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siniXster

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Good morning All...

Day 3 passes w/ no upheaval in the Bayou, another quiet night for the most part, hope everyone is safe and sound.
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So are we agreeing that this "DAWG" is a fraud? (not the OP, but the one who claimed we had 3 days)? Sorry if this was already answered... playing catch up from yesterday right now :)
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Are we still paying attention to the dogs. They have done what many have done in the past. Started a thread with crytic postings, leading the forum member to research, known or easily found information. Then using the research found by the member to further the threads research by posting more cryptic messages. And the crowds love them. lol sk
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Detecting a bit of cynicism this morning sk, lol, you a'ight?
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Good points freddddy and AC above my post. hang in there seeker2. cool2
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Likewise :-) and good morn all.
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fredddddddddddddddyyyyyyyyy :)
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Good morning All...

Day 3 passes w/ no upheaval in the Bayou, another quiet night for the most part, hope everyone is safe and sound.
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So are we agreeing that this "DAWG" is a fraud? (not the OP, but the one who claimed we had 3 days)? Sorry if this was already answered... playing catch up from yesterday right now :)
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I don't believe it was Dawg that posted that three day post? I could be wrong but I didn't think at the timet the AC number added up?
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Thanks Patassa.hf
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You're welcome Dangerwalt, and glad you couldn't find the door... :-)

Off to watch videos then bedtime!
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Thanx for the vids P, nice work.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Posting this for Granny and anyone else that needs a small reminder...we're all here for each other.

Stay strong and share the love my friends, it's all we have. blwkss grouphug neener


"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Global incident map quakes down. But I found we had a 5.3 in Costa Rica and a 2.7 in Oklahoma already this morning.
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And we're getting hit hard by the sun right now. HAARP site says "Solar Storm Bakeout". No info coming in.

[link to www.haarpstatus.com]
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
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Would you like to try just one more time?

(sorry, but I owed you that-yes?)

Good morning everyone....it feels good to be alive!
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Dr. - Thank you for your concern and I understand your warning...it just does not apply to me. I felt ill due to my heart breaking at what those evil bastards are doing to OUR world. I do not have fear and I will not stop searching for the truth. Sooner or later more people will wake up. TPTB fear this...and they should. hf
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I have been following this thread as well, too much into it in fact. I have been following some of the links and got depressed last night after viewing a diagram of the oil drilling in Canada. It looked to be in the middle of nowhere. I pictured the vast, beautiful, icy, wilderness, uninhabitalbe by man: but, we are drilling for oil there.

As much as I would like to put the blame on the oil companies, we are to blame as well for our incisent demand for gasoline!
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And why is there a demand for gasoline? Could it be that tptb killed the Electric car? or the Solar Car? Or any other engine that ran on free energy and made it look like they were no good to begin with? Lok what they did to Tesla!There are players behind the scenes pulling strings.
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Nice song, sinixster!

To whoever asked about a recap of the video.

"We don't know. We will check on that. We will get back to you. We will find out. The cavern and sinkhole are linked (DUH!). The skeeters are biting-meeting adjourned"

How's that?
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Global incident map quakes down. But I found we had a 5.3 in Costa Rica and a 2.7 in Oklahoma already this morning.
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And we're getting hit hard by the sun right now. HAARP site says "Solar Storm Bakeout". No info coming in.

[link to www.haarpstatus.com]
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oops2 Well that's not good. haven't seen that before. please tell me it's just a joke.
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Credit to DoorBert for his thread reporting current meningitis numbers at 120 sick and 12 passed away. verysad
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Global incident map quakes down. But I found we had a 5.3 in Costa Rica and a 2.7 in Oklahoma already this morning.
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And we're getting hit hard by the sun right now. HAARP site says "Solar Storm Bakeout". No info coming in.

[link to www.haarpstatus.com]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


oops2 Well that's not good. haven't seen that before. please tell me it's just a joke.
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It happens, just means they've turned it off to protect the instruments.
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Credit to DoorBert for his thread reporting current meningitis numbers at 120 sick and 12 passed away. verysad
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Over the last cpl of days the mortality rate has gone from 6% to 10% with the numbers provided, wondering how high it's going to climb, are we even seeing real numbers here.

I was and still am a lil tweaked by the fact that the MSM is calling it an 'outbreak' yet putting a cap on the number of the 'possibly' infected...something just isn't sitting right, why not refer to it as a 'massive mistake' (if that's what it was) that could sicken and/or kill up to 13,000.

Last Edited by siniXster on 10/10/2012 11:49 AM
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Nice song, sinixster!

To whoever asked about a recap of the video.

"We don't know. We will check on that. We will get back to you. We will find out. The cavern and sinkhole are linked (DUH!). The skeeters are biting-meeting adjourned"

How's that?
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Pretty good, P, FOFLMAOlolatu
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Global incident map quakes down. But I found we had a 5.3 in Costa Rica and a 2.7 in Oklahoma already this morning.
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


And we're getting hit hard by the sun right now. HAARP site says "Solar Storm Bakeout". No info coming in.

[link to www.haarpstatus.com]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


oops2 Well that's not good. haven't seen that before. please tell me it's just a joke.
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


It happens, just means they've turned it off to protect the instruments.
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Grabbed from Solar Thread by TS66
Maybe this

Space Weather Message Code: ALTEF3
Serial Number: 1958
Issue Time: 2012 Oct 10 1123 UTC

CONTINUED ALERT: Electron 2MeV Integral Flux exceeded 1000pfu
Continuation of Serial Number: 1957
Begin Time: 2012 Oct 09 1015 UTC
Yesterday Maximum 2MeV Flux: 4329 pfu
Potential Impacts: Satellite systems may experience significant charging resulting in increased risk to satellite systems.

if it can effect satellite systems ...
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Nice song, sinixster!

To whoever asked about a recap of the video.

"We don't know. We will check on that. We will get back to you. We will find out. The cavern and sinkhole are linked (DUH!). The skeeters are biting-meeting adjourned"

How's that?
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Pretty good, P, FOFLMAOlolatu
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there was an army of "company men" "spin meisters" there.
they all looked very nervous. it was like a tag-team
match the way one and the other would jump up to microphone.

one of the "company men" apologized for not publicizing the meeting, and said next time they would... wtf

where was that's meeting? what location? how many "residents" were there?
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Here is another good solar site!

[link to www.solarham.net]

hf
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Thanks Miabeleives! SiniXster - I guarantee the numbers we are seeing aren't the total picture. We have to take into account delayed reporting, people that are home sick and haven't gone to a doctor, and also the possibility of mistaken cause of death. Sorry, not trying to scare people, but want everyone to be aware of how bad this is.
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Here is another good solar site!

[link to www.solarham.net]

hf
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Thanks!
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Good morning All...

Day 3 passes w/ no upheaval in the Bayou, another quiet night for the most part, hope everyone is safe and sound.
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So are we agreeing that this "DAWG" is a fraud? (not the OP, but the one who claimed we had 3 days)? Sorry if this was already answered... playing catch up from yesterday right now :)
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Rken, showing your true colors?

Just like Bezerk you attack the OPs and messengers.

Sowing doubt.

Never satisfied. So why don't you play your games on the Berzerk thread? Oh, that's right you helped destroy that thread so mission accomplished.

Are we still paying attention to the dogs. They have done what many have done in the past. Started a thread with crytic postings, leading the forum member to research, known or easily found information. Then using the research found by the member to further the threads research by posting more cryptic messages. And the crowds love them. lol sk
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Gov’t experts now admitting “crude oil” is what’s in giant sinkhole, not diesel — Oil likely coming up side of salt dome

[link to enenews.com]

More info from the DNR.

[link to assumptionla.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


Yep they think it is coming from old oil fields too the west of the sinkhole per the vids Patassa posted. But they are not sure exatly where from or how they will stop it. That's still being investigated and they are in contact with many experts in how to deal with it, inclueding international.
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Look at my last posts over the last few days, there is video that shows how they drill to get to the coalbed. They usually are not very thick, so they end up drilling horizontal once they get to the coalbed.

Look at the lake verret gas field.
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This what happens when they are going for coalbed methane (also called coal seam gas). THEY HAVE DEPRESSURIZED THE AREA TO GET THE METHANE OUT OF THE COALBED!! more land just collapsed on the sw side of the sinkhole.

Start looking to the "lake verret gas field"

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LOOK AT THE LAKE VERRET GAS AND OIL FIELD
[link to louisiana.hometownlocator.com]


FROM 2007:
Capital expenditures of $3.6 million for development drilling on newly-acquired interests in the Creole and East Lake Verret fields, workover activity at Main Pass 35, as well as development activities in our coalbed methane prospects.

East Lake Verret, Assumption Parish — Louisiana

In the late fourth quarter 2006, a 5% non-operated working interest in this field was acquired which included the drilling of the first well in this development project. This well was successfully completed and placed into production in the first quarter 2007 averaging .74 gross Mcfe of natural gas per day. A second well was spud at year-end 2006 and was also completed in the first quarter 2007. This well also encountered multiple stacked pays and was tested in the initial zone for nearly 3.5 gross Mcfe of natural gas per day. This second well awaits pipeline tie-in to production facilities which we expect to be completed in the second quarter 2007. Due to stacked pays, favorable recompletion potential exists in the future productive life of these wells. Other future well locations are being evaluated in this development project.

[link to google.brand.edgar-online.com]

FROM 2008:
to actively invest in energy industry assets as well as develop its crude oil, natural gas and coalbed methane assets
Capital expenditures of $10.9 million for development drilling on newly-acquired interests in the Creole and East Lake Verret field
[link to hkninc.com]
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Gov’t experts now admitting “crude oil” is what’s in giant sinkhole, not diesel — Oil likely coming up side of salt dome

[link to enenews.com]

More info from the DNR.

[link to assumptionla.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


Yep they think it is coming from old oil fields too the west of the sinkhole per the vids Patassa posted. But they are not sure exatly where from or how they will stop it. That's still being investigated and they are in contact with many experts in how to deal with it, inclueding international.
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Look at my last posts over the last few days, there is video that shows how they drill to get to the coalbed. They usually are not very thick, so they end up drilling horizontal once they get to the coalbed.

Look at the lake verret gas field.
 Quoting: TeamReaper


This what happens when they are going for coalbed methane (also called coal seam gas). THEY HAVE DEPRESSURIZED THE AREA TO GET THE METHANE OUT OF THE COALBED!! more land just collapsed on the sw side of the sinkhole.

Start looking to the "lake verret gas field"

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LOOK AT THE LAKE VERRET GAS AND OIL FIELD
[link to louisiana.hometownlocator.com]


FROM 2007:
Capital expenditures of $3.6 million for development drilling on newly-acquired interests in the Creole and East Lake Verret fields, workover activity at Main Pass 35, as well as development activities in our coalbed methane prospects.

East Lake Verret, Assumption Parish — Louisiana

In the late fourth quarter 2006, a 5% non-operated working interest in this field was acquired which included the drilling of the first well in this development project. This well was successfully completed and placed into production in the first quarter 2007 averaging .74 gross Mcfe of natural gas per day. A second well was spud at year-end 2006 and was also completed in the first quarter 2007. This well also encountered multiple stacked pays and was tested in the initial zone for nearly 3.5 gross Mcfe of natural gas per day. This second well awaits pipeline tie-in to production facilities which we expect to be completed in the second quarter 2007. Due to stacked pays, favorable recompletion potential exists in the future productive life of these wells. Other future well locations are being evaluated in this development project.

[link to google.brand.edgar-online.com]

FROM 2008:
to actively invest in energy industry assets as well as develop its crude oil, natural gas and coalbed methane assets
Capital expenditures of $10.9 million for development drilling on newly-acquired interests in the Creole and East Lake Verret field
[link to hkninc.com]
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East Lake Verret, Assumption Parish – Louisiana
We have an average 5% non-operated working interest in this field. Two development wells on this project were successfully completed and placed into production in 2007. Gross daily production from both wells was approximately 862 boe per day during the third quarter 2008. Hurricane damage was minimal and accounted for only three days of shut-in time.
[link to www.hkninc.com]



Use use interactive map. you can add/remove what types of wells to display:
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Nice song, sinixster!

To whoever asked about a recap of the video.

"We don't know. We will check on that. We will get back to you. We will find out. The cavern and sinkhole are linked (DUH!). The skeeters are biting-meeting adjourned"

How's that?


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I have to say just from me watching the video's I don't think the "company men" expected such questions from the folk. I believe they may have been shocked a bit. The entire time of the Q/A, I was thinking did Patassa have a pre-meet and fill the residents in on what she has been learning from this thread.

Wondering now if they will allow a Q/A next time.

Has anyone seen a more recent fly over? I think the last one I saw was on the 7th or 8th.

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Nice song, sinixster!

To whoever asked about a recap of the video.

"We don't know. We will check on that. We will get back to you. We will find out. The cavern and sinkhole are linked (DUH!). The skeeters are biting-meeting adjourned"

How's that?
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So this is being down played until they figure out how big everything actually is, not just physical size, but the overall impact this is having on everything. They are sending shills in here to discredit the real story. The main stream media has stopped reporting in August. We are doing research and pulling things out so those responsibile will be able to have a defense to being held responsible.

And Fredddyyy is it compass.

Thanks Patassa for the update.
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Oil ‘covering’ sinkhole area? (PHOTO)

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Nice song, sinixster!

To whoever asked about a recap of the video.

"We don't know. We will check on that. We will get back to you. We will find out. The cavern and sinkhole are linked (DUH!). The skeeters are biting-meeting adjourned"

How's that?


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I have to say just from me watching the video's I don't think the "company men" expected such questions from the folk. I believe they may have been shocked a bit. The entire time of the Q/A, I was thinking did Patassa have a pre-meet and fill the residents in on what she has been learning from this thread.

Wondering now if they will allow a Q/A next time.

Has anyone seen a more recent fly over? I think the last one I saw was on the 7th or 8th.

GREAT JOB YOU GUYS
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Morning Mia, actually the guys that were asking the questions are the same ones that always come up with the direct in your face questions. There are usually more in fact. They've been good about letting people ask, though not always able to answer. The mistake last night was having it at the command center, outside but enough people complained after, that they said it would be inside next time, or earlier.

The Hecox guy from Shaw seems to know his stuff, and answered more questions directly than anyone else. And he siad he didn't know when he didn't. I've said all along I'd rather them say they don't know, than to lie. (yeh, I know everyone thinks they are lying when they say they don't know too).

They did say the gas doesn't seem to be as close to the community as they originally thought. And they did confirm that the damage to the cavern was from the side, meaning it was mined too close to the salt edge.

No flyovers since the 7th, and that was a question I was going to ask about.
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well, then it is a very curious matter as to why
that gal at the Police Jury directly and purposely
misled me about there being a meeting at the Command Center last night.
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guess the quotes aren't working...


Patassa,

Yes, I was impressed with Hecox answers but I am not so much sure on SHAW. I have worked with that company and they do LOTS of work for the government, which makes me question anything. You are right most will not believe what they say and yep I am one of them. I guess my biggest thing is I would want a private firm investigating this, instead you have the DOT, local authorities, TX Brine and SHAW. I would want someone who cares about "man" and not invested interests so to speak. We will see, maybe??

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Re: Don't make ASSUMPTIONS; try to Understand.
I guess my biggest thing is I would want a private firm investigating this, instead you have the DOT, local authorities, TX Brine and SHAW

But how do we get a private firm? Who pays for that? Can you imagine the expense?
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Re: Don't make ASSUMPTIONS; try to Understand.
I guess my biggest thing is I would want a private firm investigating this, instead you have the DOT, local authorities, TX Brine and SHAW

But how do we get a private firm? Who pays for that? Can you imagine the expense?
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i think it's pretty obvious that you people have got
the fox watching the chicken-coop down there.

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