Ford Fiesta diesel gets 86 mpg(non hybrid)...and you will never see it in the USA.

It meets ALL USA emission standards for a diesel.

Ford says Americans just will not buy a diesel car.


How are sales over at VW dealers? Seems to me they are making a killing on diesel cars!

Ford has the best diesel engine on the market.A car that gets 86 MPG with out batteries or electric motors.It is RELIABLE.

Ford get your head out of your ass.WE WANT IT HERE!

Can I buy that over there and bring it to the us?

American companies are evil. They will gladly give foreigners access to technology that us citizens need h fuckmyou Fordfuck you for sellin me the pos Taurus I had that was the biggest lemon ever. Fuck American car cos. I buy Hondas ever since. No problem. Drivin a civic with 188 k and no issues. Have Honda truck over 100k and best fucking car ever.

Fuck you ford fuck ou

You kidding? They know that we want it, but Exxon, BP, and the others are telling them to fuck off while we pay $3.75 for gasoline.

you have to pay to have it "converted to us specs"

so it would then get 12 mpg

many states actually outlawed diesel cars

look it up

I could go for 2 weeks atleast on a gallon. Damn you big oil cartels.

I would buy it in a heartbeat.

maybe if there is enough public rage over keeping this out of USA something will happen

oil companies will never allow a cheap car that gets over 80 mpg to ever be sold here. never ever.

Don't blame the oil companies, the feds and state make toomuch hwy tax money off of poor mpg

I've been a car salesman for over 12 years.

It's not unusual for a car to be in Europe for a few years before coming to America.

Americans would buy a diesel if it got that much fuel economy. However, it is my contention that many would find a 94 hp car from Ford unacceptable. Right or wrong, people who buy green cars have more faith in the import line. (In my mind right now I can hear a customer telling me he likes the fuel economy of the Fiesta diesel, but they aren't sure about a domestic car that just came out this year.) Chevy tried a green car with the Volt and it has been a disaster, so this isn't a totaly unfair assesment.

Another problem with a diesel car is that they last much longer than other cars, which may cause owners to stay out of the market longer than they usually would. Thius isn't just car companies being greedy, many factories make parts that end up in the cars, and the auto industry creates many jobs here, so not so long lasting cars is actually good for the economy. If engineers can put a car on another planet do you really think they couldn't build a vehicle that lasts an average of 50 years?

I work for VW and yes - we make a killing off the TDI's which TROUNCE...I REPEAT TROUNCE all hybrids....and, they'll last 300K plus - AND you don't lose your trunk space. Did I mention the firefighters don't have to shit pants when cutting one open after an accident too?

Yes, we'll have the world's first Hybrid turbo soon...but we only did that to have a sedan that's a "hybrid"....to shut the soccer moms up, and all the other chumps who don't know about diesel.

yes, it's under 10% more per gallon...but you'll achieve 30-50% more per gallon...so it's a win, win..and yes, VW reports to us (the peeons), that the TDI's actually have 25% less emissions than their gas counterparts...so technically - diesel is cleaner these days if done right.

That being said..2 things...1 - don't believe the EPA sticker numbers...they test the diesels the same way they test the gas engine, from a cold start. Once warm (assuming a broken in engine), our customers report MUCH higher numbers than what the EPA reports....hell, the world record on a tank of gas came from a west coast couple driving a passat that reached 1600 miles, and they beat a Euro couple from the year before (also in a passat)....2 tanks to drive cross country?? sign me up....

second..Ford's little banger get's 86 ehh?(better than the VW's)....but we have 140 HP in a 2.0L...they are 2/3 the power and a much smaller engine...VW has a 1.6 in Euro as well (HAS had) since the mid 2000's...it is super AND turbo charged and got well over 50 mpg (it was regular gas)...US NEVER EVER SAW IT....WHY???? come on GLP....you know why..I HAVE had foreign customers looking for it, and I have to say we don't sell it in the US...

and third....THING is still a Ford....lol...I'll take a TDI Golf over it any day....you still need to drive it!.....lol! (don't give me this, oh - I buy American shit...look where Ford builds it shit these days folks - there's a reason VW opened the TN plant...we priced ourselves out of competition with the german passat...and the US Passat - Motor Trend gave it car of the year)...lick it Honda fan (Honda's suck almost as worse as Toyota *oh reliability...only car EVER to have record fines from the feds for the POS's)...

I don't post often as AC on GLP....had to here...I work for em and do have some knowledge...that being said, good job to Ford either way - progress, while big or small in this arena, is welcome!

Good post bro, agreed...I forgot about the parts (which VW is infamous for...lol)(double...remember the movie about the guy who invented wipers...and Ford...cough cough....effed him....cough cough).....anyways..

while HP is low, the tourque on the diesels (at least ours, and likely the Ford's - is much higher than the gas engines - so people will feel it as more powerful off the line)..so it WILL work for most people....

plus, we both forgot to mention to the crowd looking (good thread)...that hybrids get SHIT on trades *you will agree I'm sure) - because our bosses know that at 100K plus - anyone who wants to resell the toxic to the environment hybrid's have to replace that god-awful battery.....which is 3-4K plus depending on the brand....lithium polymers leaking into the ground....not so cool....get it into the water supply....even worse (coming from a guy who lives in the most water toxic *publicly* city in the US *yes, they did make a movie about us with John Travolta...and yes, I live within a 100 yards of the superfund site and have had the EPA drilling in my basement last year because the shit is STILL leaking into the air **GLP special...we freaked out when they hid a device in the woods behind us, yes, they hid it and we took a picture***but who cares about those woods, they are behind the oldest gun club in the US ****look it up**...so I got mad lead, toxic shit underneath - superfund site across the street and the other two sides of me are industry...awesome...glad my kids don't live here anymore ******Echelon has found me from said data with me still being AC, to the camps I go!***** love GLP, Trinity - please release the bans on Androids - downtime at work would be SOOOO much better!

And...the thread dies with the truth...

too bad, tis was a good thread GLP....

The sad truth is that the gubmint EPA restrictions has both upper and lower exhaust emission regulations, your american car MUST emit a minimum amount of hydrocarbons to be legal to drive!
I have been looking into different modifications in carburation and HHO (hydroxy gas) means of increasing gas mileage results in more efficient combustion and much higher fuel efficiency and very low hydrocarbon output, is actually illegal according to the EPA, go figure.

Wake up and stop blaming oil companies. You sayin they have the power to stop production and selling in the US but not in Europe or Japan? Bull.

Americans don't like small cars, don't like low power cars. MPG is something to whine about after buying a massive SUV which drinks twice the amount as an average european saloon car. Americans make these decisions, not oil companies. Let ford now there's a market for this and they'll sell it, just like VW (which has always appealed to the alternative, progressive market).

My wifes Mondeo is 8 years old and has 2L TDCI 130PC engine.

I have just traded in my Skoda which had a 1.6L 105PS engine for another with the 2L 140PS engine.
Skoda is part of VW / Audi and they share most of the parts.

We have emissions tests in the UK are done with a hot engine, they wait for the cooling fan to come on. The engine is revved up to the red line a few times and then the emissions are checked.

UK leaflet about the testing

[link to www.dvtani.gov.uk]

Yes and this certainly kills off cars prematurely unless you take precautions!

It cost me £900 to fix a diesel car a few years ago after the garage revved the ArsX out of it during the test. Yes the car ran, but at higher speeds it ran all lumpy. Needed a new fuel pump and a big labour charge to diagnose and fix the problem they caused (the car only had 20k miles on the clock from new!)

Make sure you always go for a long drive (100miles plus) at the national speed limit on a motorway (freeway) the weekend before the test, ideally in 4th rather than 5th gear all the way to clean out all the deposits. Then on the day of the test, make sure the garage you select will do the test at a specific appointed time, then drive the car for 30 mins in a lower gear before the test to give it a final clean and get the engine hot. Then the tester does not need to rev the engine for so long or go to the red line to get a pass reading.

NEVER leave the car with the garage on the day of the test for them to test at some time during the day. They will just rev it to high heavens for a longer period than required at red line to get the engine up to temp and then get the emissions figure they are looking for (assuming it is in good enough state mechanically to pass the emissions).

Still have the car (15 years old now) and it still returns around 55MPG and always starts. Emissions were well in spec and everything still works! Guess what? It's a Rover and it was made in the UK!

The sooner we move off fossil fuels entirely the better.

I always book mine in at the time and wait while it is done.
Most garages also check if the cambelt needs changing before doing the test.

I live in Northern California you should come there is not a day that I don't go without seeing about 5 smart cars 10 Prius and a ton of those new little fiats and many other hybrids. You can't compare the Volt to the Fiesta that Volt was crazy expensive not worth it. I could never buy a smart car because I think is a rip off to pay over 20k for half a car that is not much better than other small compacts. The older 90's 2000 fiesta looks terrible but this little fiesta looks like the younger brother of a Focus and I would totally buy one if it gave me that kind of MPG

Thanks for the invitation to your state. I've always wanted to visit it, but sadly it is not to be. I agree with everything you say, however here in the midwest folks are a whole lot more conservative. '

Would the Diesel Fiesta sell well in Northern Cali? Maybe, but how would a 94 hp car do in mountainous terrain?

Why do people have a concept that 94 HP cars can't do mountains don't forget that with the lower HP also comes very light chassis we are not talking 94Hp on a 1950's 1 ton car. I live in extremely mountainous and steep terrain up to 30% grade people here not only have no issue with their car but you often see couples in small hybrids loaded for camping trips, with a bike rack on top or hanging. Keep in mind these cars were also not meant to go very fast they usually have lower gear ratios. My city has a lot of bikes too we have people riding around in 50-100 cc mopets and restores honda 125'cc and 150cc's without any problem.

Let me also tell you that I'm not some narrow minded Libtard you mentioned that in the Midwest people think differently and I have no issue whatsoever with people with Heavy and Super Heavy duty trucks as long as they needed for their farm, job, towing. But you know well that a soccer mom has no business driving a 14MPG excursion just because when she can drive a comfortable, safe fuel efficient family van

When I've visited San Francisco I've people riding bycicles up 30% grades you see the sidewalks they have to build steps on it because is too steep. I've also seen overweight tourist almost having a heart attack going up this hills and giving up climbing down and getting a taxi

I'm in good shape and I enjoy walking around in the city getting a leg workout just go somewhere

I think you may have misunderstood my post. I was trying to illustrate that people here and people in the midwest look for different things when they by a car. I wish more people here would buy hybrids, I work for a Toyota dealership.

Whenever I see an Excursion or Surburban on the road, it is usally being driven by a small woman by herself, and I can't help but laugh.

Thanks for the info on the mountain driving.

Talking about Toyota prior to getting my self a Jeep patriot 4 x4 which by the way is great on gas is a 2.4 I really wanted the 4 cylinder Tacoma but could not afford it because it was too much money in a 4x4 flavor. Two reasons why I wanted that Tacoma was because one day while coming back from a fishing trip in florida some guy was having trouble pulling out his 37 foot mako boat out of the water with a heavy duty dual wheel Ram. Everyone was waiting to use the ramp and one of the guys driving a 4x4 tacoma was waiting to pull out his 17 foot boston whaler. He offer to help and the guy with the Ram laughed at him after a while he gave up and it was getting dark and while the with the tacoma was calling a truck tow to pull out the his boat the guy with the Tacoma backed up and put the tacoma in 4x4 and pull the boat right out. The guy with the RAM was speechless and embarrassed.

Also you still so many of the 70's-90's Tacoma small RV's running around and people load those things to the gills and have ridiculousness mileage on them and those motors are bullet proof.

Moral of the story right tool for the right job

"fossil fuels"

Yeah my car runs on decomposed dinosaurs. Bwahahahaha.

Search for abiotic oil here on GLP to get a clue.

I drive a VW Golf TDI(stick). It has 100 hp and can move awesome of the get go. I checked the highway miles last week. 54 miles to the gallon. I love that car:)