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I have a zircon which has been radiometrically dated to 3 billion years old sitting right in front of me.
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Is that the correct date or is it in error?
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sorry AC, did you ever give me an answer for this?
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THE LONG DAY OF JOSHUA - SUN STANDS TILL

One of the evidences for the historicity of the long day recorded in Joshua 10:13 and reiterated in Habakkuk 3:11 lies in the large body of traditions from many parts of the world according to which there was a long day (or night, or evening, depending upon the location) at about the same time that Joshua lived.

David Nelson dramatically informs us of this fact as follows: Chinese history speaks of Yao, their king, declaring that in his reign the sun stood so long above the horizon that it was feared the world would have been set on fire; and fixes the reign of Yao at a given date, which corresponds with the age of Joshua the son of Nun. . . .

The Latin poet Ovid amuses the school-boy greatly, in his fanciful narrative of Phaeton's chariot. This heathen author tells us, that a day was once lost, and that the earth was in great danger from the intense heat of an unusual sun. . . . Our notice is somewhat attracted, when we find him mention Phaeton--who was a Canaanitish prince-- and learn that the fable originated with the Phoenicians, the same people whom Joshua fought.

If you ask an unbeliever of these incidents, or of the common traditions of early nations that a day was lost about the time when the, "volume of truth", informs us that the sun hasted not to go down for the space of a whole day, you will find that he had never thought on these points: they are not of the character which he is inclined to notice.

T. W. Doane relates the following facts concerning these traditions:

There are many stories similar to this, to be found among other nations of antiquity. We have, as an example, that which is related of Bacchus in the Orphic hymns, wherein it says that this god-man arrested the course of the sun and the moon.

An Indian legend relates that the sun stood still to hear the pious ejaculations of Arjouan after the death of Crishna. A "holy" Buddhist by the name of Matanga prevented the sun, at his command, from rising, and bisected the moon. . . .

The Chinese also, had a legend of the sun standing still, and a legend was found among the Ancient Mexicans to the effect that one of their holy persons commanded the sun to stand still, which command was obeyed.

Doane refers to Anacalypsis by Higgins, Buddhist Legends by Hardy and Bud. & Jeyens by Franklin in support of his statements.

In 1940, Harry Rimmer summarized these traditions as follows:

In the ancient Chinese writings there is a legend of a long day. The Incas of Peru and the Aztecs of Mexico have a like record, and there is a Babylonian and a Persian legend of a day that was miraculously extended. Another section of China contributes an account of the day that was miraculously prolonged, in the reign of Emperor Yeo.

Herodotus recounts that the priests of Egypt showed him their temple records, and that there he read a strange account of a day that was twice the natural length. Rimmer concludes this section with a lengthy quotation from the Polynesian account of this event.

In 1950, Immanuel Velikovsky came out with his controversial book, Worlds in Collision, based on the premise that the account of the long day in Joshua is accurate, accounting for many other unsolved scientific mysteries. In support of his premise, he also refers to the ancient traditions of a long day:

In the Mexican Annals of Cuauhtitlan--the history of the empire of Culhuacan and Mexico, written in Nahua-Indian in the sixteenth century--it is related that during a cosmic catastrophe that occurred in the remote past, the night did not end for a long time. . . .

Sahagun, the Spanish savant who came to America a generation after Columbus and gathered the traditions of the aborigines, wrote that at the time of one cosmic catastrophe the sun rose only a little way over the horizon and remained there without moving; the moon also stood still.

In a footnote, Velikovsky states that the Mexican Annals of Cuauhtitlan, were also known as the Codex Chimalpopca, and that these manuscripts contained a series of annals of very ancient date, many of them going back to more than a thousand years before the Christian era.

Velikovsky's theory was that at some time in the middle of the second millennium B.C., either the earth was interrupted in its regular rotation by a comet, or the terrestrial axis was tilted in the presence of a strong magnetic field, so that for several hours the sun appeared to lose its diurnal movement.

Velikovsky's book brought about quite a bit of discussion on this topic. "The Day The Sun Stood Still," by Eric Larabee was published in Harper's in January of 1950. It was reprinted in the Minneapolis Sunday Tribune on February 5 of that year, with the comment that "The article on this page--`The Day the Sun Stood Still'--will quite probably become the most discussed magazine piece of 1950.

It was published in the current issue of Harper's Magazine, and the Tribune is the first newspaper to reprint it. The account is based on a book, Worlds in Collision, by Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky.

The article has created such interest in publishing circles that, the Tribune has learned, the editors of Collier's and of The Reader's Digest have other presentations of the same idea in preparation.

This Week magazine, which is a section of the Sunday Tribune and twenty- five other Sunday newspapers, is preparing a pictorial presentation of some of Velikovsky's unusual theories which lace together elements of religious beliefs and scientific events and try to explain that once--within the recorded history of man--the sun stood still."

Gordon A. Atwater, curator of the Hayden Planetarium, wrote at the time, "The theories presented by Dr. Velikovsky are unique and should be presented to the world of science in order that the underpinning of modern science can be re-examined . . . I believe the author has done an outstanding job."

Another indication of the trustworthiness of Joshua 10:13 can be found in astronomical data. It appears that one full day is missing in our astronomical calculations. On different occasions, Sir Edwin Ball, the great British astronomer, and Professors Pickering of the Harvard Observatory, Maunders of Greenwich, and Totten of Yale have traced this back to the time of Joshua.

If we disregard calendar changes and deal only with a chronology based upon solar motion, and go back to the earliest available records, and trace the calendar through to the time of Joshua, the day of Joshua's battle was on a Tuesday, whereas if we compute backwards to the time of Joshua from the present day, the day of the battle would have been on a Wednesday. The day of the month is the same, but it is a different day of the week.

In other words, if we reckon from the first recorded solstice in the ancient Egyptian records, the day is Tuesday, but if we reckon back from the most recent solstice, the day is Wednesday.

These facts are extensively corroborated with astronomical data by Charles A. L. Totten in Joshua's Long Day, and the Dial of Ahaz (New Haven: Our Race Publishing Co., 1890). Note that this differs from the "NASA story" of a missing day which apparently never occurred...s8int.com

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An atheist group in in Charlotte, N.C., put up two huge billboards Monday ridiculing Christianity and Mormonism.

The billboard against Christianity calls God "sadistic" and "useless," while the display against Mormonism calls God a "space alien."
 Quoting: Chop's


Notice that they're too gutless to ridicule Islam.

Come on Atheists - man up and show that you're not afraid of any religion.

At that point, you'll see how the media will suddenly classify that as "hate speech".
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Your point is stupid. Atheists in this country go after Christians because you have your nose in everything. You have your slogans on our money, in our courthouses and you try to get your invisible sky daddy involved in schools, laws, etc. You don't see Islamic people doing this. Christians are loud and obnoxious and there is a Xian church on pretty much every corner of America. There are millions of you. That is why Christianity is often targeted. But if you TRULY want to be discriminated against, try to be an atheist. Most of us are in the closet, so to speak, because you evil Christians hate us and condemn us to your imaginary hell. Grow up.
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You will see this if the muslims get enough power.
Ever heard of sharia law?
Any religious group terrorizes non beleivers in order to "save" them, while the reality is that a non believer
is just missing money in the offering plate to a preacher
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

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An atheist group in in Charlotte, N.C., put up two huge billboards Monday ridiculing Christianity and Mormonism.

The billboard against Christianity calls God "sadistic" and "useless," while the display against Mormonism calls God a "space alien."

 Quoting: Chop's



Bravo !!

Tell them to search for my essay " Parents the Ultimate Criminals and their direct consequence : Religion , the ultimate proof of Stupidity ! " , and then put it on a highway billboard !


Religion has became a Stigma and a sign of a lower IQ based on the Reality around us and the many contradictions in All religions .

Get Real , drop the fantasy and embrace self-responsability !! Then is much easier to understand that if You don't change this world for the better no fantasy-gwad would do it for you , Duh !
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it wasn't dirt, it was materials from the earth which made the physical body that houses the spirit. it wasn't a rib. the actual translations say material from adam's side. rib? maybe. more like genetic material.

if we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? there is not one shred, not one iota of evidence that proves man evolved from apes. actually, the evidence falls to the contrary - that there is no possible way that man evolved from apes. if man evolved from any animal, the ape is the most unlikely candidate. the reason why they can't find the missing link is because there isn't one.

three men did not live in a furnace, they walked thru it. go and google what furnaces looked like back then.

i can go all day. bring it.
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Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter?
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japhthah did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.

the daughter was the only means of continuing the family line.

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Judges 11:38-40
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
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it wasn't dirt, it was materials from the earth which made the physical body that houses the spirit. it wasn't a rib. the actual translations say material from adam's side. rib? maybe. more like genetic material.

if we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? there is not one shred, not one iota of evidence that proves man evolved from apes. actually, the evidence falls to the contrary - that there is no possible way that man evolved from apes. if man evolved from any animal, the ape is the most unlikely candidate. the reason why they can't find the missing link is because there isn't one.

three men did not live in a furnace, they walked thru it. go and google what furnaces looked like back then.

i can go all day. bring it.
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Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter?
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japhath did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.
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You are ABSOLUTELY wrong about that. Go read your Bible. His daughter weeped that she would never have children because she was a virgin. After four months, she returned to her father and he did what he vowed to God that he would do. He killed her. He promised God that he would kill the first "thing" that came out of his house to greet him after God allowed him to have victory in battle. It was his only daughter that came out to meet him. He killed her. You are a complete liar. Go READ the Bible and come back and prove what you said. I will do the same thing. I guarantee you that he sacrificed his daughter to God.
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it wasn't dirt, it was materials from the earth which made the physical body that houses the spirit. it wasn't a rib. the actual translations say material from adam's side. rib? maybe. more like genetic material.

if we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? there is not one shred, not one iota of evidence that proves man evolved from apes. actually, the evidence falls to the contrary - that there is no possible way that man evolved from apes. if man evolved from any animal, the ape is the most unlikely candidate. the reason why they can't find the missing link is because there isn't one.

three men did not live in a furnace, they walked thru it. go and google what furnaces looked like back then.

i can go all day. bring it.
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Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter?
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japhath did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.
 Quoting: Salt


You are ABSOLUTELY wrong about that. Go read your Bible. His daughter weeped that she would never have children because she was a virgin. After four months, she returned to her father and he did what he vowed to God that he would do. He killed her. He promised God that he would kill the first "thing" that came out of his house to greet him after God allowed him to have victory in battle. It was his only daughter that came out to meet him. He killed her. You are a complete liar. Go READ the Bible and come back and prove what you said. I will do the same thing. I guarantee you that he sacrificed his daughter to God.
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you are wrong. there are passages that show her in activity AFTER the fact.

YOU go back and read.
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it wasn't dirt, it was materials from the earth which made the physical body that houses the spirit. it wasn't a rib. the actual translations say material from adam's side. rib? maybe. more like genetic material.

if we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? there is not one shred, not one iota of evidence that proves man evolved from apes. actually, the evidence falls to the contrary - that there is no possible way that man evolved from apes. if man evolved from any animal, the ape is the most unlikely candidate. the reason why they can't find the missing link is because there isn't one.

three men did not live in a furnace, they walked thru it. go and google what furnaces looked like back then.

i can go all day. bring it.
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Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


japhthah did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.

the daughter was the only means of continuing the family line.

EDIT:

Judges 11:38-40
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, [That] the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

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AND think about Abraham. If he didn't think his God would accept sacrifices, why did he take his son to the mountain and attempt to kill him? If God wouldn't be the type of God to accept human sacrifices, Abraham would have said, "Wait a minute. My God would never require me to sacrifice my own son. Only Satan would do that." But what did Abraham do? He took his son to the mountain and held a knife to his throat. STop telling lies. It is very unbecoming.
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AND think about Abraham. If he didn't think his God would accept sacrifices, why did he take his son to the mountain and attempt to kill him? If God wouldn't be the type of God to accept human sacrifices, Abraham would have said, "Wait a minute. My God would never require me to sacrifice my own son. Only Satan would do that." But what did Abraham do? He took his son to the mountain and held a knife to his throat. STop telling lies. It is very unbecoming.
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don't forget the rest of the story.

abraham became the father of an enormous nation with millions of descendants of God's people.

big hoss, big cross.

it was a TEST of his faith. nothing short of what God did Himself.

his son was spared.
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it wasn't dirt, it was materials from the earth which made the physical body that houses the spirit. it wasn't a rib. the actual translations say material from adam's side. rib? maybe. more like genetic material.

if we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? there is not one shred, not one iota of evidence that proves man evolved from apes. actually, the evidence falls to the contrary - that there is no possible way that man evolved from apes. if man evolved from any animal, the ape is the most unlikely candidate. the reason why they can't find the missing link is because there isn't one.

three men did not live in a furnace, they walked thru it. go and google what furnaces looked like back then.

i can go all day. bring it.
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Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


japhthah did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.

the daughter was the only means of continuing the family line.

EDIT:

Judges 11:38-40
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, [That] the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

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 Quoting: Salt

Read what it says. Jephthah DID WITH HER what he had vowed. You are interpreting the Bible the way YOU want to. He VOWED to God that he would sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house. His daughter asked if she could go away with her companions to lament her own DEATH. She would never have children and she would never know a man. When she came home, her father did what he had vowed. He killed her. Read it again, closely.
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Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter?
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japhthah did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.

the daughter was the only means of continuing the family line.

EDIT:

Judges 11:38-40
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, [That] the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

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 Quoting: Salt

Read what it says. Jephthah DID WITH HER what he had vowed. You are interpreting the Bible the way YOU want to. He VOWED to God that he would sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house. His daughter asked if she could go away with her companions to lament her own DEATH. She would never have children and she would never know a man. When she came home, her father did what he had vowed. He killed her. Read it again, closely.
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yep, and the vow was to cut off the possibility of continuing his bloodline. period.

there was no murder of his daughter.

here, read this. it is a nice analysis of this topic

[link to www.tektonics.org]
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AND think about Abraham. If he didn't think his God would accept sacrifices, why did he take his son to the mountain and attempt to kill him? If God wouldn't be the type of God to accept human sacrifices, Abraham would have said, "Wait a minute. My God would never require me to sacrifice my own son. Only Satan would do that." But what did Abraham do? He took his son to the mountain and held a knife to his throat. STop telling lies. It is very unbecoming.
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don't forget the rest of the story.

abraham became the father of an enormous nation with millions of descendants of God's people.

big hoss, big cross.

it was a TEST of his faith. nothing short of what God did Himself.

his son was spared.
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I knew you would say that, before I even read it. You are taking what I said out of context, exactly what you do to the Bible. I asked you WHY Abraham would believe that it was the voice of God he was hearing? If you heard a voice in your head today, asking you to take your child to the mountain and kill him/her, would you do it? Or would you think it was some evil entity that was asking you to do this? You would NEVER do this because you wouldn't believe that God would ask you to sacrifice your own child? BUT...Abraham went along with this because he BELIEVED his God was capable of asking for a human sacrifice. NOW do you understand?????
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if by slime you mean micro-organisms then yes
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You have more faith than any Christian.
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i wouldnt call it faith since studies can be done and examples can be given...proven or disproven.
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Nope. Not supported by a single scientific fact. Total faith in Naturalism.
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call it whatever makes you feel better bro.

but why cut out the rest of my post?
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AND think about Abraham. If he didn't think his God would accept sacrifices, why did he take his son to the mountain and attempt to kill him? If God wouldn't be the type of God to accept human sacrifices, Abraham would have said, "Wait a minute. My God would never require me to sacrifice my own son. Only Satan would do that." But what did Abraham do? He took his son to the mountain and held a knife to his throat. STop telling lies. It is very unbecoming.
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don't forget the rest of the story.

abraham became the father of an enormous nation with millions of descendants of God's people.

big hoss, big cross.

it was a TEST of his faith. nothing short of what God did Himself.

his son was spared.
 Quoting: Salt

I knew you would say that, before I even read it. You are taking what I said out of context, exactly what you do to the Bible. I asked you WHY Abraham would believe that it was the voice of God he was hearing? If you heard a voice in your head today, asking you to take your child to the mountain and kill him/her, would you do it? Or would you think it was some evil entity that was asking you to do this? You would NEVER do this because you wouldn't believe that God would ask you to sacrifice your own child? BUT...Abraham went along with this because he BELIEVED his God was capable of asking for a human sacrifice. NOW do you understand?????
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nope, Abraham believed that God would spare his son.
Abraham already spoke to God on a lot of things.
Read the entire thing. it is not so simple is to pluck one small portion out of a giant epic.
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japhthah did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.

the daughter was the only means of continuing the family line.

EDIT:

Judges 11:38-40
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, [That] the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

 Quoting: Salt

 Quoting: Salt

Read what it says. Jephthah DID WITH HER what he had vowed. You are interpreting the Bible the way YOU want to. He VOWED to God that he would sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house. His daughter asked if she could go away with her companions to lament her own DEATH. She would never have children and she would never know a man. When she came home, her father did what he had vowed. He killed her. Read it again, closely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


yep, and the vow was to cut off the possibility of continuing his bloodline. period.

there was no murder of his daughter.

here, read this. it is a nice analysis of this topic

[link to www.tektonics.org]
 Quoting: Salt


Let's face it. You are in the business of making excuses for this God you worship. YOU KNOW that he killed his daughter and yet you listen to some charlatan who makes up a story about why they think this didn't happen. You are delusional. Why did God send 42 bears to kill kids who made fun of a prophets bald head? Let me guess, you have made up some excuse for God about this one too. Well, YOU haven't made up the excuse but you are really, really good at cut and paste. Why don't you try reading the bible yourself instead of listening to your professors or charlatans who are making a quick buck off of your gullibility.
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i see the debate continued, wish i didnt have to step away while it was still good
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Religion has became a Stigma and a sign of a lower IQ based on the Reality around us and the many contradictions in All religions .

Get Real , drop the fantasy and embrace self-responsability !! Then is much easier to understand that if You don't change this world for the better no fantasy-gwad would do it for you , Duh !
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Sorry which fantasy were you referring to? Was it the one about ape-men evolving out of slime billions of years ago?

What's your "rational" position again?
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Religion has became a Stigma and a sign of a lower IQ based on the Reality around us and the many contradictions in All religions .

Get Real , drop the fantasy and embrace self-responsability !! Then is much easier to understand that if You don't change this world for the better no fantasy-gwad would do it for you , Duh !
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Sorry which fantasy were you referring to? Was it the one about ape-men evolving out of slime billions of years ago?

What's your "rational" position again?
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not billions of years ago, OVER billions of years
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it wasn't dirt, it was materials from the earth which made the physical body that houses the spirit. it wasn't a rib. the actual translations say material from adam's side. rib? maybe. more like genetic material.

if we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? there is not one shred, not one iota of evidence that proves man evolved from apes. actually, the evidence falls to the contrary - that there is no possible way that man evolved from apes. if man evolved from any animal, the ape is the most unlikely candidate. the reason why they can't find the missing link is because there isn't one.

three men did not live in a furnace, they walked thru it. go and google what furnaces looked like back then.

i can go all day. bring it.
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You really need to study evolution as opposed to theology. It is apparent that you are learning these things from Christian college studies. Evolution is about learning new things every day. Creationists have been rehashing the same old garbage since the 60s. It is silly and scientists laugh at it. Man did not actually evolve from an ape. Each species evolved separately and if you had ever actually studied evolution, you would know this. If you ask why there are still apes, you really need to STUDY evolution? I don't know all that there is to know because I didn't take a college course in evolution. Yet, if you talk to any evolutionary biologist, they can answer all your questions. Try it sometime.

You say that the men walked through a furnace? Okay, I'll give you that one. I wonder why these men were so scared then? If it was no big deal to walk through this furnace, why is it explained as a miracle in the Bible?

So how did the donkey talk using human language? What excuse can you come up with for for that one? How did the sun stand still so some man could win a battle? How did the sun go backwards in another Scripture verse. Remember, you can't use "God did it" in these cases. You have to explain these things using fact, not fiction.

Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter? If God accepts human sacrificies, then why do you think that the pagans are wrong. Their Gods also accepted human and animal sacrifices, and so does your God. Why can't God just forgive us himself? Why did he need the blood sacrifice called Jesus? How could a big star up in the sky lead anyone to a stable? Why is there no historical account of the dead people who came out of their graves after Jesus died, and why is this unbelievable incident only mentioned ONCE in the Bible? What did these zombies say about the afterlife? Why is that not recorded ANYWHERE except for the Bible? You would think a story like that one would be broadcast around the world by all kinds of people not involved in the Xian faith? How did the kangaroo end up on the ark? Australia was always a segregated land mass. Could it be possible that the animals evolved differently in Australia.

How did Samson catch 300 foxes and tie all their tails together. Then how did he prop torches between all their tails and then let them all loose so they could burn up some fields? THen how did Samson kill 1,000 men with a donkey jawbone? Remember, you can't use "God did it." Oh, I could go on and on but I will wait until you answer some of these questions including how a man could live in the belly of a fish for three days.
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because, when they were inside the furnace, everything that is in there is completely incinerated. they were spared supernaturally.

the university that i attend is not only Christian studies. For example, I am studying the philosophies right now. Prior to that was a history class of the religious worldviews since the dawn of time. Christianity was a small chapter in that semester.

the talking donkey of Balaam is a really interesting story. but, it is important to keep it in context. Balaam was made into a fool because he abused the gifts that God gave him. Balaam was angry with the donkey and while he was stuck facing the opposite direction, he thinks he hears his own donkey speak to him. when he turns around, he sees the angel of the Lord with his sword drawn.

did the donkey actually speak? well, nobody heard it except Balaam, so probably not. donkeys don't speak. more than likely, Balaam heard the angel of the Lord calling Balaam on his stuff. or, the Lord spoke thru the angel letting Balaam think his own donkey was speaking.

interesting note: when Balaam heard the donkey speaking, he was neither surprised nor scared.

i will answer the rest of these, give me a few minutes to put it together.
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Please don't bother to answer my questions if you are going to be giving me quotes from the Christian Broadcasting network. REALLY??? Are you seriously this stupid? I am not gullible. I do not fall for this bullshit. Are you saying that the Bible is telling lies because I am pretty sure that they dictated the entire conversation that this donkey had with Balaam. You can make excuses like this for every single story in the Bible but then you can't say that you take anything literally. Hell would not be literal. Heaven would not be literal. Angels would not be literal. Satan and God would not be literal. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe is literal and what is fiction. YOu can't pretend the Bible is some bowl of fruit and just pick the interpretations you want to pick and leave the sour grapes behind.
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Read what it says. Jephthah DID WITH HER what he had vowed. You are interpreting the Bible the way YOU want to. He VOWED to God that he would sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house. His daughter asked if she could go away with her companions to lament her own DEATH. She would never have children and she would never know a man. When she came home, her father did what he had vowed. He killed her. Read it again, closely.
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yep, and the vow was to cut off the possibility of continuing his bloodline. period.

there was no murder of his daughter.

here, read this. it is a nice analysis of this topic

[link to www.tektonics.org]
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Let's face it. You are in the business of making excuses for this God you worship. YOU KNOW that he killed his daughter and yet you listen to some charlatan who makes up a story about why they think this didn't happen. You are delusional. Why did God send 42 bears to kill kids who made fun of a prophets bald head? Let me guess, you have made up some excuse for God about this one too. Well, YOU haven't made up the excuse but you are really, really good at cut and paste. Why don't you try reading the bible yourself instead of listening to your professors or charlatans who are making a quick buck off of your gullibility.
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you are grasping now.
the worst thing that Japhthah faced by not keeping his public vow was paying the money involved.

you have facts facing you and you refuse to look at them. why should i type all day when it is already typed up nicely in my archives?

you are the one making excuses. i am bringing facts. but, you refuse to look at them. you keep throwing totally incorrect things out there, and i keep coming back with the truth.

whatever, man.
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it wasn't dirt, it was materials from the earth which made the physical body that houses the spirit. it wasn't a rib. the actual translations say material from adam's side. rib? maybe. more like genetic material.

if we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? there is not one shred, not one iota of evidence that proves man evolved from apes. actually, the evidence falls to the contrary - that there is no possible way that man evolved from apes. if man evolved from any animal, the ape is the most unlikely candidate. the reason why they can't find the missing link is because there isn't one.

three men did not live in a furnace, they walked thru it. go and google what furnaces looked like back then.

i can go all day. bring it.
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You really need to study evolution as opposed to theology. It is apparent that you are learning these things from Christian college studies. Evolution is about learning new things every day. Creationists have been rehashing the same old garbage since the 60s. It is silly and scientists laugh at it. Man did not actually evolve from an ape. Each species evolved separately and if you had ever actually studied evolution, you would know this. If you ask why there are still apes, you really need to STUDY evolution? I don't know all that there is to know because I didn't take a college course in evolution. Yet, if you talk to any evolutionary biologist, they can answer all your questions. Try it sometime.

You say that the men walked through a furnace? Okay, I'll give you that one. I wonder why these men were so scared then? If it was no big deal to walk through this furnace, why is it explained as a miracle in the Bible?

So how did the donkey talk using human language? What excuse can you come up with for for that one? How did the sun stand still so some man could win a battle? How did the sun go backwards in another Scripture verse. Remember, you can't use "God did it" in these cases. You have to explain these things using fact, not fiction.

Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter? If God accepts human sacrificies, then why do you think that the pagans are wrong. Their Gods also accepted human and animal sacrifices, and so does your God. Why can't God just forgive us himself? Why did he need the blood sacrifice called Jesus? How could a big star up in the sky lead anyone to a stable? Why is there no historical account of the dead people who came out of their graves after Jesus died, and why is this unbelievable incident only mentioned ONCE in the Bible? What did these zombies say about the afterlife? Why is that not recorded ANYWHERE except for the Bible? You would think a story like that one would be broadcast around the world by all kinds of people not involved in the Xian faith? How did the kangaroo end up on the ark? Australia was always a segregated land mass. Could it be possible that the animals evolved differently in Australia.

How did Samson catch 300 foxes and tie all their tails together. Then how did he prop torches between all their tails and then let them all loose so they could burn up some fields? THen how did Samson kill 1,000 men with a donkey jawbone? Remember, you can't use "God did it." Oh, I could go on and on but I will wait until you answer some of these questions including how a man could live in the belly of a fish for three days.
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because, when they were inside the furnace, everything that is in there is completely incinerated. they were spared supernaturally.

the university that i attend is not only Christian studies. For example, I am studying the philosophies right now. Prior to that was a history class of the religious worldviews since the dawn of time. Christianity was a small chapter in that semester.

the talking donkey of Balaam is a really interesting story. but, it is important to keep it in context. Balaam was made into a fool because he abused the gifts that God gave him. Balaam was angry with the donkey and while he was stuck facing the opposite direction, he thinks he hears his own donkey speak to him. when he turns around, he sees the angel of the Lord with his sword drawn.

did the donkey actually speak? well, nobody heard it except Balaam, so probably not. donkeys don't speak. more than likely, Balaam heard the angel of the Lord calling Balaam on his stuff. or, the Lord spoke thru the angel letting Balaam think his own donkey was speaking.

interesting note: when Balaam heard the donkey speaking, he was neither surprised nor scared.

i will answer the rest of these, give me a few minutes to put it together.
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Please don't bother to answer my questions if you are going to be giving me quotes from the Christian Broadcasting network. REALLY??? Are you seriously this stupid? I am not gullible. I do not fall for this bullshit. Are you saying that the Bible is telling lies because I am pretty sure that they dictated the entire conversation that this donkey had with Balaam. You can make excuses like this for every single story in the Bible but then you can't say that you take anything literally. Hell would not be literal. Heaven would not be literal. Angels would not be literal. Satan and God would not be literal. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe is literal and what is fiction. YOu can't pretend the Bible is some bowl of fruit and just pick the interpretations you want to pick and leave the sour grapes behind.
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christian broadcasting network?
i am done wasting my time and effort on somebody that is this insulting.

do you really think that millions of students and scholars, over a span of hundreds upon hundreds of years are gullable and ignorant, but you have a solid standing?

gimme a break.

i am done with this. dusting the sand from my shoes and moving on.

i made an effort. i feel good about it.
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AND think about Abraham. If he didn't think his God would accept sacrifices, why did he take his son to the mountain and attempt to kill him? If God wouldn't be the type of God to accept human sacrifices, Abraham would have said, "Wait a minute. My God would never require me to sacrifice my own son. Only Satan would do that." But what did Abraham do? He took his son to the mountain and held a knife to his throat. STop telling lies. It is very unbecoming.
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don't forget the rest of the story.

abraham became the father of an enormous nation with millions of descendants of God's people.

big hoss, big cross.

it was a TEST of his faith. nothing short of what God did Himself.

his son was spared.
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I knew you would say that, before I even read it. You are taking what I said out of context, exactly what you do to the Bible. I asked you WHY Abraham would believe that it was the voice of God he was hearing? If you heard a voice in your head today, asking you to take your child to the mountain and kill him/her, would you do it? Or would you think it was some evil entity that was asking you to do this? You would NEVER do this because you wouldn't believe that God would ask you to sacrifice your own child? BUT...Abraham went along with this because he BELIEVED his God was capable of asking for a human sacrifice. NOW do you understand?????
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nope, Abraham believed that God would spare his son.
Abraham already spoke to God on a lot of things.
Read the entire thing. it is not so simple is to pluck one small portion out of a giant epic.
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Oh yeah, he KNEW God would spare his son. That is why he scared the shit out of the poor kid and took him to a mountain and put a knife to his neck. But God did accept the animal sacrifice of a goat or some other animal because, we all know, God loves the smell of roasted meat. Grow up, please. Your God is not real. You can make excuses just like the Mormon would tell me that Joseph Smith got some magic tablets from an angel. You have been brainwashed and I feel sorry for you. Don't you ever want to believe TRUTH?
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You really need to study evolution as opposed to theology. It is apparent that you are learning these things from Christian college studies. Evolution is about learning new things every day. Creationists have been rehashing the same old garbage since the 60s. It is silly and scientists laugh at it. Man did not actually evolve from an ape. Each species evolved separately and if you had ever actually studied evolution, you would know this. If you ask why there are still apes, you really need to STUDY evolution? I don't know all that there is to know because I didn't take a college course in evolution. Yet, if you talk to any evolutionary biologist, they can answer all your questions. Try it sometime.

You say that the men walked through a furnace? Okay, I'll give you that one. I wonder why these men were so scared then? If it was no big deal to walk through this furnace, why is it explained as a miracle in the Bible?

So how did the donkey talk using human language? What excuse can you come up with for for that one? How did the sun stand still so some man could win a battle? How did the sun go backwards in another Scripture verse. Remember, you can't use "God did it" in these cases. You have to explain these things using fact, not fiction.

Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter? If God accepts human sacrificies, then why do you think that the pagans are wrong. Their Gods also accepted human and animal sacrifices, and so does your God. Why can't God just forgive us himself? Why did he need the blood sacrifice called Jesus? How could a big star up in the sky lead anyone to a stable? Why is there no historical account of the dead people who came out of their graves after Jesus died, and why is this unbelievable incident only mentioned ONCE in the Bible? What did these zombies say about the afterlife? Why is that not recorded ANYWHERE except for the Bible? You would think a story like that one would be broadcast around the world by all kinds of people not involved in the Xian faith? How did the kangaroo end up on the ark? Australia was always a segregated land mass. Could it be possible that the animals evolved differently in Australia.

How did Samson catch 300 foxes and tie all their tails together. Then how did he prop torches between all their tails and then let them all loose so they could burn up some fields? THen how did Samson kill 1,000 men with a donkey jawbone? Remember, you can't use "God did it." Oh, I could go on and on but I will wait until you answer some of these questions including how a man could live in the belly of a fish for three days.
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because, when they were inside the furnace, everything that is in there is completely incinerated. they were spared supernaturally.

the university that i attend is not only Christian studies. For example, I am studying the philosophies right now. Prior to that was a history class of the religious worldviews since the dawn of time. Christianity was a small chapter in that semester.

the talking donkey of Balaam is a really interesting story. but, it is important to keep it in context. Balaam was made into a fool because he abused the gifts that God gave him. Balaam was angry with the donkey and while he was stuck facing the opposite direction, he thinks he hears his own donkey speak to him. when he turns around, he sees the angel of the Lord with his sword drawn.

did the donkey actually speak? well, nobody heard it except Balaam, so probably not. donkeys don't speak. more than likely, Balaam heard the angel of the Lord calling Balaam on his stuff. or, the Lord spoke thru the angel letting Balaam think his own donkey was speaking.

interesting note: when Balaam heard the donkey speaking, he was neither surprised nor scared.

i will answer the rest of these, give me a few minutes to put it together.
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Please don't bother to answer my questions if you are going to be giving me quotes from the Christian Broadcasting network. REALLY??? Are you seriously this stupid? I am not gullible. I do not fall for this bullshit. Are you saying that the Bible is telling lies because I am pretty sure that they dictated the entire conversation that this donkey had with Balaam. You can make excuses like this for every single story in the Bible but then you can't say that you take anything literally. Hell would not be literal. Heaven would not be literal. Angels would not be literal. Satan and God would not be literal. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe is literal and what is fiction. YOu can't pretend the Bible is some bowl of fruit and just pick the interpretations you want to pick and leave the sour grapes behind.
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christian broadcasting network?
i am done wasting my time and effort on somebody that is this insulting.

do you really think that millions of students and scholars, over a span of hundreds upon hundreds of years are gullable and ignorant, but you have a solid standing?

gimme a break.

i am done with this. dusting the sand from my shoes and moving on.

i made an effort. i feel good about it.
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Yeah, typical Christian, when the going gets tough, the Christian gets going. Run away from this debate. It only proves to me that I won. Thanks for the win.
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don't forget the rest of the story.

abraham became the father of an enormous nation with millions of descendants of God's people.

big hoss, big cross.

it was a TEST of his faith. nothing short of what God did Himself.

his son was spared.
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I knew you would say that, before I even read it. You are taking what I said out of context, exactly what you do to the Bible. I asked you WHY Abraham would believe that it was the voice of God he was hearing? If you heard a voice in your head today, asking you to take your child to the mountain and kill him/her, would you do it? Or would you think it was some evil entity that was asking you to do this? You would NEVER do this because you wouldn't believe that God would ask you to sacrifice your own child? BUT...Abraham went along with this because he BELIEVED his God was capable of asking for a human sacrifice. NOW do you understand?????
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nope, Abraham believed that God would spare his son.
Abraham already spoke to God on a lot of things.
Read the entire thing. it is not so simple is to pluck one small portion out of a giant epic.
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Oh yeah, he KNEW God would spare his son. That is why he scared the shit out of the poor kid and took him to a mountain and put a knife to his neck. But God did accept the animal sacrifice of a goat or some other animal because, we all know, God loves the smell of roasted meat. Grow up, please. Your God is not real. You can make excuses just like the Mormon would tell me that Joseph Smith got some magic tablets from an angel. You have been brainwashed and I feel sorry for you. Don't you ever want to believe TRUTH?
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the son had no idea of what was going on.
look darlin, you are grasping and up way past your bedtime.
stick to your slime theory and let's call it a day.
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because, when they were inside the furnace, everything that is in there is completely incinerated. they were spared supernaturally.

the university that i attend is not only Christian studies. For example, I am studying the philosophies right now. Prior to that was a history class of the religious worldviews since the dawn of time. Christianity was a small chapter in that semester.

the talking donkey of Balaam is a really interesting story. but, it is important to keep it in context. Balaam was made into a fool because he abused the gifts that God gave him. Balaam was angry with the donkey and while he was stuck facing the opposite direction, he thinks he hears his own donkey speak to him. when he turns around, he sees the angel of the Lord with his sword drawn.

did the donkey actually speak? well, nobody heard it except Balaam, so probably not. donkeys don't speak. more than likely, Balaam heard the angel of the Lord calling Balaam on his stuff. or, the Lord spoke thru the angel letting Balaam think his own donkey was speaking.

interesting note: when Balaam heard the donkey speaking, he was neither surprised nor scared.

i will answer the rest of these, give me a few minutes to put it together.
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Please don't bother to answer my questions if you are going to be giving me quotes from the Christian Broadcasting network. REALLY??? Are you seriously this stupid? I am not gullible. I do not fall for this bullshit. Are you saying that the Bible is telling lies because I am pretty sure that they dictated the entire conversation that this donkey had with Balaam. You can make excuses like this for every single story in the Bible but then you can't say that you take anything literally. Hell would not be literal. Heaven would not be literal. Angels would not be literal. Satan and God would not be literal. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe is literal and what is fiction. YOu can't pretend the Bible is some bowl of fruit and just pick the interpretations you want to pick and leave the sour grapes behind.
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christian broadcasting network?
i am done wasting my time and effort on somebody that is this insulting.

do you really think that millions of students and scholars, over a span of hundreds upon hundreds of years are gullable and ignorant, but you have a solid standing?

gimme a break.

i am done with this. dusting the sand from my shoes and moving on.

i made an effort. i feel good about it.
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Yeah, typical Christian, when the going gets tough, the Christian gets going. Run away from this debate. It only proves to me that I won. Thanks for the win.
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you do realize you are hijacking OPs thread, right?
rude. really rude.
if you want to continue debating. feel free to PM me or start another thread.

thanks in advance.
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Why did God accept a human sacrifice in the form of Jepthath's daughter?
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japhthah did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.

the daughter was the only means of continuing the family line.

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Judges 11:38-40
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, [That] the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

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Read what it says. Jephthah DID WITH HER what he had vowed. You are interpreting the Bible the way YOU want to. He VOWED to God that he would sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house. His daughter asked if she could go away with her companions to lament her own DEATH. She would never have children and she would never know a man. When she came home, her father did what he had vowed. He killed her. Read it again, closely.
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I have to wonder why you "conveniently" left out the part where Jepthath said he would sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house if God would let him win his battle? I think that part is quite important, but I guess you can just quote the Scripture verses you like. I think the Bible says that people like you go to hell for subtracting from Scripture. You try to make God a nice guy when he really is a demonic creature. Hope you have fun in heaven. LOL
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japhthah did not murder the daughter. he would not allow her to marry or know a man. she weeped over her virginity.

the daughter was the only means of continuing the family line.

EDIT:

Judges 11:38-40
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, [That] the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

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Read what it says. Jephthah DID WITH HER what he had vowed. You are interpreting the Bible the way YOU want to. He VOWED to God that he would sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house. His daughter asked if she could go away with her companions to lament her own DEATH. She would never have children and she would never know a man. When she came home, her father did what he had vowed. He killed her. Read it again, closely.
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I have to wonder why you "conveniently" left out the part where Jepthath said he would sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house if God would let him win his battle? I think that part is quite important, but I guess you can just quote the Scripture verses you like. I think the Bible says that people like you go to hell for subtracting from Scripture. You try to make God a nice guy when he really is a demonic creature. Hope you have fun in heaven. LOL
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do you have a clear understanding of the specifics in the sacrifices?

until you know this, let it go.

there were completely different sacrifices for sons and daughters, employees, etc. it was a money system.

there were never burnt offerings made for daughters, never.

i don't believe in Hell, btw.
but, that is another long conversation.
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Please don't bother to answer my questions if you are going to be giving me quotes from the Christian Broadcasting network. REALLY??? Are you seriously this stupid? I am not gullible. I do not fall for this bullshit. Are you saying that the Bible is telling lies because I am pretty sure that they dictated the entire conversation that this donkey had with Balaam. You can make excuses like this for every single story in the Bible but then you can't say that you take anything literally. Hell would not be literal. Heaven would not be literal. Angels would not be literal. Satan and God would not be literal. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe is literal and what is fiction. YOu can't pretend the Bible is some bowl of fruit and just pick the interpretations you want to pick and leave the sour grapes behind.
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christian broadcasting network?
i am done wasting my time and effort on somebody that is this insulting.

do you really think that millions of students and scholars, over a span of hundreds upon hundreds of years are gullable and ignorant, but you have a solid standing?

gimme a break.

i am done with this. dusting the sand from my shoes and moving on.

i made an effort. i feel good about it.
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Yeah, typical Christian, when the going gets tough, the Christian gets going. Run away from this debate. It only proves to me that I won. Thanks for the win.
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you do realize you are hijacking OPs thread, right?
rude. really rude.
if you want to continue debating. feel free to PM me or start another thread.

thanks in advance.
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Well, sorry if I hijacked a thread. I think that the discussion on the atheist billboards is sort of dried up, or at least I thought so. I don't feel like debating you because it is impossible to debate a Christian. If you could use logic or reason with a Christian, there would be no Christians. Thanks for trying to save my soul. I am sure you earned a few brownie points with God, according to you.
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christian broadcasting network?
i am done wasting my time and effort on somebody that is this insulting.

do you really think that millions of students and scholars, over a span of hundreds upon hundreds of years are gullable and ignorant, but you have a solid standing?

gimme a break.

i am done with this. dusting the sand from my shoes and moving on.

i made an effort. i feel good about it.
 Quoting: Salt

Yeah, typical Christian, when the going gets tough, the Christian gets going. Run away from this debate. It only proves to me that I won. Thanks for the win.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


you do realize you are hijacking OPs thread, right?
rude. really rude.
if you want to continue debating. feel free to PM me or start another thread.

thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Salt

Well, sorry if I hijacked a thread. I think that the discussion on the atheist billboards is sort of dried up, or at least I thought so. I don't feel like debating you because it is impossible to debate a Christian. If you could use logic or reason with a Christian, there would be no Christians. Thanks for trying to save my soul. I am sure you earned a few brownie points with God, according to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


i am not here to "save" anybody. not my job, nor my responsibility, nor anything i am capable of.

only God can open your heart.