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aether User ID: 22367360 United Kingdom 08/21/2012 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts At the Sea of the Passage the Israelite tribes saw the water drawn aside and heaped up in a double tide; and, after they crossed, the waters of the Mediterranean fell and broke into the Red Sea ina great wave. “It was an unusual event,” writes Dr. Velikovsky, “and because it was unusual it became the most impressive recollection in the long history of this people. All peoples and nations were blasted by the same fire and shattered in the same fury. The tribes of Israel on the shore of a sea found in this annihilation their salvation from bondage. They escaped destruction but their oppressors perished before their eyes. They extolled their Creator, took upon themselves the burden of moral rules, and considered themselves chosen for a great destiny.” Quoting: observationHere is what Dr. Velikovsky’s description of the pageant that took place in the sky: When the tidal waves reached their highest point, and the seas were torn apart, a tremendous spark flew between the earth and the globe of the comet, which instantly pushed down the miles-high billows. Meanwhile, the tail of the comet and its head, having become entangled with each other by their close contact with the earth, exchanged violent discharges of electricity. It looked like a battle between the brilliant globe and the dark column of smoke. In the exchange of electrical potentials, the tail and the head were attracted one to the other and repelled one from the other. From the serpent like tail extensions grew, and it lost the form of a column. It now looked like a furious animal with legs and many heads. The discharges tore the column to pieces, a process that was accompanied by the brilliant globe buried in the sea, or wherever the meteorites fell. The gases of the tail subsequently enveloped the earth. [link to tmgnow.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/21/2012 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts At the Sea of the Passage the Israelite tribes saw the water drawn aside and heaped up in a double tide; and, after they crossed, the waters of the Mediterranean fell and broke into the Red Sea ina great wave. “It was an unusual event,” writes Dr. Velikovsky, “and because it was unusual it became the most impressive recollection in the long history of this people. All peoples and nations were blasted by the same fire and shattered in the same fury. The tribes of Israel on the shore of a sea found in this annihilation their salvation from bondage. They escaped destruction but their oppressors perished before their eyes. They extolled their Creator, took upon themselves the burden of moral rules, and considered themselves chosen for a great destiny.” Quoting: observationHere is what Dr. Velikovsky’s description of the pageant that took place in the sky: When the tidal waves reached their highest point, and the seas were torn apart, a tremendous spark flew between the earth and the globe of the comet, which instantly pushed down the miles-high billows. Meanwhile, the tail of the comet and its head, having become entangled with each other by their close contact with the earth, exchanged violent discharges of electricity. It looked like a battle between the brilliant globe and the dark column of smoke. In the exchange of electrical potentials, the tail and the head were attracted one to the other and repelled one from the other. From the serpent like tail extensions grew, and it lost the form of a column. It now looked like a furious animal with legs and many heads. The discharges tore the column to pieces, a process that was accompanied by the brilliant globe buried in the sea, or wherever the meteorites fell. The gases of the tail subsequently enveloped the earth. [link to tmgnow.com] nice |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/21/2012 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts At the Sea of the Passage the Israelite tribes saw the water drawn aside and heaped up in a double tide; and, after they crossed, the waters of the Mediterranean fell and broke into the Red Sea ina great wave. “It was an unusual event,” writes Dr. Velikovsky, “and because it was unusual it became the most impressive recollection in the long history of this people. All peoples and nations were blasted by the same fire and shattered in the same fury. The tribes of Israel on the shore of a sea found in this annihilation their salvation from bondage. They escaped destruction but their oppressors perished before their eyes. They extolled their Creator, took upon themselves the burden of moral rules, and considered themselves chosen for a great destiny.” Quoting: observationHere is what Dr. Velikovsky’s description of the pageant that took place in the sky: When the tidal waves reached their highest point, and the seas were torn apart, a tremendous spark flew between the earth and the globe of the comet, which instantly pushed down the miles-high billows. Meanwhile, the tail of the comet and its head, having become entangled with each other by their close contact with the earth, exchanged violent discharges of electricity. It looked like a battle between the brilliant globe and the dark column of smoke. In the exchange of electrical potentials, the tail and the head were attracted one to the other and repelled one from the other. From the serpent like tail extensions grew, and it lost the form of a column. It now looked like a furious animal with legs and many heads. The discharges tore the column to pieces, a process that was accompanied by the brilliant globe buried in the sea, or wherever the meteorites fell. The gases of the tail subsequently enveloped the earth. [link to tmgnow.com] imagine if we saw that today? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/21/2012 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts The comet, at the first of the two meetings reconstructed in Worlds in Collision, touched the earth with its gaseous tail, and one of the first signs of the encounter was a rain of fine, rusty pigment. The world turned red. “All the waters that were in the river,” reads the Book of Exodus, “were turned to blood.” The Manuscript Quiche’ of the Mayas tells of the rivers turning to blood, and so does the Papyrus Ipuwer of the Egyptians. Then, as the story continues in the Visuddhi-Magga of the Buddhists, the fine dust turned to coarse dust, “and then fine sand, and then coarse sand, and then grit, stones, up to boulders as large... as mighty trees on the hilltops.” And with the shower of meteorites the earth stopped turning. It came to rest so faced to the sun that a long night, darkened by the cosmic refuse sweeping in from interplanetary space, fell on Europe, Africa, the Americas, and the valleys of the Euphrates and the Indus. The Babylonians, the tribes of the Sudan, the Finns, the Greeks, the Peruvians, and the American Indians all have traditions of a long night accompanying a catastrophe which the earth did not survive. Further east, the Iranians saw the sun suspended several days in the sky. In china, it is said that in the reign of the Emperor Yahou the sun did not set for a number of days and all the forests burned. We suppose that if the earth stopped turning it would destroy itself, as HG Wells imagined it would when his “man who could work miracles” commanded the same act. Our idea of momentum - and the Law of Gravitation, about which Dr. Velikovsky has much to say - leads us to assume that the earth’s surface would fly onward in the direction of its rotation and be torn apart. A great global catastrophe, with seas and continents changing their places,is in fact described in the traditions of mankind. The world gave every sign to its inhabitants of being on the brink of destruction. Approached by the body of the comet, the earth was forced out of its regular motion; a major shock convulsed its entire surface. The major shift in the atmosphere caused by the approach of the comet and the stasis of the planet, itself produced hurricanes of enormous velocity and force. “The face of the earth changed,” writes Dr. Velikovsky, summarizing the Mayan account from the Manuscript Troano, “mountains collapsed, other mountains grew and rose over the onrushing cataract of water driven from the oceanic spaces, numberless rivers lost their beds, and a wild tornado moved through the debris descending from the sky.” The human population was decimated and many species of animals perished entirely. The surface of the earth burst. Three Mexican manuscripts tell how everywhere in the Western hemisphere new mountains came into being. New volcanos opened and fissures in the flat land threw forth fire and smoke and liquid basalt. The rivers steamed and the sea boiled. The Zendi-Avesta of the Persians says that a star made the sea boil. The Polynesians say that a star caused new islands to appear. It was the tenth plague of Egypt, the night of Passover, when the Lord passed over the huts of the Israelites and struck the mansions of the Egyptians (the light rush houses would survive and earthquake more easily than heavy stone ones). “There was not a house where there was not one dead,” says the Book of Exodus, and St. Jerome wrote that “in the night in which Exodus took place, all the temples of Egypt were destroyed either by an earth shock or by the thunderbolt.” The head of the comet cam close to the earth, breaking through the darkness of the dust cloud, and the Hebrew tradition tells that the last night of the jewish people in Egypt was as bright as the noon of the summer solstice. [link to tmgnow.com] |
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alexisj9 User ID: 1376880 United Kingdom 08/21/2012 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts Multiple accounts of a similar occurrence from around the globe... the sun wasn't the one slowing to a crawl or standing still, it was the earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530804 exactly or it wasnt the sun at all but some huge-ass comet Just wondering how that would make it night to long on the night side of the earth? surly it would it can't shine like the sun and block light from the sun at the same time, wouldn't work. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/21/2012 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts Multiple accounts of a similar occurrence from around the globe... the sun wasn't the one slowing to a crawl or standing still, it was the earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530804 exactly or it wasnt the sun at all but some huge-ass comet Just wondering how that would make it night to long on the night side of the earth? surly it would it can't shine like the sun and block light from the sun at the same time, wouldn't work. true. i guess i didn't think of that. all of the accounts speak of the sun AND the moon standing still. we know this to mean the earth was still. it amazes me that we didn't go flying off the globe into outer space. |
Life and Love User ID: 18613580 United States 08/21/2012 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts Multiple accounts of a similar occurrence from around the globe... the sun wasn't the one slowing to a crawl or standing still, it was the earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530804 exactly or it wasnt the sun at all but some huge-ass comet Just wondering how that would make it night to long on the night side of the earth? surly it would it can't shine like the sun and block light from the sun at the same time, wouldn't work. Or perhaps - speculating here - it wasn't a planetary body whose radiance could be shadowed but an energy field in which the earth was immersed without shadowing. Ancient civilizations would only have the sun as an explanation, so they said, "Why, the sun must have stood still." We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/21/2012 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts Just wondering how that would make it night to long on the night side of the earth? surly it would it can't shine like the sun and block light from the sun at the same time, wouldn't work. Or perhaps - speculating here - it wasn't a planetary body whose radiance could be shadowed but an energy field in which the earth was immersed without shadowing. Ancient civilizations would only have the sun as an explanation, so they said, "Why, the sun must have stood still." interesting. but this is a bit over my head. can you explain more about the energy field and shadowing |
Life and Love User ID: 18613580 United States 08/21/2012 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts Just wondering how that would make it night to long on the night side of the earth? surly it would it can't shine like the sun and block light from the sun at the same time, wouldn't work. Or perhaps - speculating here - it wasn't a planetary body whose radiance could be shadowed but an energy field in which the earth was immersed without shadowing. Ancient civilizations would only have the sun as an explanation, so they said, "Why, the sun must have stood still." interesting. but this is a bit over my head. can you explain more about the energy field and shadowing Light is energy at a very short wavelength (high frequency) and can be blocked by a solid object. (Never perfectly, as some light will diffract around the edges.) And so we have day (illuminated by the sun) and night (shadowed from the sun). Other energy types may not have this property or at least not be as susceptible to it. (For example, I have hit my head so hard that I "saw" bright "stars," which had nothing to do with light radiation.) If that were so, then an immense amount of this energy might be perceived by humans as extremely bright. Since the only frame of reference that ancients had for a "bright light" was the sun, it would be natural to attribute this perceived brightness to a "sun," and if that sensation was to occur over several days, then it would be because "the sun stood still." Again, I'm just speculating out loud. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/21/2012 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts Why the Sun Stood Still A Preview by Fulton Oursler of Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky�s Sensational New Book, 1950: �WORLDS IN COLLISION, Published in 1950� Velikovsky Believed that "Joshua's Long Day" actually occurred due to the evidence provided by the number of similar stories documenting the occurrence from around the world and from many cultures. He simply believes that there was a natural explanation for what the Bible claims was miraculous...(Having A Form of Godliness, But Denying It's Power, 2 Tim 3)... We don't believe that there is a natural explanation for these events but recognize that they would have been witnessed in some form worldwide....s8int.com Of �Worlds In Collision�* Clifton Fadiman has said: �It may well turn out to be as epochal as The Origin of the Species of Darwin or the Principia of Newton.� In the light of its new deductions and speculations. Dr. Gordon A. Atwater, chairman and curator of the Hayden planetarium of the American Museum of Natural History, suggests that �the underpinning of modern science can now be re-examined�; and John J. O�Neill, science editor of the New York Herald Tribune, declares: �This magnificent piece of scholarly research raises world history to a level of superlative interest.� The author of this exciting new volume, Russian-born Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky, studied natural sciences at Edinburgh University, history, law and medicine (M.D.) in Moscow, biology in Berlin, the working brain in Zurich, psychoanalysis in Vienna. He came to this country in 1939. Worlds In Collision has been written after ten years of extensive research in which the author consulted with scholars and specialists all over the world. About 25 years ago, a small-town schoolmaster in Tennessee told his boys about Darwin�s theory of evolution. For this violation of a state law which forbade instruction contrary to the Bible, the teacher was arrested, and the world sat back to watch one of history�s most extraordinary trials. Called to the witness box as defender of the faith was a three-times candidate for the Presidency, William Jennings Bryan. The defender of John T Scopes, the schoolteacher, was Clarence Darrow, eminent agnostic. Furiously Darrow attacked the wonder tales of the Bible, cross-examined Bryan as a believer in myths and fairy tales. �Mr. Bryan, do you believe that Joshua made the sun stand still?� �Mr. Darrow, I do!��Wouldn�t have been the earth itself that stood still? An if that is what you believe, don�t you believe that if the earth ever stopped turning it would be converted into a molten mass of matter?� The indignant Darrow seemed to be speaking with exact knowledge. But science is never so dogmatic. A quarter of a century after the Scopes trial, a scientist is publishing a book declaring that within historical times the earth did pause in its daily rotation, and that for more than a day the sun remained visible over Joshua and his troops. While this is only incidental to the author�s purpose, the book tends to confirm the Bible in other miraculous accounts; familiar tales of wonder emerge not as myths but as accurate reporting of actual events. The savant who raises these possibilities, Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky, calls his book Worlds In Collision. As Darwin did, he sets up certain original hypotheses, and buttresses them with impressive scholarship. Like a detective among the sciences, (archaeology, paleontology, geology, astronomy, psychology, anthropology, physics) he has put together by deductive reasoning a chain of circumstantial evidence that may deeply affect the world of thinking men. The links of his reasoning are forged out of the history and literature of ancient and modern tribes and nations from all over the earth. Text and footnotes sparkle with confirming data from the Bible and the Talmud, from Egyptian papyri, Babylonian astronomical tablets, Mayan and Aztec calendars, from the folklore of Arabia, India, North America, Tibet, China, Peru. The tale of the sun standing still illustrates one of his principal methods for getting at the facts. Clearly if the sun �hasted not to go down about a whole day� the phenomenon could not have been merely a local spectacle. The whole area of the earth had to be affected: if the sun hung in the morning sky over Gibeon, then elsewhere in the world twilight or darkness was prolonged for the same period. Dr. Velikovsky produces records from all over the earth which agree as to the time and as to the altered portions of daylight and dark in each area. Similarly concerted testimony repeats itself again and again in other wonder stories. For every such incident which he analyzes, Dr. Velikovsky quotes dozens, scores, even hundreds of confirmations. For the Bible�s most incredible story - the standing still of the moon and sun while Joshua routed the foe - there is worldwide evidence. says Dr. Velikovsky at the start of a long series of citations: �Allowing for the difference in longitude, it must have been early morning or night in the Western Hemisphere. We go to the books with the historical traditions of the aborigines of Central America. In the Mexican Annuls of Cuauhtitlan -- the history of the empire of Clohuacan and Mexico, written in Nahua-Indian (Nahuatl) -- it is related that during a cosmic catastrophe that occurred in the remote past the night did not end for a long time. We could follow a path around the earth and inquire into the various traditions concerning a prolonged night and prolonged day, with sun and moon absent or tarrying at different points along the zodiac.� for the rest of the article: [link to s8int.com] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/22/2012 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts Multiple accounts of a similar occurrence from around the globe... the sun wasn't the one slowing to a crawl or standing still, it was the earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530804 exactly if the earth's revolution stopped, we would plunge straight for the sun. Simple physics. not if some freaky electro-magnetic thing was going on from the coment? |
Life and Love User ID: 1164971 United States 08/22/2012 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts Multiple accounts of a similar occurrence from around the globe... the sun wasn't the one slowing to a crawl or standing still, it was the earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2530804 exactly if the earth's revolution stopped, we would plunge straight for the sun. Simple physics. not if some freaky electro-magnetic thing was going on from the coment? I don't think that AC actually understands "simple physics." After all, the moon does not revolve on its axis like the earth does, and the moon doesn't plunge into the earth (at least not that I've noticed.) We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/22/2012 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts if the earth's revolution stopped, we would plunge straight for the sun. Simple physics. not if some freaky electro-magnetic thing was going on from the coment? I don't think that AC actually understands "simple physics." After all, the moon does not revolve on its axis like the earth does, and the moon doesn't plunge into the earth (at least not that I've noticed.) hmmm.... because all of the accounts say that it was one full day (or near it) and nobody moved off the surface. |
Life and Love User ID: 1164971 United States 08/22/2012 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7815603 if the earth's revolution stopped, we would plunge straight for the sun. Simple physics. not if some freaky electro-magnetic thing was going on from the coment? I don't think that AC actually understands "simple physics." After all, the moon does not revolve on its axis like the earth does, and the moon doesn't plunge into the earth (at least not that I've noticed.) hmmm.... because all of the accounts say that it was one full day (or near it) and nobody moved off the surface. Well, the "simple physics" that do apply have nothing to do with the earth plunging into the sun but with the impossibility of the earth suddenly stopped spinning on its axis. That's why I am attracted to the "energy appearing as bright as the sun" hypothesis. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 08/22/2012 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Sun REALLY stand still (Book of Joshua)? Historical Writings from NON-BIBLICAL worldwide accounts I don't think that AC actually understands "simple physics." After all, the moon does not revolve on its axis like the earth does, and the moon doesn't plunge into the earth (at least not that I've noticed.) hmmm.... because all of the accounts say that it was one full day (or near it) and nobody moved off the surface. Well, the "simple physics" that do apply have nothing to do with the earth plunging into the sun but with the impossibility of the earth suddenly stopped spinning on its axis. That's why I am attracted to the "energy appearing as bright as the sun" hypothesis. i hear what you are saying, and i know you have a doctorate in your field. but, the accounts say that they saw the moon standing still as well. |