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(AFP) / 22 August 2012

WASHINGTON — The Arctic ice cap is melting at a startlingly rapid rate and may shrink to its smallest-ever level within weeks as the planet’s temperatures rise, US scientists said Tuesday.

Researchers at the University of Colorado at Boulder said that the summer ice in the Arctic was already nearing its lowest level recorded, even though the summer melt season is not yet over.

“The numbers are coming in and we are looking at them with a sense of amazement,” said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the university.

“If the melt were to just suddenly stop today, we would be at the third lowest in the satellite record. We’ve still got another two weeks of melt to go, so I think we’re very likely to set a new record,” he told AFP.

[link to www.khaleejtimes.com]

[link to phys.org]

[link to in.news.yahoo.com]

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

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Re: Arctic cap on course for record melt
Animation for last 70 days ..

[link to arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu]

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Archive of daily polar sea ice cap concentrations (1979 - present)

[link to arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu]

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08.20.2012

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Great news!
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Great news!
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huh
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Great news!
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huh
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If only the Arctic would remain free of ice, it would open up new routes for navigation, and make it easier to drill for the Arctic's undersea oil.

A warmer world is just what we need.
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Global near surface air temperatures.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Tropospheric temperature

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This image compares ten reconstructed tard temperature studies covering last 2000 years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Temperature estimates relative to today from over 800,000 years of the EPICA ice cores in Antarctica. Today's date is on the right side of the graph.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Great news!
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huh
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If only the Arctic would remain free of ice, it would open up new routes for navigation, and make it easier to drill for the Arctic's undersea oil.

A warmer world is just what we need.
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Try telling that to the drought stricken multitudes.
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Real problem is that these white ice caps reflect sunlight, much of which is reflected back into space, in turn cooling earth, but with the ice caps melting, the only reflector is the ocean, darker color absorbs sunlight causing further warming of the earth which can be up to 80 °C which is fatal and can cause extinction of all living organisms etc ..

So process will be much faster from what they say , and no back ..

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Great news!
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huh
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If only the Arctic would remain free of ice, it would open up new routes for navigation, and make it easier to drill for the Arctic's undersea oil.

A warmer world is just what we need.
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Warmer is better
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If the polar ice caps melted, how much would the oceans rise?


[link to science.howstuffworks.com]

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Real problem is that these white ice caps reflect sunlight, much of which is reflected back into space, in turn cooling earth, but with the ice caps melting, the only reflector is the ocean, darker color absorbs sunlight causing further warming of the earth which can be up to 80 °C which is fatal and can cause extinction of all living organisms etc ..

So process will be much faster from what they say , and no back ..
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Think this summer will be hottest and will be more to end of summer ..

Very probably we will have temperature record breaking in many areas worldwide to end of summer 2012, 2013 too ..

Also think we can't do anything to stop melt ..

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U.S. records warmest March 2012; more than 15,000 warm temperature records broken

[link to www.ncdc.noaa.gov]


After the heat, the storm: TWO MILLION without power in DC just hours after the hottest June temperatures in 80 years

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

[link to www.csmonitor.com]


July 2012 Marked the Hottest Month on Record for the Contiguous United States

[link to www.commerce.gov]

[link to www1.ncdc.noaa.gov]

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Great news!
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huh
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If only the Arctic would remain free of ice, it would open up new routes for navigation, and make it easier to drill for the Arctic's undersea oil.

A warmer world is just what we need.
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Try telling that to the drought stricken multitudes.
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There have always been droughts.
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Yes. Remember though that some people are invested in destroying the ability of humans to live on this planet.

Christians come to mind.

Their religion teaches them that they have both a right, and in some sects, a duty to end the world so that their messiah will return and take them to heaven.

The old oil and coal men know that they'll be dead when it all happens and have been told that stopping now won't save the world at all, so they're going right ahead with business as usual.

Then you have the stupid people that won't admit that anything is wrong, no matter what happens.

No amount of superstorms, largest ever droughts, years of hottest weather ever in recorded history will change their minds. They only lose by trying to change now, so they won't, just hoping that their belief is correct, even when the facts don't support it.

On the "good" side, they're largely correct.

Human life as we know it is already doomed. Inside fifty years the worlds oceans won't be able to support half the life they do today. Land animals are dying off faster than we can count, especially insects and we do not really understand how that's going to effect other species.

Oh, the world won't die, but that doesn't mean we'll exist as we are now at all.

And nothing we can do at this point will stop it from happening.

Yay.

You wanted doom? There you go folks. You got it.
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Yes. Remember though that some people are invested in destroying the ability of humans to live on this planet.

Christians come to mind.

Their religion teaches them that they have both a right, and in some sects, a duty to end the world so that their messiah will return and take them to heaven.

The old oil and coal men know that they'll be dead when it all happens and have been told that stopping now won't save the world at all, so they're going right ahead with business as usual.

Then you have the stupid people that won't admit that anything is wrong, no matter what happens.

No amount of superstorms, largest ever droughts, years of hottest weather ever in recorded history will change their minds. They only lose by trying to change now, so they won't, just hoping that their belief is correct, even when the facts don't support it.

On the "good" side, they're largely correct.

Human life as we know it is already doomed. Inside fifty years the worlds oceans won't be able to support half the life they do today. Land animals are dying off faster than we can count, especially insects and we do not really understand how that's going to effect other species.

Oh, the world won't die, but that doesn't mean we'll exist as we are now at all.

And nothing we can do at this point will stop it from happening.

Yay.

You wanted doom? There you go folks. You got it.
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Ahh, so its the Christians fault! Time to start killing them again?

Are you per chance, any relation to Nero?
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Yes. Remember though that some people are invested in destroying the ability of humans to live on this planet.

Christians come to mind.

Their religion teaches them that they have both a right, and in some sects, a duty to end the world so that their messiah will return and take them to heaven.

The old oil and coal men know that they'll be dead when it all happens and have been told that stopping now won't save the world at all, so they're going right ahead with business as usual.

Then you have the stupid people that won't admit that anything is wrong, no matter what happens.

No amount of superstorms, largest ever droughts, years of hottest weather ever in recorded history will change their minds. They only lose by trying to change now, so they won't, just hoping that their belief is correct, even when the facts don't support it.

On the "good" side, they're largely correct.

Human life as we know it is already doomed. Inside fifty years the worlds oceans won't be able to support half the life they do today. Land animals are dying off faster than we can count, especially insects and we do not really understand how that's going to effect other species.

Oh, the world won't die, but that doesn't mean we'll exist as we are now at all.

And nothing we can do at this point will stop it from happening.

Yay.

You wanted doom? There you go folks. You got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1063144



Ahh, so its the Christians fault! Time to start killing them again?

Are you per chance, any relation to Nero?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 793721


Wow, you're just wrong about everything in that statement, you know that?

Nero was a good leader torn down by detractors.

Not a relation of mine that I know of.

I'm not calling for the death or harm to Christians.
(There is no need, they're already dying. We all are. Enjoy the ride.)

Finally, I didn't say it was all their fault. They are just one of the groups with investment in letting the world burn.

I said that really clearly.

Don't try making this into a single issue. For one thing YES the Christians have done a whole lot to stop anything from being done about this problem. So are they, as a group, guilty? Yep.

If you;re a Christian and support your church, you have a big dollop of blame for this.

But you aren't alone.

A lot of people are responsible for the mess we're in now, a whole lot of them died a long time ago too.

Can't punish them for it and it wouldn't help if we did.
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Real problem is that these white ice caps reflect sunlight, much of which is reflected back into space, in turn cooling earth, but with the ice caps melting, the only reflector is the ocean, darker color absorbs sunlight causing further warming of the earth which can be up to 80 °C which is fatal and can cause extinction of all living organisms etc ..

So process will be much faster from what they say , and no back ..
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Think Polar Shift
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Yes. Remember though that some people are invested in destroying the ability of humans to live on this planet.

Christians come to mind.

Their religion teaches them that they have both a right, and in some sects, a duty to end the world so that their messiah will return and take them to heaven.

The old oil and coal men know that they'll be dead when it all happens and have been told that stopping now won't save the world at all, so they're going right ahead with business as usual.

Then you have the stupid people that won't admit that anything is wrong, no matter what happens.

No amount of superstorms, largest ever droughts, years of hottest weather ever in recorded history will change their minds. They only lose by trying to change now, so they won't, just hoping that their belief is correct, even when the facts don't support it.

On the "good" side, they're largely correct.

Human life as we know it is already doomed. Inside fifty years the worlds oceans won't be able to support half the life they do today. Land animals are dying off faster than we can count, especially insects and we do not really understand how that's going to effect other species.

Oh, the world won't die, but that doesn't mean we'll exist as we are now at all.

And nothing we can do at this point will stop it from happening.

Yay.

You wanted doom? There you go folks. You got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1063144



"Christians come to mind" You fucken athiest fool. That is the stupidest excuse I have EVER heard. So now just replace Bush with Christians and blame them for everything. Fucken dumb ass you are. Go shove your head back up your ass.
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The Antarctic is growing exponentially. Come on, do some math.
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The ice caps have completely melted in the past,many times.In the last 200 years...no,but in the past they have melted and yet we are still here.

I love the global warming retards.Nature unleashes more CO2 per year through volcanic activity than all of human activity.To think we are changing anything is absurd.There used to be a tropical jungle under all that ice,but we are all going to die unless you pay a carbon tax to people who own the carbon credits ROFL.

Global warming is the promotion of a new tax.

Sure the earth is heating.We are reaching the peak of a solar cycle.We have survived for thousands of years with out paying a carbon tax as the earth has heated up.We can continue to survive.

Carbon taxes benefit only those who hold the carbon credits and governess levying said taxes.The system was created to ROB YOU FUCKING BLIND.

Get over it.
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If the polar ice caps melted, how much would the oceans rise?


[link to science.howstuffworks.com]
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Not at ALL.

Polar ice is SEA ice.

It is NOT like all of Greenland's ice sheet is melting ( it isn't ).

The average human is comfortable at a temperature of between 72 and 78 degrees Fahrenheit, yet the average temperature throughout the world is 59 degrees !!

If ANYTHING, the Earth is too cold.

I lived in Illinois in the 1980's when it hit -27 in Chicago.

I PRAYED for global warming. I wished for it, pined for it.

It was so HORRIBLE, I moved to the Southwest.

No ice, no blizzards, can drive 365 days a year, sun over 300 days.
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If Ice melts in a glass does the glass overflow?
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Its all displacement... the waters already displaced. if its melts it stays at the same level LOL
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physics 101
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good, maybe it won't get so damn cold in the great plains.. I love it warm, bring it on!!11!!111
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(AFP) / 22 August 2012

WASHINGTON — The Arctic ice cap is melting at a startlingly rapid rate and may shrink to its smallest-ever level within weeks as the planet’s temperatures rise, US scientists said Tuesday.

Researchers at the University of Colorado at Boulder said that the summer ice in the Arctic was already nearing its lowest level recorded, even though the summer melt season is not yet over.

“The numbers are coming in and we are looking at them with a sense of amazement,” said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the university.

“If the melt were to just suddenly stop today, we would be at the third lowest in the satellite record. We’ve still got another two weeks of melt to go, so I think we’re very likely to set a new record,” he told AFP.

[link to www.khaleejtimes.com]

[link to phys.org]

[link to in.news.yahoo.com]

[link to www.bloomberg.com]
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Yes. Remember though that some people are invested in destroying the ability of humans to live on this planet.

Christians come to mind.

Their religion teaches them that they have both a right, and in some sects, a duty to end the world so that their messiah will return and take them to heaven.

The old oil and coal men know that they'll be dead when it all happens and have been told that stopping now won't save the world at all, so they're going right ahead with business as usual.

Then you have the stupid people that won't admit that anything is wrong, no matter what happens.

No amount of superstorms, largest ever droughts, years of hottest weather ever in recorded history will change their minds. They only lose by trying to change now, so they won't, just hoping that their belief is correct, even when the facts don't support it.

On the "good" side, they're largely correct.

Human life as we know it is already doomed. Inside fifty years the worlds oceans won't be able to support half the life they do today. Land animals are dying off faster than we can count, especially insects and we do not really understand how that's going to effect other species.

Oh, the world won't die, but that doesn't mean we'll exist as we are now at all.

And nothing we can do at this point will stop it from happening.

Yay.

You wanted doom? There you go folks. You got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1063144



Ahh, so its the Christians fault! Time to start killing them again?

Are you per chance, any relation to Nero?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 793721


Wow, you're just wrong about everything in that statement, you know that?

Nero was a good leader torn down by detractors.

Not a relation of mine that I know of.

I'm not calling for the death or harm to Christians.
(There is no need, they're already dying. We all are. Enjoy the ride.)

Finally, I didn't say it was all their fault. They are just one of the groups with investment in letting the world burn.

I said that really clearly.

Don't try making this into a single issue. For one thing YES the Christians have done a whole lot to stop anything from being done about this problem. So are they, as a group, guilty? Yep.

If you;re a Christian and support your church, you have a big dollop of blame for this.

But you aren't alone.

A lot of people are responsible for the mess we're in now, a whole lot of them died a long time ago too.

Can't punish them for it and it wouldn't help if we did.
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Just one retort from me; If a lot of other people are responsible for this mess, why did you only mention the Christian? This is key to understanding your outburst.
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bump for actual importance
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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(AFP) / 22 August 2012

WASHINGTON — The Arctic ice cap is melting at a startlingly rapid rate and may shrink to its smallest-ever level within weeks as the planet’s temperatures rise, US scientists said Tuesday.
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note that the "smallest-ever level" is ZERO ICE, since that ice is only there during an ice age.

yes the planet is still in an ice age. but basic scientific facts like that get in the way of global warming fear-mongering, don't they?

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