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During the GOM BP oil spill there was an Italian scientist who said that the Gulf Stream was basically going to die from the oil and corexit that had been sprayed in the Gulf.
I can't remember his name, but it sure looks like he was right.

Climate-changing methane 'rapidly destabilizing' off East Coast, study finds

[link to usnews.nbcnews.com]

A kind poster on my sinkhole thread provided me with his name and the article that came out at the time.

Italian Scientists Fear BP Gusher Damaged Gulf Stream

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 Quoting: Earth Cries


I posted this on my sinkhole thread and thought you all would like to see it. Methane is becoming a major problem everywhere.
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Well, I posted this on another thread and figured it would fit this quote

This is happening all over especially
Areas the gas companies are fracking

This is not good and a methane explosion can happen just about any where in the world.


Methane Making An Appearance In Pa. Water Supplies
This was from August 28, 2012 in Pennsylvania
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A neighbor in Leroy Township, Pa., called Mike and told him to check the water well located just outside his front door.

"I said, 'I'll be down in 15 minutes.' I wanted to see the race," Leighton said. But as the horses were racing, Leighton's well was overflowing. Typically, there's between 80 to 100 feet of head space between the top of the well and its water supply. But when Leighton went outside, the water was bubbling over the top.

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Methane gas mixed with water generally turns red
but when certain metals are present it could turn black.
I think? Grin
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I just can't figure out why people so badly want only to think the worst about all of this, like it's not already bad enough.
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Folks . . . this is telling.

Watch carefully for shills.
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Whoops. Hightlighted link for above quote. Sorry

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This stupid thread is still goingwtf
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Whoops. Hightlighted link for above quote. Sorry

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Makes me think of Red Rain In India earlier this year was full of methane?

1 Min. video
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Some interesting thoughts about BP and GOM here:
Thread: Something Just Went BEZERK in the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy just sunk a French Submarine (Page 1384)
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Has this been posted already?

[link to www.morningliberty.com]
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interesting
I'd like to see his bouy data

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Is it time to TRY a mass email campaign to the Government officials of Louisiana? Governor, Lt. GOv. Reps., Senators?
Demanding answers and a plan of action.
I am thinking residents of LA would be the best to do this, as their status as residents would give them standing. But maybe a flood from across the US would be good too.
There must be something pro active that we can do.
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there are only 2 Big Problems that i see in all of this:

#1 is all of the natural gas that is percolating out of the
ground all around Assumption Parish.

#2 is that the "sinkhole" is strong evidence that the
roof of the Texas Brine Cavern is collapsing, and
if the Texas Brine Cavern collapses then that event
may trigger the collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome Complex.


and, that is all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25958921


and, the possible collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome would only mean the end of the Bayou Corne community.



whereas the natural gas (methane) percolating out of the
ground in Assumption Parish is a real threat that all of
Assumption Parish could be made completely uninhabitable because of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25958921


Yes, but the sink hole break is 5000 ft. down and doesn't it border the gulf? It seems the ocean would rush into this land area and flood it?

I mean the salt dome breech....borders the Gulf of Mexico...
 Quoting: allisaTX

well, Assumption Parish is 20 ft. above sea level and
more than 25 miles away from any "sea level water".

so, if the Napoleonville Salt Dome collapsed, it would
only make a hole in the ground 1 mile by 3 miles, and
all of the swampland around it would drain into the new "lake" and fill it up which would create a lot of new Real Estate! but no water from the Gulf would come rushing in.
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ummm...incorrect
the volumn of area for water opened up would cause water to flow into the bayou. for the record, the salt formation is 10,000 feet deep.

have ya ever been to louisiana? the swamp rums ~150 miles and ends at the gulf
20 foot elevation is nill when the ground is so saturated as it is down there
angle of repose would allow the matterial to slough to an incredably flat angle

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

wet clay, and sand are 15 degrees
so go to a point 10,000 feet down, and come back at a 15 degree angle back to the surface, much larger than the simpleton 1 x 3 mile answer

learn some science

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SiniXter

I'm taking on the world to save my children.


Thank you and I'll fight along with you.
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as will I (for grandkids, too ...ok, yea I'm old...
which makes me twice as dangerous)

dr
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this thread seems to be dying off
interesting to see who's left
role call?...lol

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Present
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Still here.
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Been reading the new posts every day, thanks.
"Within you is a limitless, unborn potential of creativity and substance... (T)he tragedy can become a blessing, the disadvantage can become an advantage, the failure can become an opportunity and the disappointment can become God's appointment."- Eric Butterworth
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this thread seems to be dying off
interesting to see who's left
role call?...lol

dr
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Present
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Still here.
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Been reading the new posts every day, thanks.
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Me too, and a lot of others I'm sure.
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remember when the flow of water out of the gulf stopped
then mid atlantic basicly stopped

I am wondering

is that the point when water flow stated to move inland
either underwater into caverns or slowly supersaturating the coastlines?

fla record sinkholes could also coincide
wonder if cuba and the carib are seeing "geological stability" problems

or possibly the gulf floor slowly sinking could also give more free volumn to the gulf

raising sea bed would do the opposite, I'd think, we'd see the gulf stream increase as land displaces the water.

musings and things to ponder while doing some automotive work in the shop
(72 vw bug gets new wiring today)

guess I should be working on my military fire truck though, for evac purposes...lol

see ya'll later

dr
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SiniXter

I'm taking on the world to save my children.


Thank you and I'll fight along with you.
 Quoting: Marsute


as will I (for grandkids, too ...ok, yea I'm old...
which makes me twice as dangerous)

dr
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Thank you to you both rockon
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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remember when the flow of water out of the gulf stopped
then mid atlantic basicly stopped

I am wondering

is that the point when water flow stated to move inland
either underwater into caverns or slowly supersaturating the coastlines?

fla record sinkholes could also coincide
wonder if cuba and the carib are seeing "geological stability" problems


or possibly the gulf floor slowly sinking could also give more free volumn to the gulf

raising sea bed would do the opposite, I'd think, we'd see the gulf stream increase as land displaces the water.

musings and things to ponder while doing some automotive work in the shop
(72 vw bug gets new wiring today)

guess I should be working on my military fire truck though, for evac purposes...lol

see ya'll later

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26271025

Both the Caribbean and Coccus Plates have been highly active since the disaster happened, think Haiti and to answer your second query most of the ocean basins are sinking due to Post Glacial Rebound.

You'll also notice a rise in the seafloor around the equator, this is due to earths rotation slowing by 24 seconds over the last 40yrs. Think of an ice skater spinning, as she slows her arms drop to her torso (middle/equator) and spread outwards from the centrifugal force, same idea here, she's expanded by 27 miles.

Last Edited by siniXster on 10/25/2012 10:41 AM
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Good morning Everyone...interesting article.

While it’s no ice-nine, a frozen form of methane trapped in ocean sediments could be cause for concern. Warm Gulf Stream waters off the east coast of North America are converting large amounts of the substance into methane gas, which could lead to underwater landslides and influence global climate.

A good portion of the biological carbon on Earth is stored in the seafloor as methane hydrate, a frozen mixture of methane and water formed at high pressure and low temperature. Changes in the temperature or direction of the Gulf Stream, which carries warm water north from the Gulf of Mexico, have heated sediments in a strip along the North Atlantic seafloor by 8 degrees Celsius, unlocking 2.5 billion metric tons of methane from deep-sea caches, scientists report in the Oct. 25 Nature.

This is the first study to suggest that methane hydrate melting is related to ocean currents themselves, says study coauthor Benjamin Phrampus, an Earth scientist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas. Previous studies suggested that the global ocean temperature would have to increase to cause hydrate breakdown, which would take a very huge input of energy, he says. “We don’t need this large amount of energy to explain this. It’s simply a change in the ocean currents.”


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"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Good Morning. That is a very interesting article.

I was glad to hear Texas Brine yesterday in the briefing (Cartwright I believe is his name) state: the oil/gas in the sink hole "appears to be coming from a finite source" this is good news is it not?
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Good Morning. That is a very interesting article.

I was glad to hear Texas Brine yesterday in the briefing (Cartwright I believe is his name) state: the oil/gas in the sink hole "appears to be coming from a finite source" this is good news is it not?
 Quoting: allisaTX

More truth w/in lies I'm afraid...sure the source is finite, isn't any fossil fuel or natural formation? How finite is the question, not finite enough to stop the calamity from occurring unfortunately would be an educated answer.

The Methane Hydrate Layer spans most of the planet, as the viruses and bacteria continue to consume it the pressure under the bedrock will continue to build, the gas will make it's way into every crack and crevice it can find. I don't like being a defeatist however we need to look at this w/out rose-colored glasses in order to stay safe.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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Seems this is a common occurance...
"-- A toxic cloud that formed after 300 gallons of hydrochloric acid leaked at a southeast Texas storage facility sent nine people to hospitals and forced thousands of residents indoors, an emergency management official said Thursday."

[link to www.cnn.com]

I could find no report why the rupture happened.
Made me think of not making assumptions.
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Seems this is a common occurance...
"-- A toxic cloud that formed after 300 gallons of hydrochloric acid leaked at a southeast Texas storage facility sent nine people to hospitals and forced thousands of residents indoors, an emergency management official said Thursday."

[link to www.cnn.com]

I could find no report why the rupture happened.
Made me think of not making assumptions.
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Nice find AC, thank you.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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this thread seems to be dying off
interesting to see who's left
role call?...lol

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Present
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Still here.
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I'm still here too but I signed up now.
I think my old number was 1596? or 94? Been here since the start of this thread anyhoo! Glad to see it still going!
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This just in...

It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time.

[link to enenews.com]
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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This just in...

It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time.

[link to enenews.com]
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This does not sound good at all!!!
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This just in...

It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time.

[link to enenews.com]
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That's not good.
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This just in...

It has been reported to us that there was a sharp tremor recorded by USGS monitors at approximately 9:06 last night. The tremor was large enough that the body wave phases could easily be identified. The preliminary location was just SE of Oxy #3 cavern at a depth of 500m. There is no additional information specific to this seismic activity at this time.

[link to enenews.com]
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That's not good.
 Quoting: wishiwas

Neither are the helicorder readings Marsute posted the link for above ^^^

A lot of action today, Anyone know if drilling was scheduled for today?

Diggin the avatar :)

Last Edited by siniXster on 10/25/2012 08:56 PM
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide

"Given enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result." - Tien T'ai

"All my life, my heart has yearned for a thing I cannot name." - Andre Breton

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink" - Charles Bukowski

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain - Exerpt Psalm 127:1

Pain and heartbreak are but illusions that we allow our mind to create out of fear, live in love and from your heart and you'll realize that all is as it should be. The lessons we learn from loss are meant to be taken with wisdom and happiness not sadness and remorse. New strength, new love, new life, new wisdom and lessons that propel us forward on our journey back to unity, universal consciousness and true unconditional love. Wow, what an incredibly joyous ride when we see it for what it truly is!- Sin
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BP caps dome believed to be source of oil sheen

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BP caps dome believed to be source of oil sheen

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"NEW ORLEANS (AP) — BP says it has capped and plugged an abandoned piece of equipment that is believed to be the source of a sheen spotted near the site of the 2010 oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.


The London-based oil giant said Thursday that it successfully placed a 750-pound cap over an 86-ton steel container that the company had deployed in a failed effort to contain the spill. BP also inserted plugs on the top and sides of the container.

BP and the Coast Guard both say no oil has been seen leaking out of the container since it was capped and plugged.

The sheen appeared on the surface of the Gulf in September. BP plans to monitor the sheen by satellite for several more days."


They capped and plugged a container that had previously failed to contain the spill...and now they think it was going to work?? Why didn't they do that to begin with?

I'm not believing their story.
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Neither are the helicorder readings Marsute posted the link for above ^^^

A lot of action today, Anyone know if drilling was scheduled for today?

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I saw them. But most of the movement is only during business hours, so I would attribute it to drilling, heavy machinery, etc. Still, its disconcerting.

Thanks! Found this site when the sinkhole thread was started. Had to stay hf

You guys are nuts. And I agree with most of it! rockon
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They just called up ALL the guard

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