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alexisj9

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Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the
sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part
of this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that
Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards
when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they
washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides
of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure
to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts
the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this
salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided
to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural
gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which
is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,
is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --
and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25192789


I agree with you for the most part except for the Texas brine stuff, I think the bottom side of the cavern was melted by external water, either sea water or, the water left over by hydrolic fracturing. I think the second option due to shale coming in with it.

The industry has a good scape goat to pay for everything for the moment, I wonder how many other companies will have expensive bills before this is over.
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Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the
sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part
of this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that
Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards
when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they
washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides
of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure
to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts
the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this
salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided
to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural
gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which
is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,
is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --
and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25192789


I agree with you for the most part except for the Texas brine stuff, I think the bottom side of the cavern was melted by external water, either sea water or, the water left over by hydrolic fracturing. I think the second option due to shale coming in with it.

The industry has a good scape goat to pay for everything for the moment, I wonder how many other companies will have expensive bills before this is over.
 Quoting: alexisj9


the damn "cavern" (and the whole damn Napoleanville Salt Dome Complex, for that matter) is small potatoes compared
to the Real Problem (which i stated so exquisitely).
alexisj9

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Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the
sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part
of this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that
Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards
when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they
washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides
of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure
to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts
the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this
salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided
to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural
gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which
is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,
is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --
and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25192789


I agree with you for the most part except for the Texas brine stuff, I think the bottom side of the cavern was melted by external water, either sea water or, the water left over by hydrolic fracturing. I think the second option due to shale coming in with it.

The industry has a good scape goat to pay for everything for the moment, I wonder how many other companies will have expensive bills before this is over.
 Quoting: alexisj9


the damn "cavern" (and the whole damn Napoleanville Salt Dome Complex, for that matter) is small potatoes compared
to the Real Problem (which i stated so exquisitely).
 Quoting: dr.einstein


I agree on that, just not on the blame game. Well unless your looking out to sea anyway.
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well, evacuating all of southern lousiana for the next 100 years, until the gas dissipates, is disaster enough for me.
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I know what you mean.

But, what would it take for such an order? I don't see it happening at this point; they aren't anywhere near declaring a widespread(ing) disaster area, even as the sinkhole(s) continues to spread...while new ones appear elsewhere.

I've seen the failing trees, the water between stands which have yet to fall, roads 'dissolving' before our eyes, and, the pockets where people are getting sick.

No one is going to order an evacuation unless some undeniable tragedy occurs, which manages to set off an alarm which will not turn off.
 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan


well, keep in mind that i am talking about natural gas
saturating ALL of the ground in southern louisiana.

this catastrophe is just now getting started. and Bayou Corne
just happens to be "ground zero".

there is natural gas starting to percolate out of the
ground all around Assumption Parish right now... so,
maybe you can see how this thing might grow and grow
until the natural gas engulfs all of southern louisiana
(including New Orleans)

(p.s. get your minds out of "sinkholes" for cry-sakes!)
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10/13/2012 07:57 PM
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One option I can think of is the citizens of LA organize and collect and share data themselves. Waiting for anyone who is paid to do a job is to expect mediocrity, as those who come from the heart will use a above average or exceptional approach because they care and it matters to them. Barter your skills, one can collect while one calculates the data, and another performs data entry, etc. It's obvious that the gov. at all levels doesn't care, but we do... Create a risk back up plan so all can be accounted for to ensure their safety.

p.s. yes, this happens at GLP - in this thread and similar ones, but the local approach would be the brains/nerve center

Posted this on another thread, maybe this is probably happening already...I would like to thank all you people for giving a damn, you who have been doing research/due diligence. I haven't contributed but I have been trying to educate and pass on the word as much as possible. All of your hard work is not going unnoticed - you are beautiful people! If awareness is wide spread it adds more talent and abilities to an effort - and strengthens us as people who care about our beautiful planet, the grandmother of all. It gives me hope that such caring individuals exist among the noise and haste...
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One option I can think of is the citizens of LA organize and collect and share data themselves. Waiting for anyone who is paid to do a job is to expect mediocrity, as those who come from the heart will use a above average or exceptional approach because they care and it matters to them. Barter your skills, one can collect while one calculates the data, and another performs data entry, etc. It's obvious that the gov. at all levels doesn't care, but we do... Create a risk back up plan so all can be accounted for to ensure their safety.

p.s. yes, this happens at GLP - in this thread and similar ones, but the local approach would be the brains/nerve center

Posted this on another thread, maybe this is probably happening already...I would like to thank all you people for giving a damn, you who have been doing research/due diligence. I haven't contributed but I have been trying to educate and pass on the word as much as possible. All of your hard work is not going unnoticed - you are beautiful people! If awareness is wide spread it adds more talent and abilities to an effort - and strengthens us as people who care about our beautiful planet, the grandmother of all. It gives me hope that such caring individuals exist among the noise and haste...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25450516


well, GLP happens to be the Bulletin Board to the World.

so, why re-invent the wheel?

GLP IS the Information Clearing-House of the World.

so, tell all yer friends to come and post any knowledge
they might have to these threads.
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Has anyone evrer noticed when threads really start developing good info, these pissing matches/shill/Disinfo/confusing BS/ paranoia starts....lol
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so where is all this good info you're talking about? names, corporations, specifics? all I see is DAWG and the usual shill bots hiding behind different avatars doing 3rd grade nursery rhymes. ewww, great info.
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Fuck off pin head!
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WOW! Looks like we got too close again and the shills came out in full force! My favorite was Dr. Whatever the heck his name is calling SiniXster a shill! that's a good one! Let's set the record straight for those that are 'new' or haven't followed the whole thread...if SiniXster says something you best LISTEN! And for the folks claiming 'role playing'..I know, it's so horrible of a situation it's hard to take it all in. We understand, it's ok, ignorance is blizz. Go ahead and go on with your day then and leave the thread. For I assure the rest of you THIS IS NO GAME. Now for those seeking the truth, let's get back to fact finding. hf
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hey look, its radchick w' her different avatar.

pigchefpigchefpigchefpigchef
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Shit for brains!
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Ji DAWG, I got a riddle 4 U. I fixed the hole w/ another Assumption suck.



Oh, how is this thread edited when it was posted by an AC? hmmm, another riddle.
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Riddle me this... fuck off ass head!
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there is natural gas starting to percolate out of the
ground all around Assumption Parish right now... so,
maybe you can see how this thing might grow and grow
until the natural gas engulfs all of southern louisiana
(including New Orleans)

 Quoting: dr.einstein


And into Texas, up to Arkansas and New Madrid . . .

Add to that the theory that Synthia is entering aquifers and water supply . . .

Yikes, double yikes, triple yikes . . .
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Federal officials said late Friday they have approved a joint plan from BP and Transocean to identify the source of a sheen in the Gulf Of Mexico associated with the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

[link to theadvocate.com]

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Federal officials said late Friday they have approved a joint plan from BP and Transocean to identify the source of a sheen in the Gulf Of Mexico associated with the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

[link to theadvocate.com]

hf
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BP says that there is always oily scum floating around
in the Gulf, and that this is nothing to be concerned about.
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10/13/2012 10:24 PM
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when was the last time any dawg provided any info?
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when was the last time any dawg provided any info?
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A few days ago now.
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when was the last time any dawg provided any info?
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A few days ago now.
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I sense something is about to happen.. I wonder if we will get any warning ahead of it..
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when was the last time any dawg provided any info?
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A few days ago now.
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I sense something is about to happen.. I wonder if we will get any warning ahead of it..
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I hope you are wrong. Things are bad enough as they are.
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when was the last time any dawg provided any info?
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A few days ago now.
 Quoting: alexisj9


I sense something is about to happen.. I wonder if we will get any warning ahead of it..
 Quoting: 1908247


I hope you are wrong. Things are bad enough as they are.
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I hope for the best too.
By 15th November I believe much will be unraveling though.. just a huntch.

You guys are doing a nice work btw! Keep it up!

hf
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crude oil in the stinkhole?

well, since all of the natural gas percolating out of
the ground (in Assumption Parish) is coming from a pressurized natural gas
reservoir deep in the Earth's crust: it makes perfectly
good sense that there would also be some crude oil
associated with this natural gas reservoir and that
some of the crude oil is being pushed to the surface
along with the natural gas.
alexisj9

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10/13/2012 11:00 PM
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crude oil in the stinkhole?

well, since all of the natural gas percolating out of
the ground (in Assumption Parish) is coming from a pressurized natural gas
reservoir deep in the Earth's crust: it makes perfectly
good sense that there would also be some crude oil
associated with this natural gas reservoir and that
some of the crude oil is being pushed to the surface
along with the natural gas.
 Quoting: dr.einstein


I was wondering when you would pick up the oil part.

What you say make sense on this, just a question though.

Are you connecting this gas to what happened in the gulf, or is it just something that has decided to happen, possibly because of earth changes due to that energy band thing?
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when was the last time any dawg provided any info?
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A few days ago now.
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I sense something is about to happen.. I wonder if we will get any warning ahead of it..
 Quoting: 1908247


this is the last day of the Saints Bye week.
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ConocoPhillips (2010)
The Role of the Mississippi in Deltaic Research:
Page 30, estimated Louisiana coastline 2100

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In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when itís there.
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Interesting map:
[link to 0.tqn.com]
In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when itís there.
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Soil Pollution, Chemical Weapons (page 161 - BZ and Phosgene):

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In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when itís there.
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Coon Dawg here. Hiya! Here's an update.

You guys were told about this weeks ago. Not unexpected. Horrible, not good, potentially devastating, and only a precursor but yeah, you were told.

Dawgs right again. Not that we're happy about that.

Thread: Must See: Crude oil now covers much of giant sinkhole ó Flowing into surrounding area (ENHANCED PHOTO) (Page 5)
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Coon Dawg here. Hiya! Here's an update.

You guys were told about this weeks ago. Not unexpected. Horrible, not good, potentially devastating, and only a precursor but yeah, you were told.

Dawgs right again. Not that we're happy about that.

Thread: Must See: Crude oil now covers much of giant sinkhole ó Flowing into surrounding area (ENHANCED PHOTO) (Page 5)
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Either you're "dawg" or not . . . but it's the same vague, cryptic re-hash of what OTHERS here have already posted.

Sheesh.
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We don't care about credit. We do however want to emphasize our record of accuracy.

So that the warnings will be taken seriously.

Those who have followed this since inception know how accurate OP, East Texas, and the Dawgs have been.

Linking to new "confirmed" info that verifies previous "barks" from the Dawgs is not rude or presumptuous or even lazy.

When the warning comes people need to have a reasonable expectation is legitimacy, because there will be no official warning, just an after-the-fact "oh my god".

You have been warned.
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) ó Federal officials have approved a joint plan from BP and Transocean to identify the source of a sheen in the Gulf Of Mexico associated with the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

Officials said in a news release late Friday that the federal on-site coordinator approved the joint plan on Thursday. Coast Guard Capt. Duke Walker had required the plan, and federal officials had informed BP and Transocean they might be held responsible for the costs of identifying the source and the cleanup.
[link to www.usatoday.com]
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Absurd. Face it, we're never going to know what the hell is going on until they want us too.

I'm just going to keep posting this video. Not because I'm a huge JV fan, but because of what they found. It really is unbelievable.

27:35 or if you're really impatient, 31:20


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ó read for knowledge, not answers.


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