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will this battery work with this inverter?

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08/24/2012 05:24 PM
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
watt = amp * volt

amp * 1000 = mAh or milliamp hours
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
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Power (W) = Volts (V) x Current (A)

eg 12V x 5A = 60W

1000mA = 1A

10000mAh = 10Ah

So

10Ah with a 10A load will last 1 hour
10Ah with a 1A load will last 10 hours

You cannot make Watts like that, all the inverter does is change the ratio of V and A

Roughly

12V x 10A = 120V x 1A

but inverters are only about 80% efficient so you probably get

Output = 120V x 1A x (80/100)
so 120V x 0.8A
Quoting: lightchild_uk

ok so 10000 mAh = 10A. output 12v on battery

my battery outputs 12X10 = 120 watts?

my battery is rated at 10,000 mah with 12volt 2.1 amp output
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

As the battery is only rated at 2.1A

10Ah with a 2A load will last 5 hours
Quoting: lightchild_uk

lightchild was i correct? my battery rated to put out 120 watts then? if thats true, is it bad to get a 30watt inverter? or is it ok? should i get higher?

wish this wasn't confusing.
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

The maximum the inverter can do is 30W.

Reading a review from the Amazon

"This device is well made and has a quality feel. The 2.1 amps is great for the USB charging ports (much higher than most), but 30W is a bit week for an inverter. Still that's enough for small devices and the limit is clearly stated here, so it should not come as a surprise. Note the inverter will run something like a GPS unit or Android tablet, PDA, ipad, e-reader, etc. and will also charge those devices requiring an A/C charger as long as they don't draw more than 30 W, so there are many uses for this on the road, in an R/V, and similar."

But your batter can only give 20W max, so the maximum output will be 20W.

The problem is the battery only has internal battery 3.7V, which you are boosting to 12V and then to mains.

I know it is something that seems simple, but is a lot more involved. I am just doing fag packet calculations to keep it simple.
I don't think we will start doing
on a Friday evening.

What are you trying to achieve?
There maybe a simpler way?
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08/24/2012 05:27 PM
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
is this setup ok lightchild? you know more than i do

can i hook up that 30 watt inverter to my 10,000 mah 12 volt 2.1 amp output battery?
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

2.1A * 12V = 25.2W which is less than your 30 watt converter will be pulling with just a tiny load on it.

I would buy two of them and connect in parallel if i were you
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08/24/2012 05:29 PM
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Trying to get my solar panel to charge a portable battery to go to inverter to power small devices. I can charge them now with all the adapters I have but it would be nice to have 3 prong option.
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
is this setup ok lightchild? you know more than i do

can i hook up that 30 watt inverter to my 10,000 mah 12 volt 2.1 amp output battery?
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

2.1A * 12V = 25.2W which is less than your 30 watt converter will be pulling with just a tiny load on it.

I would buy two of them and connect in parallel if i were you
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554016

How do you connect a battery like that in parallel
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08/24/2012 05:31 PM

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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
Sorry I just saw your other post.

Most things will work off either 12V or 5V USB these days.

If you are looking at something more useful what about a computer UPS like an APC

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08/24/2012 05:32 PM
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
my solar panel is connected to this battery

and this battery (via 12v dc out port using this cable [link to www.opentip.com]

will be connected to this inverter to give AC power

or this inverter ( [link to www.ritzcamera.com]

will this work?
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

Depends on how big the solar panel is. If it's a small one, yeah you can use it to trickle charge. If it's got any wattage to it at all, you need a charge controller to avoid destroying the battery.

Your solar panel probably has a zener diode in it already - most of them do to prevent a battery attached to it from running the solar panel in reverse, but if it doesn't you'll need to put one of those in the circuit.

What do you plan on running off the inverter? Most of those cheap models don't put out s clean 60Hz 110rms sine wave, like most A/C powered devices like. If it's a toaster, it's not going to care. If it's delicate electronics, you could burn it out.
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
is this setup ok lightchild? you know more than i do

can i hook up that 30 watt inverter to my 10,000 mah 12 volt 2.1 amp output battery?
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

2.1A * 12V = 25.2W which is less than your 30 watt converter will be pulling with just a tiny load on it.

I would buy two of them and connect in parallel if i were you
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554016

How do you connect a battery like that in parallel
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

The problem is that the output is not a battery it has it's own internal booster.
I think putting them in parallel could end in tears.
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08/24/2012 05:34 PM
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
is this setup ok lightchild? you know more than i do

can i hook up that 30 watt inverter to my 10,000 mah 12 volt 2.1 amp output battery?
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

2.1A * 12V = 25.2W which is less than your 30 watt converter will be pulling with just a tiny load on it.

I would buy two of them and connect in parallel if i were you
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554016

How do you connect a battery like that in parallel
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

The problem is that the output is not a battery it has it's own internal booster.
I think putting them in parallel could end in tears.
Quoting: lightchild_uk

Where are you seeing this battery is 3.7 volts.. It's input is 12v 1 amp...
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08/24/2012 05:35 PM
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
watt = amp * volt

amp * 1000 = mAh or milliamp hours
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
my solar panel is connected to this battery

and this battery (via 12v dc out port using this cable [link to www.opentip.com]

will be connected to this inverter to give AC power

or this inverter ( [link to www.ritzcamera.com]

will this work?
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

Depends on how big the solar panel is. If it's a small one, yeah you can use it to trickle charge. If it's got any wattage to it at all, you need a charge controller to avoid destroying the battery.

Your solar panel probably has a zener diode in it already - most of them do to prevent a battery attached to it from running the solar panel in reverse, but if it doesn't you'll need to put one of those in the circuit.

What do you plan on running off the inverter? Most of those cheap models don't put out s clean 60Hz 110rms sine wave, like most A/C powered devices like. If it's a toaster, it's not going to care. If it's delicate electronics, you could burn it out.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14118518

The only way that could make toast is if you used matches and set the thing on fire. LOL

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08/24/2012 05:38 PM

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2.1A * 12V = 25.2W which is less than your 30 watt converter will be pulling with just a tiny load on it.

I would buy two of them and connect in parallel if i were you
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554016

How do you connect a battery like that in parallel
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

The problem is that the output is not a battery it has it's own internal booster.
I think putting them in parallel could end in tears.
Quoting: lightchild_uk

Where are you seeing this battery is 3.7 volts.. It's input is 12v 1 amp...
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

"Technical Details

Huge Capacity, 10000mAh / 3.7V; ..."
Daersoulkeeper (OP)

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08/24/2012 05:38 PM
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
my solar panel is connected to this battery

and this battery (via 12v dc out port using this cable [link to www.opentip.com]

will be connected to this inverter to give AC power

or this inverter ( [link to www.ritzcamera.com]

will this work?
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

Depends on how big the solar panel is. If it's a small one, yeah you can use it to trickle charge. If it's got any wattage to it at all, you need a charge controller to avoid destroying the battery.

Your solar panel probably has a zener diode in it already - most of them do to prevent a battery attached to it from running the solar panel in reverse, but if it doesn't you'll need to put one of those in the circuit.

What do you plan on running off the inverter? Most of those cheap models don't put out s clean 60Hz 110rms sine wave, like most A/C powered devices like. If it's a toaster, it's not going to care. If it's delicate electronics, you could burn it out.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14118518

solar panel is 20 W 15.4 V 1.2 A

It came with 12 volt cigarette adapter so that's limiting it to 12 volt 1 amp right? That's same as battery input requirement
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
watt = amp * volt

amp * 1000 = mAh or milliamp hours
Quoting: Enlilson

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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14118518

Thats really cool
Daersoulkeeper (OP)

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08/24/2012 05:40 PM
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This is solar panel

Looks like it blocks reverse current
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08/24/2012 05:41 PM
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
A little FYI..LiPo batteries have the potential to be one sixth the power of TNT if over charged or shorted.

like somebody else said, they require a smart charger and can easily be damaged if undercharged.
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Re: will this battery work with this inverter?
my solar panel is connected to this battery

and this battery (via 12v dc out port using this cable [link to www.opentip.com]

will be connected to this inverter to give AC power

or this inverter ( [link to www.ritzcamera.com]

will this work?
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

Depends on how big the solar panel is. If it's a small one, yeah you can use it to trickle charge. If it's got any wattage to it at all, you need a charge controller to avoid destroying the battery.

Your solar panel probably has a zener diode in it already - most of them do to prevent a battery attached to it from running the solar panel in reverse, but if it doesn't you'll need to put one of those in the circuit.

What do you plan on running off the inverter? Most of those cheap models don't put out s clean 60Hz 110rms sine wave, like most A/C powered devices like. If it's a toaster, it's not going to care. If it's delicate electronics, you could burn it out.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14118518

solar panel is 20 W 15.4 V 1.2 A

It came with 12 volt cigarette adapter so that's limiting it to 12 volt 1 amp right? That's same as battery input requirement
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

You need the solar panel to limit the voltage down from 15V to nearer 12V, have you got a link to the solar panel?
Daersoulkeeper (OP)

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08/24/2012 05:47 PM
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This is solar panel

Looks like it blocks reverse current
Quoting: Daersoulkeeper

as one of the reviewers state the information shown on the solar panel does not tell you IT COMES WITH 12VOLT CIGARETTE LIGHTER ADAPTER,.,,, hooks directly to solar panel...

that means it must reduce to 12 volt obviously right?

why do i need a smart charger for battery when its input is 12volt 1 amp...

my solar panel cant put out more then 1.2 amps at full sunlight and its cigarette adapter reduces to 12 volts...

Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 08/24/2012 05:49 PM
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I would NOT hook up a LiPo battery directly to a 30W solar panel. A good deep cycle gelpack SLA battery - you can probably get away with it, but make sure the solar panel has a zener diode in it.

Anything more than 30W and you have to have a charge controller.

If all you want to do is charge up USB devices, I think some of the outdoor shops sell solar panels that you can plug your cellphone directly into and trickle charge them without any of the intermediate steps you're thinking about.
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08/24/2012 05:50 PM
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I would NOT hook up a LiPo battery directly to a 30W solar panel. A good deep cycle gelpack SLA battery - you can probably get away with it, but make sure the solar panel has a zener diode in it.

Anything more than 30W and you have to have a charge controller.

If all you want to do is charge up USB devices, I think some of the outdoor shops sell solar panels that you can plug your cellphone directly into and trickle charge them without any of the intermediate steps you're thinking about.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14118518

the link has been given several times its 20 watt solar panel
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"We tested the power output of the PowerFilm 20 watt foldable solar panel before and after shooting the panel with a .40 cal Glock in each panel to demonstrate the durability of PowerFilm solar panels."

VIDEO OF THIS ABOVE
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Look at these - one of these models will probably meet your requirements.

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The Powerfilm 20 Watt Foldable Solar Charger (F15 – 1200) is the middle ground of the Foldable Solar chargers and weighs just under 1 lb. It produces 1.2 Amps at 15.4 Volts and folds up into a 10.5 in. x 6.5 in. rectangle.
List Price: \$418.99
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Modes of Operation

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Applications

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Complete with 3 frt cable and cigarette lighter adapter.
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Look at these - one of these models will probably meet your requirements.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14118518

my solar panel ALREADY is that...better than most of those actually

i can already hook my cell phone up directly to solar panel via cigarette lighter on solar..

im just TRYING to get a universal 3 prong to work with it
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lightchild after all that info, can you tell me. is it safe to hook my battery up to this? i feel like all the specs are perfect for it...

battery input is 12v 1 amp

my solar panel with cigarette lighter output is 12volt and my panel max output is 1.2 amp

(a cigarette lighter adapter doesnt allow more than 12 volt to go through it right?)

Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 08/24/2012 05:56 PM
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Found a better link for the solar panel

The solar panel outputs 12V @ 1A through a cigarette lighter socket.

The battery is charged from a wall mains adapter which has an output of 12V @1A

So I think it should work; maybe worth confirming with the manufacturer of the the battery and asking one of their techs?

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why would you need a smart charger?

LiPo is a different animal, falling below their charge range(undercharged)will damage them, overcharging a LiPo is dangerous and if it explodes, you wont want to be around it.

I take it you missed my post that said "LiPo has one sixth the power of TNT".

I'd go with a safer battery that can take multiple charges and discharges without as much risk, like NiCad
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The battery has a built-in over current protection and under voltage protection
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Thanks light Child! I guess I will stick with my adapters and not get any Power inverter until I get a larger battery or a bigger solar panel

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why would you need a smart charger?

LiPo is a different animal, falling below their charge range(undercharged)will damage them, overcharging a LiPo is dangerous and if it explodes, you wont want to be around it.

I take it you missed my post that said "LiPo has one sixth the power of TNT".

I'd go with a safer battery that can take multiple charges and discharges without as much risk, like NiCad
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22518653

Listen to this dude, he's right on.

My wife had LiPo and the shit that came outta her thighs was VERY dangerous. Made me puke all over myself. I had no idea it could explode too! Lucky for us it didn't.