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I'm trying to understand this as well. I absolutely have enough faith in our local officials that at the minimum, they would tell us not to drink the water (which I think most are not doing anyway), and provide bottled water for anyone that can't afford it.

I'm reading the letter over and over to try to understand what doesn't sit right with me. We have been told numerous times of risk of fire and explosion already, thus the mandatory evacuation.

But there has been nothing presented to us regarding these high levels of Methane, and that just doesn't fit with how they have been keeping us informed and updated.
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Patassa, been following the thread and the information you have been providing as a local. Am confused on your position as stated above and want to make sure I am clear about your first-hand perspective.

Why do you feel you “absolutely” have faith that local officials would inform the community about tainted drinking water when you say they have presented “nothing” about documented dangerous methane levels in well water? In other word, either the local officials’ intention is to release all available information to the community in the interest of safety - or it isn't.
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Read what I wrote again. I said I was trying to understand, that something about the letter didn't sit right with me, and yes, I absolutely have faith in local officials BUT, nothing has been said about the methane in the water, and THAT doesn't fit with how they have been previosuly communicating with us. I'm saying I'm confused because this isn't the norm, or type of communication/informing us of things that has kept that faith going.
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I'm trying to understand this as well. I absolutely have enough faith in our local officials that at the minimum, they would tell us not to drink the water (which I think most are not doing anyway), and provide bottled water for anyone that can't afford it.

I'm reading the letter over and over to try to understand what doesn't sit right with me. We have been told numerous times of risk of fire and explosion already, thus the mandatory evacuation.

But there has been nothing presented to us regarding these high levels of Methane, and that just doesn't fit with how they have been keeping us informed and updated.
 Quoting: Patassa


Patassa, been following the thread and the information you have been providing as a local. Am confused on your position as stated above and want to make sure I am clear about your first-hand perspective.

Why do you feel you “absolutely” have faith that local officials would inform the community about tainted drinking water when you say they have presented “nothing” about documented dangerous methane levels in well water? In other word, either the local officials’ intention is to release all available information to the community in the interest of safety - or it isn't.
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Read what I wrote again. I said I was trying to understand, that something about the letter didn't sit right with me, and yes, I absolutely have faith in local officials BUT, nothing has been said about the methane in the water, and THAT doesn't fit with how they have been previosuly communicating with us. I'm saying I'm confused because this isn't the norm, or type of communication/informing us of things that has kept that faith going.
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They did tell you about the methane in the water, natural gas has been the term normally used. Natural gas = Methane.
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10/07/2012 12:51 PM

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I'm trying to understand this as well. I absolutely have enough faith in our local officials that at the minimum, they would tell us not to drink the water (which I think most are not doing anyway), and provide bottled water for anyone that can't afford it.

I'm reading the letter over and over to try to understand what doesn't sit right with me. We have been told numerous times of risk of fire and explosion already, thus the mandatory evacuation.

But there has been nothing presented to us regarding these high levels of Methane, and that just doesn't fit with how they have been keeping us informed and updated.
 Quoting: Patassa


Patassa, been following the thread and the information you have been providing as a local. Am confused on your position as stated above and want to make sure I am clear about your first-hand perspective.

Why do you feel you “absolutely” have faith that local officials would inform the community about tainted drinking water when you say they have presented “nothing” about documented dangerous methane levels in well water? In other word, either the local officials’ intention is to release all available information to the community in the interest of safety - or it isn't.
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Read what I wrote again. I said I was trying to understand, that something about the letter didn't sit right with me, and yes, I absolutely have faith in local officials BUT, nothing has been said about the methane in the water, and THAT doesn't fit with how they have been previosuly communicating with us. I'm saying I'm confused because this isn't the norm, or type of communication/informing us of things that has kept that faith going.
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They did tell you about the methane in the water, natural gas has been the term normally used. Natural gas = Methane.
 Quoting: alexisj9



Yes, I know they did. As I said above, I've heard those exact same words quite a while back. Heard the lady from DHH say it herself at one of the meetings. That's why I don't understand all the panic about it now, as if it's new news, rather than simply DHHs "official" report. That might be why there has not been an official update about it on the parish website, and it's not that officials are "not telling the people". Does that make sense?

I mean everyone knows it's methane, including the bubbling in the bayous. That has never been a secret.

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When I say "nothing has been said", Alexis9, I am referring to this new report dated Oct 2nd.
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Yes it makes sense. This is just the report of the test. It's not new just confirmation.
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I hear a lot of activity down the road. I think it's the second vent well going in. I'm going to go try to get some video.
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That didn't take long. Sadly.


Syndrome -- Invasive Aspergillosis

Symptoms:
Brain: meningitis:

Ontology: UMLS: C0025289

Description: Symptoms of invasive aspergillosis include brain meningitis

[link to ci.vbi.vt.edu]

The information can be found about 1/3 of the way down the page.
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Thanks Wild1...for info. And for name. hf
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Yes it makes sense. This is just the report of the test. It's not new just confirmation.
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Okay...thanks.:-)
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I was following the links from another thread about a confirmed report of crimean congo, ended up turning into a several hour research project

There are 4 levels of biological safety labs, with bio-level 4 (bsl-4) being the most dangerous. No cure. No vaccines. Not always fatal perhaps, but bsl-4 does have a very high mortality rate. You can only treat the symptoms of the patient...theres no cure for the disease itself.

...snip...
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EXCELLENT research, thank you Lady Annie, will snoop around it more later, grand daughter birthday party in an hour! TY
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Methanex Proceeds With Louisiana Project

" to proceed with the relocation of a one million tonne methanol plant from its Chile site to Geismar, Louisiana"

"Geismar is an excellent location for a methanol project. It possesses world-class infrastructure, skilled workers and is a positive, low-risk environment in which to do business. It is also a large methanol-consuming region which offers the potential for substantial logistics cost savings. We have commenced dismantling of the plant and expect to receive all key permits by the end of 2012"

"The timing of this project is also excellent"

[link to brnoticias.info]


Geismar is west of BR also.
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[link to new.dhh.louisiana.gov]

[link to new.dhh.louisiana.gov]

I found just these 2 .
Just one any....

The first symptom of stupidity is to think that we already know everything...

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10/07/2012 01:09 PM

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I believe that the phosgene gas is a huge concern there. We all know that Mr. Wheeler supposedly had information on left overs from Iraq being stored in Arkansas. While I was on vacation in FL. Last week I did some investigating on Phosgene and found that it is also used in the oil industry and is potentially stored in salt domes. It also reacts badly with chlorinated hydrocarbons. I also found links between potentially stored left overs from Iraq being sent to LA. Phosgene has a list of horrible effects on the human body as stated previously on this thread.
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right. the phosgene... check!

Goofy Thum
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Remember John Wheeler Jr., and his bizarre death?
[link to www.cbsnews.com]


From the comments section:
Wheeler's military career included writing one of the most important manuals on the effectiveness of biological and chemical weapons which led to his being hired in 2009 as a consultant to the Mitre Corporation, whose aviation system development department, the GRU reports, is at the forefront of creating the computer command and control systems used by the US Air Force in their fleet of aerial spraying planes

Important to note about the Pine Bluff Arsenal, which calls itself "America's Arsenal", is that it is one of the World's most specialized munitions and chemical-biological defense products and services bases which Russia had previously accused of not fully reporting the chemical agents removed from Iraq, between 2003 and 2008, and taken to the US for testing and subsequent destruction.

According to this report, the US relocated from Iraq to the Pine Bluff Arsenal an estimated 63,000 metric tonnes of the poisonous gas Phosgene that is described as one of the most feared chemical weapons ever used due to its ability to literally cause the lungs and respiratory system to explode.

Nearly immediately after Russia accused the US this past summer of not fully destroying Iraq's Phosgene poisonous gas stockpile the Pine Bluff Arsenal began an 'accelerated' disposal programme injecting it deep into the ground in central Arkansas, but which, unfortunately, since this past September, has caused over 500 minor earthquakes to occur raising the concerns of their local population.
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Just a silly post but my ex used to say they should call nuclear power "puppy power"....make it softer and user friendly. Sort of like calling Methane "Natural" gas.
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Methanex Proceeds With Louisiana Project

" to proceed with the relocation of a one million tonne methanol plant from its Chile site to Geismar, Louisiana"

"Geismar is an excellent location for a methanol project. It possesses world-class infrastructure, skilled workers and is a positive, low-risk environment in which to do business. It is also a large methanol-consuming region which offers the potential for substantial logistics cost savings. We have commenced dismantling of the plant and expect to receive all key permits by the end of 2012"

"The timing of this project is also excellent"

[link to brnoticias.info]


Geismar is west of BR also.
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"Methanex will use LED FastStart — the state’s work force development program — and is expected to utilize the state’s Industrial Tax Exemption and Quality Jobs programs"

[link to theadvocate.com]
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Methanex Proceeds With Louisiana Project

" to proceed with the relocation of a one million tonne methanol plant from its Chile site to Geismar, Louisiana"

"Geismar is an excellent location for a methanol project. It possesses world-class infrastructure, skilled workers and is a positive, low-risk environment in which to do business. It is also a large methanol-consuming region which offers the potential for substantial logistics cost savings. We have commenced dismantling of the plant and expect to receive all key permits by the end of 2012"

"The timing of this project is also excellent"

[link to brnoticias.info]


Geismar is west of BR also.
 Quoting: TeamReaper


"Methanex will use LED FastStart — the state’s work force development program — and is expected to utilize the state’s Industrial Tax Exemption and Quality Jobs programs"

[link to theadvocate.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper



Canada-based methanol producer Methanex is mulling over the relocation of a second methanol plant to the US from Chile

[link to www.chemicals-technology.com]
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Methanex Proceeds With Louisiana Project

" to proceed with the relocation of a one million tonne methanol plant from its Chile site to Geismar, Louisiana"

"Geismar is an excellent location for a methanol project. It possesses world-class infrastructure, skilled workers and is a positive, low-risk environment in which to do business. It is also a large methanol-consuming region which offers the potential for substantial logistics cost savings. We have commenced dismantling of the plant and expect to receive all key permits by the end of 2012"

"The timing of this project is also excellent"

[link to brnoticias.info]


Geismar is west of BR also.
 Quoting: TeamReaper


"Methanex will use LED FastStart — the state’s work force development program — and is expected to utilize the state’s Industrial Tax Exemption and Quality Jobs programs"

[link to theadvocate.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper



Canada-based methanol producer Methanex is mulling over the relocation of a second methanol plant to the US from Chile

[link to www.chemicals-technology.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper


"The move follows a new pattern in North American methanol. The US and Canada have become a magnet for methanol projects in the past two years, mostly because of the shale gas revolution and its promise of cheap natural gas feedstock. "

[link to www.icis.com]
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I'm trying to understand this as well. I absolutely have enough faith in our local officials that at the minimum, they would tell us not to drink the water (which I think most are not doing anyway), and provide bottled water for anyone that can't afford it.

I'm reading the letter over and over to try to understand what doesn't sit right with me. We have been told numerous times of risk of fire and explosion already, thus the mandatory evacuation.

But there has been nothing presented to us regarding these high levels of Methane, and that just doesn't fit with how they have been keeping us informed and updated.
 Quoting: Patassa


Patassa, been following the thread and the information you have been providing as a local. Am confused on your position as stated above and want to make sure I am clear about your first-hand perspective.

Why do you feel you “absolutely” have faith that local officials would inform the community about tainted drinking water when you say they have presented “nothing” about documented dangerous methane levels in well water? In other word, either the local officials’ intention is to release all available information to the community in the interest of safety - or it isn't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17382291



Read what I wrote again. I said I was trying to understand, that something about the letter didn't sit right with me, and yes, I absolutely have faith in local officials BUT, nothing has been said about the methane in the water, and THAT doesn't fit with how they have been previosuly communicating with us. I'm saying I'm confused because this isn't the norm, or type of communication/informing us of things that has kept that faith going.
 Quoting: Patassa


I'm trying to understand this as well. I absolutely have enough faith in our local officials that at the minimum, they would tell us not to drink the water (which I think most are not doing anyway), and provide bottled water for anyone that can't afford it.

I'm reading the letter over and over to try to understand what doesn't sit right with me. We have been told numerous times of risk of fire and explosion already, thus the mandatory evacuation.

But there has been nothing presented to us regarding these high levels of Methane, and that just doesn't fit with how they have been keeping us informed and updated.
 Quoting: Patassa


Patassa, been following the thread and the information you have been providing as a local. Am confused on your position as stated above and want to make sure I am clear about your first-hand perspective.

Why do you feel you “absolutely” have faith that local officials would inform the community about tainted drinking water when you say they have presented “nothing” about documented dangerous methane levels in well water? In other word, either the local officials’ intention is to release all available information to the community in the interest of safety - or it isn't.
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Read what I wrote again. I said I was trying to understand, that something about the letter didn't sit right with me, and yes, I absolutely have faith in local officials BUT, nothing has been said about the methane in the water, and THAT doesn't fit with how they have been previosuly communicating with us. I'm saying I'm confused because this isn't the norm, or type of communication/informing us of things that has kept that faith going.
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you go pat! you're the most believable person on this thread. word of advice, when they question certain things like local officials, that means you've hit a nerve in the govt shills agenda. keep digging! sounds like the local officials are on the dole and they have a fleet of shills making these threads n order to control the information. That is their MO. They did this crap during the PB oil spill too. watch out for viruses, that will be next. BP was passing them through google search, ones that acted like a virus protection. you are just one in a line that have asked on just this thread, and they have all been censored on a AC thread. AC threads aren't supposed to be able to edit. Who edits this thread? Pat, you are chatting with govt shills, know this. be strong. stay alert, stay alive.
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Methanex Proceeds With Louisiana Project

" to proceed with the relocation of a one million tonne methanol plant from its Chile site to Geismar, Louisiana"

"Geismar is an excellent location for a methanol project. It possesses world-class infrastructure, skilled workers and is a positive, low-risk environment in which to do business. It is also a large methanol-consuming region which offers the potential for substantial logistics cost savings. We have commenced dismantling of the plant and expect to receive all key permits by the end of 2012"

"The timing of this project is also excellent"

[link to brnoticias.info]


Geismar is west of BR also.
 Quoting: TeamReaper


"Methanex will use LED FastStart — the state’s work force development program — and is expected to utilize the state’s Industrial Tax Exemption and Quality Jobs programs"

[link to theadvocate.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper



Canada-based methanol producer Methanex is mulling over the relocation of a second methanol plant to the US from Chile

[link to www.chemicals-technology.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper


"The move follows a new pattern in North American methanol. The US and Canada have become a magnet for methanol projects in the past two years, mostly because of the shale gas revolution and its promise of cheap natural gas feedstock. "

[link to www.icis.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper



Methane to methanol
[link to opensourceecology.org]
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yes,there is a huge reservoir of natural gas (methane)
underneath southern louisiana, and it is this
gas that is leaking up all over the place and
threatening to make all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans), uninhabitable.

and, the experts are beginning to call this event "The Matt Simmons Syndrome".
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I will eat dog shit if Patassa actually produced first hand video , let alone first hand anything. I noticed he conveniently didn't see my very easy suggestion to prove his legitimacy of location even after he said he was open to any suggestions.

This guy(s) is a shill professor. I bet this thread will be used as a training example in the future. I can imagine seeing the new shills faces when shown the exquisite work of the "Great Patassa!"
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yes,there is a huge reservoir of natural gas (methane)
underneath southern louisiana, and it is this
gas that is leaking up all over the place and
threatening to make all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans), uninhabitable.

and, the experts are beginning to call this event "The Matt Simmons Syndrome".
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links or it didn't happen
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I will eat dog shit if Patassa actually produced first hand video , let alone first hand anything. I noticed he conveniently didn't see my very easy suggestion to prove his legitimacy of location even after he said he was open to any suggestions.

This guy(s) is a shill professor. I bet this thread will be used as a training example in the future. I can imagine seeing the new shills faces when shown the exquisite work of the "Great Patassa!"
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ewww, you have stinky breath
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I will eat dog shit if Patassa actually produced first hand video , let alone first hand anything. I noticed he conveniently didn't see my very easy suggestion to prove his legitimacy of location even after he said he was open to any suggestions.

This guy(s) is a shill professor. I bet this thread will be used as a training example in the future. I can imagine seeing the new shills faces when shown the exquisite work of the "Great Patassa!"
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It's uploading now. As is your pic of the local newspaper.

Will you be eating that dog shit on video for us as well?
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RadChick - another good find on synthia - thanks! Alexisj9 - the point was the samples were taken 9/18 and they wait until 10/3 to post. also of course there are other chemicals in there that have been found, just not reported in THIS press release. Sorry, I don't have time to go back in thread to find that evidence for you. ladyannie2009 - excellent info. Thanks for your hard work! Little miracles - ditto, west of baton rouge & good phosgene info. AC 23883145 - I agree..follow the money. Visionthing and AC 23651594 - thanks for the whistle blowers link. AC 1461956 - Thank you for all you do! Patassa - They ARE filtering what they tell you. they are not going to provide you with bottled water, though they should have done this and more all along. Goldielucks - I agree! Miabeleives - Exactly! of course they were selective where they took those samples from! Saddletramp - thanks for videos...I'll get there. AC25122258 - I agree! AC23102557 - True, they don't care and yes it goes back to money. Earth Cries - thanks for info! AC17382291 - I agree, intention is not to tell...they don't want mass panic sooner then scheduled. (sorry, couldn't help myself). SiniXster - Thanks...I'll get to it...so much catching up to do! Dangerwalt - thanks for additional links! Sorry if I missed someone. trying to catch up and these stuck out for me. wanted to respond but not fill up pages of thread doing so. hf
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yes,there is a huge reservoir of natural gas (methane)
underneath southern louisiana, and it is this
gas that is leaking up all over the place and
threatening to make all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans), uninhabitable.

and, the experts are beginning to call this event "The Matt Simmons Syndrome".
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links or it didn't happen
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well, if you had bothered to read the thread you
would see that it's been mentioned lots of times.
now this thread is all the link you need. walla
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New to ME info: a second identified fungus responsible for the meningitis deaths called Exserohilum.

Also a recall on other steroid drugs, both oral and topical as related to company accused.

[link to vitals.nbcnews.com]

I haven't seen this news anywhere else and I have been on and off researching since early this morning.

Something is fishy.
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RadChick - another good find on synthia - thanks! Alexisj9 - the point was the samples were taken 9/18 and they wait until 10/3 to post. also of course there are other chemicals in there that have been found, just not reported in THIS press release. Sorry, I don't have time to go back in thread to find that evidence for you. ladyannie2009 - excellent info. Thanks for your hard work! Little miracles - ditto, west of baton rouge & good phosgene info. AC 23883145 - I agree..follow the money. Visionthing and AC 23651594 - thanks for the whistle blowers link. AC 1461956 - Thank you for all you do! Patassa - They ARE filtering what they tell you. they are not going to provide you with bottled water, though they should have done this and more all along. Goldielucks - I agree! Miabeleives - Exactly! of course they were selective where they took those samples from! Saddletramp - thanks for videos...I'll get there. AC25122258 - I agree! AC23102557 - True, they don't care and yes it goes back to money. Earth Cries - thanks for info! AC17382291 - I agree, intention is not to tell...they don't want mass panic sooner then scheduled. (sorry, couldn't help myself). SiniXster - Thanks...I'll get to it...so much catching up to do! Dangerwalt - thanks for additional links! Sorry if I missed someone. trying to catch up and these stuck out for me. wanted to respond but not fill up pages of thread doing so. hf
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I agree, they don't want it out yet.
Lots of BS to shift through now, huh? Trying to cause confusion on who the true shills are. I think those of us who have been here from the start understand. tounge
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I am wondering what you guys think the connection is between the sinkhole issues and the meningitis? I have been following this thread for a couple of weeks now. I had to get a really account because of the ISP ban issues...first post. But I am not connecting the dots to those two things. Thanks! You all are doing a great job of bringing info about this.
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Wild1 - fishy indeed! AC23651594 - ohyeah
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Just thinking about how the capitalisation and lower case letters when grouped together revealed hidden messages in the DAWGS previous posts. In message quoted below he says something about having a "textual relationship....if you will"

Could that be a clue as to how to find the info hidden in this message? The previous dawg messages contained info in short sentences or individual words written separately. Perhaps the wall of text or textual relationship reference shows how to decide this to find the message within OP's message. I worked out a few possibilities but I'm sure someone with an eye for this will pull something out and perhaps we can compare notes. The Dawgs said we'd been given everything we needed. But unlike with previous posts... I don't believe we dissected this"WALL OF TEXT."

The message could be multi-dimensional with all layers having info that yields more clues. The top layer certainly does
Just a thought......


East Texas again. Check my AC number and previous posts. That should say enough. Also.....get ready for a wall of text. We are going to have a "textual relationship", if you will.

For the record, I don't think JASTO is a shill, but I don't think he has inside info either, I was referring to the previous post calling themselves "East Texas". That was not "me". Again, check the AC numbers. But the other "East Texas" said something about Jaws being right about the land sinking, and THAT is, in fact, true. We'll cover that below.

Rather than give a synopsis of 'Day One' up to now, that doesn't really help since we're going over old data. What we're going to talk about is basically where we are NOW, what the real issues are, and where we're going.

So here goes.

The sinkhole is getting bigger, which we know. Original OP and the various Dawgs have confirmed this BEFORE offical confirmation came. We can all agree on this point.

Not sure about how this affects the Butane-filled salt dome but it's obvious the sinkhole is getting bigger and eventually WILL. There are other issues with what may or may not be in that hole, we'll come back to that later.

The problem right now is not that the sinkhole is getting bigger, and oddly enough, NOT that it will probably compromise the Butane dome. There is a vortex (albeit slow at this point) that can only be caused by a constant flow of water into - and OUT OF - the sinkhole.

Here is the REAL PROBLEM. Where is that water coming from, and where is it going?

The BP Macondo incident is directly related. That pressure simply doesn't go away. As the pressures internally were disturbed and high rates, the substructures of the ground were also disturbed. As the high-pressure gas (from decaying methane hydrates) seeks a path of least resistance, water from the seabed is forced into these 'gas channels' where it can find the least resistance.

How does water get into 'high pressure gas pockets'? Not all of the gas reservoir is a constant pressure and size. A smaller cavern, off the main cavern, with a size-restricted flow into/out of that cavern can actually be at a LOWER PRESSURE than the main cavity. Think of this in the same way you would use a pressure regulator on a BBQ gas grille. Restrict the flow on the high side, and control at lower pressure on the low side.

In this way, water pressure from the compromised sea floor gets into these gas pockets where there is lower pressure for the water to enter the gas channels.

ALL of these gas structures, to one extent or another, are connected.

So to simplify (as I have understood it), the sinkhole/vortex was created by saltwater (conveniently disguised as BRINE) entering a pocket of gas from a source far, far away. And it takes time, like I don't know, two years or so since the BP incident?

So we know where the water is coming from. What we DON'T know is where the salt water is going, although the damaged water aquifers suggests that the water and gas pressure is moving northward/northeast, towards the Mississipi river, which makes sense since that entire river system is basically an ancient fault zone. Meaning there are compromised soil areas all through that area.

If the Butane dome is ruptured, it very well could be a catastrophic explosive event, certainly for the local area within a radius of 35 miles or so. The previous posts saying that 'he could never go home' is true. You pretty much better write off that area ever being habitable again.

The WORSE part of this is that if there is an abrubt explosive event, this will do two things: create enormous back-pressure throughout the rift to (1) the still-damaged BP Macondo seafloor, and (2) the Mississippi river "New Madrid" fault system.

You're seeing the big picture now.

This is where the "other East Texas" got some things right in regards to FEMA preps, etc. but I don't know what that poster was talking about in regards to Chinese troops and all that crap. But it's obvious that FEMA has been preparing for SOMETHING.

So this is what's happened by educated conjecture, and what the fears are of what's coming. But there are other concerns. Apparently there is some truth to part of the "Bezerk" thread regarding biomatter used to control the oil. This is a major concern because apparently traces of biomatter have been detected at the sinkhole site, which means that no one is sure if this was expected or not. Add to this the belief that there are, in fact, both nuclear waste AND possible deadly munitions dumps in not only this dome, but others in that area. And if the Butane dome ruptures, expect ALL of the domes in that area to rupture.

In other words, this is literally uncharted doom territory on a global scale.

It's hard not to hear when the Dawgs are barking.

Stay safe.
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