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I think the drought aggravated the situation in that it dropped the level of water in the aquifers which seems like it would create a vacuum drawing in gases and oil products and perhaps this is why we are seeing the gas and other pollutants in the water system. Perhaps the resent hurricane was a blessing in disguise. sk
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Holy crow! I wish I could stay on this thread 24/7 to keep up! Looks like it has been derailed several times.
I wish they would pin it! It saves time and there is so much to read and sort through now!
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Don't pin the thread, it will only attract every crack pot on GLP to post meaningless drivel and further detract from the research being done. Please don't do it anyone. sk
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I wish they would pin it! It saves time and there is so much to read and sort through now!
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Why not just make it a bookmark on your browser?
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Holy crow! I wish I could stay on this thread 24/7 to keep up! Looks like it has been derailed several times.
I wish they would pin it! It saves time and there is so much to read and sort through now!
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Don't pin the thread, it will only attract every crack pot on GLP to post meaningless drivel and further detract from the research being done. Please don't do it anyone. sk
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OK, you have point.
So now they will pin it I suppose!
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I think the drought aggravated the situation in that it dropped the level of water in the aquifers which seems like it would create a vacuum drawing in gases and oil products and perhaps this is why we are seeing the gas and other pollutants in the water system. Perhaps the resent hurricane was a blessing in disguise. sk
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I think you are right.
I was also thinking of the levees they blew in the spring on 2011, to lower the water levels down river and prevent flooding. It could be another reason the river was so low so far south this year. You can bet they didn't rebuild those levees!
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What is a dawg again? Was it a reference to a cartoon dog policeman or LEO?
Or is it military? Or government?
I know someone mentioned way back something about the Dallas Cowboys' uniforms.....but I can't remember how that related to the position of the OP.
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What is a dawg again? Was it a reference to a cartoon dog policeman or LEO?
Or is it military? Or government?
I know someone mentioned way back something about the Dallas Cowboys' uniforms.....but I can't remember how that related to the position of the OP.
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To be honest that is something I don't want to find out, cause if we do so do those that want this stopped.
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2nd paragraph, page 28 of PDF

Chapter 8, page 36

unbelievable!!

[link to www.evs.anl.gov]
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Great work!

Read this PDF everyone......a sample:

8. Risks from Disposal of NORM Waste in Salt Caverns
Tomasko et al. (1997) provide a detailed description of the assumptions and calculations
used to estimate the human health risk of NOW disposed of in salt caverns. To the extent
possible, the risk estimates in this report for disposing of NORM waste in salt caverns follow the
same set of assumptions and calculations. NORM waste still has similar chemical properties to
NOW, but also has radioactive properties that may increase the risk. The risk calculations for
NOW are not repeated in detail here; NORM risk calculations are described.
8.1 Contaminants of Potential Concern
Contaminants of potential concern at a site are those that may be hazardous to human
health and/or the environment under current or future site conditions. Identifying the
contaminants of potential concern helps focus the risk assessment on those contaminants that may
be of potential significance to human health. This study does not address potential ecological
risks. However, they are likely to be low, because under most release scenarios, cavern fluids are
released to groundwater not surface water.
As the risk assessment is conducted, it may be determined that the risks associated with
some potential contaminants are insignificant and can be dropped from further consideration. For
example, the susceptibility of some potential contaminants to transport through environmental
media may be insufficient to allow them to come in contact with humans. In such cases, the
contaminant need not be considered further in the risk assessment.
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Guys, look at the RANDom funded studies!!

Article dated Dec 1, 2010
A three-unit, 49-MW Dresser-Rand compressor train pressurizes the 19 million-cubic-foot salt cavern to 1,100 psi and then withdraws the air to power a 110-MW Dresser-Rand gas-fired expander train
[link to www.powermag.com]


Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES) Trains
[link to www.dresser-rand.com]

[link to www.dresser-rand.com]



SMART GRID DEMO
Advanced CAES Demonstration 150MW Plant Using an Existing Salt Cavern
[link to www.dcbureau.org]


Page 13:
[link to energystorageandpower.com]

Page 14:
CAES Air Storage Reservoir:
McIntosh Alabama Salt Cavern


n CAES, electricity is used to force air under pressure into a cavern. To extract it, operators heat the compressed air with natural gas, and then push it through turbines to generate electricity. Like pumped hydroelectricity, this method is limited by geography.
[link to www.renewableenergyfocus.com]


Page 7:
[link to www.ercot.com]


Page 14 -42:
[link to www.adams.edu]



They are pressurizing the entire salt cavern systems!
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The pressurization is not man-made. But it was caused....see synopsis.
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East Texas again. Check my AC number and previous posts. That should say enough. Also.....get ready for a wall of text. We are going to have a "textual relationship", if you will.

For the record, I don't think JASTO is a shill, but I don't think he has inside info either, I was referring to the previous post calling themselves "East Texas". That was not "me". Again, check the AC numbers. But the other "East Texas" said something about Jaws being right about the land sinking, and THAT is, in fact, true. We'll cover that below.

Rather than give a synopsis of 'Day One' up to now, that doesn't really help since we're going over old data. What we're going to talk about is basically where we are NOW, what the real issues are, and where we're going.

So here goes.

The sinkhole is getting bigger, which we know. Original OP and the various Dawgs have confirmed this BEFORE offical confirmation came. We can all agree on this point.

Not sure about how this affects the Butane-filled salt dome but it's obvious the sinkhole is getting bigger and eventually WILL. There are other issues with what may or may not be in that hole, we'll come back to that later.

The problem right now is not that the sinkhole is getting bigger, and oddly enough, NOT that it will probably compromise the Butane dome. There is a vortex (albeit slow at this point) that can only be caused by a constant flow of water into - and OUT OF - the sinkhole.

Here is the REAL PROBLEM. Where is that water coming from, and where is it going?

The BP Macondo incident is directly related. That pressure simply doesn't go away. As the pressures internally were disturbed and high rates, the substructures of the ground were also disturbed. As the high-pressure gas (from decaying methane hydrates) seeks a path of least resistance, water from the seabed is forced into these 'gas channels' where it can find the least resistance.

How does water get into 'high pressure gas pockets'? Not all of the gas reservoir is a constant pressure and size. A smaller cavern, off the main cavern, with a size-restricted flow into/out of that cavern can actually be at a LOWER PRESSURE than the main cavity. Think of this in the same way you would use a pressure regulator on a BBQ gas grille. Restrict the flow on the high side, and control at lower pressure on the low side.

In this way, water pressure from the compromised sea floor gets into these gas pockets where there is lower pressure for the water to enter the gas channels.

ALL of these gas structures, to one extent or another, are connected.

So to simplify (as I have understood it), the sinkhole/vortex was created by saltwater (conveniently disguised as BRINE) entering a pocket of gas from a source far, far away. And it takes time, like I don't know, two years or so since the BP incident?

So we know where the water is coming from. What we DON'T know is where the salt water is going, although the damaged water aquifers suggests that the water and gas pressure is moving northward/northeast, towards the Mississipi river, which makes sense since that entire river system is basically an ancient fault zone. Meaning there are compromised soil areas all through that area.

If the Butane dome is ruptured, it very well could be a catastrophic explosive event, certainly for the local area within a radius of 35 miles or so. The previous posts saying that 'he could never go home' is true. You pretty much better write off that area ever being habitable again.

The WORSE part of this is that if there is an abrubt explosive event, this will do two things: create enormous back-pressure throughout the rift to (1) the still-damaged BP Macondo seafloor, and (2) the Mississippi river "New Madrid" fault system.

You're seeing the big picture now.

This is where the "other East Texas" got some things right in regards to FEMA preps, etc. but I don't know what that poster was talking about in regards to Chinese troops and all that crap. But it's obvious that FEMA has been preparing for SOMETHING.

So this is what's happened by educated conjecture, and what the fears are of what's coming. But there are other concerns. Apparently there is some truth to part of the "Bezerk" thread regarding biomatter used to control the oil. This is a major concern because apparently traces of biomatter have been detected at the sinkhole site, which means that no one is sure if this was expected or not. Add to this the belief that there are, in fact, both nuclear waste AND possible deadly munitions dumps in not only this dome, but others in that area. And if the Butane dome ruptures, expect ALL of the domes in that area to rupture.

In other words, this is literally uncharted doom territory on a global scale.

It's hard not to hear when the Dawgs are barking.

Stay safe.
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Bumping so easier to find.
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Here it is again.
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East Texas again. Check my AC number and previous posts. That should say enough. Also.....get ready for a wall of text. We are going to have a "textual relationship", if you will.

For the record, I don't think JASTO is a shill, but I don't think he has inside info either, I was referring to the previous post calling themselves "East Texas". That was not "me". Again, check the AC numbers. But the other "East Texas" said something about Jaws being right about the land sinking, and THAT is, in fact, true. We'll cover that below.

Rather than give a synopsis of 'Day One' up to now, that doesn't really help since we're going over old data. What we're going to talk about is basically where we are NOW, what the real issues are, and where we're going.

So here goes.

The sinkhole is getting bigger, which we know. Original OP and the various Dawgs have confirmed this BEFORE offical confirmation came. We can all agree on this point.

Not sure about how this affects the Butane-filled salt dome but it's obvious the sinkhole is getting bigger and eventually WILL. There are other issues with what may or may not be in that hole, we'll come back to that later.

The problem right now is not that the sinkhole is getting bigger, and oddly enough, NOT that it will probably compromise the Butane dome. There is a vortex (albeit slow at this point) that can only be caused by a constant flow of water into - and OUT OF - the sinkhole.

Here is the REAL PROBLEM. Where is that water coming from, and where is it going?

The BP Macondo incident is directly related. That pressure simply doesn't go away. As the pressures internally were disturbed and high rates, the substructures of the ground were also disturbed. As the high-pressure gas (from decaying methane hydrates) seeks a path of least resistance, water from the seabed is forced into these 'gas channels' where it can find the least resistance.

How does water get into 'high pressure gas pockets'? Not all of the gas reservoir is a constant pressure and size. A smaller cavern, off the main cavern, with a size-restricted flow into/out of that cavern can actually be at a LOWER PRESSURE than the main cavity. Think of this in the same way you would use a pressure regulator on a BBQ gas grille. Restrict the flow on the high side, and control at lower pressure on the low side.

In this way, water pressure from the compromised sea floor gets into these gas pockets where there is lower pressure for the water to enter the gas channels.

ALL of these gas structures, to one extent or another, are connected.

So to simplify (as I have understood it), the sinkhole/vortex was created by saltwater (conveniently disguised as BRINE) entering a pocket of gas from a source far, far away. And it takes time, like I don't know, two years or so since the BP incident?

So we know where the water is coming from. What we DON'T know is where the salt water is going, although the damaged water aquifers suggests that the water and gas pressure is moving northward/northeast, towards the Mississipi river, which makes sense since that entire river system is basically an ancient fault zone. Meaning there are compromised soil areas all through that area.

If the Butane dome is ruptured, it very well could be a catastrophic explosive event, certainly for the local area within a radius of 35 miles or so. The previous posts saying that 'he could never go home' is true. You pretty much better write off that area ever being habitable again.

The WORSE part of this is that if there is an abrubt explosive event, this will do two things: create enormous back-pressure throughout the rift to (1) the still-damaged BP Macondo seafloor, and (2) the Mississippi river "New Madrid" fault system.

You're seeing the big picture now.

This is where the "other East Texas" got some things right in regards to FEMA preps, etc. but I don't know what that poster was talking about in regards to Chinese troops and all that crap. But it's obvious that FEMA has been preparing for SOMETHING.

So this is what's happened by educated conjecture, and what the fears are of what's coming. But there are other concerns. Apparently there is some truth to part of the "Bezerk" thread regarding biomatter used to control the oil. This is a major concern because apparently traces of biomatter have been detected at the sinkhole site, which means that no one is sure if this was expected or not. Add to this the belief that there are, in fact, both nuclear waste AND possible deadly munitions dumps in not only this dome, but others in that area. And if the Butane dome ruptures, expect ALL of the domes in that area to rupture.

In other words, this is literally uncharted doom territory on a global scale.

It's hard not to hear when the Dawgs are barking.

Stay safe.
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Bumping so easier to find.
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Here it is again.
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Correct, but pressurizing certain other areas will change the path of least resistance (in theory).
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Just linking this here on a hunch for possible connection.

Thread: strange noises in texas
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Question...the area is so near sea level, has there been and tidal effect on the water in the sinkhole?
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Question...the area is so near sea level, has there been and tidal effect on the water in the sinkhole?
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A tidal effect in the tremors was mentioned a while ago now, I'll look for the link.

Here it is.

[link to theadvocate.com]

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Those who ignore my synopsis, do so at their own risk, but they'll be okay.

But I wouldn't give that synopsis any credibility. I'm shilling myself, for myself.

Trust me......don't trust me. Trust me.

Geez.......
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In case some people missed this.
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Those who ignore my synopsis, do so at their own risk, but they'll be okay.

But I wouldn't give that synopsis any credibility. I'm shilling myself, for myself.

Trust me......don't trust me. Trust me.

Geez.......
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In case some people missed this.
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He was being sarcastic then I think. If you look above that post, someone is shilling.

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Another thread: Thread: Sinkhole update................ “Heed evacuation orders”

"...The parish's director of homeland security and emergency preparedness, John Boudreaux..." post to news link here:
Thread: Sinkhole update................ “Heed evacuation orders” (Page 10)

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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire, I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate to say that for destruction ice is also great and would suffice.


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THIS IS GOING TO BE SIMPLE.

If they hadn't let the Dawgs out they'll break out.

Get out of my house. CUZZ that is what you'd best do. Now.
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GET THE FUCK OUT.

Run Dawgs run
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GET THE FUCK OUT.

Run Dawgs run
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THIS IS GOING TO BE SIMPLE.

If they hadn't let the Dawgs out they'll break out.

Get out of my house. CUZZ that is what you'd best do. Now.
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Hope everyone in the area gets the chance to leave.
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THIS IS GOING TO BE SIMPLE.

If they hadn't let the Dawgs out they'll break out.

Get out of my house. CUZZ that is what you'd best do. Now.
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Hope everyone in the area gets the chance to leave.
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+1
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Excellent video from a poster named TRIXER on another thread. VERY CURRENT INFO, with spooky info censorship story to boot.......

<iframe width="640" height="360" src=" [link to www.youtube.com] frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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GET THE FUCK OUT.

Run Dawgs run
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What is this all about? Serious change in tone.
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bump
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GET THE FUCK OUT.

Run Dawgs run
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who are dawgs?
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GET THE FUCK OUT.

Run Dawgs run
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What is going on? are the dawgs ok???? is the boom coming????
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bump
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Need confirmation somebody bark
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I thought this area is having serious rain. Inches of rain, even if it doesn't fall directly it will flow down towards the ocean. I just checked the weather channel and it say flooding warnings.

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