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Encourage your State to Secede From the Union, Also some Reasons Why.

 
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Encourage your State to Secede From the Union, Also some Reasons Why.





Here are some Reasons why States should Leave the United States and Become their own, Independent Countries.

Our government is corrupt, they don't Follow the Constitution Anymore, They do just About anything they Want.

If you want your State to Secede from the United States, Meet your State Legislature, Convince them why your State should Leave the United States. Or Start/Join a Party/Movement that's Main Goal is your State Seceding from the United States. Get people in the Group to Campaign for State Legislature or you, yourself could Start a Campaign for State Legislature. Then Get the People of your state want your State to Secede from the United States.
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YAY, we could have boarders and checkpoints and big walls and more barb-wire and we could create different laws in every state and youed have to show your papers and maybe get the people to hate each other and maybe war with eachother and then cut communication or make it super expencive and then have vehicle restrictions from state to state,

sounds like a thriveing prison system.
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I would encourage all states to abolish the federal government. The feds were never meant to have the powers they have now.
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I didnt watch the video but still 5* :)

The only way to sort out the criminals in power is to remove that power away from then at the state level. This is the very reason why the fore fathers set up this approach to governance.
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Doesn't anybody remember the fireing of the justices that didn't work.

Remember, Bush tried to fire them and they said no.

Anyone ?
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....yeah some things like electricity could do without a meter.
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OP, did you know that some states have more legal support to secede than others?

For instance:

Texas - This is because Texas has been an independent nation before. After winning its independence from Mexico and prior to becoming a state, it was the Republic of Texas (1836-1845).

Kentucky - This is because (1) Kentucky is organizaed as a Commonwealth, a state in which the supreme power is held by the people (2) the Kentucky State Legislature passed what are called the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798 and 1799 which were written by Thomas Jefferson. Both Resolutions make it clear that the federal government derives its power from the states and not vice versa. The Kentucky Resolution of 1798 relied on the Bill of Rights to spell out the argument that the federal government had no right to exercise powers not delegated to it by the Constitution. The Kentucky Resolution of 1799 declared that the states could nullify objectionable federal laws.

[link to www.lexrex.com]

Virginia - This is because (1) Virginia is organized as a Commonwealth, a state in which the supreme power is held by the people (2) the Virginia General Assembly passed what are called the Virginia Resolutions of 1798 and 1799 which were written by James Madison in collaboration with Thomas Jefferson. Both were later considered the first notable statements of the states' rights doctrine. Both Resolutions make it clear that states rights preceded and, thus, supercede the rights of the federal government.

[link to www.lexrex.com]

Massachusetts - This is because Massachusetts is organized as a Commonwealth, a state in which the supreme power is held by the people.

Pennsylvannia - This is because Pennsylvania is organized as a Commonwealth, a state in which the supreme power is held by the people.

It is also clear that the 13 original American colonies whose people declared their independence from Great Britain each preceded the existance of the political entity known as the United States of America. Thus, the following states (or commonwealths) have more precedence for session than the rest of the states: Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Virginia. Note that all of Kentucky was originally only part of Augusta County, Virginia.

Here is an excerpt from the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798:

Resolved, That the several States composing, the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes — delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral part, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.

[link to www.lexrex.com]

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OP, did you know that some states have more legal support to secede than others?

For instance:

Texas - This is because Texas has been an independent nation before. After winning its independence from Mexico and prior to becoming a state, it was the Republic of Texas (1836-1845).

Kentucky - This is because (1) Kentucky is organizaed as a Commonwealth, a state in which the supreme power is held by the people (2) the Kentucky State Legislature passed what are called the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798 and 1799 which were written by Thomas Jefferson. Both Resolutions make it clear that the federal government derives its power from the states and not vice versa. The Kentucky Resolution of 1798 relied on the Bill of Rights to spell out the argument that the federal government had no right to exercise powers not delegated to it by the Constitution. The Kentucky Resolution of 1799 declared that the states could nullify objectionable federal laws.

[link to www.lexrex.com]

Virginia - This is because (1) Virginia is organized as a Commonwealth, a state in which the supreme power is held by the people (2) the Virginia General Assembly passed what are called the Virginia Resolutions of 1798 and 1799 which were written by James Madison in collaboration with Thomas Jefferson. Both were later considered the first notable statements of the states' rights doctrine. Both Resolutions make it clear that states rights preceded and, thus, supercede the rights of the federal government.

[link to www.lexrex.com]

Massachusetts - This is because Massachusetts is organized as a Commonwealth, a state in which the supreme power is held by the people.

Pennsylvannia - This is because Pennsylvania is organized as a Commonwealth, a state in which the supreme power is held by the people.

It is also clear that the 13 original American colonies whose people declared their independence from Great Britain each preceded the existance of the political entity known as the United States of America. Thus, the following states (or commonwealths) have more precedence for session than the rest of the states: Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Virginia. Note that all of Kentucky was originally only part of Augusta County, Virginia.

Here is an excerpt from the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798:

Resolved, That the several States composing, the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes — delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral part, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.

[link to www.lexrex.com]

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Yes, I did know that.
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Would you Encourage your state to leave the Union?
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THE STATE OF WASHINGTON WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY BROUGHT INTO THE UNITED STATES---IT IS NOT REALLY APART OF THE UNITED STATES..
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So.......you're a traitor?
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God knows we tried!

But the federal government declared war on our civilians and proceeded to burn and starve them to death in massive numbers. General Sherman even admitted he was waging war on civilians.
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So.......you're a traitor?
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There is Really Nothing left We can do, we can Try to Break up the United States and turn the States into Independent countries, Leave the United States, or go to DC And Shoot all of the Corrupt Politicians.
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Pin this Please.
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God knows we tried!

But the federal government declared war on our civilians and proceeded to burn and starve them to death in massive numbers. General Sherman even admitted he was waging war on civilians.
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The War wasn't lost at Appomattox, it was just put on hold.




We Dare Defend Our Rights.
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So.......you're a traitor?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22614440


There is Really Nothing left We can do, we can Try to Break up the United States and turn the States into Independent countries, Leave the United States, or go to DC And Shoot all of the Corrupt Politicians.
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Balkanization is inevitable at this point.

"The North West hates the South East, which hates the North East and the East Coast, which hates the West Coast, both hate the Central Plains and the South, and everybody hates D.C." -AC

I read that on a MSM site in the comments section last night. Pretty much sums up where we stand...divided.
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So.......you're a traitor?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22614440


There is Really Nothing left We can do, we can Try to Break up the United States and turn the States into Independent countries, Leave the United States, or go to DC And Shoot all of the Corrupt Politicians.
 Quoting: Zman458


Balkanization is inevitable at this point.

"The North West hates the South East, which hates the North East and the East Coast, which hates the West Coast, both hate the Central Plains and the South, and everybody hates D.C." -AC

I read that on a MSM site in the comments section last night. Pretty much sums up where we stand...divided.
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eh

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