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Dangerwalt

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hey big Dawg,thanks.

Any possibility are the mississippi river is involved in all this?
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Don't focus on the guys from 106 FM.

Focus on the story itself, the facts that are supported by the evidence.

BP is the key. The fault line was compromised and set off a chain reaction. The domino effect is now in effect.

The radio guys are just playing it for what it's worth because that's what they do.

Focus on the actual story from the Gulf northward to NM and the outlying radius.
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I'm focused on the problem.
that's why I asked the question...
Just one any....

The first symptom of stupidity is to think that we already know everything...

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Somebody mentioned a while back that the track of the states with confirmed cases didn't seem logical since TX was in the pattern that the storm should have spread...well, there are 2 clinics in TX that received tainted vials, and both of them are pretty large operations. I won't be surprised to see cases announced in the state within a couple of days.
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CSS Assessment for Naturally Fractured Reservoirs

Page 41 (traveled 2 miles in 2 days):
[link to co2conference.net]

Starting to think there is an issue with a nearby coalbed methane that is effecting the salt cavern.
[link to www.searchanddiscovery.com]
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And by the way the radio station reference was to describe who I am -Big Dawg. The people at the radio station are completely uninvolved.

And furthermore we have sensed that some feel we are doing this to 'get credit' for exposing it. We could give two figs for credit. We are agitated that some are saying not to listen. THAT would be a mistake.

The record of accuracy of the Dawgs speaks for itself.

Let the reader understand.
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I roll with the dawgs yo. well, I run behind the car. Keep safe Big Dawg and please know that you are helping countless thousands of people every day here.....

Thank you.
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I'm not totally sure it is meningitis at all. The new and improved West Nile would seem more like the culprit. Just had a 50's something guy die from what they called WNV. Not even an hour from here. Oddly, it was included in the same blurb about the meningitis now in MN has killed 7 our of 9 or some shit.
I seem to remember the new super duty mosquito. I will see what I can find on it.

Here is one link, when ya read this, you can imagine what they could put in these mosquitoes! (someone will have to fix the link so they work, ty)
[link to humanosphere.kplu.org]

Another one in Brazil.... [link to latino.foxnews.com]

One from July when a British company was trying to get them released in Florida.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
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Strange Roaring Sound Recorded in Northwest Louisiana - What the hell is this?

Thread: Strange Roaring Sound Recorded in Northwest Louisiana - What the hell is this?

Listen around 5 mins in or so. EVERYTHING CONNECTED??? We have heard that many times by the DAWGS....
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According to ABC Nightime, 27 new cases, 91 cases total, 7 have died. Didn't catch how many states :(
Tracked to New England Compound Center, NECC
Hmmm, that was it. Some *rare* form of meningitis!
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10/08/2012 02:40 AM
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Big Dawg here. You were told previously that some data cannot be shared. This isn't from a desire to keep it from anyone but to protect certain individuals. The "watermark" analogy was previously used to explain how certain people have parts of the truth and others have other parts. Being too specific exposes the people holding that particular piece if the puzzle, as it were.

Of course questioning the staff might not get you anywhere, but if you're at all intuitive and I think you are you can tell when you're being buffaloed. The docs or nursing staff won't make eye contact, etc. in other words use your instincts. We honestly don't know what the specific issue is, other than the FACT cases are spreading and we think the meningitis story is a cover. Sorry but we cannot share anything specific. If that is not enough then maybe you should be watching TV right now instead of attempting to educate yourself on sites like this.

I frankly do not care about the concept of fear and neither do the Dawgs. Not happy if people are scared but if that means they are aware then mission accomplished.

Keep in mind everything previously posted by OP, East Texas, and the Dawgs met the same 'lack of proof' standard you're speaking of right now. In EVERY case the things they warned about have become fact.

Heed the warnings, don't heed them. Our conscience is clear.

Once again, 'let the reader understand'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25144320

Some of us understand why you can't expose yourselves with too much information. Thanks for all you do and can share!

I was reading up on synthia right before reading this Dawg post and it has a watermark built in...
Does this mean if it has somehow infected people, they could be tested and this stuff could be traced?
It is also a mighty good question why it was engineered to be resistant to antibiotics?

SAY HELLO TO SYNTHIA

In 2003, JCVI successfully synthesized a small virus that infects bacteria. By 2008, the JCVI team was able to synthesize a small bacterial genome. On May 6, 2010, JCVI revealed they had already created a self-replicating bacterial cell controlled by a chemically synthesized genome they named “synthetic Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0”. (7) This completely synthetic cell with its computer designed genome has absolutely no natural DNA. (1) The etc group from Canada named it Synthia and it contains added watermark chains to identify the genome as artificial. It also has antibiotic resistance indicators. (7) One can only speculate why this artificial bacterium has an inherent programmed capability to resist antibiotics.


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According to ABC Nightime, 27 new cases, 91 cases total, 7 have died. Didn't catch how many states :(
Tracked to New England Compound Center, NECC
Hmmm, that was it. Some *rare* form of meningitis!
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9 states with cases, and 23 states that received recalled doses of this injectable steroid, between July and September.
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hey big Dawg,thanks.

Any possibility are the mississippi river is involved in all this?
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Don't focus on the guys from 106 FM.

Focus on the story itself, the facts that are supported by the evidence.

BP is the key. The fault line was compromised and set off a chain reaction. The domino effect is now in effect.

The radio guys are just playing it for what it's worth because that's what they do.

Focus on the actual story from the Gulf northward to NM and the outlying radius.
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I'm focused on the problem.
that's why I asked the question...
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Yes, I know you've been following this thread and asking pertinent questions.
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Bumping the thread to keep it active
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ok, someone please help me understand! CDC says Fungal meningitis is rare and usually the result of spread of a fungus through blood to the spinal cord. Fungal meningitis is not contagious. [link to www.cdc.gov]
But then Meningitis Foundation of America says: Fungal meningitis, also known as Cryptococcus neoformans, is yeast found in soil throughout the world that usually strikes people with compromised immune systems.
Fungal meningitis is contracted by inhaling airborne yeast cells. The infection is uncommon and not easily spread to others, but serious and requires immediate medical attention. [link to www.meningitisfoundationofamerica.org] So one says not contagious and the other says it can be. wtf
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REPEAT:

Please posters . . .

Steer this thread back on track . . . to BP, the Gulf, LA sinkhole, Occidental, fault line, gas line criss-cross, New Madrid.
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That is my AC post above...sorry different computer and forgot to log in. Don't you see, it IS all connected!
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


No, I don't see. From what little I have read it is in the tubing? in the shot that is given to people with back pain?

Oh, the tubing is made from plastic which is made from petroleum ... Is that what you are saying?
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No but you make a very good point, plastic is made from Oil or something from the oil industry, if there's something in the oil it could easily be in plastic too.
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I don't think it's related, but :
Thread: Corn, Tobacco, and Rice engineered with HUMAN GENES

Human rice? hiding
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Do you guys think that maybe the people who were given the steroid shots are getting this disease first simply because the steroid diminishes their immune system and allows the spores from someplace else take hold?
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Also possible those steroids really mess with the immune system big time.
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in order to understand what the status of these plastic things could be, we need to answer a couple questions

where were they made? my guess china

was cindy oil used to make them? no way to know

where did they come into our country thru? maybe port of NO?

either way the possibility exhists that rather than the plastic being internally contaninated, I would suspect a biofilm. if glutonous cindy eats oil, why not plastic made with oil. if you eat meat, you eat meat. don't over think this stuff
trucks run down hwy 10 all day long. whats that gunk on the road? splash, nevermind
its not like any muddy trucks have been driving around the sinkhole and then hit the highway
or evacuees with their rvs, boats and
campers
i would look more towards the where did evacuees go, and such. any of these sick FROM la, and in another state
oil patch workers
fedral or fema workers or inspectors

oh and sorry reaper, no maps

but boy that doc I quoted is so interesting, people all should read it
salt is plastic, ya know
too LITTLE pressure causes salt caverns to contract
it the texas brine one had lost pressure, its wall could have been pushed by one of the caverns (53 in that dome, I think)
interesting doc, and boy have they killed lots of people in it from this same stuff

dr
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Yep I've read that, they expect any little cracks to just disappear as the salt slides over and fixes it's self, but it seems it's not something that happens indefinitely. Salt domes seem to have a shelf life.
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CSS Assessment for Naturally Fractured Reservoirs

Page 41 (traveled 2 miles in 2 days):
[link to co2conference.net]

Starting to think there is an issue with a nearby coalbed methane that is effecting the salt cavern.
[link to www.searchanddiscovery.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper


Did you say coal bed?

I knew they had shale there that they frack for methane, wasn't aware they were doing anything with coal. You got me thinking of that alight bit in one of the Dawg posts.
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Ok, I am going to stick to the medical since that is what I seem to know best right now.

1. There have already been two types of fungi that have been identified among the sick/deceased. Aspergillus and Exserohilum-both of these fungi are found in back yards -- Exserohilum can cause leaf spot but it's also been known to cause skin and sinus infections. Aspergillus causes lung infections in cancer, HIV and other patients with suppressed immune systems (think steroids)

2. The drugs at fault were made in what are called compound pharmacies. These facilities are not FDA regulated. Reason being, they take manufactured drugs and mix them with other compounds (at the sole discretion of the pharmacist) to create a 'new' drug. This 'new' drug is not required to be tested by the FDA for safety and if you do a google search you will see that ill effects from compound drugs are widespread.

3. These compound pharmacies often do their 'mixing' at the back room kitchen sink. While they do have state regulations to follow, contamination is more frequent than what you see from FDA regulated facilities. (one of the fungi identified is common and found on bread)

4.Protocol for patients admitted depend on presenting symptoms. (broad spectrum antibiotics are often given to patients suspected of having an infection-think killing off good and bad bacteria allows fungus to flourish) Fungus takes longer to grow as a collected specimen than bacteria, hence why the delay in getting the proper medication to the patients, as well as why it is taking so long for patients to present with symptoms. ( even fungi growing in spinal fluid will take a while to flourish and release its toxins)

The perfect storm was created. No drug regulation, contamination, misunderstood diagnosis and possible incorrect treatment upon presented symptoms.

As far as dawgs saying that this ties in and does not seem to be meningitis, well they are going to have to cough up some clues to back that up. So far, it appears, just as we are being told by the CDC. Just my two cents.
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By the way, the main reason I am stuck to this topic over the fault/GOM/dome is because while I can think logically about the medicinal issue, there is SOMETHING that still isn't sitting right with me about the whole thing.

I am not sure what it is...but something is off. For me, it's like one of those moments when you are speaking in public and you forget the next word....you know it's there, but for the life of you, can not remember it.
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By the way, the main reason I am stuck to this topic over the fault/GOM/dome is because while I can think logically about the medicinal issue, there is SOMETHING that still isn't sitting right with me about the whole thing.

I am not sure what it is...but something is off. For me, it's like one of those moments when you are speaking in public and you forget the next word....you know it's there, but for the life of you, can not remember it.
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Could this word be "doom"?

Thanks for your previous post, it's very clear.
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You are welcome.

My suggestion. If you have been the recipient of one of those shots, do not delay in getting treatment if you start feeling sick. Fungal infections are curable but hard to treat. Do not delay in seeking medical advice if you feel ill!!!
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Big Dawg here, important update on meningitis issue. Pay close attention to news stories and seek out friends or family who may become infected with 'meningitis' - question the medical staff and find out if meningitis truly fits the symptoms. We have learned a few things that give us reason to suspect that these 'cases' are being called meningitis - but are in fact something else.

From what we've learned the truth of this illness would in fact point directly to a substance used during the Deepwater Horizon incident (NOT Synthia and NOT Corexit but a bio component nonetheless). If true, therefore gives some proof of the connection between DWH and Assumption. More as we find out more.
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good morning all! just had some information I wanted to share. I've been doing much research, and will give a more detailed report asap, but I wanted to get this out there for anyone that it may help.

first, I am not a doctor or a nurse. this is an opinion and/or theory and should not be taken as fact. if you or a family member/friend are having medical symptoms that you are concerned about, please visit your doctor or clinic.

I have not been able to catch up on all of the threads, so if this has been discussed/mentioned, I apologize in advance.

there is a bacteria called 'listeria'.....it's often spread through contaminated food. fresh fruits and vegetables as well as anything processed. Including cheese.

the bacteria is nasty...very very nasty and can present itself as 'flu-like' symptoms. once the bacteria enters your body, the infecttion is called 'listeriosis'

incubation varies, so it's hard to know when/if someone was infected through a specific food source. but it can be anywhere from 3-70 days.

because the bacteria is aggressive and has such a wide range for incubation, it is common to be mis-diagnosed with either meningitis and/or encephelitis as these are SYMPTOMS of a listeria infection because the bacteria migrate to the spinal/brain fluid.

in the past couple of months, there have been food recalls on spinach, butter (microwave popcorn), and various cheeses.

just wanted to give you guys the heads-up. I'll share the other stuff later when I have more time

[link to www.listeriablog.com]

[link to www.health.ny.gov]

[link to kidshealth.org]
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By the way, the main reason I am stuck to this topic over the fault/GOM/dome is because while I can think logically about the medicinal issue, there is SOMETHING that still isn't sitting right with me about the whole thing.

I am not sure what it is...but something is off. For me, it's like one of those moments when you are speaking in public and you forget the next word....you know it's there, but for the life of you, can not remember it.
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I feel the same way Wild1. hugs
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Thanks LadyAnne, good to know. hf
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By the way, the main reason I am stuck to this topic over the fault/GOM/dome is because while I can think logically about the medicinal issue, there is SOMETHING that still isn't sitting right with me about the whole thing.

I am not sure what it is...but something is off. For me, it's like one of those moments when you are speaking in public and you forget the next word....you know it's there, but for the life of you, can not remember it.
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I feel the same way Wild1. hugs
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Me too...it keeps popping back into my mind. I don't do well with "not knowing".
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Big Dawg here, important update on meningitis issue. Pay close attention to news stories and seek out friends or family who may become infected with 'meningitis' - question the medical staff and find out if meningitis truly fits the symptoms. We have learned a few things that give us reason to suspect that these 'cases' are being called meningitis - but are in fact something else.

From what we've learned the truth of this illness would in fact point directly to a substance used during the Deepwater Horizon incident (NOT Synthia and NOT Corexit but a bio component nonetheless). If true, therefore gives some proof of the connection between DWH and Assumption. More as we find out more.
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good morning all! just had some information I wanted to share. I've been doing much research, and will give a more detailed report asap, but I wanted to get this out there for anyone that it may help.

first, I am not a doctor or a nurse. this is an opinion and/or theory and should not be taken as fact. if you or a family member/friend are having medical symptoms that you are concerned about, please visit your doctor or clinic.

I have not been able to catch up on all of the threads, so if this has been discussed/mentioned, I apologize in advance.

there is a bacteria called 'listeria'.....it's often spread through contaminated food. fresh fruits and vegetables as well as anything processed. Including cheese.

the bacteria is nasty...very very nasty and can present itself as 'flu-like' symptoms. once the bacteria enters your body, the infecttion is called 'listeriosis'

incubation varies, so it's hard to know when/if someone was infected through a specific food source. but it can be anywhere from 3-70 days.

because the bacteria is aggressive and has such a wide range for incubation, it is common to be mis-diagnosed with either meningitis and/or encephelitis as these are SYMPTOMS of a listeria infection because the bacteria migrate to the spinal/brain fluid.

in the past couple of months, there have been food recalls on spinach, butter (microwave popcorn), and various cheeses.

just wanted to give you guys the heads-up. I'll share the other stuff later when I have more time

[link to www.listeriablog.com]

[link to www.health.ny.gov]

[link to kidshealth.org]
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things like peanuts and lettuce as well.
As above, So below.
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[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

From the story:

BP has finally found a buyer for its Texas City refinery, one of the largest and most complex in the U.S.

The total value of the deal could reach $2.5 billion.

Marathon Petroleum Corp. will pay $598 million for the refinery and other nearby pipelines and fuel terminals, plus $1.2 billion for the inventory of oil and petroleum products owned by the plant. Marathon may have to pay another $700 million over 6 years if certain unspecified conditions are met, the company said Monday.

The refinery has a troubled history. A 2005 fire and explosion at the plant killed 15 workers and injured nearly 200 others.

BP PLC been trying to sell refining and other assets to help cover costs associated with the 2010 Deepwater Horizon explosion and oil spill. Since 2010, BP has agreed to sell $35 billion worth of assets, and the company said it expects that to rise to $38 billion by next year.

[link to maps.google.com (secure)]

Looks like Beaumont's right between the two overland and Texas City's not far off it.

Just... odd. Thought I'd post though since it seems like it might be connected to all the other... outside stuff which seems to relate to the sinkhole.
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Nice to see the thread getting back on track. But it would seem we have been infected by tunnel vision. We are looking at the effects thinking they are the cause.

Step back and take in a larger view. The GOM and sink hole are but symptoms of a larger problem, that is a global phenomena and those thinking this issue the sink hole is just a local one may find similar situations knocking on there door, in the not to distant future. Keep looking up.

On another note if I'm not mistaken the Dawgs seem to implying that it might be to late already for any one exposed, like those living in the gulf. I hope that I'm misreading his statements and/or they are wrong.

In regards the current situation regarding the deaths and growing numbers of people getting sick, I think we need more information before jumping to any conclusion....But you kne that. sk

PS dawgs thanks for you continued input and everyone else for their sleuthing.

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By the way, the main reason I am stuck to this topic over the fault/GOM/dome is because while I can think logically about the medicinal issue, there is SOMETHING that still isn't sitting right with me about the whole thing.

I am not sure what it is...but something is off. For me, it's like one of those moments when you are speaking in public and you forget the next word....you know it's there, but for the life of you, can not remember it.
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I feel the same way Wild1. hugs
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Me too...it keeps popping back into my mind. I don't do well with "not knowing".
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You and me both little miracles. have you ever watched Game of Thrones? I swear I keep hearing 'Winter is Coming' in my head! (meaning something bad for those that haven't seen the show).
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Anaiah, good info. seeker2 - quiet right now...I think the shills are still sleeping. cool2
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I can't find any new updates. Someone did post a thread last night...search 'strange roaring sound'. they included a video. Can't be sure if related but it's worth a listen. Strange either way.
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