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justanothergranny User ID: 20609565  United States10/24/2012 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you, Patassa! You answered all my questions very well. And I really enjoyed the slide show. Been a while since I've personally been in that country, but I loved it while I was there! I really hope this crisis doesn't get as bad as I fear it could! All of you who call that area home are in my prayers. |
| justanothergranny User ID: 20609565 United States10/24/2012 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | www.fastcompany.com BP's Cofferdam Container Failed, How Will They Stop the Gulf Oil Spill Now? "BP's most promising idea was its Cofferdam Operation, a 98-ton steel and concrete containment chamber lowered on top of the damaged pipe that connected the drilling rig to the oil well. The chamber took two weeks to build. In theory, the 40-foot-tall chamber was supposed to capture oil and allow it to flow through a pipe to a barge on the surface. But the Gulf Oil Disaster Recovery Group reported on Saturday that the operation failed--ice crystals formed inside the container, clogging the pipe that was supposed to bring oil to the barge." The last report I saw on the latest oil sheen in the GoM said it was nearly 20 miles long?? And it's supposed to be from oil leaking from the cofferdam?? Am I the only one who finds that hard to believe??? Last Edited by justanothergranny on 10/24/2012 09:51 PM |
| siniXster User ID: 26169464 United States10/24/2012 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | www.fastcompany.com Quoting: justanothergranny BP's Cofferdam Container Failed, How Will They Stop the Gulf Oil Spill Now? "BP's most promising idea was its Cofferdam Operation, a 98-ton steel and concrete containment chamber lowered on top of the damaged pipe that connected the drilling rig to the oil well. The chamber took two weeks to build. In theory, the 40-foot-tall chamber was supposed to capture oil and allow it to flow through a pipe to a barge on the surface. But the Gulf Oil Disaster Recovery Group reported on Saturday that the operation failed--ice crystals formed inside the container, clogging the pipe that was supposed to bring oil to the barge." The last report I saw on the latest oil sheen in the GoM said it was nearly 20 miles long?? And it's supposed to be from oil leaking from the cofferdam?? Am I the only one who finds that hard to believe??? No Granny you're not...that story is total BS. There's nothing they can do, they've never been in this situation before. The only chance they had was nuking it early on. That's said w/ regard to them actually trying, I don't believe they ever tried. hint hint "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide "Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai "All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton "Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1 Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin |
| Earth Cries User ID: 26207989 United States10/24/2012 11:18 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | www.fastcompany.com Quoting: justanothergranny BP's Cofferdam Container Failed, How Will They Stop the Gulf Oil Spill Now? "BP's most promising idea was its Cofferdam Operation, a 98-ton steel and concrete containment chamber lowered on top of the damaged pipe that connected the drilling rig to the oil well. The chamber took two weeks to build. In theory, the 40-foot-tall chamber was supposed to capture oil and allow it to flow through a pipe to a barge on the surface. But the Gulf Oil Disaster Recovery Group reported on Saturday that the operation failed--ice crystals formed inside the container, clogging the pipe that was supposed to bring oil to the barge." The last report I saw on the latest oil sheen in the GoM said it was nearly 20 miles long?? And it's supposed to be from oil leaking from the cofferdam?? Am I the only one who finds that hard to believe??? No Granny you're not...that story is total BS. There's nothing they can do, they've never been in this situation before. The only chance they had was nuking it early on. That's said w/ regard to them actually trying, I don't believe they ever tried. hint hint Remember last week when that article came out and Sen Markey and others were insisting that BP send the rovers back down with the underwater cams? Haven't heard a thing since them. Guess BP does what it wants as usual. They do not want the world to see just how bad the sea bed is messed up there. And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? William Butler Yeats |
| allisaTX User ID: 25379369 United States10/24/2012 11:31 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | During the GOM BP oil spill there was an Italian scientist who said that the Gulf Stream was basically going to die from the oil and corexit that had been sprayed in the Gulf. Quoting: Earth Cries I can't remember his name, but it sure looks like he was right. Climate-changing methane 'rapidly destabilizing' off East Coast, study finds [link to usnews.nbcnews.com] A kind poster on my sinkhole thread provided me with his name and the article that came out at the time. Italian Scientists Fear BP Gusher Damaged Gulf Stream [link to www.lorenzohagerty.com] I posted this on my sinkhole thread and thought you all would like to see it. Methane is becoming a major problem everywhere. Here they admit to "changes in the Gulf Stream..." ....seems a rare admission from a msm article: "Another unknown is what caused the Gulf Stream changes, said Phrampus, an earth sciences PhD candidate at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas." |
| justanothergranny User ID: 20609565 United States10/24/2012 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | www.nola.com/business 10/18/12 BP says recent oil sheen in Gulf likely came from discarded equipment "BP, in a statement announcing its findings, confirmed that oil was not leaking from the Macondo well or from the relief well that eventually sealed it. The British oil giant spent three days this week using a remotely-controlled underwater vehicle to inspect the Gulf bottom and the wellhead area at the site, near Mississippi Canyon block 252, about 50 miles off the Louisiana coast, including the drilling riser that had connected the rig to the sea floor. The inspection showed "small, intermittent drops of oil" leaking from an opening at the top and the side of the cofferdam. Samples of the droplets were collected to be analyzed as a potential match with the sheen. The underwater inspection was BP's third since the well was permanently sealed in September 2010, five months after the Deepwater Horizon exploded, killing 11 rig workers and causing one of the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history." |
| Tropicalgirl User ID: 1235443 United States10/24/2012 11:48 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the "trigger" is ambiguous. it could have happened, or never will Quoting: Marsute the "for what" is equally so we are not dealing with absolutes, only attempting to look at pieces of the whole we are like the blind men and the elephant, none of us can define the elephant yet. this could be a "slow destroy" event that will never blow up, never tidal wave anyplace, but just sink, and sink, and sink for years maybe everyones perception on cayces map is wrong in that the change comes very slow and creeping small eqs settle, repeat and rinse added methane introduces more co2 and water in the water cycle which cause more flooding/rain observation takes patience, to not go nuts while watching requires faith remember, sometimes the truth does NOT set you free, it makes you go nuts...and i am as wacky as the best...lol dr All conjecture on my part, of course: The "trigger" was the breach of the fault line The "for what" possibly depopulation/control of the coastal areas by the "elephant" The "Elephant" is the government and all their cronies. Can it be stopped - probably not. Is the sinkhole relevant?....absolutely! Many many scenarios in the past have been ignored...the sinkhole is the first one that has garnered any amount of information. We can't make it go away. Thanks very much dr, TR and Marsute, I appreciate your insights and opinions. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18824297 United States10/24/2012 11:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | During the GOM BP oil spill there was an Italian scientist who said that the Gulf Stream was basically going to die from the oil and corexit that had been sprayed in the Gulf. Quoting: Earth Cries I can't remember his name, but it sure looks like he was right. Climate-changing methane 'rapidly destabilizing' off East Coast, study finds [link to usnews.nbcnews.com] A kind poster on my sinkhole thread provided me with his name and the article that came out at the time. Italian Scientists Fear BP Gusher Damaged Gulf Stream [link to www.lorenzohagerty.com] I posted this on my sinkhole thread and thought you all would like to see it. Methane is becoming a major problem everywhere. Well, I posted this on another thread and figured it would fit this quote This is happening all over especially Areas the gas companies are fracking This is not good and a methane explosion can happen just about any where in the world. Methane Making An Appearance In Pa. Water Supplies This was from August 28, 2012 in Pennsylvania Snip A neighbor in Leroy Township, Pa., called Mike and told him to check the water well located just outside his front door. "I said, 'I'll be down in 15 minutes.' I wanted to see the race," Leighton said. But as the horses were racing, Leighton's well was overflowing. Typically, there's between 80 to 100 feet of head space between the top of the well and its water supply. But when Leighton went outside, the water was bubbling over the top. More on link [link to www.npr.org] Methane gas mixed with water generally turns red but when certain metals are present it could turn black. I think? Grin |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18824297 United States10/25/2012 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Makes me think of Red Rain In India earlier this year was full of methane? 1 Min. video [link to www.youtube.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9132775  France10/25/2012 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some interesting thoughts about BP and GOM here: Thread: Something Just Went BEZERK in the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy just sunk a French Submarine (Page 1384) |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26165384 United States10/25/2012 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it time to TRY a mass email campaign to the Government officials of Louisiana? Governor, Lt. GOv. Reps., Senators? Demanding answers and a plan of action. I am thinking residents of LA would be the best to do this, as their status as residents would give them standing. But maybe a flood from across the US would be good too. There must be something pro active that we can do. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26271025 United States10/25/2012 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are only 2 Big Problems that i see in all of this: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25958921 #1 is all of the natural gas that is percolating out of the ground all around Assumption Parish. #2 is that the "sinkhole" is strong evidence that the roof of the Texas Brine Cavern is collapsing, and if the Texas Brine Cavern collapses then that event may trigger the collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome Complex. and, that is all. and, the possible collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome would only mean the end of the Bayou Corne community. whereas the natural gas (methane) percolating out of the ground in Assumption Parish is a real threat that all of Assumption Parish could be made completely uninhabitable because of it. Yes, but the sink hole break is 5000 ft. down and doesn't it border the gulf? It seems the ocean would rush into this land area and flood it? I mean the salt dome breech....borders the Gulf of Mexico... well, Assumption Parish is 20 ft. above sea level and more than 25 miles away from any "sea level water". so, if the Napoleonville Salt Dome collapsed, it would only make a hole in the ground 1 mile by 3 miles, and all of the swampland around it would drain into the new "lake" and fill it up which would create a lot of new Real Estate! but no water from the Gulf would come rushing in. ummm...incorrect the volumn of area for water opened up would cause water to flow into the bayou. for the record, the salt formation is 10,000 feet deep. have ya ever been to louisiana? the swamp rums ~150 miles and ends at the gulf 20 foot elevation is nill when the ground is so saturated as it is down there angle of repose would allow the matterial to slough to an incredably flat angle [link to en.wikipedia.org] wet clay, and sand are 15 degrees so go to a point 10,000 feet down, and come back at a 15 degree angle back to the surface, much larger than the simpleton 1 x 3 mile answer learn some science dr |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26271025 United States10/25/2012 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | remember when the flow of water out of the gulf stopped then mid atlantic basicly stopped I am wondering is that the point when water flow stated to move inland either underwater into caverns or slowly supersaturating the coastlines? fla record sinkholes could also coincide wonder if cuba and the carib are seeing "geological stability" problems or possibly the gulf floor slowly sinking could also give more free volumn to the gulf raising sea bed would do the opposite, I'd think, we'd see the gulf stream increase as land displaces the water. musings and things to ponder while doing some automotive work in the shop (72 vw bug gets new wiring today) guess I should be working on my military fire truck though, for evac purposes...lol see ya'll later dr |
| siniXster User ID: 26169464 United States10/25/2012 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SiniXter Quoting: Marsute I'm taking on the world to save my children. Thank you and I'll fight along with you. as will I (for grandkids, too ...ok, yea I'm old... which makes me twice as dangerous) dr Thank you to you both  "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide "Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai "All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton "Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1 Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin |
| siniXster User ID: 26169464 United States10/25/2012 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | remember when the flow of water out of the gulf stopped Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26271025 then mid atlantic basicly stopped I am wondering is that the point when water flow stated to move inland either underwater into caverns or slowly supersaturating the coastlines? fla record sinkholes could also coincide wonder if cuba and the carib are seeing "geological stability" problems or possibly the gulf floor slowly sinking could also give more free volumn to the gulf raising sea bed would do the opposite, I'd think, we'd see the gulf stream increase as land displaces the water. musings and things to ponder while doing some automotive work in the shop (72 vw bug gets new wiring today) guess I should be working on my military fire truck though, for evac purposes...lol see ya'll later dr Both the Caribbean and Coccus Plates have been highly active since the disaster happened, think Haiti and to answer your second query most of the ocean basins are sinking due to Post Glacial Rebound. You'll also notice a rise in the seafloor around the equator, this is due to earths rotation slowing by 24 seconds over the last 40yrs. Think of an ice skater spinning, as she slows her arms drop to her torso (middle/equator) and spread outwards from the centrifugal force, same idea here, she's expanded by 27 miles. Last Edited by siniXster on 10/25/2012 10:41 AM "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide "Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai "All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton "Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1 Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin |
| siniXster User ID: 26169464 United States10/25/2012 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning Everyone...interesting article. While it’s no ice-nine, a frozen form of methane trapped in ocean sediments could be cause for concern. Warm Gulf Stream waters off the east coast of North America are converting large amounts of the substance into methane gas, which could lead to underwater landslides and influence global climate. A good portion of the biological carbon on Earth is stored in the seafloor as methane hydrate, a frozen mixture of methane and water formed at high pressure and low temperature. Changes in the temperature or direction of the Gulf Stream, which carries warm water north from the Gulf of Mexico, have heated sediments in a strip along the North Atlantic seafloor by 8 degrees Celsius, unlocking 2.5 billion metric tons of methane from deep-sea caches, scientists report in the Oct. 25 Nature. This is the first study to suggest that methane hydrate melting is related to ocean currents themselves, says study coauthor Benjamin Phrampus, an Earth scientist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas. Previous studies suggested that the global ocean temperature would have to increase to cause hydrate breakdown, which would take a very huge input of energy, he says. “We don’t need this large amount of energy to explain this. It’s simply a change in the ocean currents.” [link to www.sciencenews.org] "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide "Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai "All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton "Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1 Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin |
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| siniXster User ID: 26169464 United States10/25/2012 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Morning. That is a very interesting article. Quoting: allisaTX I was glad to hear Texas Brine yesterday in the briefing (Cartwright I believe is his name) state: the oil/gas in the sink hole "appears to be coming from a finite source" this is good news is it not? More truth w/in lies I'm afraid...sure the source is finite, isn't any fossil fuel or natural formation? How finite is the question, not finite enough to stop the calamity from occurring unfortunately would be an educated answer. The Methane Hydrate Layer spans most of the planet, as the viruses and bacteria continue to consume it the pressure under the bedrock will continue to build, the gas will make it's way into every crack and crevice it can find. I don't like being a defeatist however we need to look at this w/out rose-colored glasses in order to stay safe. "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide "Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai "All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton "Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1 Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14703458 United States10/25/2012 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems this is a common occurance... "-- A toxic cloud that formed after 300 gallons of hydrochloric acid leaked at a southeast Texas storage facility sent nine people to hospitals and forced thousands of residents indoors, an emergency management official said Thursday." [link to www.cnn.com] I could find no report why the rupture happened. Made me think of not making assumptions. |
| siniXster User ID: 26169464 United States10/25/2012 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems this is a common occurance... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14703458 "-- A toxic cloud that formed after 300 gallons of hydrochloric acid leaked at a southeast Texas storage facility sent nine people to hospitals and forced thousands of residents indoors, an emergency management official said Thursday." [link to www.cnn.com] I could find no report why the rupture happened. Made me think of not making assumptions. Nice find AC, thank you. "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide "Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai "All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton "Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1 Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin |
| AncientDust User ID: 25827622 United States10/25/2012 12:37 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this thread seems to be dying off Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26208170 interesting to see who's left role call?...lol dr Present Still here. I'm still here too but I signed up now. I think my old number was 1596? or 94? Been here since the start of this thread anyhoo! Glad to see it still going! |
| siniXster User ID: 26169464 United States10/25/2012 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This just in... It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time. [link to enenews.com] "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide "Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai "All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton "Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1 Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4079433 United States10/25/2012 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This just in... Quoting: siniXster It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time. [link to enenews.com] This does not sound good at all!!! |
