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siniXster

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remember when the flow of water out of the gulf stopped
then mid atlantic basicly stopped

I am wondering

is that the point when water flow stated to move inland
either underwater into caverns or slowly supersaturating the coastlines?

fla record sinkholes could also coincide
wonder if cuba and the carib are seeing "geological stability" problems


or possibly the gulf floor slowly sinking could also give more free volumn to the gulf

raising sea bed would do the opposite, I'd think, we'd see the gulf stream increase as land displaces the water.

musings and things to ponder while doing some automotive work in the shop
(72 vw bug gets new wiring today)

guess I should be working on my military fire truck though, for evac purposes...lol

see ya'll later

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26271025

Both the Caribbean and Coccus Plates have been highly active since the disaster happened, think Haiti and to answer your second query most of the ocean basins are sinking due to Post Glacial Rebound.

You'll also notice a rise in the seafloor around the equator, this is due to earths rotation slowing by 24 seconds over the last 40yrs. Think of an ice skater spinning, as she slows her arms drop to her torso (middle/equator) and spread outwards from the centrifugal force, same idea here, she's expanded by 27 miles.

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"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Good morning Everyone...interesting article.

While its no ice-nine, a frozen form of methane trapped in ocean sediments could be cause for concern. Warm Gulf Stream waters off the east coast of North America are converting large amounts of the substance into methane gas, which could lead to underwater landslides and influence global climate.

A good portion of the biological carbon on Earth is stored in the seafloor as methane hydrate, a frozen mixture of methane and water formed at high pressure and low temperature. Changes in the temperature or direction of the Gulf Stream, which carries warm water north from the Gulf of Mexico, have heated sediments in a strip along the North Atlantic seafloor by 8 degrees Celsius, unlocking 2.5 billion metric tons of methane from deep-sea caches, scientists report in the Oct. 25 Nature.

This is the first study to suggest that methane hydrate melting is related to ocean currents themselves, says study coauthor Benjamin Phrampus, an Earth scientist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas. Previous studies suggested that the global ocean temperature would have to increase to cause hydrate breakdown, which would take a very huge input of energy, he says. We dont need this large amount of energy to explain this. Its simply a change in the ocean currents.


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"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Good Morning. That is a very interesting article.

I was glad to hear Texas Brine yesterday in the briefing (Cartwright I believe is his name) state: the oil/gas in the sink hole "appears to be coming from a finite source" this is good news is it not?
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Good Morning. That is a very interesting article.

I was glad to hear Texas Brine yesterday in the briefing (Cartwright I believe is his name) state: the oil/gas in the sink hole "appears to be coming from a finite source" this is good news is it not?
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More truth w/in lies I'm afraid...sure the source is finite, isn't any fossil fuel or natural formation? How finite is the question, not finite enough to stop the calamity from occurring unfortunately would be an educated answer.

The Methane Hydrate Layer spans most of the planet, as the viruses and bacteria continue to consume it the pressure under the bedrock will continue to build, the gas will make it's way into every crack and crevice it can find. I don't like being a defeatist however we need to look at this w/out rose-colored glasses in order to stay safe.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Seems this is a common occurance...
"-- A toxic cloud that formed after 300 gallons of hydrochloric acid leaked at a southeast Texas storage facility sent nine people to hospitals and forced thousands of residents indoors, an emergency management official said Thursday."

[link to www.cnn.com]

I could find no report why the rupture happened.
Made me think of not making assumptions.
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Seems this is a common occurance...
"-- A toxic cloud that formed after 300 gallons of hydrochloric acid leaked at a southeast Texas storage facility sent nine people to hospitals and forced thousands of residents indoors, an emergency management official said Thursday."

[link to www.cnn.com]

I could find no report why the rupture happened.
Made me think of not making assumptions.
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Nice find AC, thank you.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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this thread seems to be dying off
interesting to see who's left
role call?...lol

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Still here.
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I'm still here too but I signed up now.
I think my old number was 1596? or 94? Been here since the start of this thread anyhoo! Glad to see it still going!
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This just in...

It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time.

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"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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This just in...

It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time.

[link to enenews.com]
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This does not sound good at all!!!
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This just in...

It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time.

[link to enenews.com]
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That's not good.
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This just in...

It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time.

[link to enenews.com]
 Quoting: siniXster




That's not good.
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Neither are the helicorder readings Marsute posted the link for above ^^^

A lot of action today, Anyone know if drilling was scheduled for today?

Diggin the avatar :)

Last Edited by SiniXster on 10/25/2012 08:56 PM
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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BP caps dome believed to be source of oil sheen

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BP caps dome believed to be source of oil sheen

[link to theadvocate.com]

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"NEW ORLEANS (AP) BP says it has capped and plugged an abandoned piece of equipment that is believed to be the source of a sheen spotted near the site of the 2010 oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.


The London-based oil giant said Thursday that it successfully placed a 750-pound cap over an 86-ton steel container that the company had deployed in a failed effort to contain the spill. BP also inserted plugs on the top and sides of the container.

BP and the Coast Guard both say no oil has been seen leaking out of the container since it was capped and plugged.

The sheen appeared on the surface of the Gulf in September. BP plans to monitor the sheen by satellite for several more days."


They capped and plugged a container that had previously failed to contain the spill...and now they think it was going to work?? Why didn't they do that to begin with?

I'm not believing their story.
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Neither are the helicorder readings Marsute posted the link for above ^^^

A lot of action today, Anyone know if drilling was scheduled for today?

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I saw them. But most of the movement is only during business hours, so I would attribute it to drilling, heavy machinery, etc. Still, its disconcerting.

Thanks! Found this site when the sinkhole thread was started. Had to stay hf

You guys are nuts. And I agree with most of it! rockon
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They just called up ALL the guard
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Been reading the new posts every day, thanks.
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Me too, and a lot of others I'm sure.
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They just called up ALL the guard
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They just called up ALL the guard
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Sorry if it's a stupid question : ALL the guards from where? The state?
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Is that National Guard?
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been watching from the sidelines as of late. great work everyone! :-)
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BP caps dome believed to be source of oil sheen

[link to theadvocate.com]

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Confused now thought the oil sheen was due to old equipment left there. Now they have capped something to stop it. They should at least try to get one story together.

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Has this guy ever had anything to do with either DWH or The napolian salt dome.

Thread: British oil executive 'assassinated'

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Louisiana Sinkhole Briefing: Essentially, the earth is fractured from the salt cavern all the way to surface Crude oil coming up through fracture zone (VIDEO)

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Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
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Has this guy ever had anything to do with either DWH or The napolian salt dome.

Thread: British oil executive 'assassinated'

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posted on the other thread, too

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Phthalate Plasticizer Alternatives: Facts versus Fiction
Nicholas P. Mockford
Marketing Technical Support Manager, Intermediates Technology
ExxonMobil Chemical Europe Inc.

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maybe plasticizers are linked to morgellans, who knows

on the bigger picture
in my humble opinion, this guy is a casualty of a war going one that we do not see
industry/bankers/private armies/international interests are all at war. the CNBC guy, the weird brit wacked in the campground in france, breitbart, matt s, the list goes on and on

look at it this way, we are the people who live in the "action movie" but can't see the action movie part
only pieces and parts of the whole. think tanks, abc groups, corp board rooms, and back door political meetings are all places we will never be the fly on the wall of. so all we can do is observe, and act upon things in our direct control

now with that said.....

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I would like to get an idea of the attitude of the residents.
How many are at those meetings?
(can't view vids)
How many have left and are "out of pocket?
How many actual residences are next to, or within 2 lots of the sinkhole?

reason being, It seems obvious the people are getting less input of actual answers, so maybe its time to "ramp it up" and get some pressure put on from somewhere.

just brainstorming, not trying to butt into local affairs

dr
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From earthcries...

Sinkhole quake jolts further than Bayou Corne

[link to www.examiner.com]

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Odd earthquakes have been felt as far as 45 miles south of the sinkhole, as reported on Oct. 5 after a swarm occurred with the highest quake registering over 4 on the Richter scale.

At the meeting, officials said they were installing an early warning system that would detect earthquakes and other events. An official explained it would be more effective than the USGS monitors now in place, recording seismic activities that are occurring regularly.

"Devices looking for seismic activity will all be integrated to form another early warning-type of device," a Texas Brine spokesperson explained.

The new devices are what he said were very similar to what USGS already has in place but "a step above USGS as they will be embedded, underground, more permanent."...
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From earthcries...

Sinkhole quake jolts further than Bayou Corne

[link to www.examiner.com]

Snip less than 50%:

Odd earthquakes have been felt as far as 45 miles south of the sinkhole, as reported on Oct. 5 after a swarm occurred with the highest quake registering over 4 on the Richter scale.

At the meeting, officials said they were installing an early warning system that would detect earthquakes and other events. An official explained it would be more effective than the USGS monitors now in place, recording seismic activities that are occurring regularly.

"Devices looking for seismic activity will all be integrated to form another early warning-type of device," a Texas Brine spokesperson explained.

The new devices are what he said were very similar to what USGS already has in place but "a step above USGS as they will be embedded, underground, more permanent."...
 Quoting: littlemiracles


I have to ask, how do you early warning an EQ? predictive technology? yea, right
that thing is probably more like the stupid "captain obvious" neighbor that runs out the door during the 6.5 level earthquake shouting "E..Q..!E..Q..!E..Q..!" and you are "really, wow, I didn't f'g notice"

maybe just hook up an mp3 player to says "oh shit" and as the ground shakes more and more, the volumn goes up, and it says it faster...lol

geeezzzz

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