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siniXster

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Just saw on Fox. House destroyed in Denver. People said they smelled gas. No further details. Related?
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Related? The problem lies therein AC, we really have no idea how far reaching this situation is. There are many, many unexplained events that may be tied to this, we need an all-seeing eye to figure the whole damned thing out. We may have only scratched the surface when it comes to the affected areas.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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I'm as real as they come AC, I put my life in harms way, as do others I know, to dig for the truth and bring it to light, no matter what teh cost. We invest a lot of time and our well being and ask nothing in return other than willing ears that want to listen, learn and survive. rockon
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To all of you who honestly think this lady is a shill, well, clearly you haven't been here long... or not very involved at least :) (and by HERE I mean GLP.. not just this thread)
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Lol, thank you for the support, fyi I'm all man...the lady you may be referring to is RadChick, my partner in crime, hehe. <3
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keep up the good work everyone! hf I see the trolls and shills are back in full force. I know...hard not to respond...try your best. Clearly it means we are getting closer to the big picture! SiniXster, sorry you seem to be getting the most attacks...even when you don't post! Lol. SkinnyChic.
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Lol, thanx SkinnyC, I love ruffling feathers, muahahahahahahhhhhhh!!!
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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I'm as real as they come AC, I put my life in harms way, as do others I know, to dig for the truth and bring it to light, no matter what teh cost. We invest a lot of time and our well being and ask nothing in return other than willing ears that want to listen, learn and survive. rockon
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To all of you who honestly think this lady is a shill, well, clearly you haven't been here long... or not very involved at least :) (and by HERE I mean GLP.. not just this thread)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14779720

Lol, thank you for the support, fyi I'm all man...the lady you may be referring to is RadChick, my partner in crime, hehe. <3
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keep up the good work everyone! hf I see the trolls and shills are back in full force. I know...hard not to respond...try your best. Clearly it means we are getting closer to the big picture! SiniXster, sorry you seem to be getting the most attacks...even when you don't post! Lol. SkinnyChic.
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Edited for dbl post...

Last Edited by siniXster on 10/12/2012 12:29 PM
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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I'm as real as they come AC, I put my life in harms way, as do others I know, to dig for the truth and bring it to light, no matter what teh cost. We invest a lot of time and our well being and ask nothing in return other than willing ears that want to listen, learn and survive. rockon
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To all of you who honestly think this lady is a shill, well, clearly you haven't been here long... or not very involved at least :) (and by HERE I mean GLP.. not just this thread)
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she's a disinformation zombie.
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Check out the earthquakes in Venezuela. I remember at the time of DWH blowout that it was reported the vein of oil that was spewing also ran to Venezuela. I beth they are having toruble with sinkholes, methane there also.
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Yep they have some, this one is from 2010, do not know if there are any more recent.

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Reported to parish officials about 6 a.m., the Thursday morning flare reached a reported 40 feet for about 10 minutes and gradually lowered before going out, Boudreaux said.

Jill McMillan, spokeswoman for Crosstex, said the flaring was an emergency response mechanism related to Crosstex’s Cavern No. 2, which is closer to the sinkhole of the company’s two caverns.

She said company officials are working on why flaring happened.


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They really have no fk'n clue what they're doing or how it will affect the bigger picture...what next, a 40 mile high explosion???

Last Edited by siniXster on 10/12/2012 01:04 PM
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Reported to parish officials about 6 a.m., the Thursday morning flare reached a reported 40 feet for about 10 minutes and gradually lowered before going out, Boudreaux said.

Jill McMillan, spokeswoman for Crosstex, said the flaring was an emergency response mechanism related to Crosstex’s Cavern No. 2, which is closer to the sinkhole of the company’s two caverns.

She said company officials are working on why flaring happened.


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Thanks.
Just one any....

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Reporter: “You’re getting a bird’s a view of the sinkhole from this morning’s flyover of the site. As you can see it’s significantly larger than when it first appeared at the beginning of August. Earlier this week crews installed 3 vent wells around the Bayou Corne/Grand Bayou area to get a better understanding of what’s causing it to get bigger.”

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Vid embedded in article pg.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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OK so what is in cavern #2???? anyone know??

The reason that it flared was likely due to excess pressure. Cause appears unknown but the process safety valve relieved as it should. It probably has some type of pilot ignition system to flare the gas that is relieved. 40 foot is normal a normal flare.
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Reading and lurking
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Just to clarify- a 40 ft flare is a normal flare. IF you have an abnormal operation, that is. Meaning whatever caused that flare to happen is NOT normal and is cause for concern. The fact that it flared 40 ft is not a concern, the emergency response mechanism (likely the pressure relief valve with pilot ignition) did what it was supposed to.

Sorry if I confused anyone.
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OK so what is in cavern #2???? anyone know??

The reason that it flared was likely due to excess pressure. Cause appears unknown but the process safety valve relieved as it should. It probably has some type of pilot ignition system to flare the gas that is relieved. 40 foot is normal a normal flare.
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The butane that they are moving to another cavern in that salt dome..
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Eww, Skinnychick -- your breath stinks.
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"Skinnychick -- your breath stinks" Not the first time someone on this thread has been overwhelmed & had such an adverse reaction to the scent of Truth. If truth is that repulsive to you let me be the first to invite you to leave. If it's simply a matter of the terms used here being to hard for you to understand you can always run upstairs & hope Mommy & Daddy can explain them to you ;-)
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Eww, Skinnychick -- your breath stinks.
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Skinnychick- our breath can stink together! haha. I love the real lazy trolls. :-)
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Wow, this thread really died after the community meeting.
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True and I'm trying to work out why, as that meeting left lot's to discuss, but no one seems to want to.
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can we get a summory of the meeting? i didnt have time to watch all the vid's. guess i feel there woulda been lots more ?'s than answeres from it.
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OK so what is in cavern #2???? anyone know??

The reason that it flared was likely due to excess pressure. Cause appears unknown but the process safety valve relieved as it should. It probably has some type of pilot ignition system to flare the gas that is relieved. 40 foot is normal a normal flare.
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The butane that they are moving to another cavern in that salt dome..
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That is what I have been puzzling over since yesterday...flaring of butane is the only possibly explanation as from what i have read previously that is what crosstex had stored in the cavern...the only reason for flaring off he butane would be as posted above that there has been an increase in pressure...the only way that pressure would be increasing in the cavern is a breach allowing infiltration in to the cavern of something else causing the gas to be forced upwards...

they did state that the only way the gas would become a hazard is if water or similar was pumped in to the cavern because the butane is heavier than air therefore will not exit the cavern unless under pressure.....

Yep was definitely Butane according to this article..

[link to theadvocate.com]

so something is putting the butane under pressure to get it to rise in the cavern...sound like this cavern is breached!
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can we get a summory of the meeting? i didnt have time to watch all the vid's. guess i feel there woulda been lots more ?'s than answeres from it.
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I haven't watched all of them - will do that now. Maybe get a chance to see them "deer eyes in the headlights."
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can we get a summory of the meeting? i didnt have time to watch all the vid's. guess i feel there woulda been lots more ?'s than answeres from it.
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I haven't watched all of them - will do that now. Maybe get a chance to see them "deer eyes in the headlights."
~ Matthew 7:16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles?
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can we get a summory of the meeting? i didnt have time to watch all the vid's. guess i feel there woulda been lots more ?'s than answeres from it.
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I haven't watched all of them - will do that now. Maybe get a chance to see them "deer eyes in the headlights."
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can we get a summory of the meeting? i didnt have time to watch all the vid's. guess i feel there woulda been lots more ?'s than answeres from it.
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I haven't watched all of them - will do that now. Maybe get a chance to see them "deer eyes in the headlights."
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Sorry triple post... It storming lightening out here in the desert.
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Washington Post: Persistent rumors on ‘blogs’ that BP’s oil continues to spew into Gulf — FSU Expert: May be freshly released from Macondo reservoir

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I'm as real as they come AC, I put my life in harms way, as do others I know, to dig for the truth and bring it to light, no matter what teh cost. We invest a lot of time and our well being and ask nothing in return other than willing ears that want to listen, learn and survive. rockon
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To all of you who honestly think this lady is a shill, well, clearly you haven't been here long... or not very involved at least :) (and by HERE I mean GLP.. not just this thread)
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Lol, thank you for the support, fyi I'm all man...the lady you may be referring to is RadChick, my partner in crime, hehe. <3
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For real? I think I may like you even more now... DAMN.

And wtf people talking about stinky breath now?

LOL I love it here :)
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OK so what is in cavern #2???? anyone know??

The reason that it flared was likely due to excess pressure. Cause appears unknown but the process safety valve relieved as it should. It probably has some type of pilot ignition system to flare the gas that is relieved. 40 foot is normal a normal flare.
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The butane that they are moving to another cavern in that salt dome..
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That is what I have been puzzling over since yesterday...flaring of butane is the only possibly explanation as from what i have read previously that is what crosstex had stored in the cavern...the only reason for flaring off he butane would be as posted above that there has been an increase in pressure...the only way that pressure would be increasing in the cavern is a breach allowing infiltration in to the cavern of something else causing the gas to be forced upwards...

they did state that the only way the gas would become a hazard is if water or similar was pumped in to the cavern because the butane is heavier than air therefore will not exit the cavern unless under pressure.....

Yep was definitely Butane according to this article..

[link to theadvocate.com]

so something is putting the butane under pressure to get it to rise in the cavern...sound like this cavern is breached!
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Actually thinking about it a little more...and have now figured out the link I was missing which makes my first theory incorrect...the Butane in the cavern is liquid butane because it is UNDER PRESSURE...very high pressure that causes it to be in a liquid state. For it to change state in to a gas and rise the pressure would need to be decreased....

Therefore two scenarios are possible...something is causing the liquid butane to rise ....this would require injection of water or similar that is heavier than the liquid butane...

OR...( and I think more likely )

the cavern has been de-pressurised somehow....most likely by a breach of some description somewhere in the cavern...this was the first sign that the texas brine cavern was compromised...alack of expected pressure..

ALSO...I still havent seen an explanation or plausible theory anywhere as to why there was a delay between Texas Brine drilling in to the compromised cavern....and the gas/hydrocarbons not appearing for sometime after the cavern was originally entered...what caused the delay- the gas should have instantly been released as soon as the cavern was entered???
And now the cavern is obviously under constant gas pressure as they reported having to flare it to keep the pressure from building....
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OK so what is in cavern #2???? anyone know??

The reason that it flared was likely due to excess pressure. Cause appears unknown but the process safety valve relieved as it should. It probably has some type of pilot ignition system to flare the gas that is relieved. 40 foot is normal a normal flare.
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The butane that they are moving to another cavern in that salt dome..
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That is what I have been puzzling over since yesterday...flaring of butane is the only possibly explanation as from what i have read previously that is what crosstex had stored in the cavern...the only reason for flaring off he butane would be as posted above that there has been an increase in pressure...the only way that pressure would be increasing in the cavern is a breach allowing infiltration in to the cavern of something else causing the gas to be forced upwards...

they did state that the only way the gas would become a hazard is if water or similar was pumped in to the cavern because the butane is heavier than air therefore will not exit the cavern unless under pressure.....

Yep was definitely Butane according to this article..

[link to theadvocate.com]

so something is putting the butane under pressure to get it to rise in the cavern...sound like this cavern is breached!
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^^^^^^^ My thought exactly. NOT good news but I do Thank You for the link.
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Not to be a naysayer, the cavern could be breached, but if they were removing the butane and they removed it too quickly a line could have frozen which could have caused the flare.
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Check out the earthquakes in Venezuela. I remember at the time of DWH blowout that it was reported the vein of oil that was spewing also ran to Venezuela. I beth they are having toruble with sinkholes, methane there also.
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Yep they have some, this one is from 2010, do not know if there are any more recent.

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I forgot to post link to globalincident map, with 4.9 quake in Venezuela today.

[link to quakes.globalincidentmap.com]

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