Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."

So all is well? no worries! Thanks good doctor!!

I was going to cutout the parts around Jupiter and compare them. I've found that the entire image is way too big for the Web Server, you have to use parts of the image, without the trees & clouds.

Astro, I think this may have gotten lost in the older pages, but that's an excellent shot of Jupiter you have. What kind of equipment do you use?

Ah yes, meant to get to that one. It was shot with the T16 telescope in Spain:
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It's my lucky telescope for when the weather isn't playing nice here in Florida.

That's so awesome. What do you use in Florida?

on a related note, the chinese national space administration held a press conference to announce an unprecedented manned mission to the surface of the sun. shocked reporters asked the most obvious question, "how will the astronauts survive the intense heat?" chinese officials responded that they were planning a night landing...

Yes, they explained it as well (and again, the orbit is NOT different), in fact they gave the same explanation I gave in my video in my original post, they just didn't go into as much detail as I did. I'll take that as a compliment from you then, thanks!

This baby:
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Seemed entirely appropriate.



Wasn't meant to be "creative". It was meant to make a point.



But you can't show where they are wrong, right? Right.



Funny how we just landed a rover on Mars using calculations that, according to you, aren't useful.

This post may go down in GLP history as being the funniest ever made.

Thanks, Edge Rider!

This baby:

So according to this video that's been going viral lately, Jupiter is "off."


I compared the position of Jupiter in the SOHO images from the time periods covered by the above youtube video to the predicted position of Jupiter based on ephemeris that were originally generated in 1890 by George Hill. It's position is normal, even though I'm comparing it to data that originates over 120 years ago (in other words, no way it's part of some "NASA cover-up").

I didn't bother accounting for the position of SOHO in this case. I could squeeze a little more accuracy out of it if I did that, but I don't think it's necessary in this case (it would also require importing SOHO's orbital data uniquely for each observation epoch). It was enough work to convert and import the old ephemeris into modern software. Rather than try to modify the VSOP87 algorithms, I simply imported mean Keplerian elements for Jupiter at each observation epoch (derived from the original Hill data) into Celestia. ORSA was used to propagate the data to each observation epoch.

I made a gif animation showing the various comparisons. It starts with a simple 3 frame comparison similar to what the youtube video showed (one image from 2000, one from 2007, and one from 2012). I then compared this to the ephemeris data using celestia, registering each image based on the stars (effectively doing astrometry by hand). As you can see, Jupiter's where it should be in the image, even according to 19th century data.

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I also did a direct measurement of Jupiter's position in a video you may have seen before, and indeed it's perfectly normal to within at least 1.69 arcseconds (far high resolution than what you can see in the SOHO images).

That's so badass. Is it a 12?

I've had a 8' dobsonian mount for a few years now and I wanna upgrade to something with a camera, and obviously much bigger. I got a decent set of celestron eyepieces recently, but it didn't give me too much of a difference with the wide field lenses. It's hard being on a tight budget, but I've been saving. What would you recommend for a 12' and a camera?

In other words Jupiter's orbit is out of place.


How goes, .gov shillboy? When are you idiots going to figure out that when you 'debunk' what appears to be a questionable story you prove it is true? Oh and BTW, FUCK OFF

You are asking where they are wrong?
Here's why.
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Is that what your lovely NASA teaches you?

This post may go down in GLP history as being the funniest ever made.

Thanks, Edge Rider!

I nominate this for ignorant post of the month.

I nominate this for ignorant post of the month.

Astronomy is a expensive ass hobby. Even a used 12" lx200 will cost ya 3 grand at minimum.

Jupiter's orbit is changing constantly as it cycles, as it should be.

I guess that would depend on your IQ and your sense of humor or lack thereof, I found the "joke" stupid, racist and suggesting the exact opposite of reality. The average Chinese is much smarter and better educated than you are.

Astronomy is a expensive ass hobby. Even a used 12" lx200 will cost ya 3 grand at minimum.