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Not to be a naysayer, the cavern could be breached, but if they were removing the butane and they removed it too quickly a line could have frozen which could have caused the flare.
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I hope you are correct...the article does state the following-

However, the company planned by early Thursday evening to resume flaring through the night to remove butane from lines connected to the caverns and do repairs, Boudreaux said.

This comment suggests that something is broken...BUT the article then goes on to state..

"Jill McMillan, spokeswoman for Crosstex, said the flaring was an emergency response mechanism related to Crosstex’s Cavern No. 2, which is closer to the sinkhole of the company’s two caverns.

She said company officials are working on why flaring happened.
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The wording of that statement suggests that they dont know why the emergency response mechanism was activated....if it was as you suggested surely they would know this immediately???
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Not to be a naysayer, the cavern could be breached, but if they were removing the butane and they removed it too quickly a line could have frozen which could have caused the flare.
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I hope you are correct...the article does state the following-

However, the company planned by early Thursday evening to resume flaring through the night to remove butane from lines connected to the caverns and do repairs, Boudreaux said.

This comment suggests that something is broken...BUT the article then goes on to state..

"Jill McMillan, spokeswoman for Crosstex, said the flaring was an emergency response mechanism related to Crosstex’s Cavern No. 2, which is closer to the sinkhole of the company’s two caverns.

She said company officials are working on why flaring happened.
"

The wording of that statement suggests that they dont know why the emergency response mechanism was activated....if it was as you suggested surely they would know this immediately???
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Seems like something broke and activated the emergency response mechanism. Hence, the need to do repairs and additional flaring.
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Taniatarn, usually but not always the oil and gas companies have a pretty good idea of what has happened but will not come out to the public with details right away until they know the extent of the damage or what caused it.

There are several regulatory agencies that they report to and they can not go off speculation.

Does that make sense?
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Taniatarn, usually but not always the oil and gas companies have a pretty good idea of what has happened but will not come out to the public with details right away until they know the extent of the damage or what caused it.

There are several regulatory agencies that they report to and they can not go off speculation.

Does that make sense?
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Oh yeah....keeping things from the public...that makes sense alright!

After all they want to be sure to get their stories straight!
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Ok, I just HAD to peek.

I wondered what the link was between fungus (recent cases) and Craig Venter, or if there even was one.

[link to www.jcvi.org]

If I read this right. Synthia -the first artifical life that reproduced- was created with chemicals, a computer and the genome of a fungus.

Can anyone out there follow my thinking and/or elaborate???????
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Sure, there is a probable link, we just need to prove it. But on another line of thought perhaps synthia and the problems it creates or could create are better than not using something like synthia to mop up the oil and hydrocarbons released in the gulf. As my thinking is that the problem and blow out were intentional for releasing the building pressure and as a preventative measure, to what could have been a major catastrophe. Just a possible explanation. So it has taken two plus years for the pressure to rebuild and we are seeing the result of this in the form of leaks and fracturing of the ocean floor in the gulf and methane being released through the earths crust in a various of locations on dry land. sk
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sk, I understand your line of thinking that Synthia may be a better option than nothing at all but the huge hole in that theory is that neither we nor the creator of this aberration knows exactly what happened after it's introduction into the Macondo Well B and just what mutations have resulted from the presence of both Corexit and radiation from Fukushima playing their respective roles. It's a biological crap shoot and Meningitis may be, just as the sinkhole, the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
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Theory is that Synthia met previous life form cells in GOM = mutation out of control.
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Informative post on another thread, wanted to share it here:

From: Re: Sinkhole emergency butane flared 40 !!!!!!!!Emergency response”


The "flare" isn't actually coming from the cavern itself, and never did.

They are flaring through a flare stack, a tall joint of pipe with an ignition source at the top that burns unwanted/dangerous/etc material... no flames inside the cavern.

A 40' flare may sound huge, but I have seen (and worked on) much larger on a daily basis for many years.

I have years of experience with these. I can see the point of flaring out of a stack in this setting being a double-edge sword... the height of the flame will help ensure that no dense, low-lying combustibles are ignited during this operation, but I have seen large gusts of wind carry flames much larger than this close enough to the ground to cause concern... this may be why the emergency response plan was enacted, the choke was opened too much letting an unsafe amount of gas flare at once...

A thermal oxidizer would have been a MUCH safer option in this setting. An enclosed flare that eliminates most of the pollutants and dangerous by-products of flaring before releasing them into the atmosphere... much more expensive than flaring, which is why it wasn't chosen.

From my experience I would say the flaring is safe, at the moment. Roads were closed briefly (which I'm sure is where "emergency response" came into this), probably to make sure once the choke was backed off that the flare would back off as well.

But I will also confirm one thing: oil and gas companies don't give a fuck about your health. They don't care about your safety. They don't care if you're dead or alive, the loss of our lives would be considered collateral damage, as many have said before me. Money and greed power the machine. There is no rule, state or federal, that won't bend FOR THEM. It is my job to ensure that these rules are upheld, and that the general public is kept safe. I have been in the corporate offices of almost every major energy company to discuss their safety programs and contingency planning, and I have witnessed in most cases a blatant disregard for the safety of humanity and the environment. The only thing they are concerned with protecting is the almighty buck.

With that being said, I don't mean to downplay this situation at all, but people freaking out about the flaring should target their concerns at the many other dangerous factors going on now... this is an impending disaster, no way around that.

I have been asked by many of these companies to turn a blind eye as they break the rules, but refuse. Fuck putting a price on human life.. animal life... any life. I have averted many shady operations in the past, but this one is completely out of my realm, and I am deeply concerned with how it's going to turn out.

Pray, love, send positive energy, whatever your thing is, to the people of Louisiana... and the many other areas that this could potentially affect. This situation is no joking matter.

Quoting: StingOwens

Responded back to him with a few more questions.

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Thank You for that info RadCchick! Any chance you can give us a link to the thread you are referring to?
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@ RadChick

you said that this situation is "an impending disaster".

could you please tell us what you think is the major
problem at this point, and how do see this present
problem turning into the "impending disaster" of which you speak.
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BP nuked a fault line, compromised it. There's a very active gas pocket in GOM, a newly discovered techtonic plate under Louisiana Bayou, and the New Madrid Seismic Zone is unstable, with a major grid of natural gas pipelines and 15 nuclear plants nearby. Also theory is that Synthia, rather than merely eating crude oil, mixed with substances and then mutated, now out of control and entering land, aquifers, water supply.
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I posted this in another thread, it puts the potential destruction into perspective.
ok. here is some research I put together, maybe some of you can figure out what I am trying to convey.
This is from [link to www.ehow.com]
Butane and propane in their natural states are gases at room temperature, but they are normally compressed into liquids for everyday use. This is done so that the butane or propane can be easily transported and used, since in their gaseous state they take up a much larger volume. Both are readily flammable. Butane is used in cigarette lighters and has a flash point of -76 to -117 degrees Fahrenheit. Propane is commonly used with barbecues and has a flash point of -156 degrees.

Now we know there is 1.5 million barrels of liquid butane in a salt dome near the sink hole and apprently that going off would equal 5.8 trillion BTUs. source [link to sincedutch.wordpress.com]
source material for conversion---> [link to www.extension.iastate.edu (secure)]
Lets do the math to get an idea how many BTUs are in a barrel of liquid butane and we'll go the conservative route and use the LHV or low heating value. 1 barrel contains 3,906,000 BTUs. Times that by 1.5 million barrels and we get 5,859,000,000,000 or 5.859 trillion BTUs. Granted liquid butane is a flammable liquid and not a combustible liquid, this is still a massive amount of energy. More so it is encapuslated in a cavern under pressure. If this were to be sparked, it would be very very bad. That would be equal to a 1.477431223829 megatons (source of conversion- [link to online.unitconverterpro.com]
The Hiroshima bomb was .02 megaton or 20 kilotons. However modern nuclear weapons are around 1 megaton, the idea is you can do more damage with 10 1 megaton weapons then 1 10 megaton weapon. Um, It doesn't take a math genius to see that if this cavern containing this liquid butane were to be ignited, it will be very very very bad. It's 1 thing for liquid butane to be ignited in open air as compared to being in a compressed environment with what I expect to be butane in gas form near the top and think of the immense pressures involved in containing this stuff. Think of it like a fire cracker, if you rest it on an open hand, it'll burn you, hold it in a fist and buh bye hand, you'll get the name "captain hook". This is not good at all. Whoever thought it was a good idea to contain anything like this, including toxic waste and radiological material in caverns inside the earth is a fucking retard.
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@ RadChick

you said that this situation is "an impending disaster".

could you please tell us what you think is the major
problem at this point, and how do see this present
problem turning into the "impending disaster" of which you speak.
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Sorry this quote ^^ comes from this thread, from someone named StingerOwen who sounded very knowledgeable...tried to post it in a quote box but wouldnt work:

Thread: Sinkhole emergency butane flared 40 !!!!!!!!Emergency response” (Page 2)

I asked if he could give some more details about his assesment of the current situation and will watch the thread and post if he replies.

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Informative post on another thread, wanted to share it here:

From: Re: Sinkhole emergency butane flared 40 !!!!!!!!Emergency response”


The "flare" isn't actually coming from the cavern itself, and never did.

They are flaring through a flare stack, a tall joint of pipe with an ignition source at the top that burns unwanted/dangerous/etc material... no flames inside the cavern.

A 40' flare may sound huge, but I have seen (and worked on) much larger on a daily basis for many years.

I have years of experience with these. I can see the point of flaring out of a stack in this setting being a double-edge sword... the height of the flame will help ensure that no dense, low-lying combustibles are ignited during this operation, but I have seen large gusts of wind carry flames much larger than this close enough to the ground to cause concern... this may be why the emergency response plan was enacted, the choke was opened too much letting an unsafe amount of gas flare at once...

A thermal oxidizer would have been a MUCH safer option in this setting. An enclosed flare that eliminates most of the pollutants and dangerous by-products of flaring before releasing them into the atmosphere... much more expensive than flaring, which is why it wasn't chosen.

From my experience I would say the flaring is safe, at the moment. Roads were closed briefly (which I'm sure is where "emergency response" came into this), probably to make sure once the choke was backed off that the flare would back off as well.

But I will also confirm one thing: oil and gas companies don't give a fuck about your health. They don't care about your safety. They don't care if you're dead or alive, the loss of our lives would be considered collateral damage, as many have said before me. Money and greed power the machine. There is no rule, state or federal, that won't bend FOR THEM. It is my job to ensure that these rules are upheld, and that the general public is kept safe. I have been in the corporate offices of almost every major energy company to discuss their safety programs and contingency planning, and I have witnessed in most cases a blatant disregard for the safety of humanity and the environment. The only thing they are concerned with protecting is the almighty buck.

With that being said, I don't mean to downplay this situation at all, but people freaking out about the flaring should target their concerns at the many other dangerous factors going on now... this is an impending disaster, no way around that.

I have been asked by many of these companies to turn a blind eye as they break the rules, but refuse. Fuck putting a price on human life.. animal life... any life. I have averted many shady operations in the past, but this one is completely out of my realm, and I am deeply concerned with how it's going to turn out.

Pray, love, send positive energy, whatever your thing is, to the people of Louisiana... and the many other areas that this could potentially affect. This situation is no joking matter.

Quoting: StingOwens
 Quoting: RadChick


Responded back to him with a few more questions.


This post seems as though they are saying the 40' flare that happened Thursday morning, resulting in the road closure was part of the intentional flaring and it was not a part of the controled, intentional flares.

Fire burned 40 feet high early Thursday morning at Crosstex Energy LP’s Napoleonville Salt Dome cavern facility, an unexpected event the company spokesperson told reporter Deborah Dupré Friday. An hour earlier, USGS seismic monitors indicated increased activity.

"We did not plan for this and are still analyzing what happened to determine the cause," Crosstex spokesperson Jill McMillan told reporter Deborah Dupré Friday in a telephone interview about the Bayou Corne sinkhole disaster.

Asked if the flare was automatic or manually started, McMillan said that the company is still trying to work that out.

"We are continuing to determine the cause for why the flare
occurred."

[link to www.examiner.com]

I have a little trouble believing those last two sentences as I believe they would have to know what happened.

I am not disagreeing with the above post, it just seemed to me like this Thursday morning flare was a different event.
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Think here is the reference to rice and also the reason they stated about going to the library (implying an old book)
Look at the table of contents and then go to page 92 -
Geological Survey water-supply paper, Volume 1364:
[link to books.google.com]

The above link references work by Fisk, specifically his fracture pattern. you will want to see this - Louisiana Chenier Plain Geological Investigation by Harold N. Fisk (This is a scan of an almost impossible to obtain 1948 US Army Corps of Engineers report by Harold N. Fisk on the geology of the Louisiana Chenier Plain):
[link to www.scribd.com]


Fisk fracture pattern (notice were they are in relation to the sinkhole):
[link to ars.els-cdn.com]

[link to ars.els-cdn.com]


Geology of Fort Polk Region, Louisiana:
[link to www.scribd.com]

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not sure if posted (image is interesting for those unclear of the fracturing:

U.S. Government Confirms Link Between Earthquakes and Hydraulic Fracturing
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Awesome find there TeamReaper!
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Those are some good posts teamreaper.
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Thanks Team Reaper!
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Good morning Everyone, hope all is well and safe in your world. (:
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Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Think here is the reference to rice and also the reason they stated about going to the library (implying an old book)
Look at the table of contents and then go to page 92 -
Geological Survey water-supply paper, Volume 1364:
[link to books.google.com]

The above link references work by Fisk, specifically his fracture pattern. you will want to see this - Louisiana Chenier Plain Geological Investigation by Harold N. Fisk (This is a scan of an almost impossible to obtain 1948 US Army Corps of Engineers report by Harold N. Fisk on the geology of the Louisiana Chenier Plain):
[link to www.scribd.com]


Fisk fracture pattern (notice were they are in relation to the sinkhole):
[link to ars.els-cdn.com]

[link to ars.els-cdn.com]


Geology of Fort Polk Region, Louisiana:
[link to www.scribd.com]
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Weren't they supposed to start the flaring of the three vent wells yesterday? Anyone know if they did?
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Weren't they supposed to start the flaring of the three vent wells yesterday? Anyone know if they did?
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they don't work weekends. they're putting another crawdad on the barbee right now.
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".....they're putting another crawdad on the barby"(sorry if I didn't get the quote exact, working off my cell right now) Sounds like they're grubbin with the Aussie's drilling next door ;-)
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Appreciate the thx. Hope you all had time to read the first link, especially the part about salt caverns and change in elevation by 300 feet.
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The fisk fracture map looks like there are some just north and south of the sinkhole. Did you catch the part where he discusses that these fractures happen at right angles to the fault?
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May or may not be connected to the new madrid aspect of all this: Noticing earthquakes in Georgia and North Carolina in the past 12 hours. WTF? With the multiple ones in Missouri, TN, and such the past week, looks a lot out of place. Like foreshadowing or something, I'm not used to hearing about EQ's there so it's odd to me (here in lower Alabama).

Edit to add:

[link to quakes.globalincidentmap.com]

ought to show them a bit longer, at least. Weird.

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was this posted... [link to leanweb.org]
Analysis of air samples in the Bayou Corne/Grand Bayou area by the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality demonstrated that the concentrations of toxic chemicals in the air, including Volatile Organic Compounds such as Benzene, Toluene, Ethyl Benzene and Xylene, were below the Louisiana Ambient Air Standards. However, though the concentrations of toxic chemicals were below acceptable standards, health symptoms continue to be experienced and reported by community members.

Locations where odors and health symptoms were reported by community members:

Highway 70 between Bayou Corne and Gator Corner/Stop
Highway 70 and Gumbo Street
Highway 70 between Gumbo Street and Gator Corner/Stop
Gator Corner/Stop
Gumbo Street
Sauce Piquante
Crawfish Stew Street

Time Odors were observed
6:30 AM and 9 PM

Description of Odors
Diesel
Tar
Gas
Burning Trees

[link to www.examiner.com]

if the butane in the sinkhole vicinity exploded, it would meet, according to the National Terror Alert, the definition of a dirty bomb.

"I sought an analysis of the recent DEQ test results from Waligora, who since a stint as a nuclear weapons officer in the U.S. military has been teaching, consulting and testifying as an expert witness in radiation litigation for more than 45 years," asserted Smith Friday.

He expressed concern that the state reported its findings of radium-226 and radium-228 as "below acceptable levels," when in fact, the results were 15 times higher than the state’s own standard for soil contamination.

“Well, once again the Louisiana DEQ is in denial because they don’t know what to do about the radioactive contamination in the Bayou Corne subsidence,” Waligora wrote, adding the following findings:

There are immediate radiation dose concerns, not only cumulative toxin concerns.

[link to theadvocate.com]
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Appreciate the thx. Hope you all had time to read the first link, especially the part about salt caverns and change in elevation by 300 feet.
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I've had a quick scan so far, but intend to read it all when the kids are in bed later.
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was this posted... [link to leanweb.org]
Analysis of air samples in the Bayou Corne/Grand Bayou area by the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality demonstrated that the concentrations of toxic chemicals in the air, including Volatile Organic Compounds such as Benzene, Toluene, Ethyl Benzene and Xylene, were below the Louisiana Ambient Air Standards. However, though the concentrations of toxic chemicals were below acceptable standards, health symptoms continue to be experienced and reported by community members.

Locations where odors and health symptoms were reported by community members:

Highway 70 between Bayou Corne and Gator Corner/Stop
Highway 70 and Gumbo Street
Highway 70 between Gumbo Street and Gator Corner/Stop
Gator Corner/Stop
Gumbo Street
Sauce Piquante
Crawfish Stew Street

Time Odors were observed
6:30 AM and 9 PM

Description of Odors
Diesel
Tar
Gas
Burning Trees

[link to www.examiner.com]

if the butane in the sinkhole vicinity exploded, it would meet, according to the National Terror Alert, the definition of a dirty bomb.

"I sought an analysis of the recent DEQ test results from Waligora, who since a stint as a nuclear weapons officer in the U.S. military has been teaching, consulting and testifying as an expert witness in radiation litigation for more than 45 years," asserted Smith Friday.

He expressed concern that the state reported its findings of radium-226 and radium-228 as "below acceptable levels," when in fact, the results were 15 times higher than the state’s own standard for soil contamination.

“Well, once again the Louisiana DEQ is in denial because they don’t know what to do about the radioactive contamination in the Bayou Corne subsidence,” Waligora wrote, adding the following findings:

There are immediate radiation dose concerns, not only cumulative toxin concerns.

[link to theadvocate.com]
 Quoting: miabelieves


Oh my, what a good time to post this.

Hydrogen Sulfide- broad-spectrum poison, nervous system most affected, blocks oxygen from binding and stops cellular respiration.

Benzene- confirmed human carcinogen, leukemia, cancer of the lymph system, lung cancer and bladder cancer

Methylene Chloride- affects central nervous system, liver, cardiovascular system, blood, irritation to skin, eyes, respiratory tract, also cancer hazard.

OKAY, potential cause for nervous system related diseases?? Such as meningitis, chicken pox, and HFMD. Is this why it's slowly getting picked up by msm? Blaming meningitis on some steroid shots that have been used for years as back pain treatment, why now? But could the real reason be from the gasses being released from the ground all along New Madrid fault line?

I was watching a movie on FX last night with mark wahlberg in an m night shamylon (spelling?) about an unknown airborne chemical in the NE that the main characters are perplexed by. In part of the movie they were watching the MSM on tv, two guys sitting down were talking about the cause of the airborne invisible illness. The guest on the show considered it the beginning of the end, but the opposing opinion from the other guy said it was planned by our own government. Both are logical in some sense according to the time we are in.
I just thought how much of a coincidence it was that movie of all movies was playing and that same night I found out the information about these chemical definitions I posted.

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