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What i get tired about are conservative americans trying to defend the gun possesion in their country with all kind of fake- and strawarguments.

Simply admit you feel your own family and loved ones are maybe more safe when you can defend them with your gun, but dont talk shit about the society in its enterity being more safe because of the rights to carry / own a gun, because that simply isnt true.

Numerous people here have shown links about the (relatively) high numbers of deaths by firearms within the USA. The statistics show you are in the company of countries like Mexico and the Philipiness, and that other western countries like the UK, Germany, France etc., countries with gun control, score way more low on these kind of lists.

And dont come up with the shit argument: there are far more people living in our country, because these statistics are talking about relative numbers.

I just can't stand the hypocrisy of people screaming things in here like: how could this happen? the endtimes are here, look at all these gunmurderers! or, Obama is setting us up, he wants to take away our guns!

Bullshit... its the result of your policies when it comes to gun possession... nothing less, nothing more.
 Quoting: Riverman 1487773


Because of our POLICIES? Really. Well, tickle me this: Guns are banned in NYC. That people were coerced into supporting that so that these kinds of things wouldn't happen. Yet, they happen MORE in the places that ban the guns. If our carrying of defense tools is such utter bullshit, how do you explain that?

Simply, you can't.

The only causality fact is that there are crazy people. The gun, because most people in the world and America are cowards, is a symbol of terror, of the unknown. They don't know what they are they only see them on TV and when they do the cops are doing good with them and regular people are doing bad.

ITS FUCKING TV, PEOPLE! ITS NOT REAL!!!

Most people never know any more than what they hear on the news and see in movies. This is what your "bullshit bias" is based on. Do some real research. Find out the truth.

Many people mention problems with African countries and say, "See! If we had more guns we'd be like that!" What they don't realize is that in those countries the arms are BANNED for regular people. They don't realize by pointing to those countries, they are actually making the pro gun argument in a bigger way than NYC and other "Victim Rich Zones", no matter how populous or not.

Get a grip. Its a fact. If you dispute it you're a liar or an idiot. In all cases: MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME. Its been proven over and over and over, EVERYWHERE, not just the USA. So, please, keep up your shilling and BS arguments and statistical positioning and manipulation. Those of use that know the truth just use you for comedy relief.

Someone cited HuffPro. Again, when you do things like that you make my point for me. They're about as credible as The Kenyan when he says he's created jobs.

Just look at the facts. Don't try to "come down" on one side of the issue or the other. I don't "BELIEVE" anything. The facts speak for themselves. Many of you just don't want to face them, but, the facts DO NOT CARE. THEY ARE STILL THE FACTS.
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How can this happen in NY??..With all of the Gun laws they have?
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Of course if everyone in NY was carrying a Gun he wouldn't have even shot 1 person and been blown away.
Unfortunately because of the Marxist gun controllers they had to wait until the slow slow busy busy cops got there.
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No, interestingly enough, the cops were right around the corner on 5th Avenue apparently.
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Of course if everyone in NY was carrying a Gun he wouldn't have even shot 1 person and been blown away.
Unfortunately because of the Marxist gun controllers they had to wait until the slow slow busy busy cops got there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


Oh please. According to reports, the cops were across the street in front of the Empire State Building. Tourist attractions like that are guarded in NYC...not only inside, but outside.

Apparently you have never been to NYC. Cops are especially near the tourist areas. Lots of cops around Times Square also...on horses, on foot, etc. There are probably a lot undercover, too.
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How long for Guns Ban speech...
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Gun Ban , MY ASS.
Every time one of these shootings happens,
I order more ammo.
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Has anyone ever considered the fact that indeed these incidents stimulate what little economy there is left?

Interesting thought, actually.

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Of course if everyone in NY was carrying a Gun he wouldn't have even shot 1 person and been blown away.
Unfortunately because of the Marxist gun controllers they had to wait until the slow slow busy busy cops got there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


No, interestingly enough, the cops were right around the corner on 5th Avenue apparently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


Make that, the UNIFORMED cops. Who knows how many of the plain clothes people were also cops.
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..except that all you say is completely bullshit. You can say what you want but why is it that 99.9% of all shootings like this take place in "Gun Free Zones" like downtown NYC? Huh? You're not a rainbow loving liberal, you're just a dumbass that has never studied anything real when it comes to guns. Read a few books and then do some background research without prejudice. Any sane individual will come to the same conclusion: MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME. This is an AMERICAN tradition, not Ruanda or some small African nation.

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The thing is, its more your sentiment, then it is the truth. Its wishfull thinking on the part of (southern) conservatives who have grown up with guns.

More guns ISN't less crime.

Again, i repeat: read the information in the links several people have posted on this thread.

You say it yourself: its a tradition, but the statistics simply show more guns doesnt equal less crime. The statistics show your crime numbers are on level with second/third world countries like Mexico and the Philipiness.

Again, i respect your stupidity to keep on to your guns, but don't talk shit about facts... in that sense you are just as stubborn as the conservative christians in your country.
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Shut the fuck up you ignorant cheese dick
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1285752


Cheese dick? I'm not from Wisconsin!

But seriously now, how does having a semi-auto handgun in the hands of every tempermental idiot make you feel safe??

Muzzle loaders are the way to go! Just the way the forefather's intended it!

You could kick 'em in the sack while they're reloading!

poop
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Of course if everyone in NY was carrying a Gun he wouldn't have even shot 1 person and been blown away.
Unfortunately because of the Marxist gun controllers they had to wait until the slow slow busy busy cops got there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


No, interestingly enough, the cops were right around the corner on 5th Avenue apparently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


Yeah have you tried to get around the corner in NY? cruise
It takes an HOUR! cruise
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Of course if everyone in NY was carrying a Gun he wouldn't have even shot 1 person and been blown away.
Unfortunately because of the Marxist gun controllers they had to wait until the slow slow busy busy cops got there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


Oh please. According to reports, the cops were across the street in front of the Empire State Building. Tourist attractions like that are guarded in NYC...not only inside, but outside.

Apparently you have never been to NYC. Cops are especially near the tourist areas. Lots of cops around Times Square also...on horses, on foot, etc. There are probably a lot undercover, too.
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Please what? If the people standing next to him had been armed, he wouldn't have got off one shot.
Explain that to me illogical brain washed Marxist?
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That makes 95,500 killed or injured a year by guns in America. And the idiots still support the NRA.
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How many innocent people has your government murdered in its history?
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mao probably got us beat
moving along
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and if you're gonna have so many handguns, you should at least make pistol duels a legal way to settle your arguments!
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Thought bloomburg had NY secure with his new police camera/computer system...

How did this happen "mayor happy pants"?

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What a silly question!

Do you know how people are on the island of Manhattan on an average weekday?

Answer:

2,874,003 - Census "weekday population" including commuters but not counting visitors; perhaps 3,000,000 if other visitors are considered.
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Get a grip. Its a fact. If you dispute it you're a liar or an idiot. In all cases: MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME.

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Sigh... facepalm... I repeat it again: several people on this thread have posted links that show that isnt the case. Its maybe wishfull thinking from you, but who is the liar here in then?

And i repeat another argument again:
People who are supporting gun possession in here, are trying to mock the situation, because New York has more strict gun laws, right?
But when there is no border control, what happens? duh...
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Of course if everyone in NY was carrying a Gun he wouldn't have even shot 1 person and been blown away.
Unfortunately because of the Marxist gun controllers they had to wait until the slow slow busy busy cops got there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


No, interestingly enough, the cops were right around the corner on 5th Avenue apparently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


Yeah have you tried to get around the corner in NY? cruise
It takes an HOUR! cruise
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An hour to walk around the corner? I don't think so. They were on foot.
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Empire State Building , next 911 but thermonuclear ...

a nuclear device will be detonated within the 3rd level of this building in a near future , 10 minutes after that another one will be detonated within STATUE OF LIVERTY ...

In 2023 there will be a monument comemorating this incident along the 911 one within a large jungle alike PARK ... NY will no longer exist ...
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I actually had a dream once about the Chrysler building exploding and falling...
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Empire State Building , next 911 but thermonuclear ...

a nuclear device will be detonated within the 3rd level of this building in a near future , 10 minutes after that another one will be detonated within STATUE OF LIVERTY ...

In 2023 there will be a monument comemorating this incident along the 911 one within a large jungle alike PARK ... NY will no longer exist ...
 Quoting: Stargate K24 22137578


I actually had a dream once about the Chrysler building exploding and falling...
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That's my favorite building in NYC....besides St. Patrick's Cathedral.
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The building will probably fall any minute now from the bullet damage
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Obviously due to structural failure.
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Of course if everyone in NY was carrying a Gun he wouldn't have even shot 1 person and been blown away.
Unfortunately because of the Marxist gun controllers they had to wait until the slow slow busy busy cops got there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


No, interestingly enough, the cops were right around the corner on 5th Avenue apparently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


Yeah have you tried to get around the corner in NY? cruise
It takes an HOUR! cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


An hour to walk around the corner? I don't think so. They were on foot.
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Ive been to NY Marxist NWO lunatic, it takes an HOUR!
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No, interestingly enough, the cops were right around the corner on 5th Avenue apparently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


Yeah have you tried to get around the corner in NY? cruise
It takes an HOUR! cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


An hour to walk around the corner? I don't think so. They were on foot.
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Ive been to NY Marxist NWO lunatic, it takes an HOUR!
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To WALK? Oh please!
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Ohhh America, hurry up and tear each other apart already! ....Our popcorn is getting cold burnit
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Lets face it... without the so called 'marxist', 'liberal' gun controllers in the USA, the 'redneck southerners' would go on a hunting spread against the 'black ghetto thughs' and vice versa...

The 'evangelical biblethumpers' would try to turn the country in a theocracy, while shooting down the more liberal city hipsters.

Of course.. i know.. i am chargating in here... but the idea that gun murderers could be taken out by simply giving more people the right to carry guns, is a gliding scale.

Maybe some people long back to the times of the 'wild west', but do you really think your country would have been as succesfull (in the past) as every citizen had been given the oppurtunity to kill eachother with guns and riffles?

Maybe there is a reason why the states with stricter gun laws, less religious conservatives and with more liberals are more succesfull.. think about that
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Of course, lets give everyone the right to carry a semi-automatic riffle so they can use it for 'self defence'... logical, isnt it?
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It works for the Swiss.

drevil
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No, interestingly enough, the cops were right around the corner on 5th Avenue apparently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


Yeah have you tried to get around the corner in NY? cruise
It takes an HOUR! cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


An hour to walk around the corner? I don't think so. They were on foot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22521307


Ive been to NY Marxist NWO lunatic, it takes an HOUR!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


First of all, Hazan Imports is across the street from the Empire State Building. There are cops standing outside all entrances to the Empire State Building.
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You're as naive as you sound.

This wasn't a shooting of revenge for some employment of a year ago. This was some gang warfare with the cops in it up to their holsters.

What's your feeling about Kennesaw GA mentioned earlier in the thread?

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You are calling me naive? lol... again, look at the facts / the statistics

I simply hope and wish for less people to be killed by needless gun violence and i dont hang on to sentiments for that, but rather use my common sense.

I repeat, Kennesaw is insignificant on a scientific and statistic scale, you have to look at the nationwide level.
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Of course, lets give everyone the right to carry a semi-automatic riffle so they can use it for 'self defence'... logical, isnt it?
 Quoting: Riverman 1487773


It works for the Swiss.

drevil
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What would be logical is a major depopulation event...

Let's face it, the majority are just too unevolved

ohyeah
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How can this happen in NY??..With all of the Gun laws they have?
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I live in Chicago. Strictest gun laws in the nation....highest murder rate as well. REALLY WORKING HERE!
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3 US marines shot in Mexico city. Just crossing the wires now.
If you cross country ski, start with a small country.
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Lets face it... without the so called 'marxist', 'liberal' gun controllers in the USA, the 'redneck southerners' would go on a hunting spread against the 'black ghetto thughs' and vice versa...

The 'evangelical biblethumpers' would try to turn the country in a theocracy, while shooting down the more liberal city hipsters.

Of course.. i know.. i am chargating in here... but the idea that gun murderers could be taken out by simply giving more people the right to carry guns, is a gliding scale.

Maybe some people long back to the times of the 'wild west', but do you really think your country would have been as succesfull (in the past) as every citizen had been given the oppurtunity to kill eachother with guns and riffles?

Maybe there is a reason why the states with stricter gun laws, less religious conservatives and with more liberals are more succesfull.. think about that
 Quoting: Riverman 1487773


Check your facts. You will see the states with the most restrictive gun laws have much higher crime rates. That's because criminals prefer unarmed victims. Where I live, there is practically zero violent crime, because we have the 2nd amendment right to carry fire arms. Criminals know that a very high percentage of the population here are carrying. If a dumb punk pulled a gun and started shooting, he wouldn't have the chance to kill a room full of people, because most of us would be shooting back. You go on drinking that Koolaid, and spewing you misguided bullshit, because I know facts are not going to change your mind. The rest of us will rest easy knowing that criminals are not going to break into our houses because nobody wants their family reading about them on the front page of the paper in the morning.

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Yeah have you tried to get around the corner in NY? cruise
It takes an HOUR! cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


An hour to walk around the corner? I don't think so. They were on foot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22521307


Ive been to NY Marxist NWO lunatic, it takes an HOUR!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


To WALK? Oh please!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22521307

Its NYC dick head!!! Seen how many people there are?
Quit begging me with your PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEE!!!! cruise


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