotic pettifoggery and spellcheck it properly to

"whose awsome"
"your awsome"

thats perfectly fine as well

not my awsome but yours
duh. ahahahahalol
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And when exactly will Jupiter crash with Earth?
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