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ladyannie2009 User ID: 20770442  United States10/02/2012 02:26 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what if: Quoting: ladyannie2009 The hacker story is a cover-story, and there was no break-in. Missile is used (which of course would have been the agreed upon plan in the first place) They'll break with the news about hacker...and that'll be the story all over the MSM tomorrow. Then, reporters will attach the missing nuke from minot with the hack job, and feign fake shock & horror Then, the missle is used on GOM, either by TPRB, or China (maybe that's the rice reference??) serving serveral purposes. 1--all blame goes to china, and the 'proper' response would be to hit them back. China becomes the bad guy. They get their war AND martial law...and then if/when the madrid pops, China will take that the blame for that as well They've gotta be VERY aware of all the chatter on this site and others.....so it will rid them of any/all evidence, while at the same time, completing their planned agenda, O becomes the great hero, election suspended, martial law, madrid pops.... And it's ALL china's fault no way I would have thought this was truly possible  "the truth will stand up, when nothing else will" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14276661 United States10/02/2012 02:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New Orleans plays at home on Sunday night Quoting: Paa Tal 10/7 San Diego 10/14 Bye week 10/21 at Tampa Bay 10/28 at Denver 11/5 Philadelphia  to that idea.., remember all the blown out and exploded stadiums lately thought to be imagery foretelling the olympics false flag? well, in the new batman movie the stadium doesnt blast away, the player on the field is running away from the field COLLAPSING behind him (sinking?) just a different way to look at it....... and the player was dressed in black and gold...many thought it was Pittsburgh in black and yellow. It was Pittsburgh. They filmed a good bit of the final fight sequences of the last Batman movie in Pittsburgh. The stadium was Heinz field (you can even see the sign for it in the movie). Rather than have to dress thousands of extras in "Gotham" colors, they just had them show up with their Steelers gear and made the Gotham team colors black & gold. |
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| SkinnyChic User ID: 24728926 United States10/02/2012 02:35 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't know what to think about this...but thought it relates to the China theory just mentioned. [link to www.youtube.com] SkinnyChic |
| seeker2 User ID: 24684472  Thailand10/02/2012 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing I posted yesterday explained that this particular sink hole is different than most. In that the brine pit (sink hole) sits on the side of the salt dome, not directly over it. So as with the lake that was formed by a sink hole in the sixties and then which collapse further in the eighties sinking boat and sucking in water for days. We have a similar situations. The salt dome is not full of water but the adjoining brine pit is and is draining at this point slowly into the salt dome. This could change at any minute, if the flow between the two increase. This is one error I see in ET synopsis. sk |
| Dangerwalt User ID: 22103379  Brazil10/02/2012 02:44 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let the reader understand: I will never go back to Blue BAYOU, there will be no place for the Children to play soon. May as well eat RICE dogs from RICE Dog 7. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2001016 I am DEPUTY Dawg. Boss says can't say much, BIG BOSSES won't tell anyone THE TRUTH. But good people always find a workaround. Avoid the censors, no need for a V-chip here. Please think hard about this. Remember things MUST get worse before they get better. I'm always at HOME when I make ASSUMPTIONS, but sooner or later you can NEVER go home again. Much love people. And pray always. Man is thread is crazy. just thinking too much here. eat Rice dogs from RICE Dog 7? the only thing that comes to my mind is Rice Dog. Maybe eat Rural Development? water + corexit/synthia,maybe some contamination spreading? ok ok,I think I'm going crazy I know.  Just one any.... The first symptom of stupidity is to think that we already know everything... |
| The Feline Funkadelic User ID: 1506838 United States10/02/2012 02:52 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure if this was already addressed (because you guys are so damn quick and efficient sharing your info! great stuff), but this caught my eye for a few reasons. [link to www.nbc33tv.com] First off, I remember some folks from the Baton Rouge area saying they hadn't heart much, if anything at all about the sinkhole -- well here you go. This article/site is from a BR local NBC station. BAYOU CORNE, LA (NBC33) — Texas Brine officials say crews began removing debris from on top of the sinkhole this morning. They say once the debris is gone they can use another machine to soak up oil and other liquids left on top the hole. The company says clean efforts stopped for a while before today, because of safety concerns. Assumption Parish officials are asking folks to be aware that the diesel smell could temporarily get worse while crews clean up and move things around. Sure, cleaning or attempting to clean up will make it smell worse, but what I really think is going on is they HAVE to say this, so when it starts REALLY reeking, they have that to fall back on when people get even more fed up and want answers. I don't think the whole reason it'll smell is from "cleanup", I think that sinkhole is like a festering wound. The more you pick and poke at it, the more you're going to draw out. In this case, it's all those toxic elements and the crude oil.. it won't smell worse from cleaning, it'll smell worse because they're going to MAKE it worse.. at least that's my opinion.. "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Particle physics gives me a hadron. |
| The Feline Funkadelic User ID: 1506838 United States10/02/2012 03:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A user (Blackhawkie) just posted this on his thread, I wanted to share it here, and go show some love on his thread! Thread: ALERT - Sink Hole - Northcomm - Mission Assumption Last Edited by The Feline Funkadelic on 10/02/2012 03:05 AM "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Particle physics gives me a hadron. |
| TeamReaper User ID: 22030141 United States10/02/2012 03:15 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if the problem is a combination of things and Assumption is one of the symptoms of the big picture? Quoting: taniatarn Starting with the SPR ( strategic Petroleum reserves ) which are Americas emergency fund so to speak....located in SALT DOMES along the Gulf Of Mexico.. [link to www.earthlyissues.com] ANd lets say the whole area is compromised....that is to say the SPR is leaking....theres a hole in the boat so to speak....what would this mean for the Nation? or perhaps the supply has been compromised by Synthia/Corexit...perhaps synthia or corexit is eating away at the salt domes as well...so not only do we have the strategic petroleum leaking away but all manner of chemicals entering the water in the area as well.... the SPR are located in -Bryan Mound - stalking_is_a_crime, Texas. 20 caverns with a storage capacity of 254 million barrels (40,400,000 m3) with a drawdown capacity of 1.5 million barrels (240,000 m3) per day. -Big Hill - Winnie, Texas. Has a capacity of 160 million barrels (25,000,000 m3) with a drawdown capacity of 1.1 million barrels (170,000 m3) per day. This facility is planned to be expanded by 250 million barrels (40,000,000 m3) with a new drawdown capacity of 1.5 million barrels (240,000 m3) per day. -West Hackberry - Lake Charles, Louisiana. Has a capacity of 227 million barrels (36,100,000 m3) with a drawdown capacity of 1.3 million barrels (210,000 m3) per day. -Bayou Choctaw - Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Has a capacity of 76 million barrels (12,100,000 m3) with a maximum drawdown rate of 550,000 barrels (87,000 m3) per day. This facility is planned to be expanded to 109 million barrels (17,300,000 m3) with a new drawdown capacity of 600,000 barrels (95,000 m3) per day. [link to en.wikipedia.org] This would threaten the very foundation of America and is not something that the powers that be would want widely known.... Now that it is known hydrocarbons have breached the bottom of the dome at Assumption...is it possible that the oil itself has mutated with synthia/Corexit and is now eating away at everything...including the Methane Barrier? Just my two cents worth cause I keep coming back to what is located near the area in Assumption and the areas referenced in Texas is the SPR...so just throwing it out there... If corexit/synthia (mainly synthia) has made it into these caverns and is working it way towards the national oil reserves it would explain a lot. For example, the increase of gas pressure in these caverns would be caused by synthia. When a bacteria breaks down anything gases are released as a byproduct, generally in the form of gas but sometime in the form of hydrocarbon (methane) hydrates. Which would increase the pressure around the cavern. Even if synthia is not apart of this methane hydrates might be present. This would also satisfy the hinting at the word HYDRATES that was hinted as something that needed to be looked at by ET. "Methane hydrate looks like water ice, but its behaviour is very different. It is known as "burning ice", because it burns when a lighted match is put to it." From- [link to www.whatischemistry.unina.it] That definitely makes sense...I wish I had a bit more of a scientific mind to understand whether this bacteria breaching salt domes is a possibility....it definitely does seem so now that they are saying hydrocarbons have breached the bottom of the cavern. It is possibly eating through everything.. IT would also mean that the SPR are worthless...no-one will want oil contaminated with a bacteria that is consuming the very product they are buying!.... It just seems to me to be a way that ties in to a really big picture that would threaten the stability of the USA. And I am also betting that if this is the case...they are going to try and create a false flag as an explanation to sell to the public as to what has happened... Bingo! That is the why ET keeps saying intentional. What ever they pull, to try to cover up the cause, will probably make it worse too. it is all coming to a head at the time they want (hence why i asked how familiar dr was with cobb-douglas and solow. if the SPR are tainted/contaminated and then add in: in economics they use an equation mv=pq where m = money supply, v = velocity of money, p = avg price of all goods, and q is the quantity of all goods/services sold in a yr. mv=pq=GDP (gross domestic product) here is why QE happened: during a recesion ppl buy less goods/services, so p * q(smaller q than before), thus a lower GDP. well that cant happen, ppl would flee the dollar quickly. so they increase the money supply, which drives up prices and results in a higher, but "inflated GDP." perfect storm: 1) contaminated SPR 2) GDP/Dollar plunge 3) Petro-dollar no longer exclusive 4) Salt caverns - (over pressurized-compressed air energy supply (CAES), sinkhole, destabilized NM fault) 5) election that is why RAND (Research ANd Development) is so important. it is a global policy think tank (govt and private funded) "RAND aims for interdisciplinary and quantitative problem solving via translating theoretical concepts from formal economics and the hard sciences into novel applications in other areas; that is, via applied science and operations research." [link to en.wikipedia.org] "Current areas of expertise include: child policy, civil and criminal justice, education, health, international policy, labor markets, national security, infrastructure, energy, environment, corporate governance, economic development, intelligence policy, long-range planning, crisis management and disaster preparation, population and regional studies, science and technology, social welfare, terrorism, arts policy, and transportation." the sinkhole/salt cavern/SPR is only ONE piece on their game board. In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when it’s there. -Major ******, U-2 Pilot/Instructor/Flight Commander |
| seeker2 User ID: 24684472 Thailand10/02/2012 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a picture of the sink hole in relation to the salt dome. The second diagram down shows the sink hole (Red circle around it in relation to the salt dome itself. wow. [link to enenews.com] Here is better representation. holly shit [link to enenews.com] The sink hole is like a drop in a bucket compared to the size of the salt dome. If they both go, omg. sk Last Edited by seeker2 on 10/02/2012 04:05 AM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8298598  France10/02/2012 05:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let the reader understand: I will never go back to Blue BAYOU, there will be no place for the Children to play soon. May as well eat RICE dogs from RICE Dog 7. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2001016 I am DEPUTY Dawg. Boss says can't say much, BIG BOSSES won't tell anyone THE TRUTH. But good people always find a workaround. Avoid the censors, no need for a V-chip here. Please think hard about this. Remember things MUST get worse before they get better. I'm always at HOME when I make ASSUMPTIONS, but sooner or later you can NEVER go home again. Much love people. And pray always. Has someone already mentionned CONDOLEEZA RICE? |
| seeker2 User ID: 24805397 Thailand10/02/2012 05:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Here is the draiwing of the salt dome, notice the size of the sink hole in relation to the size of the salt dome. The swirling must be water draining and swirling in the process of leaving the sink hole and entering the Dome. Which over time will probably accelerate. do to the low salt content of the water in the sink hole. sk |
| Cobb User ID: 9474835 United States10/02/2012 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Latest: Sinkhole Briefing: Whole area being monitored for subsidence — Concern about stability of entire salt dome — Residents ask if venting gas out of ground could cause further collapse (VIDEO) [link to enenews.com] We're all here for only a short time......regardless! "Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes." -Oscar Wilde :indians-29: |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24805195 United States10/02/2012 06:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24712345 phosgene and yes that and the microbial stuff that was being discussed. I have the links bookmarked for the phosgene & the munitions dumping. It was one of my earlier posts. I stated on an earlier post that I found this thread & GLP because I was researching the sinkhole. I have been following RadChick & DutchSinse about Fukushima which lead me to the sinkhole to other research to here. Anyway, I can re-post the phosgene & munitions dump sites if you want. nah. if there was any phosgene involved with this situation there would be a lot of dead cajuns laying all over the place. ... Quoting: Halo2Alexis™ ... That's exactly what i'm thinking. Cover up. And it smells. Badly. Now, the contents of the leak are draining into the GOM, and the air. the more you look, the worse it gets. Pine Bluff is at the start of the Bayou Bartholomew ( longest bayou in the world - 364 miles). look at home much flooding the have had since 2009 from the comments section on the cbs news link (2nd comment) From the comments section: Wheeler's military career included writing one of the most important manuals on the effectiveness of biological and chemical weapons which led to his being hired in 2009 as a consultant to the Mitre Corporation, whose aviation system development department, the GRU reports, is at the forefront of creating the computer command and control systems used by the US Air Force in their fleet of aerial spraying planes Important to note about the Pine Bluff Arsenal, which calls itself "America's Arsenal", is that it is one of the World's most specialized munitions and chemical-biological defense products and services bases which Russia had previously accused of not fully reporting the chemical agents removed from Iraq, between 2003 and 2008, and taken to the US for testing and subsequent destruction. According to this report, the US relocated from Iraq to the Pine Bluff Arsenal an estimated 63,000 metric tonnes of the poisonous gas Phosgene that is described as one of the most feared chemical weapons ever used due to its ability to literally cause the lungs and respiratory system to explode. Nearly immediately after Russia accused the US this past summer of not fully destroying Iraq's Phosgene poisonous gas stockpile the Pine Bluff Arsenal began an 'accelerated' disposal programme injecting it deep into the ground in central Arkansas, but which, unfortunately, since this past September, has caused over 500 minor earthquakes to occur raising the concerns of their local population. Why bring phosgene to the states for disposal? Or is it for something else?  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18987435 10/02/2012 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I woke up with math in my head. Love when that happens, not. Gas laws: If the volume of a container is not fixed, increasing the temperature will cause a gas to expand (increase the volume), and contract when cooled (decreasing the volume). This would be the case for a gas inside a piston, or inside a rubber balloon. If the volume is fixed, then increasing the temperature will increase the pressure, and decreasing the temperature will decrease the pressure. This would be the case for a gas in a closed solid container, like a canister or sealed metal box. Increasing pressure will cause the gas to contract (reducing the volume), and decreasing the pressure will cause the gas to expand (increasing the volume). Again, this is if the volume is not fixed. If the volume is fixed, then increasing the pressure will increase the temperature, and decreasing the pressure will decrease the temperature. These concepts are all determined by something called the Ideal Gas Law. Gases can also be changed to a liquid or solid if the temperature is too low or the pressure is too high. As an example steam changes to a liquid when it touches a cold object, and nitrogen gas can be converted to liquid nitrogen by compressing it to very high pressures. so, in short with the information given the nitrates, melting means the pressure is very high (or the temp is increasing which also increases pressure which could become its own domino effect depending on the nature of the container) Hydrates are formed with INCREASED pressure and MELT with DECREASED pressure. Since they are relieving pressure by removing material from the sinkhole, the hydrates will melt if they are formed at the bottom if the temp is right. OK, I need my coffee now....if I am off please correct and/or expand on this. [link to www.llnl.gov (secure)] [link to www.epmag.com] There is a good explanatory chart here on hydrates as it relates to temp and pressure to help explain. ET and dawgs both said to do the MATH. I woke up with math in my head. Need java lol |
| taniatarn User ID: 7513323  New Zealand10/02/2012 07:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looking at how salt domes work I am puzzled by two things.... Firstly..It has been repeatedly mentioned that Texas Brine may have breached the salt dome wall back in 2010 when drilling above the domes roof. But the information is also stating that it is believed the cavern has been breached in the lower portion of the cavern....so could not be due to Texas Brines drilling. They were suspicious that they had breached the dome because the cavern lost pressure suggesting a breach. Then I look at this diagram that shows an example of how caverns are actually positioned in a dome....how on earth could a breach just occur... [link to www.geostockus.com] Maybe the water from the gulf is slowing rising up from below- which would push any oil up above it ( oil floats on water ...then gas above the oil.. )....and all the toxic sludge and corexit etc etc If that is the case though symptoms will start appearing in other areas as well- maybe they already are... Apparently there has been increasing bubbling at Lake Peigneur.. "Mysterious gas bubbles plaguing Bayou Corne sinkhole area are also increasing at Lake Peigneur, 80 miles west of the sinkhole, say Mills and his constituents" [link to www.examiner.com] It is also interesting to see the correlation between Lake Peigneur and the Gulf. "Lake Peignoir with no water due the storm drawing the water out to the gulf. You can walk to the other side and you don't see this to often!" [link to iwitness.weather.com] Interested observer of all things interesting! Please note : Where appropriate for posted images/ graphs I acknowledge the New Zealand GeoNet project and its sponsors EQC, GNS Science and LINZ, for providing data/images used in my study and analyses of Volcanic and Earthquake information in New Zealand. |
| taniatarn User ID: 7513323 New Zealand10/02/2012 07:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great article on the pumping of waste water from the oil industry....well worth a read- here is a small snippet... The pumping of waste water underground is nothing new - in fact it has been standard practice for the oil and gas industry for over 70 years. The pumping water into oil-fields is a lucrative way of squeezing more fossil fuels out, keeping the pressure in the reservoir high, even as oil is extracted. But what the ProPublica report reveals is the scale of the activity, and the struggle that regulators are having in keeping tabs on 100,000's of injection wells. And it is only now, after decades of squeezing waste water back into the ground, that the problems are - literally -starting to bubble to the surface. While the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has struggled to keep up with inspections on the 150,000 active injection wells in the US, those inspections that have been done have revealed 17,000 wells that violated regulations. Over 7,000 of these wells had casings - there to stop waste water leaking into drinking water supplies - that had failed in some way. And in at least 140 cases, it was found that companies were injecting waste unlawfully. [link to www.earthtimes.org] Interested observer of all things interesting! Please note : Where appropriate for posted images/ graphs I acknowledge the New Zealand GeoNet project and its sponsors EQC, GNS Science and LINZ, for providing data/images used in my study and analyses of Volcanic and Earthquake information in New Zealand. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23955029 United States10/02/2012 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | East Texas here. This will be my last post for a long time, possibly ever. The Dawgs also are no longer barking. All our energy must be directed to doing our jobs, and doing what we can for OUR families. I know you understand. The synopsis stands. But there are new issues popping up almost hourly however it only changes the timing or the severity, but the synopsis still stands. We did what we could CUZZ that's what we do. God be with you all. Do what you have to do for your family. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24752810 United States10/02/2012 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1461956 was the ID# from the last post saying dawgs are still barking everywhere. Now you want us to believe that no dawgs are barking and this is just the end? You want us to believe that so much has changed in 12 hours that info is going to stop? For a group that came out and proclaimed to want to give info for others to be informed as well as gaining information from our investigations, focusing solely on your own families now seems a tad selfish IMHO. Doubtful....this is all very doubtful. |
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| IndigoMoon User ID: 18226170 United States10/02/2012 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1461956 was the ID# from the last post saying dawgs are still barking everywhere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24752810 Now you want us to believe that no dawgs are barking and this is just the end? You want us to believe that so much has changed in 12 hours that info is going to stop? For a group that came out and proclaimed to want to give info for others to be informed as well as gaining information from our investigations, focusing solely on your own families now seems a tad selfish IMHO. Doubtful....this is all very doubtful. Ditto. And this is the only post from ID# 23955029 |
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| seeker2 User ID: 24809447 Thailand10/02/2012 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | btw for those that are unaware an IP address can be changed through using a proxy. Depending on which proxy is used, can also define what ID number shows up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24752810 My GLP log in ID number changes every time I connect and disconnect from the internet, so the number means little. sk Check out my first post on this page it is a different ID number than this post. sk |
| IndigoMoon User ID: 18226170 United States10/02/2012 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | btw for those that are unaware an IP address can be changed through using a proxy. Depending on which proxy is used, can also define what ID number shows up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24752810 My GLP log in ID number changes every time I connect and disconnect from the internet, so the number means little. sk Check out my first post on this page it is a different ID number than this post. sk Thanks for clarifying that. Mine has stayed constant, I think. But, I don't pay much attention to it either. |
| Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States10/02/2012 09:33 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thermogenic hydrates. [link to pubs.usgs.gov] [snip] Methane hydrates in the gulf are found near faults and vents. There is a clear association between fault zones and other manifestations of tectonic-related processes, and gas hydrates. 75% of hydrates are found in these conditions.. In contrast, the manufacture of thermogenic hydrocarbon gases usually occurs at subbottom depths exceeding 1,000 m. These hydrocarbon gases are produced under conditions of high temperature and great pressure from kerogens (which are derived from organic matter). With respect to methane as a thermogenic gas, it is dominant only in the last stage of hydrocarbon production. If identified in a hydrate, thermogenic methane may indicate considerable upward migration of the gas. |
| Disillusioning User ID: 24812165 United States10/02/2012 09:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thermogenic hydrates. Quoting: Waterbug [link to pubs.usgs.gov] [snip] Methane hydrates in the gulf are found near faults and vents. There is a clear association between fault zones and other manifestations of tectonic-related processes, and gas hydrates. 75% of hydrates are found in these conditions.. In contrast, the manufacture of thermogenic hydrocarbon gases usually occurs at subbottom depths exceeding 1,000 m. These hydrocarbon gases are produced under conditions of high temperature and great pressure from kerogens (which are derived from organic matter). With respect to methane as a thermogenic gas, it is dominant only in the last stage of hydrocarbon production. If identified in a hydrate, thermogenic methane may indicate considerable upward migration of the gas. WOW--- Quoting: Disillusioning "Methane hydrates are volatile compounds — natural gas compressed into molecular cages of ice. They are stable in the extreme cold and crushing weight of deepwater, but are extremely dangerous when they build up inside the drill column of a well. If destabilized by heat or a decrease in pressure, methane hydrates can quickly expand to 164 times their volume." and "A sudden large scale release of methane hydrates is believed to have caused a mass extinction 55 million years ago" The pressure is released, now what. This is from a guardian article that explores the possibility that the BP explosion was caused by methane hydrates. I can't post the link here for some reasons. Just google "hydrates hydrocarbons oil" and read the guardian article. I woke up with math in my head. Love when that happens, not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18987435 Gas laws: If the volume of a container is not fixed, increasing the temperature will cause a gas to expand (increase the volume), and contract when cooled (decreasing the volume). This would be the case for a gas inside a piston, or inside a rubber balloon. If the volume is fixed, then increasing the temperature will increase the pressure, and decreasing the temperature will decrease the pressure. This would be the case for a gas in a closed solid container, like a canister or sealed metal box. Increasing pressure will cause the gas to contract (reducing the volume), and decreasing the pressure will cause the gas to expand (increasing the volume). Again, this is if the volume is not fixed. If the volume is fixed, then increasing the pressure will increase the temperature, and decreasing the pressure will decrease the temperature. These concepts are all determined by something called the Ideal Gas Law. Gases can also be changed to a liquid or solid if the temperature is too low or the pressure is too high. As an example steam changes to a liquid when it touches a cold object, and nitrogen gas can be converted to liquid nitrogen by compressing it to very high pressures. so, in short with the information given the nitrates, melting means the pressure is very high (or the temp is increasing which also increases pressure which could become its own domino effect depending on the nature of the container) Hydrates are formed with INCREASED pressure and MELT with DECREASED pressure. Since they are relieving pressure by removing material from the sinkhole, the hydrates will melt if they are formed at the bottom if the temp is right. OK, I need my coffee now....if I am off please correct and/or expand on this. [link to www.llnl.gov (secure)] [link to www.epmag.com] There is a good explanatory chart here on hydrates as it relates to temp and pressure to help explain. ET and dawgs both said to do the MATH. I woke up with math in my head. Need java lol DEFINTION: dis·il·lu·sion·ing- To free or deprive of illusion. -Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both- |
