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Informative post on another thread, wanted to share it here:

From: Re: Sinkhole emergency butane flared 40 !!!!!!!!Emergency response”


The "flare" isn't actually coming from the cavern itself, and never did.

They are flaring through a flare stack, a tall joint of pipe with an ignition source at the top that burns unwanted/dangerous/etc material... no flames inside the cavern.

A 40' flare may sound huge, but I have seen (and worked on) much larger on a daily basis for many years.

I have years of experience with these. I can see the point of flaring out of a stack in this setting being a double-edge sword... the height of the flame will help ensure that no dense, low-lying combustibles are ignited during this operation, but I have seen large gusts of wind carry flames much larger than this close enough to the ground to cause concern... this may be why the emergency response plan was enacted, the choke was opened too much letting an unsafe amount of gas flare at once...

A thermal oxidizer would have been a MUCH safer option in this setting. An enclosed flare that eliminates most of the pollutants and dangerous by-products of flaring before releasing them into the atmosphere... much more expensive than flaring, which is why it wasn't chosen.

From my experience I would say the flaring is safe, at the moment. Roads were closed briefly (which I'm sure is where "emergency response" came into this), probably to make sure once the choke was backed off that the flare would back off as well.

But I will also confirm one thing: oil and gas companies don't give a fuck about your health. They don't care about your safety. They don't care if you're dead or alive, the loss of our lives would be considered collateral damage, as many have said before me. Money and greed power the machine. There is no rule, state or federal, that won't bend FOR THEM. It is my job to ensure that these rules are upheld, and that the general public is kept safe. I have been in the corporate offices of almost every major energy company to discuss their safety programs and contingency planning, and I have witnessed in most cases a blatant disregard for the safety of humanity and the environment. The only thing they are concerned with protecting is the almighty buck.

With that being said, I don't mean to downplay this situation at all, but people freaking out about the flaring should target their concerns at the many other dangerous factors going on now... this is an impending disaster, no way around that.

I have been asked by many of these companies to turn a blind eye as they break the rules, but refuse. Fuck putting a price on human life.. animal life... any life. I have averted many shady operations in the past, but this one is completely out of my realm, and I am deeply concerned with how it's going to turn out.

Pray, love, send positive energy, whatever your thing is, to the people of Louisiana... and the many other areas that this could potentially affect. This situation is no joking matter.

Quoting: StingOwens
 Quoting: RadChick


Responded back to him with a few more questions.


This post seems as though they are saying the 40' flare that happened Thursday morning, resulting in the road closure was part of the intentional flaring and it was not a part of the controled, intentional flares.

Fire burned 40 feet high early Thursday morning at Crosstex Energy LP’s Napoleonville Salt Dome cavern facility, an unexpected event the company spokesperson told reporter Deborah Dupré Friday. An hour earlier, USGS seismic monitors indicated increased activity.

"We did not plan for this and are still analyzing what happened to determine the cause," Crosstex spokesperson Jill McMillan told reporter Deborah Dupré Friday in a telephone interview about the Bayou Corne sinkhole disaster.

Asked if the flare was automatic or manually started, McMillan said that the company is still trying to work that out.

"We are continuing to determine the cause for why the flare
occurred."

[link to www.examiner.com]

I have a little trouble believing those last two sentences as I believe they would have to know what happened.

I am not disagreeing with the above post, it just seemed to me like this Thursday morning flare was a different event.
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Think here is the reference to rice and also the reason they stated about going to the library (implying an old book)
Look at the table of contents and then go to page 92 -
Geological Survey water-supply paper, Volume 1364:
[link to books.google.com]

The above link references work by Fisk, specifically his fracture pattern. you will want to see this - Louisiana Chenier Plain Geological Investigation by Harold N. Fisk (This is a scan of an almost impossible to obtain 1948 US Army Corps of Engineers report by Harold N. Fisk on the geology of the Louisiana Chenier Plain):
[link to www.scribd.com]


Fisk fracture pattern (notice were they are in relation to the sinkhole):
[link to ars.els-cdn.com]

[link to ars.els-cdn.com]


Geology of Fort Polk Region, Louisiana:
[link to www.scribd.com]

Last Edited by TeamReaper on 10/13/2012 03:25 AM
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not sure if posted (image is interesting for those unclear of the fracturing:

U.S. Government Confirms Link Between Earthquakes and Hydraulic Fracturing
[link to www.informantnews.com]
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Awesome find there TeamReaper!
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Those are some good posts teamreaper.
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Thanks Team Reaper!
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Good morning Everyone, hope all is well and safe in your world. (:
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Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Think here is the reference to rice and also the reason they stated about going to the library (implying an old book)
Look at the table of contents and then go to page 92 -
Geological Survey water-supply paper, Volume 1364:
[link to books.google.com]

The above link references work by Fisk, specifically his fracture pattern. you will want to see this - Louisiana Chenier Plain Geological Investigation by Harold N. Fisk (This is a scan of an almost impossible to obtain 1948 US Army Corps of Engineers report by Harold N. Fisk on the geology of the Louisiana Chenier Plain):
[link to www.scribd.com]


Fisk fracture pattern (notice were they are in relation to the sinkhole):
[link to ars.els-cdn.com]

[link to ars.els-cdn.com]


Geology of Fort Polk Region, Louisiana:
[link to www.scribd.com]
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Weren't they supposed to start the flaring of the three vent wells yesterday? Anyone know if they did?
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Weren't they supposed to start the flaring of the three vent wells yesterday? Anyone know if they did?
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they don't work weekends. they're putting another crawdad on the barbee right now.
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".....they're putting another crawdad on the barby"(sorry if I didn't get the quote exact, working off my cell right now) Sounds like they're grubbin with the Aussie's drilling next door ;-)
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Appreciate the thx. Hope you all had time to read the first link, especially the part about salt caverns and change in elevation by 300 feet.
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The fisk fracture map looks like there are some just north and south of the sinkhole. Did you catch the part where he discusses that these fractures happen at right angles to the fault?
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May or may not be connected to the new madrid aspect of all this: Noticing earthquakes in Georgia and North Carolina in the past 12 hours. WTF? With the multiple ones in Missouri, TN, and such the past week, looks a lot out of place. Like foreshadowing or something, I'm not used to hearing about EQ's there so it's odd to me (here in lower Alabama).

Edit to add:

[link to quakes.globalincidentmap.com]

ought to show them a bit longer, at least. Weird.

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As above, So below.
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was this posted... [link to leanweb.org]
Analysis of air samples in the Bayou Corne/Grand Bayou area by the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality demonstrated that the concentrations of toxic chemicals in the air, including Volatile Organic Compounds such as Benzene, Toluene, Ethyl Benzene and Xylene, were below the Louisiana Ambient Air Standards. However, though the concentrations of toxic chemicals were below acceptable standards, health symptoms continue to be experienced and reported by community members.

Locations where odors and health symptoms were reported by community members:

Highway 70 between Bayou Corne and Gator Corner/Stop
Highway 70 and Gumbo Street
Highway 70 between Gumbo Street and Gator Corner/Stop
Gator Corner/Stop
Gumbo Street
Sauce Piquante
Crawfish Stew Street

Time Odors were observed
6:30 AM and 9 PM

Description of Odors
Diesel
Tar
Gas
Burning Trees

[link to www.examiner.com]

if the butane in the sinkhole vicinity exploded, it would meet, according to the National Terror Alert, the definition of a dirty bomb.

"I sought an analysis of the recent DEQ test results from Waligora, who since a stint as a nuclear weapons officer in the U.S. military has been teaching, consulting and testifying as an expert witness in radiation litigation for more than 45 years," asserted Smith Friday.

He expressed concern that the state reported its findings of radium-226 and radium-228 as "below acceptable levels," when in fact, the results were 15 times higher than the state’s own standard for soil contamination.

“Well, once again the Louisiana DEQ is in denial because they don’t know what to do about the radioactive contamination in the Bayou Corne subsidence,” Waligora wrote, adding the following findings:

There are immediate radiation dose concerns, not only cumulative toxin concerns.

[link to theadvocate.com]
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Appreciate the thx. Hope you all had time to read the first link, especially the part about salt caverns and change in elevation by 300 feet.
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I've had a quick scan so far, but intend to read it all when the kids are in bed later.
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was this posted... [link to leanweb.org]
Analysis of air samples in the Bayou Corne/Grand Bayou area by the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality demonstrated that the concentrations of toxic chemicals in the air, including Volatile Organic Compounds such as Benzene, Toluene, Ethyl Benzene and Xylene, were below the Louisiana Ambient Air Standards. However, though the concentrations of toxic chemicals were below acceptable standards, health symptoms continue to be experienced and reported by community members.

Locations where odors and health symptoms were reported by community members:

Highway 70 between Bayou Corne and Gator Corner/Stop
Highway 70 and Gumbo Street
Highway 70 between Gumbo Street and Gator Corner/Stop
Gator Corner/Stop
Gumbo Street
Sauce Piquante
Crawfish Stew Street

Time Odors were observed
6:30 AM and 9 PM

Description of Odors
Diesel
Tar
Gas
Burning Trees

[link to www.examiner.com]

if the butane in the sinkhole vicinity exploded, it would meet, according to the National Terror Alert, the definition of a dirty bomb.

"I sought an analysis of the recent DEQ test results from Waligora, who since a stint as a nuclear weapons officer in the U.S. military has been teaching, consulting and testifying as an expert witness in radiation litigation for more than 45 years," asserted Smith Friday.

He expressed concern that the state reported its findings of radium-226 and radium-228 as "below acceptable levels," when in fact, the results were 15 times higher than the state’s own standard for soil contamination.

“Well, once again the Louisiana DEQ is in denial because they don’t know what to do about the radioactive contamination in the Bayou Corne subsidence,” Waligora wrote, adding the following findings:

There are immediate radiation dose concerns, not only cumulative toxin concerns.

[link to theadvocate.com]
 Quoting: miabelieves


Oh my, what a good time to post this.

Hydrogen Sulfide- broad-spectrum poison, nervous system most affected, blocks oxygen from binding and stops cellular respiration.

Benzene- confirmed human carcinogen, leukemia, cancer of the lymph system, lung cancer and bladder cancer

Methylene Chloride- affects central nervous system, liver, cardiovascular system, blood, irritation to skin, eyes, respiratory tract, also cancer hazard.

OKAY, potential cause for nervous system related diseases?? Such as meningitis, chicken pox, and HFMD. Is this why it's slowly getting picked up by msm? Blaming meningitis on some steroid shots that have been used for years as back pain treatment, why now? But could the real reason be from the gasses being released from the ground all along New Madrid fault line?

I was watching a movie on FX last night with mark wahlberg in an m night shamylon (spelling?) about an unknown airborne chemical in the NE that the main characters are perplexed by. In part of the movie they were watching the MSM on tv, two guys sitting down were talking about the cause of the airborne invisible illness. The guest on the show considered it the beginning of the end, but the opposing opinion from the other guy said it was planned by our own government. Both are logical in some sense according to the time we are in.
I just thought how much of a coincidence it was that movie of all movies was playing and that same night I found out the information about these chemical definitions I posted.
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Cavern wall collapse confirmed:
Published today, 10/13 at 10:13 am (?)

By CAIN BURDEAU / Associated Press / WWLTV

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- A collapsed wall of an abandoned underground salt cavern where a Texas company had operated is being blamed with causing a sinkhole and contaminating an aquifer in a sparsely populated area of swampland west of New Orleans.

The Louisiana Office of Conservation said new data shows that a series of problems -- natural gas bubbling up in local bayous and a growing sinkhole that's swallowed about 4 acres of swamp forest -- are linked to the collapse of a side wall of an underground salt cavern that Houston-based Texas Brine Co. LLC operated. The company extracted brine and piped it to nearby petrochemical facilities.

Late Thursday, Conservation Commissioner James H. Welsh ordered Texas Brine to make sure the collapsed cavern does not worsen and to do more testing, monitoring and analysis to understand what is happening underground.


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I watched it too, nice timing huh?
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I watched it too, nice timing huh?
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Yeah all I could think about were current events while watching.
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".....they're putting another crawdad on the barby"(sorry if I didn't get the quote exact, working off my cell right now) Sounds like they're grubbin with the Aussie's drilling next door ;-)
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oh, and let's not be forgetting all the frog giggers down that ways too...
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it's it ironic that BP and Transocean are the only
outfit on the planet with the technology to fix this problem.
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After Sinkhole Flyover: Strongest odor I have ever experienced in all my time in Louisiana — Intense petroleum fumes hovering directly over community

There is no doubt that the fumes from the sinkhole and bubbling natural gas in the surrounding area have been impacting the community. Local residents have documented this along with their potentially related health symptoms through the Odor and Symptom Log available online here.

[link to enenews.com]
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Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the
sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part
of this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that
Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards
when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they
washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides
of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure
to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts
the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this
salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided
to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural
gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which
is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,
is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --
and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.
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Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the
sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part
of this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that
Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards
when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they
washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides
of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure
to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts
the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this
salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided
to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural
gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which
is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,
is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --
and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.
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Yes look at how many dying trees there are around the sinkhole area. The ground is indeed saturated.
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Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the
sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part
of this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that
Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards
when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they
washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides
of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure
to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts
the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this
salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided
to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural
gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which
is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,
is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --
and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.
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Yes look at how many dying trees there are around the sinkhole area. The ground is indeed saturated.
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maybe. but we're talking all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans) here bunkie.

can you say: "totally uninhabitable"?
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Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the
sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part
of this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that
Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards
when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they
washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides
of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure
to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts
the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this
salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided
to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural
gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which
is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,
is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --
and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.
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Yes look at how many dying trees there are around the sinkhole area. The ground is indeed saturated.
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maybe. but we're talking all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans) here bunkie.

can you say: "totally uninhabitable"?
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I can say totally uninhabitable. Well, you said yourself that it is saturated and I am agreeing with you.
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was this posted... [link to leanweb.org]
Analysis of air samples in the Bayou Corne/Grand Bayou area by the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality demonstrated that the concentrations of toxic chemicals in the air, including Volatile Organic Compounds such as Benzene, Toluene, Ethyl Benzene and Xylene, were below the Louisiana Ambient Air Standards. However, though the concentrations of toxic chemicals were below acceptable standards, health symptoms continue to be experienced and reported by community members.

Locations where odors and health symptoms were reported by community members:

Highway 70 between Bayou Corne and Gator Corner/Stop
Highway 70 and Gumbo Street
Highway 70 between Gumbo Street and Gator Corner/Stop
Gator Corner/Stop
Gumbo Street
Sauce Piquante
Crawfish Stew Street

Time Odors were observed
6:30 AM and 9 PM

Description of Odors
Diesel
Tar
Gas
Burning Trees

[link to www.examiner.com]

if the butane in the sinkhole vicinity exploded, it would meet, according to the National Terror Alert, the definition of a dirty bomb.

"I sought an analysis of the recent DEQ test results from Waligora, who since a stint as a nuclear weapons officer in the U.S. military has been teaching, consulting and testifying as an expert witness in radiation litigation for more than 45 years," asserted Smith Friday.

He expressed concern that the state reported its findings of radium-226 and radium-228 as "below acceptable levels," when in fact, the results were 15 times higher than the state’s own standard for soil contamination.

“Well, once again the Louisiana DEQ is in denial because they don’t know what to do about the radioactive contamination in the Bayou Corne subsidence,” Waligora wrote, adding the following findings:

There are immediate radiation dose concerns, not only cumulative toxin concerns.

[link to theadvocate.com]
 Quoting: miabelieves


Oh my, what a good time to post this.

Hydrogen Sulfide- broad-spectrum poison, nervous system most affected, blocks oxygen from binding and stops cellular respiration.

Benzene- confirmed human carcinogen, leukemia, cancer of the lymph system, lung cancer and bladder cancer

Methylene Chloride- affects central nervous system, liver, cardiovascular system, blood, irritation to skin, eyes, respiratory tract, also cancer hazard.

OKAY, potential cause for nervous system related diseases?? Such as meningitis, chicken pox, and HFMD. Is this why it's slowly getting picked up by msm? Blaming meningitis on some steroid shots that have been used for years as back pain treatment, why now? But could the real reason be from the gasses being released from the ground all along New Madrid fault line?

I was watching a movie on FX last night with mark wahlberg in an m night shamylon (spelling?) about an unknown airborne chemical in the NE that the main characters are perplexed by. In part of the movie they were watching the MSM on tv, two guys sitting down were talking about the cause of the airborne invisible illness. The guest on the show considered it the beginning of the end, but the opposing opinion from the other guy said it was planned by our own government. Both are logical in some sense according to the time we are in.
I just thought how much of a coincidence it was that movie of all movies was playing and that same night I found out the information about these chemical definitions I posted.
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Re: Don't make ASSUMPTIONS; try to Understand.
Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the
sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part
of this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that
Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards
when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they
washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides
of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure
to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts
the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this
salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided
to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural
gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which
is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,
is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --
and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25192789


Yes look at how many dying trees there are around the sinkhole area. The ground is indeed saturated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21268876


maybe. but we're talking all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans) here bunkie.

can you say: "totally uninhabitable"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25192789


I can say totally uninhabitable. Well, you said yourself that it is saturated and I am agreeing with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21268876

i know. i was just trying to emphasize that the PROBLEM
is a hell of a lot more than just some silly cavern and
its daughter sinkhole. (or even the whole damn Napoleanville Salt Dome complex, for that matter)


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