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What is your 'Saviour' saving YOU from?

 
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What is your 'Saviour' saving YOU from?
You should fight your own battles.

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Religitards welcome.

Come on and smite me.
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IGNORANCE


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Yourselves
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Modern slavery, and invisible chains.
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The anti-savior
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TO ALL,

TO BE SAVED IS TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF THE FATHER.
ALL IS LIGHT,THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS NOT LIGHT


Meaning of the Death on the Cross

(2016.6) 188:4.1 Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort of effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though the Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God and to open the way for sinful man to obtain salvation; notwithstanding that these ideas of atonement and propitiation are erroneous, nonetheless, there are significances attached to this death of Jesus on the cross which should not be overlooked. It is a fact that Urantia has become known among other neighboring inhabited planets as the “World of the Cross.”

(2016.7) 188:4.2 Jesus desired to live a full mortal life in the flesh on Urantia. Death is, ordinarily, a part of life. Death is the last act in the mortal drama. In your well-meant efforts to escape the superstitious errors of the false interpretation of the meaning of the death on the cross, you should be careful not to make the great mistake of failing to perceive the true significance and the genuine import of the Master’s death.

(2016.8) 188:4.3 Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master’s death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him. *

(2016.9) 188:4.4 Before Jesus lived on earth, you might possibly have been justified in believing in such a God, but not since the Master lived and died among your fellow mortals. Moses taught the dignity and justice of a Creator God; but Jesus portrayed the love and mercy of a heavenly Father.

(2016.10) 188:4.5 The animal nature — the tendency toward evil-doing — may be hereditary, but sin is not transmitted from parent to child. Sin is the act of conscious and deliberate rebellion against the Father’s will and the Sons’ laws by an individual will creature. *

(2017.1) 188:4.6 Jesus lived and died for a whole universe, not just for the races of this one world. While the mortals of the realms had salvation even before Jesus lived and died on Urantia, it is nevertheless a fact that his bestowal on this world greatly illuminated the way of salvation; his death did much to make forever plain the certainty of mortal survival after death in the flesh.

(2017.2) 188:4.7 Though it is hardly proper to speak of Jesus as a sacrificer, a ransomer, or a redeemer, it is wholly correct to refer to him as a savior. He forever made the way of salvation (survival) more clear and certain; he did better and more surely show the way of salvation for all the mortals of all the worlds of the universe of Nebadon.

(2017.3) 188:4.8 When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

(2017.4) 188:4.9 All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served mortal men.

(2017.5) 188:4.10 Neither do genuine believers trouble themselves so much about the future punishment of sin. The real believer is only concerned about present separation from God. True, wise fathers may chasten their sons, but they do all this in love and for corrective purposes. They do not punish in anger, neither do they chastise in retribution.

(2017.6) 188:4.11 Even if God were the stern and legal monarch of a universe in which justice ruled supreme, he certainly would not be satisfied with the childish scheme of substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender.

(2017.7) 188:4.12 The great thing about the death of Jesus, as it is related to the enrichment of human experience and the enlargement of the way of salvation, is not the fact of his death but rather the superb manner and the matchless spirit in which he met death.

(2017.8) 188:4.13 This entire idea of the ransom of the atonement places salvation upon a plane of unreality; such a concept is purely philosophic. Human salvation is real; it is based on two realities which may be grasped by the creature’s faith and thereby become incorporated into individual human experience: the fact of the fatherhood of God and its correlated truth, the brotherhood of man. It is true, after all, that you are to be “forgiven your debts, even as you forgive your debtors.” [link to www.urantia.org] the white rose
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To get us to depart from evil.

So that we can be truly free.
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I shall ask not for salvation.
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You should fight your own battles.
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Duh, he's saving them from the punishment he will inflict on them.
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Yourselves
 Quoting: SS - YeSHua HamaSHia - SS


NOPE
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To get us to depart from evil.

So that we can be truly free.
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BS, he can't do that for you. You are a sovereign being, supposedly and responsible for your own actions.
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NOPE
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


Lies you believe to be true
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You should fight your own battles.
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Duh, he's saving them from the punishment he will inflict on them.
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Sadly that is how Christians believe, and I shed tears and blow up over it. Sucks big time.
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I shall ask not for salvation.
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nor should you and it would not work anyway. You are responsible for your own growth and learning from your own mistakes. Christians are really screwed up in this regard. And it is only their taking of responsibility that will "save" them, and they are saved from the time of the creation of their souls anyway, unless they reject eternal life.

WE, many of us here are here to help save the planet they are all destroying though.
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NOPE
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


Lies you believe to be true
 Quoting: SS - YeSHua HamaSHia - SS



Christ is not here saving people from themselves, only each can do that.
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TO ALL,

TO BE SAVED IS TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF THE FATHER.
ALL IS LIGHT,THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS NOT LIGHT


Meaning of the Death on the Cross

(2016.6) 188:4.1 Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort of effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though the Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God and to open the way for sinful man to obtain salvation; notwithstanding that these ideas of atonement and propitiation are erroneous, nonetheless, there are significances attached to this death of Jesus on the cross which should not be overlooked. It is a fact that Urantia has become known among other neighboring inhabited planets as the “World of the Cross.”

(2016.7) 188:4.2 Jesus desired to live a full mortal life in the flesh on Urantia. Death is, ordinarily, a part of life. Death is the last act in the mortal drama. In your well-meant efforts to escape the superstitious errors of the false interpretation of the meaning of the death on the cross, you should be careful not to make the great mistake of failing to perceive the true significance and the genuine import of the Master’s death.

(2016.8) 188:4.3 Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master’s death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him. *

(2016.9) 188:4.4 Before Jesus lived on earth, you might possibly have been justified in believing in such a God, but not since the Master lived and died among your fellow mortals. Moses taught the dignity and justice of a Creator God; but Jesus portrayed the love and mercy of a heavenly Father.

(2016.10) 188:4.5 The animal nature — the tendency toward evil-doing — may be hereditary, but sin is not transmitted from parent to child. Sin is the act of conscious and deliberate rebellion against the Father’s will and the Sons’ laws by an individual will creature. *

(2017.1) 188:4.6 Jesus lived and died for a whole universe, not just for the races of this one world. While the mortals of the realms had salvation even before Jesus lived and died on Urantia, it is nevertheless a fact that his bestowal on this world greatly illuminated the way of salvation; his death did much to make forever plain the certainty of mortal survival after death in the flesh.

(2017.2) 188:4.7 Though it is hardly proper to speak of Jesus as a sacrificer, a ransomer, or a redeemer, it is wholly correct to refer to him as a savior. He forever made the way of salvation (survival) more clear and certain; he did better and more surely show the way of salvation for all the mortals of all the worlds of the universe of Nebadon.

(2017.3) 188:4.8 When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

(2017.4) 188:4.9 All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served mortal men.

(2017.5) 188:4.10 Neither do genuine believers trouble themselves so much about the future punishment of sin. The real believer is only concerned about present separation from God. True, wise fathers may chasten their sons, but they do all this in love and for corrective purposes. They do not punish in anger, neither do they chastise in retribution.

(2017.6) 188:4.11 Even if God were the stern and legal monarch of a universe in which justice ruled supreme, he certainly would not be satisfied with the childish scheme of substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender.

(2017.7) 188:4.12 The great thing about the death of Jesus, as it is related to the enrichment of human experience and the enlargement of the way of salvation, is not the fact of his death but rather the superb manner and the matchless spirit in which he met death.

(2017.8) 188:4.13 This entire idea of the ransom of the atonement places salvation upon a plane of unreality; such a concept is purely philosophic. Human salvation is real; it is based on two realities which may be grasped by the creature’s faith and thereby become incorporated into individual human experience: the fact of the fatherhood of God and its correlated truth, the brotherhood of man. It is true, after all, that you are to be “forgiven your debts, even as you forgive your debtors.” [link to www.urantia.org] the white rose
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No White Rose that is not so either. to Be saved is to undertake eternal life and its just that simple. It does not need that whole UB post. That said the UB had to cover up the fact that he lived and did not die on the cross, he was in a coma. He survived, but michael of Nebadon, one of the two that played Jesus did leave, and he resurrecte himself OFF the planet to break the control bonds Lucifer and Caligastia placed on this world.
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Cursed be the wretched who infringe upon the light emitting body and soul.
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The irony about the christian faith is that the "savior" Jesus, is saving people from God.
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"Jesus is my savior" is nothing more than a culture-wide case of Stockholm Syndrome.
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In ONE word - Misconceptions!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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The irony about the christian faith is that the "savior" Jesus, is saving people from God.
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And this is why the symbol revered by this faith, is the very symbol that destroyed the 'Saviour'.
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We fight together.
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"Jesus is my savior" is nothing more than a culture-wide case of Stockholm Syndrome.
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yes it is, and its a STATEMENT of irresponsibility.
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Cursed be the wretched who infringe upon the light emitting body and soul.
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nice statement
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Jesus Love You
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You should fight your own battles.
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He saves us from living a shitty hellish life like you have.
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You should fight your own battles.
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Doing it on your own will only drive you crazy. Yeshua saves our souls. You do the footwork on Earth. Along side with his loving teachings! (:
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Yourselves
 Quoting: SS - YeSHua HamaSHia - SS


NOPE
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


Lies you believe to be true
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Christ is not here saving people from themselves, only each can do that.
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


exactly

I have only come to awaken yourselves to what you have become

save yourselves from yourself

thats what I have always taught

I can not and will not do it for you hf
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Religitards welcome.

Come on and smite me.
 Quoting: EvenT6HorizoN

Yeshua wasn't about religion. If anything, He was against it. It is about YOUR spirituality.. YOUR personal relationship with Him. Following his teachings.. YOUR eyes will be opened! Following the commandments of men (which ARE twisted teachings of Yeshua), will keep you in the dark.

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